Coronavirus $hit be getting real

[Serk]

Maybe we should do the same thing? *Wink*Wink*Nudge*Nudge*

New Zealand to delay election until October, citing coronavirus resurgence

https://www.foxnews.com/world/new-zealand-election-delay-october

[..]

https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/china-coronavirus-thousands-without-masks-party-at-wuhan-water-park-in-china-2280793


FFS!!!

[Jersey mike]

Russia has a proven vaccine. Why is this C-19 even still an issue.

Let’s move on to zombies with guns.

[The emperor has no clothes]

Russia has a proven vaccine. Why is this C-19 even still an issue.

Let’s move on to zombies with guns.

I am far from being some QAnon anti-vaxxer. But, there ain't no way I'm trusting a Russian vaccine !

[scooperhsd]

I'm NOT volunteering to be the guinea pig for it, for sure....

[Serk]

I had the Russian vaccine, and I feel great! No side effects at all, на самом деле, я думаю, что проголосую за Байдена, теперь это так хорошо сработало! Апельсиновый человек плохой!

[hubcapsc]

I had the Russian vaccine, and I feel great! No side effects at all, на самом деле, я думаю, что проголосую за Байдена, теперь это так хорошо сработало! Апельсиновый человек плохой!

не делай этого кемосабе!

-Mike

[Serk]

не делай этого кемосабе!

-Mike

Ничего страшного, я не тонто!

[Willow]

I had the Russian vaccine, and I feel great! No side effects at all, на самом деле, я думаю, что проголосую за Байдена, теперь это так хорошо сработало! Апельсиновый человек плохой!

Please don't vote for that man, Serk.

(And Tonto was the one who said, "Kemo Sabe."  He was speaking when he sad that to the Lone Ranger.)

[The emperor has no clothes]

I had the Russian vaccine, and I feel great! No side effects at all, на самом деле, я думаю, что проголосую за Байдена, теперь это так хорошо сработало! Апельсиновый человек плохой!

Please don't vote for that man, Serk.

(And Tonto was the one who said, "Kemo Sabe."  He was speaking when he sad that to the Lone Ranger.)

Tonto was always cheerful 

[Serk]

I had the Russian vaccine, and I feel great! No side effects at all, на самом деле, я думаю, что проголосую за Байдена, теперь это так хорошо сработало! Апельсиновый человек плохой!

Please don't vote for that man, Serk.

(And Tonto was the one who said, "Kemo Sabe."  He was speaking when he sad that to the Lone Ranger.)

Я почти уверен, что не буду, это влияние русской вакцины. Все мы знаем, что Байден - это тот, кого коммунисты всего мира, от России до Китая, предпочитают, наноботы, которыми они меня внедрили, контролируют меня, но я победлю. Я только надеюсь, что все те, кто был заражен вирусом коммунизма, тоже смогут победить и проголосовать за Трампа!

[Serk]

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[Jersey mike]

Вы, ребята, перестаньте, все эти переводы сводят меня с ума. давайте все сделаем прививку и прокатимся на медведе.

Я понятия не имею, как перевести этот компьютерный код.

[Serk]

Вы, ребята, перестаньте, все эти переводы сводят меня с ума. давайте все сделаем прививку и прокатимся на медведе.

Я понятия не имею, как перевести этот компьютерный код.

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[Jess from VA]

HIKE!!   

[Jersey mike]

Вы, ребята, перестаньте, все эти переводы сводят меня с ума. давайте все сделаем прививку и прокатимся на медведе.

Я понятия не имею, как перевести этот компьютерный код.

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Ok ok, stop it 

This is what you made me think of;

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=q_8amMzGAx4

[Willow]

Я почти уверен, что не буду, это влияние русской вакцины. Все мы знаем, что Байден - это тот, кого коммунисты всего мира, от России до Китая, предпочитают, наноботы, которыми они меня внедрили, контролируют меня, но я победлю. Я только надеюсь, что все те, кто был заражен вирусом коммунизма, тоже смогут победить и проголосовать за Трампа!

Good to hear, Serk.  Keep fighting the 'bots.  We're counting on your win.

[Jersey mike]

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I think I found the answer

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=q_8amMzGAx4

Watch the whole thing or fast forward to 1:06

[Serk]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-MJy7w69EU

[Jersey mike]

https://www.theblaze.com/op-ed/horowitz-coronavirus-hospitalizations-lowest-pandemic-wheres-exit-strategy

“ Anticipating the coming of a de facto herd immunity threshold even before some questionable vaccine is delivered, some in the media are now scaring people into thinking there is no long-term immunity because antibodies wane over time. However, what they fail to reveal is that the same T cell immunity (even without antibodies) that prevented serious infection the first time around in most people because they already came into contact with other coronavirus pathogens, will most certainly work after having contracted this specific virus.”

“Even the New York Times wrote an article titled, "Scientists See Signs of Lasting Immunity to Covid-19, Even After Mild Infections thanks to B Cells and T cells."

"Yes, you do develop immunity to this virus, and good immunity to this virus," said Dr. Eun-Hyung Lee, an immunologist at Emory University who was not involved in the studies. "That's the message we want to get out there."

“So why are our government officials immune to good news and why do they continue pre-emptively crushing our liberties without an expiration date? Sadly, there is no herd immunity or vaccine against an epidemic of power and control when its primary symptom is panic driven by herd mentality.“

[Valkorado]

COVID-19 Currently The Third Leading Cause Of Death In The United States

https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20200818/covid-the-third-leading-cause-of-death-in-the-us

[Willow]

COVID-19 Currently The Third Leading Cause Of Death In The United States

https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20200818/covid-the-third-leading-cause-of-death-in-the-us

"Last week, Americans were eight times more likely to get killed by COVID than were Europeans," he said.

Wow!  Does that statement cause anyone else to wonder?  As to that and the original claim that COVID-19 is now the 3rd leading cause of death in the U.S., could it be because people dying of drug overdose and motorcycle wrecks are being listed as COVID-19 deaths?

[Jersey mike]

COVID-19 Currently The Third Leading Cause Of Death In The United States

https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20200818/covid-the-third-leading-cause-of-death-in-the-us

"Last week, Americans were eight times more likely to get killed by COVID than were Europeans," he said.

Wow!  Does that statement cause anyone else to wonder?  As to that and the original claim that COVID-19 is now the 3rd leading cause of death in the U.S., could it be because people dying of drug overdose and motorcycle wrecks are being listed as COVID-19 deaths?

I’m wondering and am perplexed.

[Valkorado]

COVID-19 Currently The Third Leading Cause Of Death In The United States

https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20200818/covid-the-third-leading-cause-of-death-in-the-us

"Last week, Americans were eight times more likely to get killed by COVID than were Europeans," he said.

Wow!  Does that statement cause anyone else to wonder?  As to that and the original claim that COVID-19 is now the 3rd leading cause of death in the U.S., could it be because people dying of drug overdose and motorcycle wrecks are being listed as COVID-19 deaths?

I’m wondering and am perplexed.

Ask the Dr., maybe he'll take the time to reply to your question.

Another of those pesky experts spewing her idiotic opinions here.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/deborah-birx-us-coronavirus-lockdown-italy-death-rate-white-house-a9675811.html

Reading Dr. Birx's statements, one could interpret that America's resistance to prohibition and mitigation may have had had a bigger effect on COVID's spread and resulting death toll than all the miscategorized motorcycle wrecks and drug overdoses combined.

[Jersey mike]

COVID-19 Currently The Third Leading Cause Of Death In The United States

https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20200818/covid-the-third-leading-cause-of-death-in-the-us

"Last week, Americans were eight times more likely to get killed by COVID than were Europeans," he said.

Wow!  Does that statement cause anyone else to wonder?  As to that and the original claim that COVID-19 is now the 3rd leading cause of death in the U.S., could it be because people dying of drug overdose and motorcycle wrecks are being listed as COVID-19 deaths?

I’m wondering and am perplexed.

Ask the Dr., maybe he'll take the time to reply to your question.

Another of those pesky experts spewing her idiotic opinions here.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/deborah-birx-us-coronavirus-lockdown-italy-death-rate-white-house-a9675811.html

As a person of Italian heritage, specifically Sicilian, I love my heritage but to be honest that may have been the best thing that country did in 1000 years for themselves. Being that that country is borderline a 3rd world nation and doesn’t have the world economic responsibility we do. The shutting down of a country is more than just a whim and wishful thinking.

It certainly amuses me how the success Sweden has had goes by quietly with any press and yet life goes on there.

[Willow]

Ask the Dr., maybe he'll take the time to reply to your question.

Another of those pesky experts spewing her idiotic opinions here.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/deborah-birx-us-coronavirus-lockdown-italy-death-rate-white-house-a9675811.html  

She refers to her measures as efforts to slow the pandemic.  Slow, not stop.  How much damage to the economy and social structure is it worth to "slow" the spread.  What difference does it really make whether a half million people die over six months or over a year and a half?

The problem with measures suggested by epidemiologists or other "expert" doctors is that they're focused on the single objective of fighting the virus.  They have no concern or knowledge of what their suggested mitigations will do to the economy and social structure.  They don't even seem to be considering the number of people that will die as a result of their mitigation requirements.  Those risks should be known to medical experts or at least to some medical experts.

I don't consider them idiots but I do consider them ill suited for the attention and the faith in their advice that is thrown their way.    

[The emperor has no clothes]

As a person of Italian heritage, specifically Sicilian, I love my heritage but to be honest that may have been the best thing that country did in 1000 years for themselves. Being that that country is borderline a 3rd world nation and doesn’t have the world economic responsibility we do.

We were over there a while back. They are no where close to any of the 3rd world countries I've been to. Now granted, we didn't get any further south than Milan. But all of northern Italy that I saw was very developed.

[Jess from VA]

Italy and Sicily may be politically connected, but they are hardly the same place.

I traveled in the East and South of Sicily near no big towns, and like much of Turkey, it is often like going back 2000 years in history.  The Turks and Sicilians have very different religions but they have remarkably similar ideas about justice, respect, and rather harsh treatment for disrespect.   

[Valkorado]

Ask the Dr., maybe he'll take the time to reply to your question.

Another of those pesky experts spewing her idiotic opinions here.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/deborah-birx-us-coronavirus-lockdown-italy-death-rate-white-house-a9675811.html  

She refers to her measures as efforts to slow the pandemic.  Slow, not stop.  How much damage to the economy and social structure is it worth to "slow" the spread.  What difference does it really make whether a half million people die over six months or over a year and a half?

The problem with measures suggested by epidemiologists or other "expert" doctors is that they're focused on the single objective of fighting the virus.  They have no concern or knowledge of what their suggested mitigations will do to the economy and social structure.  They don't even seem to be considering the number of people that will die as a result of their mitigation requirements.  Those risks should be known to medical experts or at least to some medical experts.

I don't consider them idiots but I do consider them ill suited for the attention and the faith in their advice that is thrown their way.    

Ya, her knowledge is obviously limited to her field.

I feel blessed there are savants such as yourself who have unlimited knowledge regarding virology and the economic impact of C-19.  What would our nation do without the benefit of your expertise?

[Willow]

Ya, her knowledge is obviously limited to her field.

I feel blessed there are savants such as yourself who have unlimited knowledge regarding virology and the economic impact of C-19.  What would our nation do without the benefit of your expertise?

I think we've seen what our nation has done without the benefit of my expertise.  We shut down the economy; went into mandated isolation; demanded ridiculous behaviors and still we hear the report that our country's infections and death rate have exceeded anyone else's.  In response to this announcement the experts have advised that if we had done more of the efforts that so exceedingly failed we would be much better off.  Does that make any sense to you?

We'll have to go on doing the best we can without my perspective.  Our country has not asked for my advice or offered to hire my expertise.   

[Valkorado]

Ya, her knowledge is obviously limited to her field.

I feel blessed there are savants such as yourself who have unlimited knowledge regarding virology and the economic impact of C-19.  What would our nation do without the benefit of your expertise?

I think we've seen what our nation has done without the benefit of my expertise.  We shut down the economy; went into mandated isolation; demanded ridiculous behaviors and still we hear the report that our country's infections and death rate have exceeded anyone else's.  In response to this announcement the experts have advised that if we had done more of the efforts that so exceedingly failed we would be much better off.  Does that make any sense to you?

We'll have to go on doing the best we can without my perspective.  Our country has not asked for my advice or offered to hire my expertise.  

It seems obvious that a national resistance to expert recommended voluntary mitigations -- a resistance often coming from folks who declare such mitigations ridiculous -- has had a detrimental affect on America's C-19 numbers and our progress toward getting the virus under control.

If we truly want the economy to come barrelling back, we need to get some control over the virus.  The entire global economy is currently on shaky ground.  Of course I fully understand that if you were Earth's Emperor the economy would be booming. Full speed ahead!  Damn the torpedoes!  But I digress...

Until C-19 is under some semblance of control, our economy will be slow to rebound.  Period.

It is what it is.

[Jersey mike]

As a person of Italian heritage, specifically Sicilian, I love my heritage but to be honest that may have been the best thing that country did in 1000 years for themselves. Being that that country is borderline a 3rd world nation and doesn’t have the world economic responsibility we do.

We were over there a while back. They are no where close to any of the 3rd world countries I've been to. Now granted, we didn't get any further south than Milan. But all of northern Italy that I saw was very developed.

I know 9 couples who traveled to Italy in the past 4 years, they all say the same thing and one couple was there for an extended time. The northern part is fairly modern and developed but the south, not so much.

The economic differences are like day and night between the north and south which is part of the problem. The crushing debt the nation carries, the extreme taxes the people pay to cover the bills of socialism they are the highest they can be. Granted the healthcare is good but in no way is Italy a beacon of prosperity.  Like I said, given some of the bordering countries locking that country down was probably the smartest thing Italy has done in centuries.

[Jersey mike]

Ya, her knowledge is obviously limited to her field.

I feel blessed there are savants such as yourself who have unlimited knowledge regarding virology and the economic impact of C-19.  What would our nation do without the benefit of your expertise?

I think we've seen what our nation has done without the benefit of my expertise.  We shut down the economy; went into mandated isolation; demanded ridiculous behaviors and still we hear the report that our country's infections and death rate have exceeded anyone else's.  In response to this announcement the experts have advised that if we had done more of the efforts that so exceedingly failed we would be much better off.  Does that make any sense to you?

We'll have to go on doing the best we can without my perspective.  Our country has not asked for my advice or offered to hire my expertise.  

It seems obvious that a national resistance to expert recommended voluntary mitigations -- a resistance often coming from folks who declare such mitigations ridiculous -- has had a detrimental affect on America's C-19 numbers and our progress toward getting the virus under control.

If we truly want the economy to come barrelling back, we need to get some control over the virus.  The entire global economy is currently on shaky ground.  Of course I fully understand that if you were Earth's Emperor the economy would be booming. Full speed ahead!  Damn the torpedoes!  But I digress...

Until C-19 is under some semblance of control, our economy will be slow to rebound.  Period.

It is what it is.

As I’ve said before, it’s nice to be a scientist when all you need to do is be concerned with your own little part of the world...the science world. It’s easy for a scientist to say shut everything down, no blowback falls on their lap from people losing jobs, money or anything else. Scientists paid by government money still get paid every week. The good thing about being a scientist is they don’t “live in the present”, they live in either the past or future. Running a nation is a day to day operation.

Now as for numbers and this stupid flu bug. What’s the big deal?

Here’s some numbers nobody cried about or raised concerns with.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr68/nvsr68_09-508.pdf  Page 6

2017 USA death totals

Heart disease 647,457

Cancer 599,108

Unintentional Accidents 169,936

Chronic lower respiratory disease 160,201

Cerebrovascular diseases  146,383

Alzheimer’s 121,404

Diabetes 83,564

The flu and pneumonia 55,672

Suicide 47,173

Liver disease 41,743

Septicemia 40,922

Essential hypertension and hypertensive renal disease 35,316

Parkinson’s 31,963

Pneumonitis due to solids and liquids 20,108

And one of my favorite categories.....ALL OTHER CAUSES....RESIDUAL 561,920

For a grand total of 2,813,503

Now this has been discussed ad nauseam how people with UNDERLYING CONDITIONS are the most susceptible to the C-19 flu. So pick a category and choose how many who “died from C-19” weren’t already on the grim reapers list to go.

Me I got lucky, my father-in-law has major heart disease and Alzheimer’s but still avoided his date with death. I don’t know how or why but his facility had only 1 suspected case this entire time. Now he gets to continue on with his deteriorating issues and my wife can still be sad, miserable and guilty while the rest of her siblings just roll on with life. If he’d have been in a different facility he probably would have been relived of all his problems by natural selection and my wife and I could get some peace.

So for all the people who are panicking, maybe they should have been taking better care of themselves before this hit plus being old doesn’t help either but it’s certainly not a deal breaker like heart disease or chronic respiratory disease.

UNDERLYING CONDITIONS are the major cause of dying from C-19, not the flu itself, because that’s all this is, a new strain of flu, nothing else. 99.7% of the country has not died, nor will they.



https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/deaths.htm


Number of deaths for leading causes of death:
Heart disease: 647,457
Cancer: 599,108
Accidents (unintentional injuries): 169,936
Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 160,201
Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 146,383
Alzheimer’s disease: 121,404
Diabetes: 83,564
Influenza and Pneumonia: 55,672
Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome and nephrosis: 50,633
Intentional self-harm (suicide): 47,173
Source: Deaths: Final Data for 2017, table B pdf icon[PDF – 2 MB]

[Jersey mike]

1 person out of 120 had to be hospitalized.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/coronavirus-outbreak-seattle-fishing-boat-insight-immunity

0.0083%

[Willow]

It seems obvious that a national resistance to expert recommended voluntary mitigations -- a resistance often coming from folks who declare such mitigations ridiculous -- has had a detrimental affect on America's C-19 numbers and our progress toward getting the virus under control.

If we truly want the economy to come barrelling back, we need to get some control over the virus.  The entire global economy is currently on shaky ground.  Of course I fully understand that if you were Earth's Emperor the economy would be booming. Full speed ahead!  Damn the torpedoes!  But I digress...

Until C-19 is under some semblance of control, our economy will be slow to rebound.  Period.

It is what it is. 

Obvious?  To whom?  Voluntary mitigations?  Such as shutting down businesses?  Such as governors' orders that everyone in public be masked?  I have no problem with voluntary but so much of this does not fit that category.

COVID-19 under control?  Are we blowing smoke up our own skirts?  Is the annual flu under control?  Is cancer under control? Are accidental deaths under control? 

Interestingly none of the attempted mitigations are expected to "control" the disease but only to slow the spread.  They were originally pursued to avoid a predicted hospital overrun that didn't happen in 99% of the country.  Somehow after the "mitigations" were put into effect the message was changed to say they were saving people's lives.  Opposition to the shutdowns and forced behavior were then painted as cruel and heartless rather than practical and realistic.

You repeatedly through your sarcasm attack my intelligence assuming that I should just drop into line and follow the advice of those you are assuming are intellectually superior to me.  I don't consider them necessarily so.  The advice you think we all should unquestionably obey is in a stream of failed projections and assumptions.  We are being herded like so many thoughtless animals by people and organizations, primarily the "news" media, who have instilled within us a sense of panic based upon erroneous projections and poorly based guesses.  Such is demonstrated by your own "obvious" observation.

We are not going to get this virus "under control".  The good news is that the tragic impact of this virus will be much less than is being projected and presented to us.  It will be nice if we can develop a vaccine.     

I tend to agree with your last emphatic statement with one meaningful exception:

Until the panic over C-19 is under some semblance of control, our economy will be slow to rebound.  Period.
   

[Valkorado]

Remember, were talking daily deaths.  In the midst of a pandemic, it is not surprising to learn that C-19 is a leading cause of death.  Will it be around forever like heart disease and cancer?  Let's hope not.

April US (most recent graphic I could find, daily C-19 death rate is currently higher in US).

[Serk]

Prime Minister of Australia advocates mandatory vaccinations...

https://news.yahoo.com/coronavirus-vaccine-mandatory-australia-pm-021619600.html

[Valkorado]

It seems obvious that a national resistance to expert recommended voluntary mitigations -- a resistance often coming from folks who declare such mitigations ridiculous -- has had a detrimental affect on America's C-19 numbers and our progress toward getting the virus under control.

If we truly want the economy to come barrelling back, we need to get some control over the virus.  The entire global economy is currently on shaky ground.  Of course I fully understand that if you were Earth's Emperor the economy would be booming. Full speed ahead!  Damn the torpedoes!  But I digress...

Until C-19 is under some semblance of control, our economy will be slow to rebound.  Period.

It is what it is.  

Obvious?  To whom?  Voluntary mitigations?  Such as shutting down businesses?  Such as governors' orders that everyone in public be masked?  I have no problem with voluntary but so much of this does not fit that category.

COVID-19 under control?  Are we blowing smoke up our own skirts?  Is the annual flu under control?  Is cancer under control? Are accidental deaths under control?  

Interestingly none of the attempted mitigations are expected to "control" the disease but only to slow the spread.  They were originally pursued to avoid a predicted hospital overrun that didn't happen in 99% of the country.  Somehow after the "mitigations" were put into effect the message was changed to say they were saving people's lives.  Opposition to the shutdowns and forced behavior were then painted as cruel and heartless rather than practical and realistic.

You repeatedly through your sarcasm attack my intelligence assuming that I should just drop into line and follow the advice of those you are assuming are intellectually superior to me.  I don't consider them necessarily so.  The advice you think we all should unquestionably obey is in a stream of failed projections and assumptions.  We are being herded like so many thoughtless animals by people and organizations, primarily the "news" media, who have instilled within us a sense of panic based upon erroneous projections and poorly based guesses.  Such is demonstrated by your own "obvious" observation.

We are not going to get this virus "under control".  The good news is that the tragic impact of this virus will be much less than is being projected and presented to us.  It will be nice if we can develop a vaccine.    

I tend to agree with your last emphatic statement with one meaningful exception:

Until the panic over C-19 is under some semblance of control, our economy will be slow to rebound.  Period.
    

So, quit panicking and shake that economy jump start magic wand.  And quit wearing your skirt.  It's unbecoming.  

BTW, I have never asked anyone to, "drop into line".  I have often said I don't support mandates.  Do what you want to do, wear what you want to wear.

I do think our country is inherently unique, and that freedom has a definite affect on the numbers we are generating.  I cherish our freedoms.  

I don't have all the answers, and I don't have one of those economy boosting magic wands either.  I agree that it will be "nice" if a safe and effective vaccine is developed.

[Willow]

So, quit panicking and shake that economy jump start magic wand.  And quit wearing your skirt.  It's unbecoming.    

LOL!  I used the first person plural to indicate a group activity of which not every member of the group is necessarily participating.  It's sort of like we elected a President or we killed 38,000 people in automobile accidents.

Please don't tell Serk that thing about the skirt being unbecoming.   

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Another forum I'm on - one of them thought he needed to explain "Exponentially increasing" to me. Not only did I disavow him of the notion that I needed to have that explained to me, I turned it around on him and said C-19 is an exponentially  increasing, and no matter what we do to "stop it", it will explode again as soon as any mitigation measures are slipped. You can imagine how well that went over, especially when I had also said that we should just let it run so we acquire herd immunity. Then I get accused of being cruel and heartless about the numbers that would generate - I replied "I look at things in the macro - not the micro view you are focused on" - that was another one of those moments.