Coronavirus $hit be getting real

[Valkorado]

We Are Nowhere Near COVID-19 Herd Immunity, WHO Warns

https://www.sciencetimes.com/articles/26943/20200819/nowhere-near-covid-19-herd-immunity-who-warns.htm

[Jersey mike]

How does one expect to achieve herd immunity if everyone is continuously told to cover up, stay home, wear a mask and avoid crowds and don’t go to school? It’s all counterproductive. It makes no sense.

If governors, the media, and all the other politicians would stop all the fear mongering we could be well on our way to herd immunity.

Cities like NYC could be back streaming with thousands of people walking the streets, taking subway and trains. Tens of thousands every night would be sitting in baseball Stadiums or basketball or hockey  arenas. Tens of thousands would be in attendance every Sunday at NASCAR or NHRA events across the nation. Amusement parks across the country could be packed to normal capacity and airports and airlines could be back at normal levels with hundreds of thousands of people crossing paths in airports across the nation.

But NO, all that having fun and being normal isn’t allowed anymore because of the flu, and some people might die. A few rotten apples spoil it for the rest of the nation. God forbid we let nature take its course and let do what nature does best....SCIENCE AFTER ALL...PROVEN SCIENCE....let our bodies build a natural immunity. That’s not good enough science. The only science that works right now is what the media and politicians say is good science.

NJ has 36 states with which people need to self quarantine for 2 weeks if they come here and we still have no indoor dining. If you want to go out to eat, you have to eat outside, in a parking lot, with bugs, flies and mosquitoes, the sound of the highway, idling cars or trucks waiting for a food pickup order and the glorious odor of the dumpster. Gyms still haven’t opened up nor have martial arts businesses.

Again I defer to Sweden who has fared no worse than we. Whose children are in school and aren’t dropping dead in the classrooms and teachers aren’t getting infected.

All this bs for 0.02% of the population who were at the most risk of dying under normal circumstances.

[hubcapsc]

If you want to go out to eat, you have to eat outside, in a parking lot, with bugs, flies and mosquitoes, the sound of the highway, idling cars or trucks waiting for a food pickup order and the glorious odor of the dumpster.

There's a mix of eat-in eat-out around here... I was "in" some places while at InZane...
Weekly me and Carolyn eat "out" at our favorite (for 30 years) BBQ. They don't
have "eat-in", since the requirements of spaced out seating would require them to
limit their customers and hire extra workers to do all that extra wiping down of stuff
between customers. They are only open on Friday and Saturday (its not real BBQ if
it is open every day  ) and the customers generally call in their orders and pull up
to the front door where Marion, the owner, brings out their food wearing a cowboy-robber
bandana. Most all of the current customers (maybe it has always been this way) live nearby,
they rush home with their food, but Carolyn and I live 45 minutes away. We eat there in
Carolyn's SUV, we pull off into the grass in the shade. Marion usually brings us some more
tea if there's not a line of cars at the door (there's never more than two or three). Of course,
all this would be intolerable if there was bugs, flies and mosquitoes, the sound of the highway,
idling cars or trucks waiting for a food pickup order and the glorious odor of the dumpster.
As it is it is a pretty smooth operation and we enjoy our weekly BBQ date and making the best
of the weird new "normal" of being met at the door by the cowboy-robber...



The bluegrass place a couple of miles down the street from here still has bluegrass
on Saturday nights... I've gone in there a couple of times recently... it hasn't been
"packed" like this either time... there's fewer chairs and they're spaced out with
some left intentionally vacant.



I'm in the front row wearing a white Joe Boyd shirt in this youtube video... the
older fellow singing "It's Hard to be Humble" is a real hoot  ... he
doesn't play fancy guitar, but his d-28 cuts through and can compete
with banjos...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eb6bWhouGIY

-Mike

[Jersey mike]

https://www.theblaze.com/op-ed/horowitz-study-weak-asymptomatic-coronavirus-transmission

Just a portion of the article;

The study's authors conclude not only that asymptomatic transmitters compose only a tiny slice of the spread, but that the rate of transmission increases with the severity of the illness, further validating the strategy of focusing on the sick, not the healthy:

The secondary attack rate increased with the severity of index cases, from 0.3% (CI, 0.0 to 1.0%) for asymptomatic to 3.3% (CI, 1.8% to 4.8%) for mild, 5.6% (CI, 4.4% to 6.8%) for moderate, and 6.2% (CI, 3.2% to 9.1%) for severe or critical cases (P for trend < 0.001). Manifestation of certain symptoms, such as fever (6.7% [CI, 5.3 to 8.0] vs. 3.3% [CI, 1.6 to 4.9]) and expectoration (13.6% [CI, 10.6 to 16.7] vs. 3.0% [CI, 2.1 to 3.9]), in the index cases was associated with an increased risk for infection in their close contacts.
Researchers also found, as other studies have already concluded, that most of the secondary infections occurred among household members. Thus, putting together the low rate of asymptomatic transmission with the fact that most cases (of all severity levels) are spread in the home, why should we destroy our civilization over the concern of asymptomatic spread? Where is the evidence that a non-symptomatic individual merely passing someone for a few seconds in a store will transmit the virus?

One might dismiss this study because it was conducted by Chinese researchers, but if there is a political bias in Chinese research, wouldn't it be skewed to the side that says asymptomatic people spread the virus?

Let's not forget that the World Health Organization said in May that asymptomatic spread was "very rare." Then, like any time a major scientific figure reveals the truth, the WHO suddenly recanted that position when the media raised a howl. But the "experts" never explained where the evidence exists to show major community spread through asymptomatic individuals.

A U.S.-based study from the University of Florida, Gainesville Department of Biostatistics, observed similar low rates of transmission among the asymptomatic. They found symptomatic individuals transmitted the virus at rate 28 times higher than asymptomatic individuals. Another Chinese study from May found very weak transmission capability among asymptomatic infections.

[Jersey mike]

https://patch.com/new-jersey/brick/gov-murphy-nixes-regional-reopen-restarting-gyms-indoor-dining

Portions from article;

“ NEW JERSEY – Gov. Phil Murphy has once again rejected growing calls from the business industry and lawmakers to reopen on a regional basis, and he's pushing back against demands to reopen gyms and indoor dining.”

“ The letter goes on to say that it's "disheartening" that the governor fails to acknowledge that the reopening is more critically about the return of livelihoods for thousands of our business owners."

"It is about saving their personal investments borne of years of sweat equity, the hundreds of thousands of jobs they provide and all they bring to the state's economy," the letter said. "It's about predictability and being able to plan – the hallmarks of any business endeavor. And it's also about the mental health of those struggling to survive, and those who are shut in."

“Murphy, during his Wednesday news conference, did indicate that he's closer to reopening gyms than indoor dining.”

“The letter goes on to say that it's "disheartening" that the governor fails to acknowledge that the reopening is more critically about the return of livelihoods for thousands of our business owners."

"It is about saving their personal investments borne of years of sweat equity, the hundreds of thousands of jobs they provide and all they bring to the state's economy," the letter said. "It's about predictability and being able to plan – the hallmarks of any business endeavor. And it's also about the mental health of those struggling to survive, and those who are shut in."

“Murphy, during his Wednesday news conference, did indicate that he's closer to reopening gyms than indoor dining.“

“Murphy said he would guess that both types of businesses would not be able to open at the same time because masks can be worn continuously at gyms, but not in restaurants.”

“Murphy said he would guess that both types of businesses would not be able to open at the same time because masks can be worn continuously at gyms, but not in restaurants.”

[Valkorado]

But NO, all that having fun and being normal isn’t allowed anymore because of the flu, and some people might die. A few rotten apples spoil it for the rest of the nation. God forbid we let nature take its course and let do what nature does best....

Yeah, damn those "few" rotten apples who have gotten sick or even died from C-19.  Those dregs of society have stolen away all our fun!  They are being selfish and should gratefully walk the coronavirus plank for the betterment of humanity.

Darwin up, man!

[..]

https://www.france24.com/en/20200820-china-faces-questions-over-vaccinated-workers-sent-overseas

[Jersey mike]

But NO, all that having fun and being normal isn’t allowed anymore because of the flu, and some people might die. A few rotten apples spoil it for the rest of the nation. God forbid we let nature take its course and let do what nature does best....

Yeah, damn those "few" rotten apples who have gotten sick or even died from C-19.  Those dregs of society have stolen away all our fun!  They are being selfish and should gratefully walk the coronavirus plank for the betterment of humanity.

Darwin up, man!

Natural selection, it works. The weak, old, diseased and frail are removed from the pack so the strong survive. That’s the evolution of all life always has been since the beginning of time. The strong survive.

[The emperor has no clothes]

All this talk of us being deprived of fun makes me wonder what our grandparents would think. I wonder if they were asked to give up some "fun" ? Things must have been a lot easier during the Depression and WWII than my grandmother told me about.


It appears global warming has been reversed. The proliferation of "snowflakes" is growing exponentially.

[baldo]

All this talk of us being deprived of fun makes me wonder what our grandparents would think. I wonder if they were asked to give up some "fun" ? Things must have been a lot easier during the Depression and WWII than my grandmother told me about.


It appears global warming has been reversed. The proliferation of "snowflakes" is growing exponentially.

LOLOL

[baldo]

Natural selection, it works. The weak, old, diseased and frail are removed from the pack so the strong survive. That’s the evolution of all life always has been since the beginning of time. The strong survive.

That is snuggling pathetic. Kudos.

[Serk]

The science is indisputable: full upper body shields contain the Virus much more effectively than masks alone. If you’re still out there only wearing a mask, please explain why you feel it’s OK to be so selfish that you’re willing to risk causing someone else’s death.





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[baldo]

The science is indisputable: full upper body shields contain the Virus much more effectively than masks alone. If you’re still out there only wearing a mask, please explain why you feel it’s OK to be so selfish that you’re willing to risk causing someone else’s death.





Get yours now! Only $79.99!..... unless you want to kill grandma?

https://utwpods.com/products/shieldpod

Wow......

[Jersey mike]

All this talk of us being deprived of fun makes me wonder what our grandparents would think. I wonder if they were asked to give up some "fun" ? Things must have been a lot easier during the Depression and WWII than my grandmother told me about.


It appears global warming has been reversed. The proliferation of "snowflakes" is growing exponentially.

Travel wasn’t restricted, quarantine mandates were not implemented, sports still happened, schools were still open, businesses were not restricted from functioning, people were not restricted from gathering, churches or temples were never closed, people were still out in the streets in numbers. The depression was brutal on society as a whole but did not have the politicians dictate to the citizens what they were and were not allowed to do.

98.8% of the population is being dictated to for the benefit of 0.02% of the population who have health conditions that make THEM a risk to possibly die.


I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again. Any person who is too concerned should stay home. No person will be forced to go to a restaurant. No person will be forced to go out in public but the rest of the nation should be up and running under normal operating conditions with zero conditions.

[Jersey mike]

Natural selection, it works. The weak, old, diseased and frail are removed from the pack so the strong survive. That’s the evolution of all life always has been since the beginning of time. The strong survive.

That is snuggling pathetic. Kudos.

For you pathetic...from me to you, the truth hurts and what I said is the truth of the matter which so many people are too afraid to come out and say because it’s mean or unsympathetic. To that all,I can do is shrug my shoulders until there’s a real issue out there. Right now, there is no reason for the hysteria and continued nation wide restrictions.

[Valkorado]

The science is indisputable: full upper body shields contain the Virus much more effectively than masks alone. If you’re still out there only wearing a mask, please explain why you feel it’s OK to be so selfish that you’re willing to risk causing someone else’s death.





Get yours now! Only $79.99!..... unless you want to kill grandma?

https://utwpods.com/products/shieldpod

Not sure about that purpose, but it looks water resistant and collapsible.  Willow might want to toss one in his saddlebag for those sudden rainstorms, being that he's not "in" to windshields!  It might bring about too much comfort for his liking, tho.  Rumor has it the guy hates comfort.  I hear he requests beds of nails at motels.  

[baldo]

Natural selection, it works. The weak, old, diseased and frail are removed from the pack so the strong survive. That’s the evolution of all life always has been since the beginning of time. The strong survive.

That is snuggling pathetic. Kudos.

For you pathetic...from me to you, the truth hurts and what I said is the truth of the matter which so many people are too afraid to come out and say because it’s mean or unsympathetic. To that all,I can do is shrug my shoulders until there’s a real issue out there. Right now, there is no reason for the hysteria and continued nation wide restrictions.

170,000+ might disagree with you. You're the only one I see espousing such a disgusting position. Would you feel the same if someone close to you caught it?

[Valkorado]

Natural selection, it works. The weak, old, diseased and frail are removed from the pack so the strong survive. That’s the evolution of all life always has been since the beginning of time. The strong survive.

That is snuggling pathetic. Kudos.

For you pathetic...from me to you, the truth hurts and what I said is the truth of the matter which so many people are too afraid to come out and say because it’s mean or unsympathetic. To that all,I can do is shrug my shoulders until there’s a real issue out there. Right now, there is no reason for the hysteria and continued nation wide restrictions.

Well hell, Mike, let's just toss out all medications and therapeutics mankind has developed throughout history then. All cures and vaccines, all antibiotics, medications and remedies. We need to see great resurgences in dreaded diseases like  typhoid, TB, measles, polio and the like.  Let cancer, heart disease and other maladies run rampant and unchecked. In fact, let's just get rid of the entire medical field -- that'll save us some big bucks there!  Might as well quit worrying about human advancements like hygiene, sanitation and refrigeration too.  Let's see if we can reverse our quality of life and predicted lifespan as well.  40 can be the new 80 again!  Only the strongest of the strong will be around.

In a few thousand years we may be like a superhuman race!

[Jersey mike]

Natural selection, it works. The weak, old, diseased and frail are removed from the pack so the strong survive. That’s the evolution of all life always has been since the beginning of time. The strong survive.

That is snuggling pathetic. Kudos.

For you pathetic...from me to you, the truth hurts and what I said is the truth of the matter which so many people are too afraid to come out and say because it’s mean or unsympathetic. To that all,I can do is shrug my shoulders until there’s a real issue out there. Right now, there is no reason for the hysteria and continued nation wide restrictions.

170,000+ might disagree with you. You're the only one I see espousing such a disgusting position. Would you feel the same if someone close to you caught it?

Disgusting position? As I said the truth hurts and that’s the truth of the matter.

For full disclosure, my wife has 3 what are considered to be “underlying conditions” and she would not have an issue with the country reopening, she is aware of the risks and sees no reason not to reopen the country.

I have 2 daughters in their 20’s  with “underlying conditions” making them easily susceptible to respiratory illnesses. They see no reason not to return to normal.

I have a niece in her 40’s with immune issues, she feels the same open up let’s get back to normal.

My brother is 64 and hates this bs of being cooped up and under restrictions.

My wife has a cousin whose daughter (25 yrs) has a condition called Rett Syndrome:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rett_syndrome

Just yesterday we found out she may have contracted C-19 while being heavily quarantined and is in the hospital. This girl has fought off pneumonia over a dozen times in her life which she has outlived all projections. Will we be sad if she dies, yes we all will but we are aware of her condition and how delicate she is.

Will I be sad and distraught if I lose my wife, daughter, niece or brother...yes I will but would not blame society, the President or anyone else. Death is a fact of life and living with conditions is not living life no matter what political officials say.

So don’t try to guilt me into believing that the good of the nation lies is saving less than 2% of the population because of age or underlying conditions. There’s more at stake than some people dying, like the education of millions.

You think my opinion is disgusting, that’s ok, my opinion is that people who hide the fact this isn’t the natural disaster it’s being promoted as is just as disgusting and shameful.

[Jersey mike]

Natural selection, it works. The weak, old, diseased and frail are removed from the pack so the strong survive. That’s the evolution of all life always has been since the beginning of time. The strong survive.

That is snuggling pathetic. Kudos.

For you pathetic...from me to you, the truth hurts and what I said is the truth of the matter which so many people are too afraid to come out and say because it’s mean or unsympathetic. To that all,I can do is shrug my shoulders until there’s a real issue out there. Right now, there is no reason for the hysteria and continued nation wide restrictions.

Well hell, Mike, let's just toss out all medications and therapeutics mankind has developed throughout history then. All cures and vaccines, all antibiotics, medications and remedies. We need to see great resurgences in dreaded diseases like  typhoid, TB, measles, polio and the like.  Let cancer, heart disease and other maladies run rampant and unchecked. In fact, let's just get rid of the entire medical field -- that'll save us some big bucks there!  Might as well quit worrying about human advancements like hygiene, sanitation and refrigeration too.  Let's see if we can reverse our quality of life and predicted lifespan as well.  40 can be the new 80 again!  Only the strongest of the strong will be around.

In a few thousand years we may be like a superhuman race!

Right, because thee isn’t a vaccine it’s reason enough to keep hiding from it and keeping the country from moving forward as we did before all those medical treatment you mentioned were invented and implemented into the medical field and society.

[scooperhsd]

Natural selection, it works. The weak, old, diseased and frail are removed from the pack so the strong survive. That’s the evolution of all life always has been since the beginning of time. The strong survive.

That is snuggling pathetic. Kudos.

For you pathetic...from me to you, the truth hurts and what I said is the truth of the matter which so many people are too afraid to come out and say because it’s mean or unsympathetic. To that all,I can do is shrug my shoulders until there’s a real issue out there. Right now, there is no reason for the hysteria and continued nation wide restrictions.

170,000+ might disagree with you. You're the only one I see espousing such a disgusting position. Would you feel the same if someone close to you caught it?

He's not the only one. And yes I would be sad if someone close to me caught it and died, but that's the way of the universe.

[The emperor has no clothes]

All this talk of us being deprived of fun makes me wonder what our grandparents would think. I wonder if they were asked to give up some "fun" ? Things must have been a lot easier during the Depression and WWII than my grandmother told me about.


It appears global warming has been reversed. The proliferation of "snowflakes" is growing exponentially.

Travel wasn’t restricted, quarantine mandates were not implemented, sports still happened, schools were still open, businesses were not restricted from functioning, people were not restricted from gathering, churches or temples were never closed, people were still out in the streets in numbers. The depression was brutal on society as a whole but did not have the politicians dictate to the citizens what they were and were not allowed to do.

98.8% of the population is being dictated to for the benefit of 0.02% of the population who have health conditions that make THEM a risk to possibly die.


I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again. Any person who is too concerned should stay home. No person will be forced to go to a restaurant. No person will be forced to go out in public but the rest of the nation should be up and running under normal operating conditions with zero conditions.

you might want to reread your history books.

[Jersey mike]

"Will I be sad and distraught if I lose my wife, daughter, niece or brother...yes I will but would not blame society, the President or anyone else. Death is a fact of life and living with conditions is not living life no matter what political officials say".

I'd blame the virus.  And the ChiComs a bit.  

You are blaming society.  It is "society" and specifically our governors, scientists, physicians and lawmakers that have recommended the mitigations that you detest so much.

I live with several very serious medical conditions.  You may say I'm only existing, and I'm not worthy of using up your oxygen.  I am living, and I love my life.  Screw you.

Again, I am not in favor of mandates.

I would not blame society if I was to lose a loved one, meaning I would not blame any single group or person or the idea, premise or notion that this country should be open and operating at 100% capacity.

I’m not blaming society for this shut down and restricted code of conduct we’re now required to follow I blame the narrow minded politicians and media outlets who have weaponized this issue, scaring the general public into believing death awaits outside the door or inside a restaurant, airport, sports venue, shopping center, carnival, circus, motorcycle rally, large wedding or ceremonies, school graduations, regular attendance of schools or any other large group activities, whether public or private.

I’m very sorry you have your personal medical issues that YOU NEED TO CONTEND WITH. Your medical issues are NOT MY medical issues or the issues of the rest of the national population. We all have personal issues which need to be dealt with on a daily basis, my job and responsibility is not to make you feel safe and secure. My job and responsibility rests solely on my family.

The comment of using up my oxygen doesn’t even fit into the narrative. You being alive has no impact on my life other than it’s people with your circumstances are the reason the country cannot move back into full operating conditions. You would be in the 2% the rest of the country is guarding. Let me put it this way, if there was an emergency and you were part of a large group,100 people, heading to safety, but we all had to keep stopping because you could not keep up and there was no way of carrying you to safety,  would you say “leave me, get to safety” or would you say “unless you all care for me here and now none of you deserve to get to safety”.


Now, what I have said is not to be misunderstood as I don’t care, if I saw you sick, I would care for you as I would for any person. If I saw you were in distress I would help or get you help that was necessary. If you were to die I would miss this banter and remember it for what it was. So don’t take my words regarding this virus as cold and uncaring because that’s far from the truth and fact of the matter. It’s a shame so many people died from this but it’s the way life is.

[Jersey mike]

All this talk of us being deprived of fun makes me wonder what our grandparents would think. I wonder if they were asked to give up some "fun" ? Things must have been a lot easier during the Depression and WWII than my grandmother told me about.


It appears global warming has been reversed. The proliferation of "snowflakes" is growing exponentially.

Travel wasn’t restricted, quarantine mandates were not implemented, sports still happened, schools were still open, businesses were not restricted from functioning, people were not restricted from gathering, churches or temples were never closed, people were still out in the streets in numbers. The depression was brutal on society as a whole but did not have the politicians dictate to the citizens what they were and were not allowed to do.

98.8% of the population is being dictated to for the benefit of 0.02% of the population who have health conditions that make THEM a risk to possibly die.


I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again. Any person who is too concerned should stay home. No person will be forced to go to a restaurant. No person will be forced to go out in public but the rest of the nation should be up and running under normal operating conditions with zero conditions.

you might want to reread your history books.

Right I’m sure travel was restricted from traveling to Europe and most Asian Islands, not too many people were crossing the Atlantic via cruise ship...those pesky U-boats not to mention the Jap’s presence in the Pacific. Let’s not confuse the conditions of war with this virus.

[The emperor has no clothes]

All this talk of us being deprived of fun makes me wonder what our grandparents would think. I wonder if they were asked to give up some "fun" ? Things must have been a lot easier during the Depression and WWII than my grandmother told me about.


It appears global warming has been reversed. The proliferation of "snowflakes" is growing exponentially.

Travel wasn’t restricted, quarantine mandates were not implemented, sports still happened, schools were still open, businesses were not restricted from functioning, people were not restricted from gathering, churches or temples were never closed, people were still out in the streets in numbers. The depression was brutal on society as a whole but did not have the politicians dictate to the citizens what they were and were not allowed to do.

98.8% of the population is being dictated to for the benefit of 0.02% of the population who have health conditions that make THEM a risk to possibly die.


I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again. Any person who is too concerned should stay home. No person will be forced to go to a restaurant. No person will be forced to go out in public but the rest of the nation should be up and running under normal operating conditions with zero conditions.

you might want to reread your history books.

Right I’m sure travel was restricted from traveling to Europe and most Asian Islands, not too many people were crossing the Atlantic via cruise ship...those pesky U-boats not to mention the Jap’s presence in the Pacific. Let’s not confuse the conditions of war with this virus.

Travel, along with many things were restricted throughout the United States, not just overseas. This is just a drop in the bucket of things that were done.

https://www.nps.gov/articles/rationing-in-wwii.htm

And we have people talking about their rights being taken away because they have to wear a mask. 
I don't think I ever heard my grandmother ever use a foul word. Were she alive today, I suspect she might be calling us a bunch of pussies. (Well, maybe some of us)

[Valkorado]

Mike, I do contend with my health issues and severe pain on a daily basis.  I have done so for decades.  I also live my life because I enjoy it.  I have to do stuff, for daily errands and for recreation.  For life.  

It's NOT "people with your (my) circumstances who are the reason the country cannot move back into full operating conditions", so don't even try to pin that bullcrap on me.     I've never insinuated that you or anybody else has a responsibility to make me feel safe.  To the contrary.  I have expressed my feelings on mandates, and individual freedoms.  This virus hasn't changed that, however admittedly I have personally "bent" to some mandates.  Our community requires masking in public.  I do so.  I don't particularly enjoy it, in fact I pretty much hate it.  But, like the virus itself, it is what it is.

I do have an issue with mandates and I don't have a problem with civil disobedience.  That said, I walked into a very crowded convenience store yesterday, masks required.  A whole family of what appeared to be and sounded like undocumented Mexican immigrants was meandering around the store and using the facilities, talking and laughing loudly.  None were wearing masks.  I wasn't particularly impressed and noticed several other patrons who weren't either.  I did not do or say anything.  Well, I think I may have shook my head a bit.

There is some give and take required in this life.  Some compromise is required in any functional society.

I love science.  I love Darwin, and think some of his theories are indeed fact.  Our society is not set up in accordance with Darwinian principles.

[Willow]

For you pathetic...from me to you, the truth hurts and what I said is the truth of the matter which so many people are too afraid to come out and say because it’s mean or unsympathetic. To that all,I can do is shrug my shoulders until there’s a real issue out there. Right now, there is no reason for the hysteria and continued nation wide restrictions.

170,000+ might disagree with you. You're the only one I see espousing such a disgusting position. Would you feel the same if someone close to you caught it?

He's not the only one. And yes I would be sad if someone close to me caught it and died, but that's the way of the universe.

He certainly is not the only one.  I also accept that the virus is going to go the path it's going to go.  We may be able to slow it a bit by extreme measures but those who are going to die are going to die.  I'm a bit tired of the stupidities disguised as COVID-19 mitigation. 

If people feel exceptionally vulnerable then they should each decide to take protective measures.  Those measures should not ever be dictated by government at any level.

We should all be regularly cleaning our hands and keeping our hands away from mouth, nose and eyes.  We need to be careful what and where we touch and be aware of when our hands need to be washed or sanitized.  I am pleased to see eating places paying more attention to cleansing tables after use.  I do think the wearing of masks by everyone is stupid.  I don't like that servers have to bring a fresh glass with each refill.  That makes no sense.

[Jersey mike]

Mike, I do contend with my health issues and severe pain on a daily basis.  I have done so for decades.  I also live my life because I enjoy it.  I have to do stuff, for daily errands and for recreation.  For life.  

It's NOT "people with your (my) circumstances who are the reason the country cannot move back into full operating conditions", so don't even try to pin that bullcrap on me.     I've never insinuated that you or anybody else has a responsibility to make me feel safe.  To the contrary.  I have expressed my feelings on mandates, and individual freedoms.  This virus hasn't changed that, however admittedly I have personally "bent" to some mandates.  Our community requires masking in public.  I do so.  I don't particularly enjoy it, in fact I pretty much hate it.  But, like the virus itself, it is what it is.

I do have an issue with mandates and I don't have a problem with civil disobedience.  That said, I walked into a very crowded convenience store yesterday, masks required.  A whole family of what appeared to be and sounded like undocumented Mexican immigrants was meandering around the store and using the facilities, talking and laughing loudly.  None were wearing masks.  I wasn't particularly impressed and noticed several other patrons who weren't either.  I did not do or say anything.  Well, I think I may have shook my head a bit.

There is some give and take required in this life.  Some compromise is required in any functional society.

I love science.  I love Darwin, and think some of his theories are indeed fact.  Our society is not set up in accordance with Darwinian principles.

I don’t believe I ever blamed “you” specifically...if I did I owe “you” an apology. I apologize. I’m not going back to re-read what I’ve written unless I’m pressed into it or if you care to quote it.

It’s people like you who are being used as scapegoats for political and media frenzy, hype, fear tactics, shock value, intimidation, coercion, alarmist reasoning and ominous predictions they can muster up.

[Valkorado]

Mike, I do contend with my health issues and severe pain on a daily basis.  I have done so for decades.  I also live my life because I enjoy it.  I have to do stuff, for daily errands and for recreation.  For life.  

It's NOT "people with your (my) circumstances who are the reason the country cannot move back into full operating conditions", so don't even try to pin that bullcrap on me.     I've never insinuated that you or anybody else has a responsibility to make me feel safe.  To the contrary.  I have expressed my feelings on mandates, and individual freedoms.  This virus hasn't changed that, however admittedly I have personally "bent" to some mandates.  Our community requires masking in public.  I do so.  I don't particularly enjoy it, in fact I pretty much hate it.  But, like the virus itself, it is what it is.

I do have an issue with mandates and I don't have a problem with civil disobedience.  That said, I walked into a very crowded convenience store yesterday, masks required.  A whole family of what appeared to be and sounded like undocumented Mexican immigrants was meandering around the store and using the facilities, talking and laughing loudly.  None were wearing masks.  I wasn't particularly impressed and noticed several other patrons who weren't either.  I did not do or say anything.  Well, I think I may have shook my head a bit.

There is some give and take required in this life.  Some compromise is required in any functional society.

I love science.  I love Darwin, and think some of his theories are indeed fact.  Our society is not set up in accordance with Darwinian principles.

I don’t believe I ever blamed “you” specifically...if I did I owe “you” an apology. I apologize. I’m not going back to re-read what I’ve written unless I’m pressed into it or if you care to quote it.

It’s people like you who are being used as scapegoats for political and media frenzy, hype, fear tactics, shock value, intimidation, coercion, alarmist reasoning and ominous predictions they can muster up.

That's good, no apologies necessary between Valkyrie brothers.

I'd be an unwilling "scapegoat", FWIW.

[Valkorado]

An interesting statistic.  Make of it what you will.

Sweden’s half-year death toll highest in 150 years, exceeded only by famine-marked 1869

https://www.nydailynews.com/coronavirus/ny-coronavirus-sweden-highest-death-toll-150-years-since-1869-covid-20200821-rq556pfdjjetdcpb7hrafrcuge-story.html

https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/global/coronavirus-sweden-has-recorded-its-highest-death-toll-in-150-years/news-story/086570ad4dc5336e46885fdef15e5fa3

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12358495

[Robert]

https://youtu.be/75aNsftZRnM

A Warning - Government Overreach Is Over!

https://summit.news/2020/08/20/governor-of-maine-orders-restaurant-staff-to-wear-covid-visors-like-dog-cones/

The Governor of Maine has ordered restaurant staff to wear anti-COVID visors upside down so they resemble dog cones in order to direct breath upwards.

Gov Janet Mills says – servers must now wear face shields upside down so that their breath is directed up, not down. Yes she wants you to wear a dog cone… peak insanity. I wish this was a joke.. its real #facecovering #faceshield pic.twitter.com/cnyojzTd3c

Attack of the Corona Karens
https://youtu.be/AA6_GuZOyAI

[Jersey mike]

An interesting statistic.  Make of it what you will.

Sweden’s half-year death toll highest in 150 years, exceeded only by famine-marked 1869

https://www.nydailynews.com/coronavirus/ny-coronavirus-sweden-highest-death-toll-150-years-since-1869-covid-20200821-rq556pfdjjetdcpb7hrafrcuge-story.html

https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/global/coronavirus-sweden-has-recorded-its-highest-death-toll-in-150-years/news-story/086570ad4dc5336e46885fdef15e5fa3

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12358495

Scroll down the page to where it say DAILY NEW DEATHS and look at the scale for the last 2 months.

There is also an interactive chart for DAILY NEW CASES you can work off of.

You can use your cursor to highlight each gray section on the scale to read the specific number of deaths on that given day.

It is as current as yesterday.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/



 

[..]

China is reporting cases of only about 90,000 

A friend in Shanghai (24 million people) tells me life is back to normal.

Only cases are those being brought in from outside the country.

https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

[..]

An interesting statistic.  Make of it what you will.

Sweden’s half-year death toll highest in 150 years, exceeded only by famine-marked 1869

https://www.nydailynews.com/coronavirus/ny-coronavirus-sweden-highest-death-toll-150-years-since-1869-covid-20200821-rq556pfdjjetdcpb7hrafrcuge-story.html

https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/global/coronavirus-sweden-has-recorded-its-highest-death-toll-in-150-years/news-story/086570ad4dc5336e46885fdef15e5fa3

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12358495

Scroll down the page to where it say DAILY NEW DEATHS and look at the scale for the last 2 months.

There is also an interactive chart for DAILY NEW CASES you can work off of.

You can use your cursor to highlight each gray section on the scale to read the specific number of deaths on that given day.

It is as current as yesterday.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/
 

Different numbers being reported here.


https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

[Jersey mike]

An interesting statistic.  Make of it what you will.

Sweden’s half-year death toll highest in 150 years, exceeded only by famine-marked 1869

https://www.nydailynews.com/coronavirus/ny-coronavirus-sweden-highest-death-toll-150-years-since-1869-covid-20200821-rq556pfdjjetdcpb7hrafrcuge-story.html

https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/global/coronavirus-sweden-has-recorded-its-highest-death-toll-in-150-years/news-story/086570ad4dc5336e46885fdef15e5fa3

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12358495

Scroll down the page to where it say DAILY NEW DEATHS and look at the scale for the last 2 months.

There is also an interactive chart for DAILY NEW CASES you can work off of.

You can use your cursor to highlight each gray section on the scale to read the specific number of deaths on that given day.

It is as current as yesterday.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/
 

Different numbers being reported here.


https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

I don’t know it your website is working or not on my iPad, but from the gist of it , your website is saying the same as the one I posted. 5,810 deaths...total. I also have the same the same number of NUMBER OF CASES 86,068

I selected Sweden from the left column and it displayed in a small box adjacent to the right of the main center global map.

There’s a small yellow graph in the bottom right which I cannot make heads or tails of, does that correspond to the US total in the far right column?

[Valkorado]

https://www.foxnews.com/health/amid-coronavirus-sweden-hits-record-death-toll-in-150-years-report

[Jersey mike]

https://www.foxnews.com/health/amid-coronavirus-sweden-hits-record-death-toll-in-150-years-report

Yes, that report ENDS IN JUNE.

look at the numbers from June until today. Dropping off drastically.

The daily death rate is so low, especially in the last month, it’s barely noticeable on the chart.

[Valkorado]

https://www.foxnews.com/health/amid-coronavirus-sweden-hits-record-death-toll-in-150-years-report

Yes, that report ENDS IN JUNE.

look at the numbers from June until today. Dropping off drastically.

The daily death rate is so low, especially in the last month, it’s barely noticeable on the chart.

Note that the articles were published just yesterday and today.

OK.  So during the reported time period (January thru June) Sweden's death rate was higher than any they've experienced in 150 years.  The articles are accurate in that respect.

Their death rate very well may, and hopefully will, continue to decline.  That doesn't mean the articles are inaccurate.

[Jersey mike]

https://www.foxnews.com/health/amid-coronavirus-sweden-hits-record-death-toll-in-150-years-report

Yes, that report ENDS IN JUNE.

look at the numbers from June until today. Dropping off drastically.

The daily death rate is so low, especially in the last month, it’s barely noticeable on the chart.

Note that the articles were published just yesterday and today.

OK.  So during the reported time period (January thru June) Sweden's death rate was higher than any they've experienced in 150 years.  The articles are accurate in that respect.

Their death rate very well may, and hopefully will, continue to decline.  That doesn't mean the articles are inaccurate.

I don’t care what happened then, because while their per capita were almost double our numbers, their current numbers are virtually nothing. For over a month they are showing their way is working. They’re showing this isn’t a doom and gloom scenario.

When their daily month long numbers show operating as normal works, kids being in school works. It shows this virus is beatable without waiting for a vaccine to save the world.

Now with that being said, they very well could be running out of old, sick and people with underlying conditions or health issues or weak immune systems.

[Valkorado]

Some interesting information here, also some unnecessary swipes at our President.  

https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL2008/S00172/new-international-covid-19-data-revealing.htm

It's not doom and gloom, Mike, but it ain't sunshine and lollipops either.  It is what it is.