Sweden’s approach to C-19

[Jersey mike]

I have to believe by now most have heard Sweden’s approach to handling C-19 is much different from how most other countries are dealing with it, there has been pretty much no restrictions placed on the people and life has pretty much just continues on as it did before.

Here’s a current look at their numbers. Yes some say their death rate is a percentage point or so above the USA but not anything scary.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/

I would love to push for zero restrictions here, but I’m putting this here because it shows with or without restrictions the virus still spreads and it’s not the killer it’s being dramatized as.

If this was the killer virus it’s being portrayed as, Sweden with not instituting personal protection, lockdowns, school shutdowns, business closures and travel restrictions should be on the verge of being wiped completely out, but instead they are just carrying on with life as normal.

[_Sheffjs_]

For the record, the Swedish hospitals do not put effort into saving the compromised elderly. They do not get ventilators, and that drives the numbers up. And yes no masks unless one wants to there.  I would have no issue being in Sweden right now!  Especially if I had my bike with me. 

[Valkorado]

If this was the killer virus it’s being portrayed as, Sweden with not instituting personal protection, lockdowns, school shutdowns, business closures and travel restrictions should be on the verge of being wiped completely out, but instead they are just carrying on with life as normal.

I don't support mandates but it's a killer virus.  For those it kills, anyway.

https://www.wfaa.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/coronavirus-kills-another-1000-in-texas-in-just-10-days/287-e3b77f84-471a-42e7-b4fb-df9fec5c6bb4

[98valk]

If this was the killer virus it’s being portrayed as, Sweden with not instituting personal protection, lockdowns, school shutdowns, business closures and travel restrictions should be on the verge of being wiped completely out, but instead they are just carrying on with life as normal.

I don't support mandates but it's a killer virus.  For those it kills, anyway.

https://www.wfaa.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/coronavirus-kills-another-1000-in-texas-in-just-10-days/287-e3b77f84-471a-42e7-b4fb-df9fec5c6bb4

please it is well proven the numbers have been skewed for c19.   at first the numbers coming in were showing that c19 was less dangerous than the seasonal flu virus, which was happening at the same time and then all of a sudden zero reports on this seasons flu virus. there is a documented point when they started including all flu cases and deaths as c19.   money to be made, agendas to be accomplished  like pushing people to cashless sales since there is a coin shortage, etc.

[Valkorado]

Time will tell, not arguing that some are likely "skewed".

[Jersey mike]

For the record, the Swedish hospitals do not put effort into saving the compromised elderly. They do not get ventilators, and that drives the numbers up. And yes no masks unless one wants to there.  I would have no issue being in Sweden right now!  Especially if I had my bike with me. 

Touring Sweden on the bike would be a great adventure.

[Jersey mike]

If this was the killer virus it’s being portrayed as, Sweden with not instituting personal protection, lockdowns, school shutdowns, business closures and travel restrictions should be on the verge of being wiped completely out, but instead they are just carrying on with life as normal.

I don't support mandates but it's a killer virus.  For those it kills, anyway.

https://www.wfaa.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/coronavirus-kills-another-1000-in-texas-in-just-10-days/287-e3b77f84-471a-42e7-b4fb-df9fec5c6bb4

A killer virus is quite extreme IMO, So is the flu, meningitis, HIV or hepatitis. The point is, a whole country, albeit much smaller than the USA, has soldiered on with no catastrophic results as is hyped for us here in the States. A whole country continues to live life, send children to school, conduct business, enjoy dining out in cafes and restaurants and gather for other social events.

To think “we” here can slow or prevent the virus from jumping around is outrageous, presumptive, ridiculous and above all kind of aggravating. The USA is a great country and we do many things that are really terrific but for us as a nation to believe “we” can stop the spread or contain it is a real ego trip.

The whole country of Sweden is totally exposed with the bare minimum of hiding from it and the result is life goes on. Yes people die there, yes it’s sad to loose a loved one but life is going on. People are catching it and getting better too. The whole country is not “falling dead in the streets” (as some want us to believe will happen) from the bare minimum of protection with a maximum of exposure on an every day basis. The protection of each and every person is impossible, the idea of “I’m” responsible to protect others from catching it is outlandish and the ridicule for not believing “each of us” is responsible for the well being of the people as a whole.

BTW, I’m not saying you are causing ridicule, I’m going with the PC and new social norm form of ridicule.

[Alberta Patriot]

How About Tuberculosis...1.5 million deaths per year. Masks should have been mandatory for decades.

[Valkorado]

I agree the ridicule is ridiculous!  On both sides.  We live in a free country, and should be free to make decisions that affect our own lives.  

[Alberta Patriot]

I agree the ridicule is ridiculous!  On both sides.  We live in a free country, and should be free to make decisions that affect our own lives.  

If it's so free why are you forced into lockdowns, masks etc in democrat run areas??

[Valkorado]

I didn't say it was free of Democrats.

[..]

To think “we” here can slow or prevent the virus from jumping around is outrageous, presumptive, ridiculous and above all kind of aggravating. The USA is a great country and we do many things that are really terrific but for us as a nation to believe “we” can stop the spread or contain it is a real ego trip.

 

We are all going to get it. Either as a needle or naturally.

[Valkorado]

There's no doubt we can't prevent the virus from jumping around -- as a society.  I just would like to minimize the chances that it'll jump into me! anytime soon!  Selfish bastid, I know.   

It's just an experience I'd rather postpone or avoid altogether for some reason.  Win, lose or draw.

[Jersey mike]

There's no doubt we can't prevent the virus from jumping around -- as a society.  I just would like to minimize the chances that it'll jump into me! anytime soon!  Selfish bastid, I know.   

It's just an experience I'd rather postpone or avoid altogether for some reason.  Win, lose or draw.

Not selfish...justifiable. You should be concerned about yourself.

Nobody wants this virus, but to each their own, how each person approaches it. Me personally I’m not afraid of it. Those words could come back and bite me but I understand and accept the consequences.

[Big Rig]

Similar to smoking...I dont care if you smoke...your choice. You and I know it may kill you sooner than not smoking...your life your choice.

The problem with the virus, they haven't figured out how to tax it yet...other than thru masks.

[Valkorado]

There's no doubt we can't prevent the virus from jumping around -- as a society.  I just would like to minimize the chances that it'll jump into me! anytime soon!  Selfish bastid, I know.  

It's just an experience I'd rather postpone or avoid altogether for some reason.  Win, lose or draw.

Not selfish...justifiable. You should be concerned about yourself.

Nobody wants this virus, but to each their own, how each person approaches it. Me personally I’m not afraid of it. Those words could come back and bite me but I understand and accept the consequences.

I'm not afraid of it Mike.  Ask me again if I get it.

[oldsmokey]

One doctors view point of a cloth mask was "like stopping a fly with a chain link fence"

If you are compromised with health conditions protect yourself, and ones you may take care of.

This thing may not go away, and it may continually change.

The world has to go on.

[F6Dave]

I work with a woman from Sweden.  She still has many relatives and friends living there, and talks with them frequently.  She said it's not nearly as good there as some would have us believe.  The hardest hit are the nursing homes, which she says resemble NYC in some places.

[scooperhsd]

Nursing Homes the world over are going to be hotspots - the nature of their patients. About the only way to prevent spread is to lock the staff in with the patients in total quarantine before anybody gets the coronavirus - all supplies have to be brought in by no-contact methods trucks.

[Jersey mike]

There's no doubt we can't prevent the virus from jumping around -- as a society.  I just would like to minimize the chances that it'll jump into me! anytime soon!  Selfish bastid, I know.  

It's just an experience I'd rather postpone or avoid altogether for some reason.  Win, lose or draw.

Not selfish...justifiable. You should be concerned about yourself.

Nobody wants this virus, but to each their own, how each person approaches it. Me personally I’m not afraid of it. Those words could come back and bite me but I understand and accept the consequences.

I'm not afraid of it Mike.  Ask me again if I get it.

I wasn’t implying you were afraid of it, you have every right to gauge how it may impact you and make decisions based on what you believe are best for your safety and the safety of your family.

[Jersey mike]

https://www.theblaze.com/op-ed/horowitz-sweden-riding-high-and-the-triumph-of-the-rational-herd-immunity-approach



“On Tuesday, Sweden reported 0 deaths and just 77 cases. Over the past week, deaths have been no higher than two per day. What is so remarkable is that while there are other countries that have had near-zero deaths for even longer, Sweden has achieved this through herd immunity; prevented the lockdown deaths, emotional abuse, drug deaths, suicides, and financial ruin plaguing other countries; and – most importantly – is more fortified against a resurgence than these other countries that delayed herd immunity.“

“ Countries in Asia that have really high levels of compliance are experiencing sharp spikes in cases. Mexico is still going through its peak with near universal mask-wearing. As you can see, Germany has even more compliance than the U.S. and has a much smaller group of virulent opponents who "never" wear masks. The only countries with high compliance that have not yet seen a resurgence are those that have already gotten hit hard and may already have achieved herd immunity, such as Italy.”

“Except there is another country that is not seeing a resurgence because it likely also achieved herd immunity. Sweden! 86% say they "never" wear masks. The difference is that Sweden achieved that immunity with far fewer deaths than Italy and without all of the unfathomable collateral damage of lockdowns.”

[3fan4life]

I've said all along that Sweden was the country to watch.

"Experts" are slamming them because their numbers were initially going up faster than their neighbors.

Now,  it looks like Sweden may be experiencing a minor increase in numbers while those around are seeing a large increase.

[Jersey mike]

I've said all along that Sweden was the country to watch.

"Experts" are slamming them because their numbers were initially going up faster than their neighbors.

Now,  it looks like Sweden may be experiencing a minor increase in numbers while those around are seeing a large increase.

Masks or no masks the virus is out there. It’s either run and hide or face it head on and fight it naturally.

Worst case scenario is Sweden sees a spike here and there and knows what life is like while not cowering in fear like the majority of the world is doing. If Sweden wants to export some blonde blue eyed ladies well I’m pretty sure they will find a place to stay here in the states.

[cookiedough]

I've said all along that Sweden was the country to watch.

"Experts" are slamming them because their numbers were initially going up faster than their neighbors.

Now,  it looks like Sweden may be experiencing a minor increase in numbers while those around are seeing a large increase.

Masks or no masks the virus is out there. It’s either run and hide or face it head on and fight it naturally.

Worst case scenario is Sweden sees a spike here and there and knows what life is like while not cowering in fear like the majority of the world is doing. If Sweden wants to export some blonde blue eyed ladies well I’m pretty sure they will find a place to stay here in the states.

I have a spare bedroom or 2 for those swedish blonde felines... just do not tell the wifey...

As Alien has said though in another post,  take this seriously since innocent lives are being taken every single day. 

All of WI Governor Evers is mandated masks in all establishments starting this Saturday.  Not so sure that will sit too well with a lot of us folks in the more rural areas and small towns.  I do see though today in the biggest town nearby of 10K people EVERYONE has masks on at the 2 grocery stores I was in but if I go downtown in my town of only 1100 people only a few are wearing masks in the grocery store.   This could get ugly for I am pretty sure a lot of the old timer farmers/rural folks and younger folks will be fighting and/or rioting more so in WI due to mandated mask use all over.  If nothing else there will be a ton more cussing each other out at stores for someone who refuses to wear a mask starting this Saturday.    Time to oil the guns and get them sighted in might need it soon for angry people who refuse to wear masks nearby..

[Serk]

I have a spare bedroom or 2 for those swedish blonde felines... just do not tell the wifey...

Spousal unit has said I can have a live in mistress as long as she cooks and cleans..... so if you have any contact info for 'em, lemme know!

[scooperhsd]

I admire your energy if you can actually pull that off . Personally, I find just the wife to be enough...

[cookiedough]

a spare would be nice to have though...

just put in the ad must cook and clean, problem solved,  just do not show them a pic of my face..

[shortleg]

   I would just like to add that I got tested and found that I had gotten it
 and didn't know and was told I had the Anti bodies.
   Now I am truly blessed that it turned out that way for me
 being that I am 72 years old.
   I dont know how this happened to me.
 Would love to give blood but because of the drugs I am on
it prohibits me from doing so.
   Sweden is a much smaller country and they have always been a bit
 of a different mind set.

[Jess from VA]

David, with the high percentage of false positives out there, I'd be careful of thinking I had good antibodies against reinfection (or an original infection). 

[Jersey mike]

   I would just like to add that I got tested and found that I had gotten it
 and didn't know and was told I had the Anti bodies.
   Now I am truly blessed that it turned out that way for me
 being that I am 72 years old.
   I dont know how this happened to me.
 Would love to give blood but because of the drugs I am on
it prohibits me from doing so.
   Sweden is a much smaller country and they have always been a bit
 of a different mind set.

Be well and watch after yourself.

[Valkorado]

David, with the high percentage of false positives out there, I'd be careful of thinking I had good antibodies against reinfection (or an original infection).  

+1

[Jersey mike]

Current article 8/8/20:

Sweden still impresses me on their approach, it obviously works.

https://www.businessinsider.com/sweden-coronavirus-rates-fall-but-other-countries-still-fare-better-2020-8

“ The logic was that a gentler approach would be more sustainable in the long-term, and avoid a dynamic whereby the virus was kept at bay only as long as the nation could withstand severe restrictions.”

“Initially, it did not look good — the number of Swedish people dying from the virus soared in the lax environment. Its per-capita death rate became one of the worst in the world by March, as other nations were taking desperate measures to rein in the virus.”

“More than four months later, Sweden is now on a trajectory much closer to that of other European nations. Its daily new infections have now fallen from a peak the end of June, and have stayed down since.“

“But its current position still doesn't look good compared to many European countries.”

“As well as having its decline in numbers later, Sweden also has had a less sharp decline overall.“

“Over the last seven days, the UK, with a population of 66 million, has seen an average of 818 new cases a day.”

“And Italy, with a population of 60 million, has seen an average of 208 cases a day.“

“While Sweden, with around 10 million people, has seen an average of 212 new cases a day.“

“That means Sweden's new daily coronavirus cases are, as a proportion of population, more than 1.5 times higher than those in the UK, and around six times higher than in Italy.“

[Valkorado]

Sweden's "trajectory" may now be much closer to their "other European neighbors".  America's trajectory hasn't been one to boast about.

[Jersey mike]

For those who like the opinion of the WHO: these are basically the same article, read either or both.

https://fortune.com/2020/08/31/sweden-covid-response-who-official-death-rate/

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-08-31/who-special-envoy-heaps-praise-on-sweden-s-covid-strategy

Where Sweden was ranked as high as 8th I believe a few weeks ago they are now down the lost at 39.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/


https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/

[Valkorado]

And we're #1!

[Jersey mike]

And we're #1!

Yes we are and still doing the same old thing but we are making some headway. Daily deaths and “cases” are down pretty far.

Sweden has decided to open up from 50 to 500 people allowed to gather using their own discretion to whether or not wear masks. Last I read only about 10% of the people do wear masks and yet their cases and deaths are low.

Here in N.J. restaurants, bars, movie theaters and gyms will finally be permitted to reopen this week at a max of 150 people or 25% of the normal seating capacity for indoor use.

[carolinarider09]

We are #1????  YES WE ARE!!! The best, cleanest, most fun place to live and work the world has ever know.

Oh you mean we are #1 about the virus????  REALLY!!!!

In total cases identified?  In deaths related to the China Virus?

Who is generating these numbers you are comparing?  The WHO          The CDC     

Where are the numbers coming from? 

Anyone who compares our numbers, be it deaths, or cases, to another country has to really, really consider the country and how their numbers are generated. 

just for instance.  Lets look at the number from the link below (which I have followed since the beginning).

Total cases worldwide 25,872,979

Cases listed in:

USA    6,254,639
India   3,766,108
China       85,058

REALLY!...... India has half the case of the China virus as compared to the US. 

REALLY!..... China has about 1/74 of the number of cases we had????????????   

My point is, numbers only count here at home for comparison over time. Comparing to another country has to be done with skepticism, and a real long look.  And probably should not be done at all. 

https://coronavirus.thebaselab.com

[Jersey mike]

We are #1????  YES WE ARE!!! The best, cleanest, most fun place to live and work the world has ever know.

Oh you mean we are #1 about the virus????  REALLY!!!!

In total cases identified?  In deaths related to the China Virus?

Who is generating these numbers you are comparing?  The WHO          The CDC     

Where are the numbers coming from? 

Anyone who compares our numbers, be it deaths, or cases, to another country has to really, really consider the country and how their numbers are generated. 

just for instance.  Lets look at the number from the link below (which I have followed since the beginning).

Total cases worldwide 25,872,979

Cases listed in:

USA    6,254,639
India   3,766,108
China       85,058

REALLY!...... India has half the case of the China virus as compared to the US. 

REALLY!..... China has about 1/74 of the number of cases we had????????????   

My point is, numbers only count here at home for comparison over time. Comparing to another country has to be done with skepticism, and a real long look.  And probably should not be done at all. 

https://coronavirus.thebaselab.com

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[Serk]

As long as you wear a mask, social distance, hand sanitize and stay inside, you're healthy! You can then eat all the crap you want, not exercise etc! It's science!!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpGjeOhhVOI

[Valkorado]

As long as you wear a mask, social distance, hand sanitize and stay inside, you're healthy! You can then eat all the crap you want, not exercise etc! It's science!!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpGjeOhhVOI

And smoke and drink.  Don't forget to smoke and drink heavily!