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While it's pretty obvious those on the left are indeed thinking such thoughts, no, even as insane as she is, she never actually tweeted this:
With the current climate today and the seriousness of the tweet and the media reporting being in question I may have some doubts about saying its false. As you also say its pretty obvious the tactics being used confirm their intentions. So I will hold judgement either way for now, till I can verify or deny it but I am leaning towards its true. |
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So one group of "scientists" promotes one view and another group of "scientists" contradicts. Doesn't that just add to the confusion? The conflict supports my belief that what we call science these days is not precise and exact. What we call science these days is heavily laden with speculation and guessing. There are numerous documented cases where large groups of people have contracted C19, traced to specific social and public events and individual, seemingly asymptomatic carriers. It is highly unlikely that every single one of those affected were all handling the same droplet covered object(s) or even in direct contact with the same individual. Again, speculaltion and guessing (highly unlikely?). I appreciate your position and your choice to believe. I was responding your opening claim of airborne but the article clearly states there is conflict among the scientists with some claiming and some denying or at least stating it's unproven. I wrote, "...It is highly unlikely that every single one of those affected... Ya, that's my position. I appreciate your position as well, FWIW. https://www.boston.com/news/coronavirus/2020/07/07/airborne-coronavirus-what-you-should-do-now/amp"Because aerosols are smaller, they contain much less virus than droplets do. But because they are lighter, they can linger in the air for hours, especially in the absence of fresh air. In a crowded indoor space, a single infected person can release enough aerosolized virus over time to infect many people, perhaps seeding a superspreader event". "For droplets to be responsible for that kind of spread, a single person would have to be within a few feet of all the other people, or to have contaminated an object that everyone else touched. All that seems unlikely to many experts: “I have to do too many mental gymnastics to explain those other routes of transmission compared to aerosol transmission, which is much simpler,” Marr said". |
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I read the article linked above even though no summary was provided by the poster. Here are some tidbits The BBC reported that the study in Spain was one of the largest of its kind and included more than 60,000 people. Health officials have said the only chance the world has at getting back to normal would be a cure, proven vaccine or herd immunity.
The report, which was published in the Lancet, reportedly said, “Despite the high impact of COVID-19 in Spain, prevalence estimates remain low and are clearly insufficient to provide her immunity.”To bad the author of a major news source cannot ensure that the article uses correct english. And, just for the record, Spain has reported almost zero cases since mid May (see more below). A recent study in Spain showed that only five percent of the population there have antibodies to ward off the coronavirus despite the prevalence of the disease in the country where there have been nearly 30,000 deathsIf you look at the link below you will see that Spain has reported, as of today, 298,869 cases, with 28,388 deaths with zero precent change since...... hard to tell. In fact, if you believe the website below, there have been very few cases in Spain since the first of May. So, if herd immunity is not achievable, what should we attribute the basically zero new cases in Spain since mid May to????? Luck? Social distancing? Mask wearing? https://coronavirus.thebaselab.com |
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So one group of "scientists" promotes one view and another group of "scientists" contradicts. Doesn't that just add to the confusion? The conflict supports my belief that what we call science these days is not precise and exact. What we call science these days is heavily laden with speculation and guessing. There are numerous documented cases where large groups of people have contracted C19, traced to specific social and public events and individual, seemingly asymptomatic carriers. It is highly unlikely that every single one of those affected were all handling the same droplet covered object(s) or even in direct contact with the same individual. Again, speculaltion and guessing (highly unlikely?). I appreciate your position and your choice to believe. I was responding your opening claim of airborne but the article clearly states there is conflict among the scientists with some claiming and some denying or at least stating it's unproven. I wrote, "...It is highly unlikely that every single one of those affected... Ya, that's my position. I appreciate your position as well, FWIW. https://www.boston.com/news/coronavirus/2020/07/07/airborne-coronavirus-what-you-should-do-now/amp"Because aerosols are smaller, they contain much less virus than droplets do. But because they are lighter, they can linger in the air for hours, especially in the absence of fresh air. In a crowded indoor space, a single infected person can release enough aerosolized virus over time to infect many people, perhaps seeding a superspreader event". "For droplets to be responsible for that kind of spread, a single person would have to be within a few feet of all the other people, or to have contaminated an object that everyone else touched. All that seems unlikely to many experts: “I have to do too many mental gymnastics to explain those other routes of transmission compared to aerosol transmission, which is much simpler,” Marr said". Now "they" are saving the aerosol can hang in the air for an extended period. |
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« Reply #1887 on: July 07, 2020, 07:07:33 AM » |
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I read the article linked above even though no summary was provided by the poster. Here are some tidbits The BBC reported that the study in Spain was one of the largest of its kind and included more than 60,000 people. Health officials have said the only chance the world has at getting back to normal would be a cure, proven vaccine or herd immunity.
The report, which was published in the Lancet, reportedly said, “Despite the high impact of COVID-19 in Spain, prevalence estimates remain low and are clearly insufficient to provide her immunity.”To bad the author of a major news source cannot ensure that the article uses correct english. And, just for the record, Spain has reported almost zero cases since mid May (see more below). A recent study in Spain showed that only five percent of the population there have antibodies to ward off the coronavirus despite the prevalence of the disease in the country where there have been nearly 30,000 deathsIf you look at the link below you will see that Spain has reported, as of today, 298,869 cases, with 28,388 deaths with zero precent change since...... hard to tell. In fact, if you believe the website below, there have been very few cases in Spain since the first of May. So, if herd immunity is not achievable, what should we attribute the basically zero new cases in Spain since mid May to????? Luck? Social distancing? Mask wearing? https://coronavirus.thebaselab.comYou are 100% correct! BTW, a summary sentence was included, but I could care less if my posts are in your preferred format.. I have no problem with you reaching your own conclusions about any content within them. Coronavirus -- it's all good!  |
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I read the article linked above even though no summary was provided by the poster. Here are some tidbits The BBC reported that the study in Spain was one of the largest of its kind and included more than 60,000 people. Health officials have said the only chance the world has at getting back to normal would be a cure, proven vaccine or herd immunity.
The report, which was published in the Lancet, reportedly said, “Despite the high impact of COVID-19 in Spain, prevalence estimates remain low and are clearly insufficient to provide her immunity.”To bad the author of a major news source cannot ensure that the article uses correct english. And, just for the record, Spain has reported almost zero cases since mid May (see more below). A recent study in Spain showed that only five percent of the population there have antibodies to ward off the coronavirus despite the prevalence of the disease in the country where there have been nearly 30,000 deathsIf you look at the link below you will see that Spain has reported, as of today, 298,869 cases, with 28,388 deaths with zero precent change since...... hard to tell. In fact, if you believe the website below, there have been very few cases in Spain since the first of May. So, if herd immunity is not achievable, what should we attribute the basically zero new cases in Spain since mid May to????? Luck? Social distancing? Mask wearing? https://coronavirus.thebaselab.comYou are 100% correct! BTW, a summary sentence was included, but I could care less if my posts are in your preferred format.. I have no problem with you reaching your own conclusions about any content within them. Coronavirus -- it's all good! Obviously it's not all good and your repeated sarcasm does not look good on you. Most people (other people, I mean) resort to sarcasm when they no longer feel they can participate in an intellectual disagreement. My guess at why so few people seem to have acquired COVID-19 in Spain despite its high impact and apparent shutdown is that for some reason a large portion of the population seems to not be susceptible to the infection. An article some time back stated that some of the "experts" had determined that 60% of Americans are simply not susceptible to COVID-19. |
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Another article to continue our intellectual disagreement. I've bit my tongue curbed my typing many times in effort to keep my replies and comments on this thread civil, so don't act like you're above the sacasm fray. You're the Grand Poohbah of sarcasm! New, improved slogan. Coronavirus -- it is what it is. COVID-19 antibody study in Spain warns herd immunity 'cannot be achieved' without devastating effects https://www.foxnews.com/science/covid-19-antibody-study-spain-warns-herd-immunity-cannot-be-achieved-without-devastating-effects |
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Frieden. He just looks like a doctor kinda like Mitch McConnell looks like a founding father. But I digress... He seems to speak frankly, and he does his best to sprinkle as much optimism as possible into the scientific and medical information that he has privy to. According to him we can stop the virus but it will take some degree of consciousness and behavioral modification that we, as a society, have apparently not mastered as of yet. I do believe that those modifications, if enacted by a majority, would help our society toward achieving some degree of social normalcy and would act as a catalyst for rebounding economic growth. Until then it'll be a bit of a struggle. That's just my opinion. https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/coronavirus-upper-hand-can-still-stop-tom-frieden.ampJust saw Brazil's Prez has tested positive. Like Forrest Gump observed, it happens! |
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So,,,,,, you want to get tested for COVID-19 (well its called something else in medical jargon). Here is the disclaimer.
Testing was performed using the cobas(R) SARS-CoV-2 test.
This test was developed and its performance characteristics determined
by LabCorp Laboratories. This test has not been FDA cleared or
approved. This test has been authorized by FDA under an Emergency Use
Authorization (EUA). This test is only authorized for the duration of
time the declaration that circumstances exist justifying the
authorization of the emergency use of in vitro diagnostic tests for
detection of SARS-CoV-2 virus and/or diagnosis of COVID-19 infection
under section 564(b)(1) of the Act, 21 U.S.C. 360bbb-3(b)(1), unless
the authorization is terminated or revoked sooner.
When diagnostic testing is negative, the possibility of a false
negative result should be considered in the context of a patient's
recent exposures and the presence of clinical signs and symptoms
consistent with COVID-19. An individual without symptoms of COVID-19
and who is not shedding SARS-CoV-2 virus would expect to have
a negative (not detected) result in this assay.
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Another article to continue our intellectual disagreement. I've bit my tongue curbed my typing many times in effort to keep my replies and comments on this thread civil, so don't act like you're above the sacasm fray. You're the Grand Poohbah of sarcasm!
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An interesting article pertaining to Sweden's no lockdown approach. It has been a success. Sort of, anyway. ??? https://www.startribune.com/sweden-has-become-world-s-coronavirus-cautionary-tale/571675662/It goes to show that no matter how a given country goes about combating the virus and reopening the economy, there are no silver bullet or easy solutions. Thanks kindly, China! |
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Not sure who the lady that Fox News interviewed is but, if you look at the website linked below you will see the following (Oh its from the Texas Medical Center). The Texas Medical Center is located in south-central Houston, Texas. Website says data is as of July 7, 2020 Our Hospitals are very experienced at operation at 100% capacity and are able to flex up and down when needed.Addtiaolly we can moderate intake of non-COVID-19 paitents based on the clinical needs of these patients. Non COVID-19 patients today represent the vast majority of our patients. The graphs on this page also seem to suggest that hospitalizations for COVID-19 are down, but its hard to tell from the graphs. https://www.tmc.edu/coronavirus-updates/tmc-daily-new-covid-19-hospitalizations/ |
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Not sure who the lady that Fox News interviewed is but, if you look at the website linked below you will see the following (Oh its from the Texas Medical Center). The Texas Medical Center is located in south-central Houston, Texas.
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Sounds a lot like Mayor Deblasio of New York City. We need ships, we need field hospitals, we need....... and he was wrong.
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Sounds a lot like Mayor Deblasio of New York City. We need ships, we need field hospitals, we need....... and he was wrong.
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Man sentenced in city's second COVID-19 case
Tian Shengjie 上海日报SHINE Today
A man has been sentenced to six months in jail with a year’s reprieve in the city’s second case related to disrupting epidemic prevention and control.
Baoshan District People's Court heard that a woman, surnamed Zhang, had arrived in Shanghai from overseas on March 14. She met the man, surnamed Wu, and they flew to Guangzhou in Guangdong Province the same day. They stayed at Zhang’s home that night and Wu returned to Shanghai the next day.
On March 17, the center for disease control and prevention in Guangzhou told Wu that Zhang had been diagnosed with novel coronavirus infection and that he should stay in quarantine at home. However, he still went out several times to a restaurant, convenience store, fruit shop and gas station before he was taken to a designated place for quarantine and medical observation four days later.
On March 22, Wu tested positive for COVID-19, causing over 20 close contacts to be quarantined and several places closed for disinfection, the court heard.
It is illegal for suspected COVID-19 patients to refuse to be quarantined, to go to public places or use public transport.
In the city’s first such case on March 16, a man was sentenced to 15 months in jail with an 18-month reprieve at Jinshan District People's Court.
The man, surnamed Li, had hidden the fact he had been in Wuhan in Hubei Province. He had since been in close contact with 55 people and they all had to be quarantined.
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Sounds a lot like Mayor Deblasio of New York City. We need ships, we need field hospitals, we need....... and he was wrong.
Ya, she's pretty stupid. How dare she panic the people in this manner? She's out to destroy our Constitutional rights! Off with her head! BTW, Texas and California reported their highest single-day death totals Wednesday. That's probably not a good thing, no matter how you slice it. again the numbers are fake pumped up. well documented. COVID-19 Statistics There are two fundamental points often ignored when referring to “the death toll from COVID-19.” There is no evidence or proof offered by any scientist, pathologist, or virologist that confirms COVID-19 as the “cause” of death in the certification process. An expanded definition of a “COVID-19 death” was enacted by the CDC on March 24th, to include probable cases. This conflates and clusters test results creating a source of both under and overestimation. “COVID-19 deaths are identified using a new ICD-10 code. When COVID-19 is reported as a cause of death or when it is listed as a ‘probable’ or ‘presumed’ cause, it is coded as UO7.1 This can include cases with or without laboratory confirmation.” [emphasis added] All deaths of patients with a linkage to COVID-19 are now classified as “COVID-19 deaths regardless of cause or underlying health issues that could have contributed to loss of life.” - Dr. Deborah Birx Today, deaths from coronary disease, diabetes, morbid obesity, or pneumonia may be linked or connected to a COVID-19 positive test result. The operative words “linked” or “connected” provide little explanation of how they’re related or indicate what the presumed link entails. As the Wall Street Journal noted, “tabulating deaths is tricky. Some states count probable deaths for cases where there weren’t test results available, but where the deceased had symptoms of the disease.” https://www.acsh.org/news/2020/05/27/rethinking-covid-19-mortality-statistics-14811So even before we heard of COVID-19, death certificates were based on assumptions and educated guesses that go unquestioned. When it comes to COVID-19 there is the additional data skewer, that is –get this— there is no universal definition of COVID-19 death. The Centers for Disease Control, updated from yesterday, April 4th, still states that mortality, quote unquote, data includes both confirmed and presumptive positive cases of COVID-19. That’s from their website. Translation? The CDC counts both true COVID-19 cases and speculative guesses of COVID-19 the same. They call it death by COVID-19. They automatically overestimate the real death numbers, by their own admission. https://canadafreepress.com/article/the-cdc-confesses-to-lying-about-covid-19-death-numbersCDC says COVID-19 deaths are identified using a new ICD-10 code. When COVID-19 is reported as a cause of death –- or when it is listed as a “probable” or “presumed” cause —- the death is coded as U07.1. This can include cases with or without laboratory confirmation. https://www.cnsnews.com/article/national/susan-jones/cdc-covid-19-deaths-peaked-mid-april-down-86-week-ending-june-20 |
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I don’t know the validity of this and to what location this originated from but to be honest I don’t doubt it.
Switching lanes here, IMO the mask issue in public has run its course. It’s time to try something else, like no masks. Let the numbers spike and let the virus run it’s course through society. By all means each person can/should do as they see fit for their own benefit and individual needs but I think we’re going about this all wrong. Hospital, nursing home and healthcare individuals should continue to do what is necessary in those situations but the mandatory masks and continued closures are not being effective, the virus is still lingering. Fight fire with fire.
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Just this morning my wife learned through her Facebook chat stuff that someone posted about how C-19 patients in the hospital are tested every day and every day that info is posted as a new case.
I don’t know the validity of this and to what location this originated from but to be honest I don’t doubt it.
Switching lanes here, IMO the mask issue in public has run its course. It’s time to try something else, like no masks. Let the numbers spike and let the virus run it’s course through society. By all means each person can/should do as they see fit for their own benefit and individual needs but I think we’re going about this all wrong. Hospital, nursing home and healthcare individuals should continue to do what is necessary in those situations but the mandatory masks and continued closures are not being effective, the virus is still lingering. Fight fire with fire.
I have two relatives in the same assisted living home in NJ on is 88 and the other 91. the state has come in five times and done the swab test each time over the past five wks for all the residents. Every time all of the residents have tested positive, however none of the residents are sick or have been sick. That is how the governor keeps saying there is an increase in cases. the swap test is flawed, which I've posted many times, the test can be positive for other things and not just c19. here is a good read including what I've posted before that they are building a DNA database. https://www.weblyf.com/2020/05/coronavirus-the-truth-about-pcr-test-kit-from-the-inventor-and-other-experts/ |
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« Reply #1910 on: July 11, 2020, 05:52:08 AM » |
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« Reply #1911 on: July 11, 2020, 09:42:50 AM » |
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Here we go again. ATLANTA — Atlanta Mayor Keisha Lance Bottoms ordered all but essential businesses closed late Friday as coronavirus cases in the city and across Georgia hit record levels. Bottoms placed Atlanta back under Phase 1 stay-at-home guidelines just two days after imposing a mask-wearing mandate requiring people in the city to wear masks in all public places. Under Phase 1, which was in effect in Atlanta this spring until early May, residents are to make only essential trips such as going to the grocery store or pharmacy. Businesses such as restaurants and retail establishments are only allowed to provide curbside services. Gov. Brian Kemp, who has not issued a mask-wearing order statewide, criticized the mayor on Wednesday for imposing restrictions beyond what the state is requiring and did so again following Friday’s order. https://www.mdjonline.com/news/atlanta-mayor-reissues-stay-at-home-order-as-covid-19-cases-soar/article_720376f6-c30e-11ea-b0b1-9b7b9d471d28.html |
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« Reply #1912 on: July 11, 2020, 10:08:44 AM » |
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more evidence that the swab test is a rouse to fool the populace about increased cases of c19. the test just states there is a virus and cannot tell if it c19 or some other one. they are using to add to the UN Globalist and national DNA database. It has been estimated that there are over 380 trillion viruses inhabiting us, a community collectively known as the human virome. But these viruses are not the dangerous ones you commonly hear about, like those that cause the flu or the common cold, https://www.inverse.com/article/49747-what-is-the-human-virome |
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« Reply #1914 on: July 11, 2020, 12:07:34 PM » |
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more evidence that the swab test is a rouse to fool the populace about increased cases of c19. the test just states there is a virus and cannot tell if it c19 or some other one. they are using to add to the UN Globalist and national DNA database. It has been estimated that there are over 380 trillion viruses inhabiting us, a community collectively known as the human virome. But these viruses are not the dangerous ones you commonly hear about, like those that cause the flu or the common cold, https://www.inverse.com/article/49747-what-is-the-human-viromeI think I understand your point in this and previous posting in this thread. But I was wondering, even if you disregard the testing numbers, how do you account for the increased numbers being reported in NUMEROUS hospitals in the Sun Belt states, the critical shortage being reported in available ICU beds, max capacity of ICU beds at some hospitals and the reported deaths starting to rise in the last week or so. And these are not political reports or MSM blowing smoke as typical, these are video taped reports coming from Doctors, Nurses and Hospital Administrative Staff. And understand, I'm not trying to discredit what you posted, and I do agree that the reported testing numbers ALONE may not be prudent to use, but I was wondering about your position that they are being used to "fool the populace about increased cases of c19" From what I see and hear, there absolutely is a significant increase in new cases. |
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« Reply #1915 on: July 11, 2020, 12:42:34 PM » |
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Fight fire with fire. Surrender? See Is Herd Immunity a Pipe Dream? article posted above. I don’t understand your surrender comment. However I did read the article regarding Spain as well as the article regarding Sweden. It seems as though masks or no masks, shutting the nation down, closing businesses, schools and everything else is pointless. I believe even though we do have a nation of “unhealthy “ people, we are one of the best cared for and well inoculated nations out there. Regardless of how people feel about our healthcare system we are a very healthy nation as a whole. It’s funny how ok we shut down, some numbers dropped, the “infection “ seemed to slow down and nobody was getting sick but when we reopened some places the numbers suddenly began to rise. So anyone who may have been infected during the shutdown may or may not have been sick enough to be hospitalized but didn’t infect anyone else in their household OR these people with infection were able to be contained for weeks or so but still able to spread this virus. So either way this virus is still here and masks, quarantine, shut down does not matter. Open up everything, remove all mandatory restrictions and tell people to function at their own discretion, how they see fit to run their own lives. Let the chips fall where they may and fight the virus not try to keep it at an arms length away. |
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« Reply #1917 on: July 11, 2020, 12:54:50 PM » |
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Fight fire with fire. Surrender? See Is Herd Immunity a Pipe Dream? article posted above. I don’t understand your surrender comment. However I did read the article regarding Spain as well as the article regarding Sweden. It seems as though masks or no masks, shutting the nation down, closing businesses, schools and everything else is pointless. I believe even though we do have a nation of “unhealthy “ people, we are one of the best cared for and well inoculated nations out there. Regardless of how people feel about our healthcare system we are a very healthy nation as a whole. It’s funny how ok we shut down, some numbers dropped, the “infection “ seemed to slow down and nobody was getting sick but when we reopened some places the numbers suddenly began to rise. So anyone who may have been infected during the shutdown may or may not have been sick enough to be hospitalized but didn’t infect anyone else in their household OR these people with infection were able to be contained for weeks or so but still able to spread this virus. So either way this virus is still here and masks, quarantine, shut down does not matter. Open up everything, remove all mandatory restrictions and tell people to function at their own discretion, how they see fit to run their own lives. Let the chips fall where they may and fight the virus not try to keep it at an arms length away. I've been saying this since the end of May ... |
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« Reply #1918 on: July 11, 2020, 01:08:10 PM » |
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more evidence that the swab test is a rouse to fool the populace about increased cases of c19. the test just states there is a virus and cannot tell if it c19 or some other one. they are using to add to the UN Globalist and national DNA database. It has been estimated that there are over 380 trillion viruses inhabiting us, a community collectively known as the human virome. But these viruses are not the dangerous ones you commonly hear about, like those that cause the flu or the common cold, https://www.inverse.com/article/49747-what-is-the-human-viromeI think I understand your point in this and previous posting in this thread. But I was wondering, even if you disregard the testing numbers, how do you account for the increased numbers being reported in NUMEROUS hospitals in the Sun Belt states, the critical shortage being reported in available ICU beds, max capacity of ICU beds at some hospitals and the reported deaths starting to rise in the last week or so. And these are not political reports or MSM blowing smoke as typical, these are video taped reports coming from Doctors, Nurses and Hospital Administrative Staff. And understand, I'm not trying to discredit what you posted, and I do agree that the reported testing numbers ALONE may not be prudent to use, but I was wondering about your position that they are being used to "fool the populace about increased cases of c19" From what I see and hear, there absolutely is a significant increase in new cases. COVID-19 Statistics There are two fundamental points often ignored when referring to “the death toll from COVID-19.” There is no evidence or proof offered by any scientist, pathologist, or virologist that confirms COVID-19 as the “cause” of death in the certification process. An expanded definition of a “COVID-19 death” was enacted by the CDC on March 24th, to include probable cases. This conflates and clusters test results creating a source of both under and overestimation. “COVID-19 deaths are identified using a new ICD-10 code. When COVID-19 is reported as a cause of death or when it is listed as a ‘probable’ or ‘presumed’ cause, it is coded as UO7.1 This can include cases with or without laboratory confirmation.” [emphasis added] All deaths of patients with a linkage to COVID-19 are now classified as “COVID-19 deaths regardless of cause or underlying health issues that could have contributed to loss of life.” - Dr. Deborah Birx Today, deaths from coronary disease, diabetes, morbid obesity, or pneumonia may be linked or connected to a COVID-19 positive test result. The operative words “linked” or “connected” provide little explanation of how they’re related or indicate what the presumed link entails. As the Wall Street Journal noted, “tabulating deaths is tricky. Some states count probable deaths for cases where there weren’t test results available, but where the deceased had symptoms of the disease.” https://www.acsh.org/news/2020/05/27/rethinking-covid-19-mortality-statistics-14811 |
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« Reply #1919 on: July 11, 2020, 01:34:10 PM » |
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Fight fire with fire. Surrender? See Is Herd Immunity a Pipe Dream? article posted above. I don’t understand your surrender comment. Let me explain it. Experts smarter than you and I tend to agree that combating coronavirus is a multifaceted battle. The general consensus is: - Practice social distancing (not only the elderly and those with pre-existing conditions) - Wear masks in public, especially in situations where distancing is not possible (again not only the sick and elderly) - practice good hygiene including hand washing, avoiding touching face and regularly sanitizing shared surfaces. - Test, test, test! - Initiate contract tracing and quarantine if necessary. These are called mitigations. President Trump himself has reminded us, on many occasions, that we are at war with an invisible enemy. In order to win a war tactics must be agreed upon, troops must be on the same page, weapons must be utilized and strategy must be adhered to -- even if some minor adjustments to our everyday way of life are temporarily called for. Some nuisances. Now I don't give a hoot if you disagree with every mitigation mentioned above for whatever reason. I could personally care less if you mask up or refuse to wear 'em at all. I don't care if you cover sneezes and coughs or let them blow free. I don't wonder or worry about how many folks wash their hands regularly, or if they enthusiastically hug every stranger they meet. I am aware that many will, "do whatever they want, thank you very much". I'm not going judge that, this is 'merica, man! Still... Mitigations are how we will slow the spread of this enemy. Mitigations are how we can return to a healthy and robust economy more quickly. Mitigations (and eventually one or more vaccines) are the weapons we use to win this war. You wrote, "Let the numbers spike and let the virus run it’s course through society". You noted that after reading the herd immunity article you have come to the conclusion that lockdowns are, "pointless". You may be right there. I am discussing voluntary mitigations, not draconian mandated lockdowns! Like I said do whatever you want but I'll side with the experts when they say mitigations slow the spread, which is currently rampant in many states. They note that infections lead to community spread. Community spread, even if currently primarily among young adults, leads to sometimes overwhelming hospitalizations. Hospitalizations sometimes lead to deaths. These always lag behind the other in that order, often by weeks. Experts also emphasize that healthy young adults don't keep the virus to themselves. They share with the vulnerable. I say, mitigate, don't mandate! A national pursuit of herd immunity would be a long, tough and perhaps unachievable row to hoe. Maybe not for you personally, but for so many in our society. The more folks that mitigate, the less chances of mandates! To disregard mitigation altogether as a nation is to surrender as a nation. EDIT: Give a little whistle... Wow, I get nothing but Jiminy Cricket on that one. In-freaking-credible. |
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