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98valk
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« Reply #80 on: April 15, 2020, 08:16:39 PM »

SPOKANE, Wash. (AP) —   Shea questioned whether Inslee would use the state’s National Guard to enforce his orders and if he would force inoculation of residents after a coronavirus vaccine becomes available.

”Quarantine is only supposed to be for sick people not mandatory for healthy law abiding people,” Shea wrote on Facebook. “Otherwise constitutionally and legally that starts creeping into martial law territory.”


 In deeply conservative eastern Washington state, a prominent state lawmaker kicked out of his Republican Party caucus labels the coronavirus as a foreign bio-weapon, accuses Marxists of using the pandemic to advance totalitarianism and rails against lockdown restrictions imposed by the Democratic governor.

A California teleconference last week to consider sport fishing limits in rural areas unprepared to handle influxes of anglers descended into chaos — with callers branding state officials as “fascists” and declaring it was time to “make fishing great again.”

Across the U.S., elected officials from Pennsylvania to Oklahoma suspicious of big government and outraged with orders to close churches, gun stores and other businesses deemed non-essential insist that the public health response is being used as an excuse to trample constitutional rights.

https://apnews.com/61d9bbe247e03a90b8071d3529d35e31

 
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« Reply #81 on: April 16, 2020, 10:25:03 AM »

murphy states  bill of rights don't matter.  this guy also stated in his first news conference he didn't shut down the state until he talked to pelosi, shummer and booker first.


http://shorenewsnetwork.com/2020/04/16/tucker-carlson-just-completely-destroyed-governor-phil-murphy/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook

Tonight, New Jersey Governor Phil Murphy was on Fox News with host Tucker Carlson, and got completely destroyed by the anchor.
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« Reply #82 on: April 16, 2020, 02:42:06 PM »

https://www.westernjournal.com/nyc-officials-just-artificially-increased-covid-death-total-57/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=deepsix
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« Reply #83 on: April 19, 2020, 01:27:13 PM »

so many feel I'm tin foil hat, conspiracy nut, some other words by meathead and others which were pulled, etc.,
well I posted the following on « Reply #5 on: March 21, 2020, 01:22:55 PM » 
in this thread http://www.valkyrieforum.com/bbs/index.php/topic,110377.0.html
"how many are infected and dying. Info given out by the state authorities of states which are bankrupt and want federal bailout money and not call it that. The list of states below have been run for decades by.... well if I say my post will be pulled.

 these states are using it to get billions from the Fed Govt to fund their pension funds. these states are bankrupt they are holding this virus which is less deadly than the flu over the Federal Govt's head to get money to pay for their years of corruption."

Well here you go its in the news now.  the democrat shut down the state and slashed their revenues.

State lawmakers seek more than $41B in federal coronavirus aid — including $10B pension bailout
Illinois Senate President Don Harmon says the shutdown could undo the progress the cash-strapped state has made in improving its financial footing.

Illinois Senate Democrats are asking the federal government for more than $41 billion in federal aid — about a quarter of it for a pension fund bailout — to keep the state financially afloat as the coronavirus pandemic continues to slash revenues across the board.

https://chicago.suntimes.com/politics/2020/4/18/21226547/illinois-coronavirus-federal-aid-41-billion
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« Reply #84 on: April 20, 2020, 03:19:47 PM »

The flu and other sickness can give same symptoms.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-14/nyc-adds-3-700-to-death-toll-to-count-victims-not-hospitalized

New York City added thousands of people to its coronavirus death toll to account for victims who died in recent weeks without a confirmed diagnosis.

The additional deaths -- totaling 3,778 -- pushed the city’s total to more than 10,000. Almost 60% of the unconfirmed coronavirus patients died inside hospitals, the city reported.

Freddi Goldstein, press secretary to Mayor Bill de Blasio, said Tuesday that the data include at-home deaths of people suspected of having Covid-19, the disease caused by the coronavirus. That judgment is based on reported symptoms including cough, fever and shortness of breath.
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« Reply #85 on: April 21, 2020, 05:16:11 AM »

https://apnews.com/dea52e0a0eb179d51ac5eed99a99bf10

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention told states Tuesday to include probable COVID-19 cases in their reports to the agency. Previously, most states reported only lab-confirmed cases and deaths.

There was already a big rise in New York City, where officials this week started counting people who had never tested positive for the coronavirus. That caused the city’s death count to jump by more than 3,700 on Tuesday.

States can report such illnesses how they want, but the CDC provides guidance. The federal agency often relies on an organization called the Council of State and Territorial Epidemiologists to help define cases.

The Council of State and Territorial Epidemiologists (CSTE) is a 501(c)(6) non-profit organization originally organized in 1955, founded in 1992, and based in Atlanta, Georgia. CSTE works to advance public health policy and workforce capacity for applied public health epidemiologists in all localities, states, and territories in the United States.[1]

CSTE also provides information, education, and developmental support of practicing epidemiologists in a wide range of areas as well as expertise for program and surveillance efforts. CSTE works with the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the U.S. Congress, the U.S. Department Health and Human Services, Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration (SAMHSA), and other partners. CSTE is led by an executive board composed of members who lead activities in various subject-specific steering committees.
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« Reply #86 on: April 21, 2020, 05:42:45 AM »

https://apnews.com/dea52e0a0eb179d51ac5eed99a99bf10

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention told states Tuesday to include probable COVID-19 cases in their reports to the agency. Previously, most states reported only lab-confirmed cases and deaths.

There was already a big rise in New York City, where officials this week started counting people who had never tested positive for the coronavirus. That caused the city’s death count to jump by more than 3,700 on Tuesday.

States can report such illnesses how they want, but the CDC provides guidance. The federal agency often relies on an organization called the Council of State and Territorial Epidemiologists to help define cases.

The Council of State and Territorial Epidemiologists (CSTE) is a 501(c)(6) non-profit organization originally organized in 1955, founded in 1992, and based in Atlanta, Georgia. CSTE works to advance public health policy and workforce capacity for applied public health epidemiologists in all localities, states, and territories in the United States.[1]

CSTE also provides information, education, and developmental support of practicing epidemiologists in a wide range of areas as well as expertise for program and surveillance efforts. CSTE works with the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the U.S. Congress, the U.S. Department Health and Human Services, Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration (SAMHSA), and other partners. CSTE is led by an executive board composed of members who lead activities in various subject-specific steering committees.

Do you do anything else other than post here? Do you sleep or go outside?
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98valk
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« Reply #87 on: April 27, 2020, 05:55:55 AM »

"Government mandating sick people to stay home is called quarantine. However, the government mandating healthy citizens to stay home, forcing businesses and churches to close is called tyranny,"

If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.
James Madison
(in 2020 it is a scary sounding virus name from a foreign country)

I believe there are more instances of the abridgement of freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments by those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations.
James Madison
(how far will they go with the next so called scare?)

Tyranny is defined as that which is legal for the government but illegal for the citizenry.
Unknown

It is the religion of ignorance that tyranny begins.
Benjamin Franklin

We are right to take alarm at the first experiment upon our liberties.
James Madison
(shut down of the country and our Liberties and destroy millions of lives to save a very few the same already sickly that could die from the flu?)

The means of defense against foreign danger historically have become the instruments of tyranny at home.
James Madison
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« Reply #88 on: July 02, 2020, 03:29:08 AM »

looks like democrats ARE pushing through the UN 2030 Agenda, which is their agenda also. most democrats and some republicans are UN Operatives, american in name only.

it is just amazing the correlations.
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/the-extra-600-americans-get-in-weekly-unemployment-benefits-ends-next-month-heres-what-lawmakers-are-proposing-to-replace-it-2020-06-09?mod=home-page

Last month, the Democratic-run House passed the $3 trillion HEROS Act, which would, among other things, extend the extra $600 federal unemployment benefit to January 2021.

The Congressional Budget Office found that if these benefits were extended through January 2021, an estimated five of every six recipients would receive more in benefits than they would from working those six months.

as a side note natural news links have been banned by facebook. I wonder why?

https://www.naturalnews.com/051058_2030_Agenda_United_Nations_global_enslavement.html
The United Nations 2030 Agenda decoded: It's a blueprint for the global enslavement of humanity under the boot of corporate masters

Translation of the UN's "2030 Agenda blueprint for globalist government" (controlled by corporate interests)
Goal 1) End poverty in all its forms everywhere

Translation: Put everyone on government welfare, food stamps, housing subsidies and handouts that make them obedient slaves to global government. Never allow people upward mobility to help themselves. Instead, teach mass victimization and obedience to a government that provides monthly "allowance" money for basic essentials like food and medicine. Label it "ending poverty."

https://www.naturalnews.com/051058_2030_Agenda_United_Nations_global_enslavement.html

https://www.naturalnews.com/053193_UN_Agenda_2030_corporate_fascism_totalitarian_socialism.html
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« Reply #89 on: July 02, 2020, 05:19:05 PM »

“Love your Enemies, for they tell you your Faults."
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« Reply #90 on: July 02, 2020, 05:59:12 PM »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUmJxoNdRik&feature=youtu.be


Elon Musk: false positive tests inflate COVID numbers
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« Reply #91 on: July 12, 2020, 06:15:00 PM »


https://vigilantcitizen.com/vigilantreport/covid-19-lockdown-a-global-human-experiment/

No matter what’s the origin of COVID-19, the response to this virus lead to a series of drastic and unprecedented changes on a global level. The dystopian future is now.

The threat of a deadly pandemic is the perfect context to introduce aggressive police state tactics. People are scared and they want to see decisive measures taken by their government. However, once this is all said and done, will society recover 100% of its freedoms? Or will it gradually go back to about 50%, celebrating each percent as a victory?


http://stateofthenation.co/?p=7673

CORONAVIRUS BIOWEAPON MYSTERY SOLVED: It’s all in the name!


https://prepareforchange.net/2020/02/16/staged-coronavirus-pandemic-an-international-criminal-conspiracy-of-epic-proportions/


Interested !

Did some research on cited source prepareforChange.net

Prepare for Change is a conspiracy and pseudoscience website that is very confusing. While they are preparing for a cosmic event they are also worried about other conspiracies such as Chemtrails: Chemtrails Represent the ‘No. 1 Health Issue of Our Time’ and Portal Walkers: Some Ways To Identify If You’re A Portal Walker. In general, Prepare for Change exclusively promotes conspiracies and pseudoscience.
Source : https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/prepare-for-change/


The website's owner is hiding his identity using a paid service
The address is anonymous, a PO Box is used
3 countries are involved in the set-up

I'd have to say I can't believe anything you post with that as your source
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« Reply #92 on: July 29, 2020, 04:36:39 PM »

and I've been stating this from the beginning.

"The second data point is harder to find, because so many people are asymptomatic, but the most reliable data I have found is in this meta-analysis by Stanford’s Dr. John Ioannidis titled, The infection fatality rate of COVID-19 inferred from seroprevalence data. What does the paper conclude? A median IFR of 0.25%. It’s hard to make this point strongly enough: a virus with an IFR this low would never, ever merit the response we’ve seen from health authorities and elected officials. COVID-19 is hardly a “once in a century pandemic” as some try to say, it’s a strong flu bug, nothing more. "

https://jbhandleyblog.com/home/2020/7/27/lockdownlunacythree
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« Reply #93 on: July 29, 2020, 05:07:26 PM »

Geez - how many of us have been saying that all along ? I know I have.
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« Reply #94 on: July 29, 2020, 05:43:41 PM »

A conspiracy theory kind of guy might say the following:

China was being schooled and changes were being made that would restrict its desired goals of global domination.  This was all been done while Trump was president.  Therefore it must be attributed to him.

Iran was being whacked from within and without.  They were losing power. 

Any success by the current President (Trump) in making major improvements in the economy, the minimization of governmental red tape to take a leak, ect.  would mean he would likely have a second term.

The offended political party tried to impeach the President and failed.  They took every possible step to hurt those who supported him and where his political allies and generally failed.

When COVID19 hit Wuhan, the Chinese officials saw a major opportunity to do two things that they could not otherwise do.

One, spread a disease through out the world, use the World Health Organization to, at first say "no worries" and then say, you have to shut down your economies to slow the spread. 

It so doing they did what they could not do my other means (besides force) and shutdown the worlds largest economy.

The Democrats, seeing what this did to the economy and after noting that the virus was not as bad as originally though (remember all those provisional hospitals and the Hospital Ship in New Your???), seized this as a way to stifled the robust economy by keeping their states shut down while Republican led states limited and reduced their shutdowns. 

That is where we are today.  And we owe it all to the Chinese and the Democrat party.  They are both complicit in those 148,866 deaths recored by the CDC as being attributed to COVID19.   

And, just for the record, here is what the curves look like.  Fear is a useful tool if you fail to understand your enemy.




https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm#Race_Hispanic

As a caveat, and since I am a conspiracy theorist, what if the Republican lead states that were opened for Memorial Day and the Fourth of July were sent known asymptomatic COVID19 positive persons to infect the large groups that celebrated?   

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« Reply #95 on: July 29, 2020, 05:51:56 PM »

By that chart - we've done a pretty good job of squashing it (by deaths anyway). Number of cases maybe spiking - but we are NOT seeing a corresponding increase in numbers of deaths - which means we probably have some effective treatments working on current patients. Which supports an all out opening of the country - unless there are political hacks wanting it to look bad. And if we FIND said political hacks - they should go straight to Gitmo - no trial.
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« Reply #96 on: July 29, 2020, 06:17:56 PM »

A conspiracy theory kind of guy might say the following:
...
As a caveat, and since I am a conspiracy theorist, what if the Republican lead states that were opened for Memorial Day and the Fourth of July were sent known asymptomatic COVID19 positive persons to infect the large groups that celebrated?  

Too much conspiracy theory.

I believe it was an accident in Wuhan.  The Chinese Communist Party did what they do in trying to cover up their error.

The media and various U.S. political and world elements took advantage of the situation.

We are being sold a bill of goods.  We are instructed to be panicked because of the lethality of the disease.  A review of recent California (they were easy to find) stats indicate the lethal rate of known cases is 1.7 percent.  That is probably overstated as not all cases are known and thus counted.  The highest percentage age group is eighty and above with a twenty-two percent lethal rate, again likely overstated.

That means the most at risk group has about an eighty percent chance of recovering from the disease.  Across the board and counting all age groups the average person with the disease has a 98.3 chance of recovering.

We are thrown big numbers instead of percentages because the average American is simply not able to grasp what the numbers mean within a 330,000,000+ population.

As to intentional spreading by asymptomatic persons, the latest studies show that spreading from those folks is very rare.  It would be a bad plan.
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« Reply #97 on: July 29, 2020, 06:36:41 PM »

A conspiracy theory kind of guy might say the following:
...
As a caveat, and since I am a conspiracy theorist, what if the Republican lead states that were opened for Memorial Day and the Fourth of July were sent known asymptomatic COVID19 positive persons to infect the large groups that celebrated?   

Too much conspiracy theory.

I believe it was an accident in Wuhan.  The Chinese Communist Party did what they do in trying to cover up their error.

The media and various U.S. political and world elements took advantage of the situation.

We are being sold a bill of goods.  We are instructed to be panicked because of the lethality of the disease.  A review of recent California (they were easy to find) stats indicate the lethal rate of known cases is 1.7 percent.  That is probably overstated as not all cases are known and thus counted.  The highest percentage age group is eighty and above with a twenty-two percent lethal rate, again likely overstated.

That means the most at risk group has about an eighty percent chance of recovering from the disease.  Across the board and counting all age groups the average person with the disease has a 98.3 chance of recovering.

We are thrown big numbers instead of percentages because the average American is simply not able to grasp what the numbers mean within a 330,000,000+ population.

As to intentional spreading by asymptomatic persons, the latest studies show that spreading from those folks is very rare.  It would be a bad plan.

I would go further and state that such a plan to spread C-19 would be doomed to failure. Asymptomatic people don't carry nor spread as much of a virus load as those who are showing symptoms.
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