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« Reply #1 on: October 30, 2009, 11:45:23 AM » |
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I cant understand why the American people cant see the hand writing on the wall and see what we are doing to the future of our kids and Grandkids. They will never have a great life because they will be paying for our life style
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Momz
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« Reply #2 on: October 30, 2009, 11:54:43 AM » |
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The problem is not lack of inovation in medicine.
The problem is that Health Care Insurance is far too expensive or in my case unresponsive and unwilling to pay for the proceedures that are "covered" under the contract. They don't get their paper work right and bill us several times when they should be "paying for treatmeant" to the Hospital and Treatment Center.
I had a supposed "out patient" proceedure last week. There were complications and my doctor said that I needed to stay at least overnight for monitoring and observation. I got a bill from the Hospital yesterday in excess of $20,000. Why? The insurance company said that they only authorized the "out patient" proceedure and refused to pay any portion of the surgery and/or hospital stay.
It seems that I have another fight on my hands trying to straighten out this idiocy. Why should I have to pay insurance that does not cover the proceedures that are supposed to be covered?
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Puffs Daddy
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« Reply #3 on: October 30, 2009, 12:14:08 PM » |
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The problem is not lack of inovation in medicine.
The problem is that Health Care Insurance is far too expensive or in my case unresponsive and unwilling to pay for the proceedures that are "covered" under the contract. They don't get their paper work right and bill bill us several times when they should be "paying for treatmeant" to the Hospital and Treatment Center.
I had a supposed "out patient" proceedure last week. There were complications and my doctor said that I needed to stay at least overnight for monitoring and observation. I got a bill from the Hospital yesterday in excess of $20,000. Why? The insurance company said that they only authorized the "out patient" proceedure and refused to pay any portion of the surgery and/or hospital stay.
It seems that I have another fight on my hands trying to straighten out this idiocy. Why should I have to pay insurance that does not cover the proceedures that are supposed to be covered?
Very common story, Momz. All part of the American health insurance system that is so roundly defended by some. |
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« Reply #4 on: October 30, 2009, 12:31:54 PM » |
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I am suprised ABC News showed that. Maybe the tide is turning.
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3fan4life
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« Reply #5 on: October 30, 2009, 02:09:12 PM » |
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The problem is not lack of inovation in medicine.
The problem is that Health Care Insurance is far too expensive or in my case unresponsive and unwilling to pay for the proceedures that are "covered" under the contract. They don't get their paper work right and bill us several times when they should be "paying for treatmeant" to the Hospital and Treatment Center.
I had a supposed "out patient" proceedure last week. There were complications and my doctor said that I needed to stay at least overnight for monitoring and observation. I got a bill from the Hospital yesterday in excess of $20,000. Why? The insurance company said that they only authorized the "out patient" proceedure and refused to pay any portion of the surgery and/or hospital stay.
It seems that I have another fight on my hands trying to straighten out this idiocy. Why should I have to pay insurance that does not cover the proceedures that are supposed to be covered?
I totally agree that the cost of both health insurance and medical care are out of control. HOWEVER, the Government has done ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to PROVE that they are capable of doing any better. The fact is that if the Government does get into the business of running healthcare, chances are that they will only make the problem WORSE. Medicare and Medicaid both have serious problems with how the programs are administered (cost, fraud etc). What makes the Government think that it can do any better at running a much larger scale program? |
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« Reply #6 on: October 30, 2009, 03:58:50 PM » |
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because the left told us so !
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Momz
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« Reply #7 on: October 30, 2009, 04:09:23 PM » |
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But what happens if we allow Insurance companies to run rampant?
Who do they answer to? Certainly not the "insured" consumer. Yeah our state has an insurance commissioner but I was told to just resubmit the bills to the insurer.
In the mean time the bills will go to collection agencies. And that brings on a whole new Hell into the process.
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« Reply #8 on: October 30, 2009, 05:20:13 PM » |
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But what happens if we allow Insurance companies to run rampant?
Who do they answer to? Certainly not the "insured" consumer. Yeah our state has an insurance commissioner but I was told to just resubmit the bills to the insurer.
In the mean time the bills will go to collection agencies. And that brings on a whole new Hell into the process.
They would answer to COMPETITION ! Supply and demand works when the government stays the hell out of it! Government involvement is what led us to these problems in the first place. They would treat you right if you could get better treatment else where because they want to keep your business. But if they only have a few to compete against and they can keep more competition from moving in they will take advantage of the profits. If the government takes away the volume that brings them income and runs some of the competition out of business then the only ones left will be the ones with the best lobbyist because they can afford them...Then WHO will be accountable,who will answer to the consumer ? Do you believe the government will ? If you believe that you are not paying attention to the gov't track record. |
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« Reply #9 on: October 30, 2009, 05:27:19 PM » |
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I cant understand why the American people cant see the hand writing on the wall and see what we are doing to the future of our kids and Grandkids. They will never have a great life because they will be paying for our life style
Maybe they see things that you are not seeing. |
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« Reply #10 on: October 30, 2009, 05:37:35 PM » |
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I cant understand why the American people cant see the hand writing on the wall and see what we are doing to the future of our kids and Grandkids. They will never have a great life because they will be paying for our life style
Maybe they see things that you are not seeing. Not going to enlighten us as to what there is to see that is going unnoticed? |
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« Reply #11 on: October 31, 2009, 03:16:45 AM » |
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What I don’t understand is why do so many in the medical profession want the government to take over health care?
Go to any hospital today, ask a nurse, or doctor (actually doctor’s wont talk about politics at all in the office) if they want government health care and their answers will almost always be yes!!
Several years ago I was working at a catholic hospital and I was amazed at all the “Gore/Lieberman” bumper stickers I saw on desks! I asked one nurse that was quite political about her views, why the push for government health care and she told me that “I wouldn’t understand ‘cause I don’t care for people like she does….” Of course I had to reply with “this is a catholic hospital, doesn’t Gore/Lieberman support abortions and gay marriage?”
She didn’t get it……
And for those of you who don’t get it, all hospitals would be required to follow government guidelines to receive the government payments for services.
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« Reply #12 on: October 31, 2009, 04:13:05 AM » |
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The problem is not lack of inovation in medicine.
The problem is that Health Care Insurance is far too expensive or in my case unresponsive and unwilling to pay for the proceedures that are "covered" under the contract. They don't get their paper work right and bill us several times when they should be "paying for treatmeant" to the Hospital and Treatment Center.
I had a supposed "out patient" proceedure last week. There were complications and my doctor said that I needed to stay at least overnight for monitoring and observation. I got a bill from the Hospital yesterday in excess of $20,000. Why? The insurance company said that they only authorized the "out patient" proceedure and refused to pay any portion of the surgery and/or hospital stay.
It seems that I have another fight on my hands trying to straighten out this idiocy. Why should I have to pay insurance that does not cover the proceedures that are supposed to be covered?
Hey Momz, you do know that besides the cost being 9 times what was projected, Medicare turns down procedures also. What makes you think the govt will do different than they already do? |
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« Reply #13 on: October 31, 2009, 04:34:57 AM » |
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What I don’t understand is why do so many in the medical profession want the government to take over health care?
Go to any hospital today, ask a nurse, or doctor (actually doctor’s wont talk about politics at all in the office) if they want government health care and their answers will almost always be yes!!
SEIU Deep in Barry's pockets My sister in law is a nurse. She doesn't know a damn thing about this except that the union told them this is good, so it must be.  |
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Puffs Daddy
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« Reply #14 on: October 31, 2009, 06:05:53 AM » |
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I totally agree that the cost of both health insurance and medical care are out of control.
HOWEVER, the Government has done ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to PROVE that they are capable of doing any better.
The fact is that if the Government does get into the business of running healthcare, chances are that they will only make the problem WORSE.
Medicare and Medicaid both have serious problems with how the programs are administered (cost, fraud etc).
What makes the Government think that it can do any better at running a much larger scale program?
Here's a hint. There is no insurance program in the history of the world that does not experience "fraud." Here's another hint. Medicare is the largest insurance program in this country. It's administrative costs run between 3% and 5% of benefits paid. The average private insurance plan has administrative costs running between 17% and 22%. |
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bigvalkriefan
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« Reply #15 on: October 31, 2009, 08:31:31 PM » |
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I cant understand why the American people cant see the hand writing on the wall and see what we are doing to the future of our kids and Grandkids. They will never have a great life because they will be paying for our life style
Maybe they see things that you are not seeing. And maybe they're a bunch of socialist pigs who want to take all our rights away. But then again I'm not "enlightened" like they are. Its just another way to bankrupt our country so we can join the "global" community. What a bunch of crap. |
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« Reply #16 on: November 01, 2009, 03:32:35 AM » |
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The government has always been into "feel good" legislation. They don't have the answers.
For instance if the health bill passes, will the number of doctors magically increase to treat all those new patients that come into the system?
How about the 400 billion in Medicare cuts that will be used to "pay" for the increased health benefits. Obama says that we seniors won't see our benefits cut. However, the payments to the doctors will be decreased and many doctors will then refuse to treat Medicare patients. However, in the long run, that won't work because of the "Graying" of America.
Yeah, I get Medicare benefits so I have mixed opinions about this whole mess.
In an ideal world private industry would meet to work out all the problems that we have in our health system now so that the government wouldn't stick their nose in it to make things worse.
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