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I have heard some christian friends express similar things. I am amazed actually and wonder, if not him who would should be in the office.
Personally only, I think they missed Gods choice.
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classic over zealot believers who ignored many parts of the bible. Such as the one person to have walked this earth was the man-God Jesus the Christ.
and they forget what Jesus said directly to them
Matthew 7:3-5
3 “And why worry about a speck in your friend’s eye[a] when you have a log in your own? 4 How can you think of saying to your friend, ‘Let me help you get rid of that speck in your eye,’ when you can’t see past the log in your own eye? 5 Hypocrite! First get rid of the log in your own eye; then you will see well enough to deal with the speck in your friend’s eye.
people like the editor ignore the above verse since it would cause the person the change and people don't like change. The main reason people don't accept Christ and God, because it would cause them to change their ways.
all through the bible God our true Father always used people who were not perfect but had a heart for Him. Those people to name a few, David, Moses, Paul, all murderers, did the greatest works in the Bible.
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This is the section of the editorial that hit home for me:
"To the many evangelicals who continue to support Mr. Trump in spite of his blackened moral record, we might say this: Remember who you are and whom you serve. Consider how your justification of Mr. Trump influences your witness to your Lord and Savior. Consider what an unbelieving world will say if you continue to brush off Mr. Trump’s immoral words and behavior in the cause of political expediency. If we don’t reverse course now, will anyone take anything we say about justice and righteousness with any seriousness for decades to come? Can we say with a straight face that abortion is a great evil that cannot be tolerated and, with the same straight face, say that the bent and broken character of our nation’s leader doesn’t really matter in the end?"
My personal testimony means more to me than DJ Trump, Republican or Democrat, or even this nation.
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I doubt Pence has it in him to withstand the storm Trump is going through
It is truly amazing that the ones that think they know what Christianity really is are the ones that critize and judge, but I doubt they have read their bibles all the way through even once.
If you want to use this to get a rise out of anyone who is truly a christian, its not a good stab.
As for men:
I wish every man of God, that God Himself held up in the bible was of unreproacable charecter but that is not the case. In fact even Jesus said there is only one good and that is God.
I have known many men, in many different positions and I would say that some in buisness would make heaven before some pastors in my estimation. So, so much for outward appearance.
God used Pharoh, yes even Pharoh a man by any standards was evil to the core, yet God used him for His purpose.
Even Moses was a flawed man but God used him mightily.
I could go on with so many examples a but it surfices to say looking at the outward of a man only shows ignorace of the bible and God.
Plus for our resident left that posted the pics above, thank you for staying true to form. If you have any other negatives I suggest you bring them up, since its what you do, its how you feel, even though there are so many examples of Trump doing good, down to being our president when he did not have to. NO post would be complete with out you two.
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Say what you will. Trump is going to be re elected. Yes, some liberal heads will explode. And there will be more crying. He’s not perfect. Who is? He is still the man for the job.
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I doubt Pence has it in him to withstand the storm Trump is going through
It is truly amazing that the ones that think they know what Christianity really is are the ones that critize and judge, but I doubt they have read their bibles all the way through even once.
If you want to use this to get a rise out of anyone who is truly a christian, its not a good stab.
As for men:
I wish every man of God, that God Himself held up in the bible was of unreproacable charecter but that is not the case. In fact even Jesus said there is only one good and that is God.
I have known many men, in many different positions and I would say that some in buisness would make heaven before some pastors in my estimation. So, so much for outward appearance.
God used Pharoh, yes even Pharoh a man by any standards was evil to the core, yet God used him for His purpose.
Even Moses was a flawed man but God used him mightily.
I could go on with so many examples a but it surfices to say looking at the outward of a man only shows ignorace of the bible and God.
Plus for our resident left that posted the pics above, thank you for staying true to form. If you have any other negatives I suggest you bring them up, since its what you do, its how you feel, even though there are so many examples of Trump doing good, down to being our president when he did not have to. NO post would be complete with out you two.
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God has a history of using vile people to accomplish His purposes.
Exodus 14:4 (ESV) - And I will harden Pharaoh's heart, and he will pursue them, and I will get glory over Pharaoh and all his host, and the Egyptians shall know that I am the Lord.”
God then drowned Pharaoh with his army.
Habakkuk 1:6-7 (NIV)
I am raising up the Babylonians,
that ruthless and impetuous people,
who sweep across the whole earth
to seize dwellings not their own.
They are a feared and dreaded people;
they are a law to themselves
and promote their own honor.
In Habakkuk 2, God pronounces "woes" against the Babylonians, judging them for the evil they commit, even though God would use them to punish Judah.
God ordains all that occurs, from the outcome of the roll of a die (Proverbs 16:33), to the actions of kings:
The king's heart is a stream of water in the hand of the Lord;
he turns it wherever he will.
Every way of a man is right in his own eyes,
but the Lord weighs the heart.
- Proverbs 21:1-2 (ESV)
God ordains our actions, but also holds us morally culpable for them.
ALL leaders are put in place by God to fulfill His purpose, and God also ordains the means of their removal from leadership.
Christians are called to be subject to their leaders, both within the church and as citizens of governments, with the caveat that we are not to violate God's commands to us (via Scripture) when complying with man's commands.
Yes, God's choice was Trump, and before him, Obama, and before him, Dubya, and before him, Clinton, etc., and after Trump, maybe Biden or Pence or ? We will know God's choice when we see whom He next puts in office.
Christians are called to stand for and proclaim Truth. We would be wise to not throw our uncritical and unconditional support behind any leader. I can understand Christians voting for Trump because they saw the alternative as worse. I can't understand Christians worshipping him despite his character.
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LOL...truer words were never spoken... post deleted in ...3...2...1 "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone". Bob and Rob SO FREAKING WHAT. I would love to see the leading dems tax returns. Most became millionaires on 174K a year. Hmmm. Your boy left the Whitehouse worth millions. He should have been worth approx 2 mill. How did he make so much more. Hmmm. We are still waiting to see Obama's school records. Tell me what successful businessman hasn't had some failure. Obama can't say that because he never had a "real" job. So what he payed for sex. Bill Clinton raped and assulted several women and got away with it. Obama went to a church with a racist pastor and hung out with the likes of Bill Ayres.. Got any proof that Trump defrauded charities?? I heard the Clinton's stole money from Africans. Draft dodger huh? Billy boy fled to Canada to avoid the draft. Obama never served. It amazes me that liberals like you two only worry about military service when a Republican is in office. Hmm where was Eric Holder during Fast and Furious? How about Lois Lerner? There. I addressed the things in your stupid little picture. Bottom line you both and the rest of the Democrats are nothing but a bunch of hypocrites. ....... |
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LOL...truer words were never spoken... post deleted in ...3...2...1 I feel so sorry for the both of you. spreading lies like your leader schiff who's leader is Satan the father of all lies. Jesus tells us that the devil is “a liar and the father of lies.” John 8:44 The 9th commandment. Thou Shalt Not Lie. what part of that do you not understand? - God |
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« Reply #15 on: December 20, 2019, 10:50:25 AM » |
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I doubt Pence has it in him to withstand the storm Trump is going through
It is truly amazing that the ones that think they know what Christianity really is are the ones that critize and judge, but I doubt they have read their bibles all the way through even once.
If you want to use this to get a rise out of anyone who is truly a christian, its not a good stab.
As for men:
I wish every man of God, that God Himself held up in the bible was of unreproacable charecter but that is not the case. In fact even Jesus said there is only one good and that is God.
I have known many men, in many different positions and I would say that some in buisness would make heaven before some pastors in my estimation. So, so much for outward appearance.
God used Pharoh, yes even Pharoh a man by any standards was evil to the core, yet God used him for His purpose.
Even Moses was a flawed man but God used him mightily.
I could go on with so many examples a but it surfices to say looking at the outward of a man only shows ignorace of the bible and God.
Plus for our resident left that posted the pics above, thank you for staying true to form. If you have any other negatives I suggest you bring them up, since its what you do, its how you feel, even though there are so many examples of Trump doing good, down to being our president when he did not have to. NO post would be complete with out you two.
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Say what you will. Trump is going to be re elected. Yes, some liberal heads will explode. And there will be more crying. He’s not perfect. Who is? He is still the man for the job.
I'll farther than that - Trump doesn't get ejected from POTUS Trump gets re-elected (possibly by a larger margin in the EC, and maybe even by the popular vote) Senate GOP majority grows House flips back to the GOP All the GOP needs to do is appear more reasonable than the Democrats. That doesn't mean I will be voting for Trump. I still find him despicable as a human being. |
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Baldo...Meathead, would that I had the ability to put together a similar group of pictures of Clinton and Obama. It would be a lot more than eight pictures, more like eight pages....especially with Obama. That man was engaged such nefarious and illegal activities while in office that it makes his namesake Hussein look like Mr. Rogers with a halo. As for hiding his tax returns, there's no law requiring the disclosure. Just because others before him have is of little consequence or meaning. Hiding his grades, not so....do a little research. As for draft dodging or lack of military service of any kind, neither of the names mentioned above served in any capacity. Just to mention a few.....  |
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Say what you will. Trump is going to be re elected. Yes, some liberal heads will explode. And there will be more crying. He’s not perfect. Who is? He is still the man for the job.
I'll farther than that - Trump doesn't get ejected from POTUS Trump gets re-elected (possibly by a larger margin in the EC, and maybe even by the popular vote) Senate GOP majority grows House flips back to the GOP All the GOP needs to do is appear more reasonable than the Democrats. That doesn't mean I will be voting for Trump. I still find him despicable as a human being. I have said it many times. Trump is an ass. He's brash,unpolished and rude at times. But he isn't taking crap from anybody. Up to and including congress,senators and world leaders. He is making other countries pay their fare share. The economy is booming. Jobs have come back. Unemployment is the lowest it's been in decades. Taxes are low and companies are coming back to the US. There is still work to do like Healthcare. So yes Trump is "despicable" at times BUT you have two choices. Vote for him and let him continue to improve America or vote for a democrat that will reverse every thing that has been done for the economy and take us back to the Obama years...Your choice. ..... |
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God has a history of using vile people to accomplish His purposes.
Exodus 14:4 (ESV) - And I will harden Pharaoh's heart, and he will pursue them, and I will get glory over Pharaoh and all his host, and the Egyptians shall know that I am the Lord.”
God then drowned Pharaoh with his army.
Habakkuk 1:6-7 (NIV)
I am raising up the Babylonians,
that ruthless and impetuous people,
who sweep across the whole earth
to seize dwellings not their own.
They are a feared and dreaded people;
they are a law to themselves
and promote their own honor.
In Habakkuk 2, God pronounces "woes" against the Babylonians, judging them for the evil they commit, even though God would use them to punish Judah.
God ordains all that occurs, from the outcome of the roll of a die (Proverbs 16:33), to the actions of kings:
The king's heart is a stream of water in the hand of the Lord;
he turns it wherever he will.
Every way of a man is right in his own eyes,
but the Lord weighs the heart.
- Proverbs 21:1-2 (ESV)
God ordains our actions, but also holds us morally culpable for them.
ALL leaders are put in place by God to fulfill His purpose, and God also ordains the means of their removal from leadership.
Christians are called to be subject to their leaders, both within the church and as citizens of governments, with the caveat that we are not to violate God's commands to us (via Scripture) when complying with man's commands.
Yes, God's choice was Trump, and before him, Obama, and before him, Dubya, and before him, Clinton, etc., and after Trump, maybe Biden or Pence or ? We will know God's choice when we see whom He next puts in office.
Christians are called to stand for and proclaim Truth. We would be wise to not throw our uncritical and unconditional support behind any leader. I can understand Christians voting for Trump because they saw the alternative as worse. I can't understand Christians worshipping him despite his character.
I think we are not supposed to question God’s will. (At least that’s how I understand it) But for the life of me, it makes no sense to me for God (or anyone else) to want to use vile or evil people to advance his purpose. Surely God could find a way to use good to advance his purposes. As to the OP’s statement about the Christianity Today article. They are not some liberal organization as I understand it. It makes one hopeful that not all have sold their soul. |
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I doubt Pence has it in him to withstand the storm Trump is going through
It is truly amazing that the ones that think they know what Christianity really is are the ones that critize and judge, but I doubt they have read their bibles all the way through even once.
If you want to use this to get a rise out of anyone who is truly a christian, its not a good stab.
As for men:
I wish every man of God, that God Himself held up in the bible was of unreproacable charecter but that is not the case. In fact even Jesus said there is only one good and that is God.
I have known many men, in many different positions and I would say that some in buisness would make heaven before some pastors in my estimation. So, so much for outward appearance.
God used Pharoh, yes even Pharoh a man by any standards was evil to the core, yet God used him for His purpose.
Even Moses was a flawed man but God used him mightily.
I could go on with so many examples a but it surfices to say looking at the outward of a man only shows ignorace of the bible and God.
Plus for our resident left that posted the pics above, thank you for staying true to form. If you have any other negatives I suggest you bring them up, since its what you do, its how you feel, even though there are so many examples of Trump doing good, down to being our president when he did not have to. NO post would be complete with out you two.
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Do Christians consider Trump has been treated worse than Jesus was ?Let's see... Trump is president of the United States, a billionaire, married to a model and probably has gold plated fixtures in the bathrooms of all his mansions. Jesus was nailed alive to a post and died while being mocked, spat upon and jabbed in the side with a spear... Of course, if you're talking about the trial before the crucifixion, like this senator was, there's probably something to compare... https://www.timesofisrael.com/us-lawmaker-says-trump-treated-worse-than-jesus-before-crucifixion/-Mike
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I can't understand Christians worshipping him despite his character.
I think we are not supposed to question God’s will. (At least that’s how I understand it) But for the life of me, it makes no sense to me for God (or anyone else) to want to use vile or evil people to advance his purpose. Surely God could find a way to use good to advance his purposes.
It makes one hopeful that not all have sold their soul.
Gryphon I doubt anyone worships him but I have never in my lifetime seen any president keep his promises. Much less battle the onslaught of feces he has and keep on going. For that I know I am gratefull, and he deserves my support and encouragement for following through. He has and is doing things that many thought needed to be done many years ago. The real numbers of the problem come from the shrinking middle class. Also the corruption and personal use of the goverment agencies to influence an election and try to remove a sitting president. Meat, questioning Gods will is what many do, including sometimes myself and numerous in the bible. Untill we become God, (which is never) we will never fully understand His choices in people nor His ways. Putting Out the Fleece, a Great story https://www.bjupress.com/resources/articles/t2t/putting-out-the-fleece.php“For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways,” declares the Lord. “As the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts. Let me ask you this, how and by what means and what people did God use to make Isreal become a nation once more in 1948. A hint, it was not only Godly men that He used. God's purposes will not be thwarted, who He uses and how is His choice, like, the time He used a donkey to talk to a King. So knowing that I think He has this  As to your hopefullness, you would do better to understand than hope, then hope the way that will provide a return. NO other president made or acknowledged Jerusalem as the capital of Isreal. But this man with all his faults did what NO other president had the guts to do. So how do YOU judge that? |
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Do Christians consider Trump has been treated worse than Jesus was ?Let's see... Trump is president of the United States, a billionaire, married to a model and probably has gold plated fixtures in the bathrooms of all his mansions. Jesus was nailed alive to a post and died while being mocked, spat upon and jabbed in the side with a spear... Of course, if you're talking about the trial before the crucifixion, like this senator was, there's probably something to compare... https://www.timesofisrael.com/us-lawmaker-says-trump-treated-worse-than-jesus-before-crucifixion/-Mike Being beaten, made to carry a cross thru the streets, spat upon, seems no comparison to me. But like I say, I am certainly no expert on the subject of the Bible. |
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I can't understand Christians worshipping him despite his character.
I think we are not supposed to question God’s will. (At least that’s how I understand it) But for the life of me, it makes no sense to me for God (or anyone else) to want to use vile or evil people to advance his purpose. Surely God could find a way to use good to advance his purposes.
It makes one hopeful that not all have sold their soul.
Gryphon I doubt anyone worships him but I have never in my lifetime seen any president keep his promises. Much less battle the onslaught of feces he has and keep on going. For that I know I am gratefull, and he deserves my support and encouragement for following through. Meat questioning Gods will is what many do, including sometimes myself and numerous in the bible. Untill we become God, (which is never) we will never understand His choices in people. “For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways,” declares the Lord. “As the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts. Let me ask you this, how and by what means and what people did God use to make Isreal become a nation once more in 1948. A hint it was not only Godly men that He used. God's purposes will not be thwarted, who He uses and how is His choice, like, the time He used a donkey to talk to a King. So knowing that I think He has this As to your hopefullness, you would do better to understand than hope, then hope the way that will provide a return. I will take your advisement under consideration  |
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Being beaten, made to carry a cross thru the streets, spat upon, seems no comparison to me. But like I say, I am certainly no expert on the subject of the Bible.
There is only one comparison and it does not come from the maliciousness of the attacks on Jesus but comes from the purpose of the goal. Jesus KNEW why He came and that was His purpose, that He fullfiled perfectly through all the persecution. He was fully man but fully God also, and no man could compare. Everything that was made was through Him and He and the Father are one. While for a time He was made man to redeem man there is no comparison especially when Jesus said, "if you have seen Me you have seen God and His attributes". So how is anyone going to live up to this? That is why your question has no relevance. Except in one area purpose, Jesus always relied on the Father and the Holy Spirit to get Him through the tough things He had to do. But He even knew what He would have to face and how. He in the end did not have His life taken from Him, HE gave it up knowing His work was finished. Trump has a purpose, just like every president. Trump stated his purpose from the beginging and he is accomplishing that purpose, I believe with Gods help. He has stayed strong and many, myself included perscribe to his ideals and goals and find a real value in them. I pray and hope with the constant bombardment from every side he stays strong. I doubt I could do the same, so if he slips or is course I have to forgive since I cannot reasonably put another layer of critisim on him for the small stuff. |
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« Reply #27 on: December 20, 2019, 01:12:18 PM » |
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Of all the candidates running for president, who do you prefer? |
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baldo
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« Reply #28 on: December 20, 2019, 02:02:47 PM » |
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LOL...truer words were never spoken... post deleted in ...3...2...1 I feel so sorry for the both of you. spreading lies like your leader schiff who's leader is Satan the father of all lies. Jesus tells us that the devil is “a liar and the father of lies.” John 8:44 The 9th commandment. Thou Shalt Not Lie. what part of that do you not understand? - God Where are the lies? |
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Alberta Patriot
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« Reply #29 on: December 20, 2019, 02:23:54 PM » |
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Trump is the Global Ambassador of Unfiltered Speech...and not always appropriate. I will take that over the double standard that allows the Clintons and those of their ilk who lie cheat and steal with impunity.
I have a question...or two
Who were the 12 Apostles, and were they without sin, How about Mary Magdalene.
Did Jesus identify with the Elite, or the Downtrodden. Did He worship in the Temples or did he gather with the common man.
I don't see Trump gathering with the Posh Elites at wine tasting festivals, since he was elected he seems more at home gathering with the multitudes at rallies...yes his businesses dictated that he "Hang With the Posh, but he is just as at home with the people who serve his wealthy guests, not my opinion, but the many comments of those who work for him all over the globe.
Glass Houses, Stones and the character of the people who are so eager to cast those stones!!
I see plenty of folks who claim they are Christians, but certainly don't always act like it.
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« Reply #30 on: December 20, 2019, 02:24:58 PM » |
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Looking at all the 2016 election polls and media anti Trump intervention.......I kinda thought Trumps winning the 2016 Presidential election was.......Devine Intervention
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« Reply #31 on: December 20, 2019, 02:31:17 PM » |
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LOL...truer words were never spoken... post deleted in ...3...2...1 I feel so sorry for the both of you. spreading lies like your leader schiff who's leader is Satan the father of all lies. Jesus tells us that the devil is “a liar and the father of lies.” John 8:44 The 9th commandment. Thou Shalt Not Lie. what part of that do you not understand? - God Where are the lies? Its innuendo. The same as asking you, "When did you stop beating your wife?". The statements imply a wrong when no wrong has been committed by the statement. Just addressing one item regarding Tax Returns, please provide me the legal reference that requires a political candidate or office holder to release his tax returns. |
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Skinhead
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« Reply #32 on: December 20, 2019, 02:41:52 PM » |
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I don’t pretend to know what Christianity is. So, I will ask. Do Christians consider Trump has been treated worse than Jesus was ?
Are you serious? I don't mean to insult, but that is THE DUMBEST thing I have ever seen you post. |
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« Reply #33 on: December 20, 2019, 02:43:04 PM » |
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The Christianity Today article has been panned by Evangelicals the likes of the Graham family for starters.
If I were an Evangelical, I’d look at Trump as my political warrior. The opposition, the side who kills babies, depresses the Human spirit and denies God and rejects your right to believe in God needs to be taken on by a warrior.
Warriors by definition are not particularly nice, prim and proper. Often they have histories that are ugly too.
Trump is willing to take on that opposition. That is why I voted for him. Trump is politically expendable so can take the fight to them. And he is.
I see the media on the side of the opposition. I see the twisted and fabricated tales they tell. This was well before Trump too.
So, if the folks at “Christianity Today” are really Christians, they need to toughen up and look to be warriors too.
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Gavin_Sons
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« Reply #34 on: December 20, 2019, 02:47:24 PM » |
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That's ok, after this impeachment isn't he eligible for 2 more terms since this term will be nullified? 12 years of Trump? I think I like it  |
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Alberta Patriot
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« Reply #35 on: December 20, 2019, 02:56:22 PM » |
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That's ok, after this impeachment isn't he eligible for 2 more terms since this term will be nullified? 12 years of Trump? I think I like it Aren't you tired of winning?? |
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« Reply #36 on: December 20, 2019, 02:57:03 PM » |
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like that last post
I, being of a denomination that does not celebrate Christmas, do still have an interest in what evangelicals are up to.
The premise that evangelicals are unhappy with Trump is without any basis in fact.
One of the tenets of the evangelical movement is Israel. This President was the ONLY, let me repeat that like the pastor in church, This President was the only President with the integrity to move the embassy to Jerusalem and he did it under budget and quickly.
Every evangelical I have met, and I am friendly with a great many, including CMA members across the country, agree that Trump is not a racist ( he dated a black woman for years) is not prejudiced against Jews (son in law) likes to hire women (a great many over the years in high positions.
The assertion that one must bare tax returns is erroneous
It is a stupid as any person who would believe antifa is not a fascist organization. He believes in free speech, freedom of religion, the idea that any person can make what he or she wants of him or herself or itself (for those who are ?)
He has not been bought and paid for like Pelosi, Kerry, Biden, Clinton
Warren, Sanders
This is why they hate him in the bought and paid for media.
And I have absolutely no respect for any poster who would assert that the 5th amendment is not applicable to every citizen. A person can not be forced to testify as Carolinarider and AlbertaP pointed out.
Likewise the protections afforded by the bankruptcy code are for ALL of us. Do not throw stones at one who used them to his interest. We have a duty to pay the least taxes we can do lawfully as government has NO inherent right to income tax, payroll tax or any other tax.
They TAKE because we are weak and allow our legislators who work for us to get away with it
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Skinhead
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« Reply #37 on: December 20, 2019, 03:02:05 PM » |
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What ever happened to separation of church and state? The lefties sure don't care what the Christians say, unless they are saying something bad about Trump. I couldn't care less what they say, I'll make up my own mind. Trump can be a real a-hole, but he's just what the cesspool in DC needed at the moment.
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Skinhead
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« Reply #38 on: December 20, 2019, 03:05:04 PM » |
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Well said Evan!
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Willow
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« Reply #39 on: December 20, 2019, 03:48:42 PM » |
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Being beaten, made to carry a cross thru the streets, spat upon, seems no comparison to me. But like I say, I am certainly no expert on the subject of the Bible.
I believe the original comment was regarding Pontius Pilate's treatment of the Christ during the trial, not the crucifiction. Nonetheless it was a meaningless comparison. What ever happened to separation of church and state? ...
For what it's worth, Christianity Today is not a church and doesn't actually speak for evangelicals as a whole. |
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