I've studied some influenza death statistics.

[GiG]

I've studied some influenza death statistics.

I looked at a youtube video about brain surgery.

-Mike

Hey Mike,

I've been getting headaches for a while now.  Do you think you could have a look around in there?  Make sure some wires ain't crossed?

Dude - we’ve already poked around in there, and wires are definitely crossed  
Your headaches spring from an entirely different source, trust me, I watched a YouTube video 

[Romeo]

And how many deaths would we have were we not to have instituted the mitigation ? The estimates I’ve seen from “our duly elected President’s” administration is 2 million. 51,000 vs. 2 million ? Seems like a no brainer to me.

gotta agree withya on this one Meat.

[Jersey mike]

Boy I hate to be the morbid one but what is needed is the age groupings of those who;

1) got tested and were positive

2) got tested and were negative

3) got tested, tested positive but died

I know HIPA laws are what they are and they are in place for a good reason, but the realism of underlying conditions needs to be told also.

The headlines of “Dying From C-19” is inaccurate IMO, does it hurt less to those who passed, no it doesn’t. The drama of the virus is causing too many issues we didn’t need.

[Skinhead]

Well, last night our governor (whitmer) was on tv Doom and Glooming the hell out of us.  She's ended the school year.  I'm in Kzoo watching my granddaughter as my son was having to work from work, not at home.  I called my neighbors as I forgot a few items and was planning on returning home today.  They said stay where I'm at, less populated and fewer cases.  According to Coronavirus COVID-19 Global Cases by the Center for Systems Science and Engineering (CSSE) at Johns Hopkins University there are 2183 confirmed cases in Oakland county, 119 dead and Zero recovered.  I find it odd that all the counties in MI list confirmed cases, deaths, and active cases, but in all instances they list recovered as 0. 

[DarkSideR]

Boy I hate to be the morbid one but what is needed is the age groupings of those who;

1) got tested and were positive

2) got tested and were negative

3) got tested, tested positive but died

I know HIPA laws are what they are and they are in place for a good reason, but the realism of underlying conditions needs to be told also.

The headlines of “Dying From C-19” is inaccurate IMO, does it hurt less to those who passed, no it doesn’t. The drama of the virus is causing too many issues we didn’t need.

Well said.

[Reb]

I find the biggest factor with Covid-19 is the incubation time.

One usually experiences symptoms of influenza within 2-5 days of contracting the virus. During that time period one is contagious and can spread the virus, though once symptoms are recognized, most sane people stay home and avoid contact with others.

COVID-19 has 7-14 days incubation period. One can go a full two weeks after contracting the virus before feeling symptoms, during that 14 days period, you are contagious and can spread the virus to others without knowing you have contracted the virus. That is why you continue to hear the "14-day" isolation requests on a State by State basis.

[Serk]

I find the biggest factor with Covid-19 is the incubation time.

IMHO besides the higher death rate per infected person, some of the big issues making C19 worse than seasonal Influenza:

As you said, the incubation time.
The existence of seemingly a large amount of asymptomatic carriers that can still spread it.
The total lack of public immunity. With the flu we not only the shot, but lots of people have some immunity to it. With C-19 that doesn't exist. If you're exposed to it, you're getting it.

[DIGGER]

Don't know if anyone has already posted this but in the news yesterday they showed a man at his 104th birthday.   As a baby He survived the 1918 pandemic where worldwide there were 500,000,000 people inflicted with 50,000,000 deaths  .  In the US there were 675,000 deaths

That's the stats off the Internet about the 1918 flu pandemic

[Valkorado]

Boy I hate to be the morbid one but what is needed is the age groupings of those who;

1) got tested and were positive

2) got tested and were negative

3) got tested, tested positive but died

I know HIPA laws are what they are and they are in place for a good reason, but the realism of underlying conditions needs to be told also.

The headlines of “Dying From C-19” is inaccurate IMO, does it hurt less to those who passed, no it doesn’t. The drama of the virus is causing too many issues we didn’t need.

If ya get C19 then develop a cytokine storm leading to pneumonia, or have a heart attack, or acquire bacterial sepsis leading to infection and organ failure, or youre just unlucky enough to be over 60 - - and you die - -  was C19 your cause of death or was it merely a catalyst?   End result seems the same.   You're dead!

[Fazer]

God I love this board.  I can't get this kind of entertainment any place else.  You guys crack me up.  I know this is serious stuff, but some of the comments are priceless.

[Alberta Patriot]

God I love this board.  I can't get this kind of entertainment any place else.  You guys crack me up.  I know this is serious stuff, but some of the comments are priceless.

There is certainly more than enough panic to go around. There is certainly more than enough misinformation and vitriol  to go around coming from the bought and paid for CNN/BBC media types...globally. So where does one get reliable/factual information. The W.H.O. ??...nope, they have received and will receive far too much money from the CCP thugs who they assisted in misinforming us  about what was about to arrive in every town and city...globally. They knew back in November. Much of the MSM now refuse to air the daily updates from Trump and his "gang" of medical professionals. They prefer to continue the unending, soul sucking vitriol instead.

[scooperhsd]

God I love this board.  I can't get this kind of entertainment any place else.  You guys crack me up.  I know this is serious stuff, but some of the comments are priceless.

There is certainly more than enough panic to go around. There is certainly more than enough misinformation and vitriol  to go around coming from the bought and paid for CNN/BBC media types...globally. So where does one get reliable/factual information. The W.H.O. ??...nope, they have received and will receive far too much money from the CCP thugs who they assisted in misinforming us  about what was about to arrive in every town and city...globally. They knew back in November. Much of the MSM now refuse to air the daily updates from Trump and his "gang" of medical professionals. They prefer to continue the unending, soul sucking vitriol instead.

You must use different news sources than me. My local news stations are giving what I consider realistic reports. I think there is at least some over-reaction by some politicians in some areas, yet others who are not reacting enough for their situation.

My way of dealing with it is to mostly stay home, but if I need something  - I won't hesitate to go out. While I'm out , I tend to stay away from most social interaction - but's that's just the way I am normally (I am NOT a social butterfly). When I go for some wind therapy , I follow the same  - minimize social interaction, and I fillup at self service using credit / debit cards. I 'm still working on developing the washing hands obsession that alot of people seem to have normally, but inspite of my condition (age 59.5 years, Type 2 diabetic, BMI probably close to WIllow's) - I've always had a really good immune system for dealing with viruses ( in addition to "not bleeding" being my superpower - I don't even attempt to give blood (I clot in needles - even that size) - makes it fun when medical people want to do blood tests). 

[Wizzard]

I think I already had it. I am 65 and I never ever get sick, do not even get the flu. Have not been sick in over 40 years. But on the first of Feb I got it. Classic symptoms and kicked my butt for 4 days and worst chills I ever had with not appetite and low energy terrible body aches and could not walk a flight of stairs. Then dry cough lasted 2 weeks. Did not know what it was and recovered within a week. Then my wife got it, then my sister in law visited us and got it but not her husband. (who has parkinsons disease) Well he never got it and I know find out he is on hydroxychloroquine as part of his parkinsons meds. As soon as the test becaomes avail to tell if you had it I am taking it.
BTW I was in Cabo San Lucas at the time for 2 weeks and think I got it on the plane going down.

[f6john]

I think I already had it. I am 65 and I never ever get sick, do not even get the flu. Have not been sick in over 40 years. But on the first of Feb I got it. Classic symptoms and kicked my butt for 4 days and worst chills I ever had with not appetite and low energy terrible body aches and could not walk a flight of stairs. Then dry cough lasted 2 weeks. Did not know what it was and recovered within a week. Then my wife got it, then my sister in law visited us and got it but not her husband. (who has parkinsons disease) Well he never got it and I know find out he is on hydroxychloroquine as part of his parkinsons meds. As soon as the test becaomes avail to tell if you had it I am taking it.
BTW I was in Cabo San Lucas at the time for 2 weeks and think I got it on the plane going down.

I sure would have liked to have gotten a transfusion of your blood before February! I’m the same as you until I was 49, 67 now and the story has changed quite a bit for me. Even with that said I still consider myself healthy even though some of my doctors might disagree.

[..]

I think I already had it. I am 65 and I never ever get sick, do not even get the flu. Have not been sick in over 40 years. But on the first of Feb I got it. Classic symptoms and kicked my butt for 4 days and worst chills I ever had with not appetite and low energy terrible body aches and could not walk a flight of stairs. Then dry cough lasted 2 weeks. Did not know what it was and recovered within a week. Then my wife got it, then my sister in law visited us and got it but not her husband. (who has parkinsons disease) Well he never got it and I know find out he is on hydroxychloroquine as part of his parkinsons meds. As soon as the test becaomes avail to tell if you had it I am taking it.
BTW I was in Cabo San Lucas at the time for 2 weeks and think I got it on the plane going down.

Me to. Mid Feb but not on a plane or in Mexico.

[Valkorado]

I think I already had it. I am 65 and I never ever get sick, do not even get the flu. Have not been sick in over 40 years. But on the first of Feb I got it. Classic symptoms and kicked my butt for 4 days and worst chills I ever had with not appetite and low energy terrible body aches and could not walk a flight of stairs. Then dry cough lasted 2 weeks. Did not know what it was and recovered within a week. Then my wife got it, then my sister in law visited us and got it but not her husband. (who has parkinsons disease) Well he never got it and I know find out he is on hydroxychloroquine as part of his parkinsons meds. As soon as the test becaomes avail to tell if you had it I am taking it.
BTW I was in Cabo San Lucas at the time for 2 weeks and think I got it on the plane going down.

Me to. Mid Feb but not on a plane or in Mexico.

I don't doubt it a bit.

You're here to tell!   I had inluenza over a decade ago that almost floored me.  I'm thinking this crap would put me in the cold ground.

[6shutr]

The influenza death statistics for 2017 hold a remarkable similarity to COVID-19 stats.  The vast majority of deaths are in people of age with other physical issues.  There were over 55,000 flu deaths in 2017.  Flu deaths have been diminishing at least since 1999.

We've never reacted to flu season by shutting down and damaging the economy.  We've not labeled annual influenza as a pandemic.  There were some 45 million flu cases in 2017.

We are currently a little over 5,000 deaths from COVID-19.  I would not be surprised to see that number increase to as much as ten fold.  I will be surprised to see it triple the number of flu deaths.

What is driving our journey?  Is it reality of the presentation of the "news"?  At what level does something bad transition to hysteria and how.

We do need to be careful.  As with during every flu season we need to regularly wash our hands.  We need to be careful of our contacts.  We need to learn not to casually touch with our hands our mouths, noses and eyes.

I'm not sure we need to put half the coutry out of work and go into another 5 trillion dollars of debt.

Time will tell, maybe.  Even then our assessment will be fraught with speculation. 

[Jess from VA]

So here's a question:  If you got a pint of blood transfused from someone who had it and lived, would you be immune?

[hubcapsc]

I think I already had it. I am 65 and I never ever get sick, do not even get the flu. Have not been sick in over 40 years. But on the first of Feb I got it. Classic symptoms and kicked my butt for 4 days and worst chills I ever had with not appetite and low energy terrible body aches and could not walk a flight of stairs. Then dry cough lasted 2 weeks. Did not know what it was and recovered within a week. Then my wife got it, then my sister in law visited us and got it but not her husband. (who has parkinsons disease) Well he never got it and I know find out he is on hydroxychloroquine as part of his parkinsons meds. As soon as the test becaomes avail to tell if you had it I am taking it.
BTW I was in Cabo San Lucas at the time for 2 weeks and think I got it on the plane going down.

Me to. Mid Feb but not on a plane or in Mexico.

I don't doubt it a bit.

You're here to tell!   I had inluenza over a decade ago that almost floored me.  I'm thinking this crap would put me in the cold ground.

I was sick through February, but my cough was not dry, the CVS "minute clinic" I went
to twice guessed I had bronchitis. I'd never been sick like that before, but who knows.
My wife didn't get sick...

-Mike

[Valkorado]

So here's a question:  If you got a pint of blood transfused from someone who had it and lived, would you be immune?

They are looking at plasma therapies, but those are aimed at treating the ill -- not at immunity for the healthy.

https://watertown.wickedlocal.com/news/20200403/first-us-coronavirus-patients-are-being-treated-with-convalescent-plasma-therapy-will-it-work-not-even-doctors-know

https://nypost.com/2020/04/03/coronavirus-survivor-donates-blood-to-save-other-victims/

[Wizzard]

Like I said,, they are coming out with a test that will tell if you had it. I will take that test when its avail.

[Jersey mike]

Boy I hate to be the morbid one but what is needed is the age groupings of those who;

1) got tested and were positive

2) got tested and were negative

3) got tested, tested positive but died

I know HIPA laws are what they are and they are in place for a good reason, but the realism of underlying conditions needs to be told also.

The headlines of “Dying From C-19” is inaccurate IMO, does it hurt less to those who passed, no it doesn’t. The drama of the virus is causing too many issues we didn’t need.

If ya get C19 then develop a cytokine storm leading to pneumonia, or have a heart attack, or acquire bacterial sepsis leading to infection and organ failure, or youre just unlucky enough to be over 60 - - and you die - -  was C19 your cause of death or was it merely a catalyst?   End result seems the same.   You're dead!

See I find that just because a person is 60 and older C-19 is an automatic death sentence. The reports from outside the USA...France I believe is that older people using the chloroquine and Zithromax are getting well and with no issues.

[Valkorado]

Boy I hate to be the morbid one but what is needed is the age groupings of those who;

1) got tested and were positive

2) got tested and were negative

3) got tested, tested positive but died

I know HIPA laws are what they are and they are in place for a good reason, but the realism of underlying conditions needs to be told also.

The headlines of “Dying From C-19” is inaccurate IMO, does it hurt less to those who passed, no it doesn’t. The drama of the virus is causing too many issues we didn’t need.

If ya get C19 then develop a cytokine storm leading to pneumonia, or have a heart attack, or acquire bacterial sepsis leading to infection and organ failure, or youre just unlucky enough to be over 60 - - and you die - -  was C19 your cause of death or was it merely a catalyst?   End result seems the same.   You're dead!

See I find that just because a person is 60 and older C-19 is an automatic death sentence. The reports from outside the USA...France I believe is that older people using the chloroquine and Zithromax are getting well and with no issues.

I certainly wasn't insinuating that it's an automatic death sentence for a person over 60 to catch C19.  I was just noting that some do die.  Yes, many don't.  I heard of a 101 year old geezer who beat it!

[Willow]

...
See I find that just because a person is 60 and older C-19 is an automatic death sentence. The reports from outside the USA...France I believe is that older people using the chloroquine and Zithromax are getting well and with no issues.

Older and automatic death sentence is a very untrue image presented by the media.  The death rate percentage for those older is higher but the ones I've seen only rise to 18.x%.  That means more than four out of five survive.

As to what part of the deaths are older people, Colorado with 98 deaths recently published that their youngest fatality was 41 years old. 

[Valkorado]

...
See I find that just because a person is 60 and older C-19 is an automatic death sentence. The reports from outside the USA...France I believe is that older people using the chloroquine and Zithromax are getting well and with no issues.

Older and automatic death sentence is a very untrue image presented by the media.  The death rate percentage for those older is higher but the ones I've seen only rise to 18.x%.  That means more than four out of five survive.

As to what part of the deaths are older people, Colorado with 98 deaths recently published that their youngest fatality was 41 years old. 

Yes El Paso county deputy, strapping guy in apparently good health.

[Jersey mike]

Valkyorado NJ lost a seemingly healthy/strong young man also.

https://www.nj.com/highschoolsports/2020/03/even-the-invincible-arent-invincible-hs-baseball-coach-30-dies-of-coronavirus.html

As I mentioned somewhere on the board, what are the underlying conditions if any for people who are young and supposedly healthy that die from the C-19.

[Willow]

You both apparently missed the point.  the point was that out of 98 deaths the youngest was forty-one. 

[Jersey mike]

You both apparently missed the point.  the point was that out of 98 deaths the youngest was forty-one. 

No, I was just trying to point out there are always anomaly’s in groupings and stats. Health isn’t always a perfect science.

[Valkorado]

You both apparently missed the point.  the point was that out of 98 deaths the youngest was forty-one.  

I didn't miss the point.  The officer was definitely much younger and apparently in better health than I.  

Actually according to Colorado’s website we've had a death in the  30-39 year old age group as well.

https://covid19.colorado.gov/case-data

Here's an article from your home state.

COVID-19 affecting 20-44-year-olds at high rates in Kansas

https://thesunflower.com/50506/news/covid-19-affecting-20-44-year-olds-at-high-rates-in-kansas/

[Jersey mike]

You both apparently missed the point.  the point was that out of 98 deaths the youngest was forty-one.  

I didn't miss the point.  The officer was definitely much younger and apparently in better health than I.  

Actually according to Colorado’s website we've had a death in the  30-39 year old age group as well.

https://covid19.colorado.gov/case-data

Here's an article from your home state.

COVID-19 affecting 20-44-year-olds at high rates in Kansas

https://thesunflower.com/50506/news/covid-19-affecting-20-44-year-olds-at-high-rates-in-kansas/

Individual physiology is not the same as biology and anatomy. What is perfectly healthy for you may be unhealthy or dangerous for me or someone else. How a virus impacts your system is different than how it may impact mine even though we are biologically and anatomically the same for the most part. Use smoking for example, some people can smoke their entire life and live to a ripe old age with little effect on their health or lifestyle while others develop respiratory issues, a form of cancer and/or a host of other issues.

[Willow]

...
Here's an article from your home state.

COVID-19 affecting 20-44-year-olds at high rates in Kansas

Not a real surprise.  People in that age range may be moving about more.  No claims have been made that older folks were more likely to catch the disease but some that older folks were more likely to be fatalities.  Some here have insisted it's killing folks all across the age groups.  It is but the percentage of deaths increases dramatically as the age climbs.

Forty-one is young to you and to me but it's actually well up the line to the older half of the population.

You and I are not likely to die of this virus anyway.  

[Pappy!]

I can agree wholeheartedly on the statement above.
I am the oldest at my workplace. Florida stated that anyone 65 and older or that has a medical condition should self quarantine.
I did, more to protect my wife than any other reason.
In a boat business we have folks from all over the East and Mid-West down here as customers this time of year. Not taking that chance!!
To tie this in to the above statement the principals at work are both in low to mid-50s and in excellent health. They continue to go all over the area exposing themselves to many customers and refused to keep customers out of the workshop area. Am being ridiculed to a certain extent for not staying and working but .....whatever! 

[Valkorado]

...
Here's an article from your home state.

COVID-19 affecting 20-44-year-olds at high rates in Kansas

Not a real surprise.  People in that age range may be moving about more.  No claims have been made that older folks were more likely to catch the disease but some that older folks were more likely to be fatalities.  Some here have insisted it's killing folks all across the age groups.  It is but the percentage of deaths increases dramatically as the age climbs.

Forty-one is young to you and to me but it's actually well up the line to the older half of the population.

You and I are not likely to die of this virus anyway.  

My goal is to not even get infected with it.   God willing.

[shortleg]

I only pray one thing and that is that China gets what’s coming to them, and
 They do not come out of this smelling like that there rose.
And that China will not be winning with out firing one shot.

[Valkorado]

I only pray one thing and that is that China gets what’s coming to them, and
 They do not come out of this smelling like that there rose.
And that China will not be winning with out firing one shot.

I hope so too.  Of course, they have other ideas.

https://news.yahoo.com/china-wants-coronavirus-over-world-103022425.html
China Wants to Use the Coronavirus to Take Over the World