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Believe what you will, but the information is out there about the vac dangers and if they do work it is only temporary.
There's also plenty of information out there about how anti-vaxers put the rest of us in harm's way due to their unjustified and self centered behaviors.
You mentioned vaccines aren't what God intended.
Not sure about that, but if He wants me to die an agonizing death due to drowning in my own phlegm, I'd prefer to alter that course!
I'm sure if the FDA approves a vaccine for COVID-19 within the next year or so I'll be standing in line for it like I do for my annual flu shot.
"here's also plenty of information out there about how anti-vaxers put the rest of us in harm's way due to their unjustified and self centered behaviors." and that is incorrect. there are plenty of reports whereas the person with the vaccine ACTUALLY cause others to get sick who were not sick in first place. I had it happen to me and everybody in the office when one person received to nasal flu shot, which made them contagious to every one around them for 5-7 days. something the injection pusher forget to mention. https://thepeopleschemist.com/reasons-dont-vaccinate-children-vaccine-supporters-shouldnt-give/These attacks are based on the theory of “herd immunity.” This hypothesis was plucked out of an old college textbook. It states that the more people are immune to an infectious agent, the less likely an immune-compromised individual is to come in contact with it. In other words herd immunity serves as a human shield – a type of immunity – for “at-risk” individuals. But remember, it’s only a hypothesis. When outbreaks arise among children, health officials are quick to state that it’s due to a breakdown in ‘herd immunity.‘ Doctors parrot it too, without even looking at the research. They say it’s happening more often nationwide as states make it easier for parents to opt out of vaccinations. Like argumentative apes, pro-vaccine parents and their physicians start pounding their chest in favor of such statements. They use them to attack anti-vaccine parents, accusing them of “putting vaccinated kids at risk due to a breakdown in herd immunity.” This is fuzzy logic. And it’s borderline stupid. Reason #1: Vaccination Does Not Always Mean “Immunization” Vaccines are purported to work by triggering the body’s natural immunity. By injecting weak or dead infectious agents through our skin, it’s believed that the body will create the appropriate immune defense. They are even called “immunizations.” And while this idea is over two hundred years old, it’s not nearly as effective as the pharmaceutical companies, doctors and government agencies want you to believe. At best, vaccines boost our defenses only temporarily. That’s because your immune system is programmed to recognize and attack invaders that come through the biological “front door.” That would be your nose, mouth and eyes. It doesn’t work properly when we shove infection into our body with a needle. The World Health Organization (WHO) underscored this fact in their report titled, Immunization, Vaccines and Biologicals. They wrote that, “Children under two years of age do not consistently develop immunity following vaccination.” Therefore, vaccines can fly “below the radar” of our immune system. Not only does this weaken the immune system, it renders many vaccines ineffective. And history proves this to be the case… |
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« Reply #562 on: March 26, 2020, 09:16:15 AM » |
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NOT gonna turn this thread into a general vaccine vs. anti-vaccine thread. Uh-uh!
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I think I saw that nurse on TV. I didn't expect it to hit the ski area towns so hard. When you're on the mountain there's minimal risk. But riding in an enclosed gondola with strangers, or getting packed together in a cafeteria line for lunch is more risky, especially when so many skiers are visiting from far away places. I skied twice this year but skipped lunch both days, and only used open lifts, riding alone nearly every time. As bad as this sounds, the medical workers are seeing the absolute worst cases which can affect their perspective. Over the years I've known a few ER nurses who were horrified when I told them I rode a motorcycle. |
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« Reply #564 on: March 26, 2020, 09:32:18 AM » |
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As bad as this sounds, the medical workers are seeing the absolute worst cases which can affect their perspective.
True, many folks have mild symptoms, or get hammered but are able to stay out of the hospital altogether. I'd rather be one who avoids it completely.
Over the years I've known a few ER nurses who were horrified when I told them I rode a motorcycle.
I've had that reaction, as recently as last summer when I was rear ended. Let's try to stay out of the hospital for whatever reason!
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The county where I'm at right now. Residents can still go to grocery and convenience stores, seek medicines or medical care, order take-out, bike, hike and jog, care for loved ones in other households and tend to the needs of pets, among other things. The order also outlines what residents cannot do, including leave home if they are ill, visit others unless there is an urgent need, be within 6 feet of another person in public, travel unless essential or go to work unless defined as working in an essential industry. Residents returning to Haywood County after traveling outside the county for more than three days for non-essential purposes must self-quarantine at home for 14 days. Haywood’s order takes effect at 5 p.m. today — Thursday, March 26 — but could be amended or changed at any time in consultation with the public health director and the Haywood County Office of Emergency Management. Violation of the order is a Class 2 misdemeanor per G.S. 14-288.20A and is punishable by up to 60 days in jail and/or a $1,000 fine. To read the full order, visit www.haywoodcountync.gov. |
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« Reply #567 on: March 26, 2020, 10:21:23 AM » |
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there are 5 strains of the virus
Of course testing will take time, Save the angst for china They sat on this
POTUS put a travel ban on weeks ago, Biden and Sanders called him a racist for it and said they would not do that
He may have bought us the time we need, consider that. Heaven forbid they were in charge It would be very bad indeed
Meanwhile previous administrations responsible for our losing the ability to even make penicillin here
as the last plant went out of business years ago due to china getting the business.
Just as we cant even make large transformers for our grid, they are made, yep in china
Wash your hands, stay strong and have courage this will pass
Found this article that is along these lines. Let's whoop this Chinavirus then maybe consider some of this along with reducing or eliminating our reliance on Chinese made medications and equipment... "Black Sky hazards’ are natural and man-made threats that can disrupt systems and resource–infrastructure interdependencies upon which most of the planet depends – this includes not just pandemics, but other threats such as a massive cyber attack that crashes the Internet or collapses the electricity grid. In the words of two eminent analysts, these ‘messes’ reflect a ‘complex system of problems that are so tightly bound together that the problems are not inseparable, they don’t even exist apart from the system of which they are a part’. They are manifestations of deeply intertwined political and functional interests, which spill over in ways that are often unpredictable, but ultimately have global impacts". https://rusi.org/commentary/world-pandemics-and-%E2%80%98black-sky-hazards%E2%80%99-can-un-be-rendered-fit-21st-century |
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« Reply #568 on: March 26, 2020, 10:27:03 AM » |
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From what I understand 19k people died from the flu last year in the US. Can you imagine how we would react if every time someone died from that we had the media posting updates?
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« Reply #569 on: March 26, 2020, 10:39:30 AM » |
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From what I understand 19k people died from the flu last year in the US. Can you imagine how we would react if every time someone died from that we had the media posting updates?
Ya, and 195,000 Americans died during the 1918 Spanish Flu. Looks like we're somewhere in between!  Coronavirus could become seasonal: top US scientist https://news.yahoo.com/coronavirus-could-become-seasonal-top-us-scientist-001146451.htmlAnd then we'll have another annual visitor to look forward to each year! We don't have any natural immunity to this virus yet. That's why many who are lucky to not have had to go to a hospital say this virus made them feel more ill than anything they'd ever experienced in their lives. Do you remember the hospitals overflowing every flu season, or doctors and nurses demanding PPE and medical equipment because they're getting sick and dying? https://www.nydailynews.com/coronavirus/ny-coronavirus-nyc-hospital-nurse-dies-20200326-4i6pd4l2brdgflwjrn4xsa4l24-story.htmlRemember temporary morgues popping up? People are on ventilators for20-30 days. That ties a room up, and there aren't enough ventilators to meet the demands of folks drowning in their own phlegm. https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/26/health/covid-19-lung-damage-video/index.htmlAgain, it's not influenza. It's not hype for many who have experienced it. When I first joined this thread I'd been watching this ugly wave roll across China. I think some here saw me as an alarmist. I hope most now see that I was ringing the alarm. I think there is a difference. |
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« Reply #571 on: March 26, 2020, 01:24:33 PM » |
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As anticipated, Negative on the Covid test and back to work tomorrow.  Going to see a doctor is like walking into a minefield of new rules and protocols. Everyone is pretty jumpy. They need to be I suppose. The dynamics seem similar to Airport security prior to and right after 9/11. From simple and easy to holy crap are you kidding me?? |
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« Reply #572 on: March 26, 2020, 02:16:18 PM » |
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Great news Mike. At least they are not (yet) armed to shoot you at the Dr office or ER (like the airports). |
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Local Ingles grocery store still devoid of TP, spray/wipe disinfectant BUT the bread aisle is back to normal.
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« Reply #575 on: March 26, 2020, 05:02:41 PM » |
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Saw on the news this evening that the US has passed China (and maybe Italy) for cases and fatalities.
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« Reply #576 on: March 26, 2020, 05:07:03 PM » |
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Saw on the news this evening that the US has passed China (and maybe Italy) for cases and fatalities.
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« Reply #577 on: March 26, 2020, 05:17:04 PM » |
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Saw on the news this evening that the US has passed China (and maybe Italy) for cases and fatalities.
One list we don't want to be atop. IMHO just means we're testing more than the others, doesn't mean we actually have more infected people than other countries..... |
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« Reply #578 on: March 26, 2020, 06:15:28 PM » |
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Saw on the news this evening that the US has passed China (and maybe Italy) for cases and fatalities.
One list we don't want to be atop. IMHO just means we're testing more than the others, doesn't mean we actually have more infected people than other countries..... I heard there USA is at about 500,000 552,000 completed tests as of today. Looks like Germany is doing that many each week. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52056586https://bgr.com/2020/03/26/coronavirus-testing-explains-germanys-low-covid-19-fatality-rate/Could be worse. https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/coronavirus-tests-spain-purchased-from-china-fail-to-detect-positive-casesBAD TO WORSE Spain bought 640,000 FAULTY coronavirus testing kits from China that can’t even tell whether a patient is sick. https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11266586/spain-faulty-coronavirus-tests-china/ |
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« Reply #579 on: March 26, 2020, 06:33:44 PM » |
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Let's try to stay out of the hospital for whatever reason!
ABSOLUTELY!!! A hospital is the last place I want to be these days. A few days ago when I needed to use a ladder outside the wife said I should be careful. I replied not only am I being extra careful, but she needed to come outside with me and hold it to minimize my chances of falling. I don't want to get anywhere near a hospital with all of this going on. |
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« Reply #580 on: March 26, 2020, 07:41:28 PM » |
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Saw on the news this evening that the US has passed China (and maybe Italy) for cases and fatalities.
In cases; not in fatalities!! Cases - fatalities: USA 85,435 1,295 China 81,340 3,292 Italy 80,589 8,215 Spain 57,786 4,365 |
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« Reply #581 on: March 26, 2020, 07:49:08 PM » |
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Saw on the news this evening that the US has passed China (and maybe Italy) for cases and fatalities.
In cases; not in fatalities!! Cases - fatalities: USA 85,435 1,295 China 81,340 3,292 Italy 80,589 8,215 Spain 57,786 4,365 In numbers but not percentages. Italy is about 1/6 the size of the U.S. in population. It's a little silly for them to compare numbers. Incidentally Italy is on the downside of the slope. We're still on the upside. |
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Saw on the news this evening that the US has passed China (and maybe Italy) for cases and fatalities.
In cases; not in fatalities!! Cases - fatalities: USA 85,435 1,295 China 81,340 3,292 Italy 80,589 8,215 Spain 57,786 4,365 I'd glad to be corrected here on this  |
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So watching the news today, no wonder people are confused. One news outlet says that Trump is crazy predicting Easter as a turning point. One says Cuomo says maybe we went too far in shutting things down. Another says Faucci and Trump are not speaking, and another says people in Chicago cant ride their bikes out even though they are well outside the 6 foot recommended radius.
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Saw on the news this evening that the US has passed China (and maybe Italy) for cases and fatalities.
In cases; not in fatalities!! Cases - fatalities: USA 85,435 1,295 China 81,340 3,292 Italy 80,589 8,215 Spain 57,786 4,365 In numbers but not percentages. Italy is about 1/6 the size of the U.S. in population. It's a little silly for them to compare numbers. Incidentally Italy is on the downside of the slope. We're still on the upside. I was simply pointing out that we are far from #1 in deaths. If you consider per capita, Italy's death toll is even more significant. However, I would think US would surpass China in per capita deaths (if you can believe their numbers). |
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Saw on the news this evening that the US has passed China (and maybe Italy) for cases and fatalities.
In cases; not in fatalities!! Cases - fatalities: USA 85,435 1,295 China 81,340 3,292 Italy 80,589 8,215 Spain 57,786 4,365 I'd glad to be corrected here on this |
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So watching the news today, no wonder people are confused. One news outlet says that Trump is crazy predicting Easter as a turning point. One says Cuomo says maybe we went too far in shutting things down. Another says Faucci and Trump are not speaking, and another says people in Chicago cant ride their bikes out even though they are well outside the 6 foot recommended radius.
I mostly read The Wall Street Journal and watch the President's news conferences and the local news to keep up with what's going on around me. When I've been around to see the NBC nightly news come on, it is filled with "Dire Warnings!", "Worst Case Scenarios!" and "Breaking Points!"... We should all take this seriously, though... in those places where there's a lot of people coming down with the virus, the hospitals and staff and doctors are getting worn out... a couple of nights ago I was struck by how tired some of the folks on Trump's team were, especially Dr. Birx... I'm over 60, had bronchitis in February and have hay fever - the tree pollen is off the charts right now - I bet if I got the virus it would whale on me... I picked up one of my guitars from getting a set-up at the luthier a few weeks ago. We shook hands at the end and I made a zombie apocalypse joke... he had a saying: "Don't wring your hands, wash your hands"... -Mike |
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« Reply #590 on: March 27, 2020, 09:15:53 AM » |
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Another big point, I think, that makes this virus very suckfull.
I think this is kinda overlooked.
This relates to critical cases, specifically those requiring ventilation and /or intubation, and hospital room duration.
My understanding is that, while those cases are thankfully the most rare they do require a long haul in ICU, sometimes isolation. We're talking a month here. I've even heard of six weeks! Statistics show those patients do not fare well, and suffer as high as a 50% death rate for those long term patients requiring ventilation. Not to mention long term use of ventilators, necessary staff and PPE.
This is not to mention those having heart attacks, sepsis, organ failure and other virus related issues. Or all the poor people needing hospitalization for reasons completely unrelated to coronavirus.
Taking all this into account, is it hard to understand why many hospitals that are on the brink are considering DNR (do not resuscitate) policies to free up resources and room space and decrease infection potential? note DNR is only being considered in long term ventilation cases in hospitals where PPE is minimal - - for now.
This is a big part of why I think they're not bullshatting (another new word?) when they say they need beds, respirators, PPE, temporary hospitals, volunteer staff, etc.
I do not think it's political! When doctors and nurses say they need stuff, we should support them 100%. Remember we have the best physicians, nurses and medical system in the world! Some are falling ill, some are dying.
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Taking all this into account, is it hard to understand why many hospitals that are on the brink are considering DNR (do not resuscitate) policies to free up resources and room space and decrease infection potential? ...
I believe this is directly from the rumor mill and publicly stated as false. Do some searching, I did say considering. I'd even stretch my neck out and say strongly considering. Don't chop my head off.  https://www.foxnews.com/health/hospitals-weigh-blanket-dnr-orders-amid-coronavirus-protective-equipment-shortageshttps://www.commondreams.org/news/2020/03/27/us-now-epicenter-global-pandemic-hospitals-forced-consider-do-not-resuscitate-ordersMy real point from above post is there is a need for ventilators! Our President just ripped the GM CEO for not pumping them out quickly enough. I understand he has a supremo stressful job right now. He has to blow off some steam. I gotta admit hearing him say the respirators aren't really needed, then hearing him demand that they must be manufactured pronto is a bit of a mixed message - - especially when you read between the lines. I love and support our President. Just not all the time. I've been making a conscious effort to not present deceitful information in this thread. |
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« Reply #595 on: March 27, 2020, 11:55:13 AM » |
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My real point from above post is there is a need for ventilators! Our President just ripped the GM CEO for not pumping them out quickly enough. I understand he has a supremo stressful job right now. He has to blow off some steam. I gotta admit hearing him say the respirators aren't really needed, then hearing him demand that they must be manufactured pronto is a bit of a mixed message - - especially when you read between the lines. I love and support our President. Just not all the time.
The ventilator need as so much of the panic "news" starts with a seed of truth and expands it to frighteningly over stated. There is a projected need for ventilators but other than a few hospitals in densely populated cities there is little actual shortage being already experienced. there is a need and the government and business are working desperately to meet the upcoming need. One of the links you posted says medical persons have privately talked about what you stated but then decided that would be too draconian. The other link was from a source that into the piece deteriorates it into an attack on the President for not invoking the act to force private companies to produce what's needed. The President has stated that the force was not needed as private companies were very willingly stepping forward to redirect their production in the needed direction. The mixed message? The President was upset with GMC because they had said they would provide 40,000 and changed their estimate to 6,000. His statement on the need wasn't that there was no need but that the governor of New York was overstating the need for New York. That was necessary as an over distribution to New York would result in fewer available for other areas. He did not say that ventilators were not needed. I understand that we see situations differently as you are completely bought into the panic and I am not. We must be careful, though, to not contribute to increasing the panicked response but communicate as best we can what is truthful and accurate. There's not a lot of that going on these days. |
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Some good points - - as usual, Willow. Not panicking here whatsoever. Just enjoying our Colorado lockdown and doing my best not to get the cursed bug. I'm quite glad President Trump kicked GMC's butt, BTW. I think we are in agreement that more respirators are, or soon will be needed. Lots of them. I'd bet I could even twist your arm into believing we might as well manufacture more than are needed presently and warehouse them, in the case of a future respiratory pandemic. The technology does not go obsolete.  You would probably also agree that Cuomo should have taken the advice that his state desperately needed more ventilators. Advice he received long before this pandemic (2014, if I remember correctly). Make it 2015 https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-cites-report-cuomo-passed-on-chance-to-buy-16000-ventilators-in-2015I still say this virus is not political, so these stories are iffy - - on both sides. Trump today: "You turn on the TV, you read the papers, and it's all about this. And you know, it probably should be". If I have contributed to anyone's panic, I sincerely apologize. |
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