Abolish ICE

[G-Man]

The Left's new silliness.

Heard it from a Senator, several Representatives and candidates, a Mayor, and an actor.

Heaven Help Us

[Jess from VA]

Abolish stupidity. 


(that's stupid)


 

[Rams]

Just Lefties looking for headlines.......   

Rams

[Oss]

I only put one cube in the glass with the scotch

That kinda seems extreme to me

Where will I get my ice   

[old2soon]

The Left's new silliness.

Heard it from a Senator, several Representatives and candidates, a Mayor, and an actor.

Heaven Help Us

             Shortly AFTER "they" realized there Will be a vacancy on The Supreme Court!   Who iz I to question "their" timing?   RIDE SAFE.

[Serk]

(No, this isn't a real tweet, it's satire, but it's kinda scary that I have to say that considering the person it's satirizing isn't that far off.)

[DirtyDan]

If undocumented people are ok

What else is ok ?

Population will always expand at a greater rate that available resources (land)

Dan

[G-Man]

We're screwed! ! ! ! ! !

The leading candidate in Mexico (at 52% in a 3 way run I believe) is an hard core Leftist.  Believes the migrant worker has the right to seek a better life in America.  Says he will stop Mexico's military from fighting the drug wars, the cartels, the coyotes, etc. and remove the military from the border altogether.

Very sad state of affairs.

[old2soon]

We're screwed! ! ! ! ! !

The leading candidate in Mexico (at 52% in a 3 way run I believe) is an hard core Leftist.  Believes the migrant worker has the right to seek a better life in America.  Says he will stop Mexico's military from fighting the drug wars, the cartels, the coyotes, etc. and remove the military from the border altogether.

Very sad state of affairs.

                Build the effin wall NOW!    RIDE SAFE.

[MP]

We're screwed! ! ! ! ! !

The leading candidate in Mexico (at 52% in a 3 way run I believe) is an hard core Leftist.  Believes the migrant worker has the right to seek a better life in America.  Says he will stop Mexico's military from fighting the drug wars, the cartels, the coyotes, etc. and remove the military from the border altogether.

Very sad state of affairs.

Build the wall.
Except Dems will stop it.
Amazing how far left they've gone the last few years.

Free everything, almost.
Men in women's bathrooms.
Everything is racist.
Repubs are nazis.
Open borders. No control whatsoever. If you can make it to the border, you get citizenship.
Too many more to count.
What a platform to run on!

[RP#62]

We're screwed! ! ! ! ! !

The leading candidate in Mexico (at 52% in a 3 way run I believe) is an hard core Leftist.  Believes the migrant worker has the right to seek a better life in America.  Says he will stop Mexico's military from fighting the drug wars, the cartels, the coyotes, etc. and remove the military from the border altogether.

Very sad state of affairs.

Build the wall.
Except Dems will stop it.
Amazing how far left they've gone the last few years.

Free everything, almost.
Men in women's bathrooms.
Everything is racist.
Repubs are nazis.
Open borders. No control whatsoever. If you can make it to the border, you get citizenship.
Too many more to count.
What a platform to run on!

Don't forget higher taxes.  All that free stuff isn't going to pay for itself.

-RP

[Serk]

This discussion just helped crystallize in my mind the fundamental difference between the modern left and the right/classically liberals.

To the left, everything should be free.
To the right, everyone should be free.

(And yes, before someone points it out, when I say "everyone" I'm referring to non-criminals obviously.)

[Alpha Dog]

We're screwed! ! ! ! ! !

The leading candidate in Mexico (at 52% in a 3 way run I believe) is an hard core Leftist.  Believes the migrant worker has the right to seek a better life in America.  Says he will stop Mexico's military from fighting the drug wars, the cartels, the coyotes, etc. and remove the military from the border altogether.

Very sad state of affairs.

Then this nutcase will become a de facto head of state at some time, maybe sooner than later.  The gangs and cartels will become the gov't, and regions will have war lords.  I think he is just saying this to win votes and would not lead in this manner ( except sending illegals towards us in droves ).  Heard something this morning by Tony Katz on WIBC ( Indy ) while I was in Anderson, IN.  He stated 132 politicians have already been killed in their election process so far.  

[Rams]

Ya know, I'm pretty sure Mexico doesn't want to really piss off it's neighbor to the north.   Might not work out well for them.   

Rams

[¿spoom]

We're screwed! ! ! ! ! !

The leading candidate in Mexico (at 52% in a 3 way run I believe) is an hard core Leftist.  Believes the migrant worker has the right to seek a better life in America.  Says he will stop Mexico's military from fighting the drug wars, the cartels, the coyotes, etc. and remove the military from the border altogether.

Very sad state of affairs.

Cool, that should greatly increase votes for the wall and related topics 

[..]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5901579/Democratic-senator-supported-border-crackdown-says-abolish-ICE.html

[..]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5902917/ICEs-time-come-gone-New-York-City-Mayor-Bill-Blasio-calls-abolition.html

[Oss]

Truly I would not piss on DeBlasio if he were on fire

He is a boil on the ass of humanity, he should be in San Francisco

Worst mayor in the history of NYC IMHO

[Rams]

Truly I would not piss on DeBlasio if he were on fire

He is a boil on the ass of humanity, he should be in San Francisco

Worst mayor in the history of NYC IMHO

Come on Oss, don't hold back.   Tell us how you really feel!   

Rams

[The emperor has no clothes]

Truly I would not piss on DeBlasio if he were on fire

He is a boil on the ass of humanity, he should be in San Francisco

Worst mayor in the history of NYC IMHO

Worse than Dinkins ?

[Serk]

Truly I would not piss on DeBlasio if he were on fire

He is a boil on the ass of humanity, he should be in San Francisco

Worst mayor in the history of NYC IMHO

Worse than Dinkins ?

De Blasio (AKA Warren Wilhelm Jr) is a full blown commie, not even a "democratic socialist"... Went down to Nicaragua and supported the extreme commie Sandiniatas, and honeymoon'ed in commie Cuba...

The dude's a full blown whack job commie.

[The emperor has no clothes]

Truly I would not piss on DeBlasio if he were on fire

He is a boil on the ass of humanity, he should be in San Francisco

Worst mayor in the history of NYC IMHO

Worse than Dinkins ?

De Blasio (AKA Warren Wilhelm Jr) is a full blown commie, not even a "democratic socialist"... Went down to Nicaragua and supported the extreme commie Sandiniatas, and honeymoon'ed in commie Cuba...

The dude's a full blown whack job commie.

yeah, I remember you thinking I was a commie too. So.......

[Serk]

Truly I would not piss on DeBlasio if he were on fire

He is a boil on the ass of humanity, he should be in San Francisco

Worst mayor in the history of NYC IMHO

Worse than Dinkins ?

De Blasio (AKA Warren Wilhelm Jr) is a full blown commie, not even a "democratic socialist"... Went down to Nicaragua and supported the extreme commie Sandiniatas, and honeymoon'ed in commie Cuba...

The dude's a full blown whack job commie.

yeah, I remember you thinking I was a commie too. So.......

"The mayor of the world’s financial center, the hub of American and global capitalism, thinks that the obstacle to progress is private property"

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2017/09/13/bill-de-blasios-socialist-dream-david-boaz-column/659138001/

This guy is to the left of even extremists like Sanders or Hillary... He's WAAAAAAY out there.

So in addition to complaining about a legal system organized around the concept of private property, de Blasio wants the government to "determine every single plot of land, how development would proceed."

https://www.weeklystandard.com/mark-hemingway/bill-de-blasio-sure-sounds-like-a-communist

[Savago]

ICE stands for Immigration and Customs Enforcement. Any sovereign nation needs to *enforce* immigration and control their borders, it is pretty simple, we all *need* this.

Any loony telling to abolish ICE is either misinformed or are just looking for free press. That means we are talking about a marginal small percentage of the people that don't support Trump (moderate and left-ish population).

Saying that all Dems support such lunacy is incorrect and plain stupid. Would be the same to say that all Republicans like to walk in the streets with tiki torchs and share a love for nazi flags.

Again, incorrect and a dumb over-generalization.

That being said, what we don't need and ICE is doing under the current administration:
a) Put babies in jail alone (or how the administration prefers 'tender age shelters'). I guess 'Baby jails' or 'Baby internment camps' may sound harsh and hurt people's feelings...
b) Deny access of press and representatives to those facilities.
c) Try to deport *legal* immigrants (yes, it is happening, just search for it).
d) Lack of due process.

*How* you enforce the law tells a lot about yourself (and the nation).

[DirtyDan]

Manzanar ? (Picture)

Dan

[Gavin_Sons]

ICE stands for Immigration and Customs Enforcement. Any sovereign nation needs to *enforce* immigration and control their borders, it is pretty simple, we all *need* this.

Any loony telling to abolish ICE is either misinformed or are just looking for free press. That means we are talking about a marginal small percentage of the people that don't support Trump (moderate and left-ish population).

Saying that all Dems support such lunacy is incorrect and plain stupid. Would be the same to say that all Republicans like to walk in the streets with tiki torchs and share a love for nazi flags.

Again, incorrect and a dumb over-generalization.

That being said, what we don't need and ICE is doing under the current administration:
a) Put babies in jail alone (or how the administration prefers 'tender age shelters'). I guess 'Baby jails' or 'Baby internment camps' may sound harsh and hurt people's feelings...
b) Deny access of press and representatives to those facilities.
c) Try to deport *legal* immigrants (yes, it is happening, just search for it).
d) Lack of due process.

*How* you enforce the law tells a lot about yourself (and the nation).

So you think ICE is doing well but since Trump is president you oppose most of what they are doing? Got it!

[Bighead]

That being said, what we don't need and ICE is doing under the current administration:
a) Put babies in jail alone (or how the administration prefers 'tender age shelters'). I guess 'Baby jails' or 'Baby internment camps' may sound harsh and hurt people's feelings...
b) Deny access of press and representatives to those facilities.
c) Try to deport *legal* immigrants (yes, it is happening, just search for it).
d) Lack of due process.

*How* you enforce the law tells a lot about yourself (and the nation).

I agreed with everthing you said until here....This is nothing new and it was being done by the past admin also,the difference is it has hit the front page to try and keep a crap storm stirred up about this admin. No one on the Dem side seemed to care until now. Kinda sad dont you think?

[The emperor has no clothes]

“Previous administrations used family detention facilities, allowing the whole family to stay together while awaiting their deportation case in immigration court, or alternatives to detention, which required families to be tracked but released from custody to await their court date,” Brown and her co-author, Tim O’Shea, wrote in an explainer piece for the Bipartisan Policy Center’s website. “Some children may have been separated from the adults they entered with, in cases where the family relationship could not be established, child trafficking was suspected, or there were not sufficient family detention facilities available. … However, the zero-tolerance policy is the first time that a policy resulting in separation is being applied across the board.”

Jeh Johnson, DHS secretary under the Obama administration, told NPR earlier this month that he couldn’t say that family separations “never happened” during his tenure. “There may have been some exigent situation, some emergency. There may have been some doubt about whether the adult accompanying the child was in fact the parent of the child. I can’t say it never happened but not as a matter of policy or practice. It’s not something that I could ask our Border Patrol or our immigration enforcement personnel to do,” Johnson said.




The differences are as someone would say HUGE. 

[f6john]

“Previous administrations used family detention facilities, allowing the whole family to stay together while awaiting their deportation case in immigration court, or alternatives to detention, which required families to be tracked but released from custody to await their court date,” Brown and her co-author, Tim O’Shea, wrote in an explainer piece for the Bipartisan Policy Center’s website. “Some children may have been separated from the adults they entered with, in cases where the family relationship could not be established, child trafficking was suspected, or there were not sufficient family detention facilities available. … However, the zero-tolerance policy is the first time that a policy resulting in separation is being applied across the board.”

Jeh Johnson, DHS secretary under the Obama administration, told NPR earlier this month that he couldn’t say that family separations “never happened” during his tenure. “There may have been some exigent situation, some emergency. There may have been some doubt about whether the adult accompanying the child was in fact the parent of the child. I can’t say it never happened but not as a matter of policy or practice. It’s not something that I could ask our Border Patrol or our immigration enforcement personnel to do,” Johnson said.




The differences are as someone would say HUGE. 

Makes a good argument for your point of view but it misses the point of the problem. The problem is not separating families, it’s illegal immigration. Those same “families” would not be separated by our government if they attempted to enter the country through the proper channels.

If I were the parent of a child and was in fear for the safety and well being of my child and thought the only way to ensure their future was to become a criminal by crossing a border illegally I would not be concerned about the government taking my child and feeding them, housing them, and providing for their security while they dealt with my illegal act.

As long as we as a free nation condone the wholesale slaughter of unborn fetuses, anyone’s cry’s for the mistreatment of children at the border will fall on my deaf ears.

[Bighead]

Well said John.
Rob dont you think there should be ZERO tolerance for illegally crossing our borders?
Once you cross our border illegally YOU ARE a crminal.....

[The emperor has no clothes]

“Previous administrations used family detention facilities, allowing the whole family to stay together while awaiting their deportation case in immigration court, or alternatives to detention, which required families to be tracked but released from custody to await their court date,” Brown and her co-author, Tim O’Shea, wrote in an explainer piece for the Bipartisan Policy Center’s website. “Some children may have been separated from the adults they entered with, in cases where the family relationship could not be established, child trafficking was suspected, or there were not sufficient family detention facilities available. … However, the zero-tolerance policy is the first time that a policy resulting in separation is being applied across the board.”

Jeh Johnson, DHS secretary under the Obama administration, told NPR earlier this month that he couldn’t say that family separations “never happened” during his tenure. “There may have been some exigent situation, some emergency. There may have been some doubt about whether the adult accompanying the child was in fact the parent of the child. I can’t say it never happened but not as a matter of policy or practice. It’s not something that I could ask our Border Patrol or our immigration enforcement personnel to do,” Johnson said.




The differences are as someone would say HUGE. 

Makes a good argument for your point of view but it misses the point of the problem. The problem is not separating families, it’s illegal immigration. Those same “families” would not be separated by our government if they attempted to enter the country through the proper channels.

If I were the parent of a child and was in fear for the safety and well being of my child and thought the only way to ensure their future was to become a criminal by crossing a border illegally I would not be concerned about the government taking my child and feeding them, housing them, and providing for their security while they dealt with my illegal act.

As long as we as a free nation condone the wholesale slaughter of unborn fetuses, anyone’s cry’s for the mistreatment of children at the border will fall on my deaf ears.

I’m afraid you are missing my point. To say that Trump is just doing what Obama and Bush did is nothing more than pure propaganda. Yes, there is an illegal immigration problem. Did separating children and locking them up do ANYTHING to help the problem ?

[The emperor has no clothes]

Well said John.
Rob dont you think there should be ZERO tolerance for illegally crossing our borders?
Once you cross our border illegally YOU ARE a crminal.....

You should know my stance on illegal immigration, I’ve stated it here many times. When you say Trump is just doing what others have done is nothing more than slanted propaganda.

[f6john]

“Previous administrations used family detention facilities, allowing the whole family to stay together while awaiting their deportation case in immigration court, or alternatives to detention, which required families to be tracked but released from custody to await their court date,” Brown and her co-author, Tim O’Shea, wrote in an explainer piece for the Bipartisan Policy Center’s website. “Some children may have been separated from the adults they entered with, in cases where the family relationship could not be established, child trafficking was suspected, or there were not sufficient family detention facilities available. … However, the zero-tolerance policy is the first time that a policy resulting in separation is being applied across the board.”

Jeh Johnson, DHS secretary under the Obama administration, told NPR earlier this month that he couldn’t say that family separations “never happened” during his tenure. “There may have been some exigent situation, some emergency. There may have been some doubt about whether the adult accompanying the child was in fact the parent of the child. I can’t say it never happened but not as a matter of policy or practice. It’s not something that I could ask our Border Patrol or our immigration enforcement personnel to do,” Johnson said.




The differences are as someone would say HUGE. 

Makes a good argument for your point of view but it misses the point of the problem. The problem is not separating families, it’s illegal immigration. Those same “families” would not be separated by our government if they attempted to enter the country through the proper channels.

If I were the parent of a child and was in fear for the safety and well being of my child and thought the only way to ensure their future was to become a criminal by crossing a border illegally I would not be concerned about the government taking my child and feeding them, housing them, and providing for their security while they dealt with my illegal act.

As long as we as a free nation condone the wholesale slaughter of unborn fetuses, anyone’s cry’s for the mistreatment of children at the border will fall on my deaf ears.

I’m afraid you are missing my point. To say that Trump is just doing what Obama and Bush did is nothing more than pure propaganda. Yes, there is an illegal immigration problem. Did separating children and locking them up do ANYTHING to help the problem ?

I did miss your point, but why major in minor thoughts? Their is plenty of propaganda out there and it’s just out there to muddy the water. Did separating the children to anything to help? I think it did. It brought illegal immigration to the front burner. Did it help Trumps image? No, but he is willing to risk it to get something moving. The country needs answers to problems not finger pointing.

If you’re paying attention, and I think you are, you can see Trump wants some common sense legislation to address the problems at the border. That’s the job of Congress. The ball is in their court and I think Trump will keep pushing and possibly doing things that infuriates if it gets them off their collective backsides.

[Gryphon]

I only put one cube in the glass with the scotch

That kinda seems extreme to me

Where will I get my ice   

I use soapstone cubes for single malts. Don't want dilution.

[The emperor has no clothes]

“Previous administrations used family detention facilities, allowing the whole family to stay together while awaiting their deportation case in immigration court, or alternatives to detention, which required families to be tracked but released from custody to await their court date,” Brown and her co-author, Tim O’Shea, wrote in an explainer piece for the Bipartisan Policy Center’s website. “Some children may have been separated from the adults they entered with, in cases where the family relationship could not be established, child trafficking was suspected, or there were not sufficient family detention facilities available. … However, the zero-tolerance policy is the first time that a policy resulting in separation is being applied across the board.”

Jeh Johnson, DHS secretary under the Obama administration, told NPR earlier this month that he couldn’t say that family separations “never happened” during his tenure. “There may have been some exigent situation, some emergency. There may have been some doubt about whether the adult accompanying the child was in fact the parent of the child. I can’t say it never happened but not as a matter of policy or practice. It’s not something that I could ask our Border Patrol or our immigration enforcement personnel to do,” Johnson said.




The differences are as someone would say HUGE. 

Makes a good argument for your point of view but it misses the point of the problem. The problem is not separating families, it’s illegal immigration. Those same “families” would not be separated by our government if they attempted to enter the country through the proper channels.

If I were the parent of a child and was in fear for the safety and well being of my child and thought the only way to ensure their future was to become a criminal by crossing a border illegally I would not be concerned about the government taking my child and feeding them, housing them, and providing for their security while they dealt with my illegal act.

As long as we as a free nation condone the wholesale slaughter of unborn fetuses, anyone’s cry’s for the mistreatment of children at the border will fall on my deaf ears.

I’m afraid you are missing my point. To say that Trump is just doing what Obama and Bush did is nothing more than pure propaganda. Yes, there is an illegal immigration problem. Did separating children and locking them up do ANYTHING to help the problem ?

I did miss your point, but why major in minor thoughts? Their is plenty of propaganda out there and it’s just out there to muddy the water. Did separating the children to anything to help? I think it did. It brought illegal immigration to the front burner. Did it help Trumps image? No, but he is willing to risk it to get something moving. The country needs answers to problems not finger pointing.

If you’re paying attention, and I think you are, you can see Trump wants some common sense legislation to address the problems at the border. That’s the job of Congress. The ball is in their court and I think Trump will keep pushing and possibly doing things that infuriates if it gets them off their collective backsides.

you are joking right ? Finger pointing ? That’s all Trump has done is tweet how it’s all the Democrats fault. He wants to get them off their backside ? Wasn’t it just a short week ago he told them to not try to do anything until after the election ? Real leaders will lead not tweet.

[Serk]

Don't worry guys, it looks like Mexico is about to elect a full blown commie/socialist as it's next president, and since we all know how well socialism works in no time at all Mexico will become a total utopia.

In fact I bet they'll be the ones building a wall to keep all these desperate Americans out of their communist paradise.

[f6john]

“Previous administrations used family detention facilities, allowing the whole family to stay together while awaiting their deportation case in immigration court, or alternatives to detention, which required families to be tracked but released from custody to await their court date,” Brown and her co-author, Tim O’Shea, wrote in an explainer piece for the Bipartisan Policy Center’s website. “Some children may have been separated from the adults they entered with, in cases where the family relationship could not be established, child trafficking was suspected, or there were not sufficient family detention facilities available. … However, the zero-tolerance policy is the first time that a policy resulting in separation is being applied across the board.”

Jeh Johnson, DHS secretary under the Obama administration, told NPR earlier this month that he couldn’t say that family separations “never happened” during his tenure. “There may have been some exigent situation, some emergency. There may have been some doubt about whether the adult accompanying the child was in fact the parent of the child. I can’t say it never happened but not as a matter of policy or practice. It’s not something that I could ask our Border Patrol or our immigration enforcement personnel to do,” Johnson said.




The differences are as someone would say HUGE. 

Makes a good argument for your point of view but it misses the point of the problem. The problem is not separating families, it’s illegal immigration. Those same “families” would not be separated by our government if they attempted to enter the country through the proper channels.

If I were the parent of a child and was in fear for the safety and well being of my child and thought the only way to ensure their future was to become a criminal by crossing a border illegally I would not be concerned about the government taking my child and feeding them, housing them, and providing for their security while they dealt with my illegal act.

As long as we as a free nation condone the wholesale slaughter of unborn fetuses, anyone’s cry’s for the mistreatment of children at the border will fall on my deaf ears.

I’m afraid you are missing my point. To say that Trump is just doing what Obama and Bush did is nothing more than pure propaganda. Yes, there is an illegal immigration problem. Did separating children and locking them up do ANYTHING to help the problem ?

I did miss your point, but why major in minor thoughts? Their is plenty of propaganda out there and it’s just out there to muddy the water. Did separating the children to anything to help? I think it did. It brought illegal immigration to the front burner. Did it help Trumps image? No, but he is willing to risk it to get something moving. The country needs answers to problems not finger pointing.

If you’re paying attention, and I think you are, you can see Trump wants some common sense legislation to address the problems at the border. That’s the job of Congress. The ball is in their court and I think Trump will keep pushing and possibly doing things that infuriates if it gets them off their collective backsides.

you are joking right ? Finger pointing ? That’s all Trump has done is tweet how it’s all the Democrats fault. He wants to get them off their backside ? Wasn’t it just a short week ago he told them to not try to do anything until after the election ? Real leaders will lead not tweet.

Ok Rob, have it your way. I know Trump is finger pointer in Chief! But that doesn’t take away from his constant pressure to move forward. The President is going to tweet, even if it doesn’t help his cause! I’m ok with it because it keeps us somewhat clued into what’s on his mind. Obama probably didn’t want anyone to know what he was thinking most of the time, especially a hot mike moment.

[ridingron]

I don't know if Trump is smart or stupid. If he is stupid he is smart enough to surround himself with people that get him where he wants to be (millionaire, president). Maybe the tweets get people so crazy upset, all they do is react to the tweets. Meanwhile other actions go un-noticed. As mentioned, it has got things moving. I am not saying the end justifies the means. They are criminals having broken the law. They brought the children into the situation to use as shields from deportation.

If an American citizen robs a 7-11 and he goes to jail, his kids don't go to jail with him. If there are no family members around to take custody, they go into the foster system. But that's another can of worms.

[Pete]

At this point anyone who believes any Democratic politician, needs to turn in their voter id card.

At this point anyone who believes any Republican politician, OOPS, still working on this one.

[f6john]

At this point anyone who believes any Democratic politician, needs to turn in their voter id card.

At this point anyone who believes any Republican politician, OOPS, still working on this one.

That’s what I love about Trump! He’s really not either one. Definitely not a politician. He finds problems and he desires to fix them