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The article says "hundreds of thousands of bikers".. and they didn't wear masks or social distance.. Given the reliability of testing I'd have to say it's a win for those who don't believe in Covid-1984. You can't argue with the given math, and I don't trust the reporting entities to provide any non-false numbers. They're likely scouring every nook and cranny to come up with more 'cases' to bolster their own agenda.. I look at this as a good development, it seems to shoot big holes in the theory of mass infections if folks don't follow the 'guidelines'. JMO |
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The article says "hundreds of thousands of bikers".. and they didn't wear masks or social distance.. Given the reliability of testing I'd have to say it's a win for those who don't believe in Covid-1984. You can't argue with the given math, and I don't trust the reporting entities to provide any of non-false numbers. They're likely scouring every nook and cranny to come up with more 'cases' to bolster their own agenda.. I look at this as a good development, it seems to shoot big holes in the theory of mass infections if folks don't follow the 'guidelines'. JMO 103 cases over ten days with "hundreds of thousands" participating?  I rest my case. Isn't that 0.05 to 0.02 percent (depending upon how many hundreds of thousands). OK, now I rest my case.  |
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The article says "hundreds of thousands of bikers".. and they didn't wear masks or social distance.. Given the reliability of testing I'd have to say it's a win for those who don't believe in Covid-1984. You can't argue with the given math, and I don't trust the reporting entities to provide any of non-false numbers. They're likely scouring every nook and cranny to come up with more 'cases' to bolster their own agenda.. I look at this as a good development, it seems to shoot big holes in the theory of mass infections if folks don't follow the 'guidelines'. JMO 103 cases over ten days with "hundreds of thousands" participating? I rest my case. Isn't that 0.05 to 0.02 percent (depending upon how many hundreds of thousands). OK, now I rest my case. It certainly makes a better case for opening everything back up than it does for keeping things shut down. |
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I agree with all the previous posts about the numbers telling the story.
But, I would also suggest that those most in danger of succumbing to this virus were not in attendance at Sturgis but, there's a good chance those affected people may come into contact with those in the "highest risk" zone.
Those like myself who are in the high risk zone should continue to follow CDC guidelines IMO.
After several recent medical visits, I was informed that due to my age and certain health issues, I'm in the highest risk category. Good enough reason to listen the guidance already out there.
I'm a bit of a "Social Distancer" anyway so, it's not that much of a challenge for me.
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The percentages with those numbers are less than the population at large in similarly populated environments. What that says to me is that all the insistence on masks and distancing are largely meaningless.
Higher risk? What does that mean. The highest risk categories are listing a recovery rate of a little better than 84%.
We are, a large number of us, being frightened unreasonably by slanted press reports. Look at the numbers.
If one chooses to stay home and to wear a mask in public I've no real problem with that. I do have a problem with people being convinced that masks do what they do not do. I have a huge problem with everyone being forced (mandated?) to practice meaningless measures and especially when those meaningless measures have an economic and social price associated with them.
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If you're concerned about contracting C-19 - follow these simple, basic rules
1. Wash your hands often
2. Wear a mask
3. Social distance as much as you can. Be sure to wear a mask if you can't.
4. Keep your social circle "Tight" with people you trust to be honest about their C-19 status. Then everybody in that circle be honest and truthful about it.
Yes , I'm by nature a social distancer as well. You will rarely catch me at an event with lots of strangers around.
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If you're concerned about contracting C-19 - follow these simple, basic rules
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2. Wear a mask
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4. Keep your social circle "Tight" with people you trust to be honest about their C-19 status. Then everybody in that circle be honest and truthful about it.
Yes , I'm by nature a social distancer as well. You will rarely catch me at an event with lots of strangers around. And that is what I meant by being frightened into meaningless practices. Wearing a mask does nothing to protect you. It's purpose is to protect others from you. It only does something if you're sick. Even then the way most people wear them it doesn't do that. Social distance protects you from sneezes and coughs. That's not something that we're very regularly exposed to. You didn't mention keeping your hands away from your mouth, nose and eyes. The disease isn't caught when you get it on your hands. It's caught when you put the infested hand to a doorway to your respiratory system. |
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I don't think much about the hands away from mouth nose and eyes. And I'm REALLY not thrilled about the mask thing - if I could go shopping without it, I would. I did, until our "wonderful governor" made it mandatory. If Biden wins, and tries to do a nationwide mandate - I'm quitting wearing one.
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I don't think much about the hands away from mouth nose and eyes. ...
Teaching oneself to minimize the times one puts hands to mouth, nose, and eyes is probably the most important means of avoiding viruses of all kinds. After one has touched something that might have been contaminated one should sanitize the hands. Additionally it's a good thing to develop a habit of not touching things with one's hands that one does not have to. pushing doors open with the arm; not running a hand down the hand rail; and such. If one has to pull open a door by the handle using the pinking will reduce the chances of that touch reaching one's nose or mouth. |
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I keep being told I'm part of those at high risk. I don't wear a mask unless I have to and even then I tend to forget. I'm not a social distancer, depending on what one thinks that means. I'll keep my distance from most, but, I'm gonna get my hugs and kisses from the girl friends and they feel the same.
Some folks will only elbow bump, they won't fist bump. I'll still shake your hand.
I keep running across folks that are still literally scared to death of this. They social distance with family and won't even pick up or hug the young grandkids. They won't let the grandparents babysit.
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As being in the high risk I top the list with diabetes, CLL, stage 3 kidney disease, and high blood pressure. Me and my wife both had the virus. Both survived and didn't wear a mask due to the above health issues. I trust the CDC and much as diarrhea with a bad cough. I know some here are taking the shot and experimental cure. After reading a lot about it if things goes wrong and possible long term sickness or death you cannot sue them or nothing because there was a bill signed by our government to protect them. So you would be suing the government and good luck with that. CDC has admitted on posting false numbers. Also all they said about not wearing a mask I guess my ghost must be writing this because I should be dead  David |
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The testing being done isn't all that good either. My son-in-law was working in a local church and struck up a conversation with the pastor. The pastor told him of offering his congregation a chance to be tested and 80 signed up for it. The pastor ordered 80 kits and upon the arrival an idea struck him....he simply opened each one, pulled out the contents and then placed it back in the kit container and sealed it as directed. None were used by the members that had signed up for them. The pastor then sent all 80 in for testing....the result; of the 80 kits, 67 came back positive. None had been exposed to any of the 80, they were not present. He simply opened them, closed and sealed them, then returned them. So much for reliable test results.
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Yes , I'm by nature a social distancer as well. You will rarely catch me at an event with lots of strangers around. Wearing a mask does nothing to protect you. It's purpose is to protect others from you. It only does something if you're sick. Even then the way most people wear them it doesn't do that Yes masks are about stopping the sick dispersing droplets but it also stops you touching your nose/mouth like many do without thinking.. Not that I have worn a mask just another thought |
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A little of topic, but now that Inzne has been over for a few weeks. Have ANY of our members that attended, came down with the plague?
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If you're concerned about contracting C-19 - follow these simple, basic rules
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4. Keep your social circle "Tight" with people you trust to be honest about their C-19 status. Then everybody in that circle be honest and truthful about it.
Yes , I'm by nature a social distancer as well. You will rarely catch me at an event with lots of strangers around. Wearing a mask does nothing to protect you. It's purpose is to protect others from you. It only does something if you're sick. Even then the way most people wear them it doesn't do that Yes masks are about stopping the sick dispersing droplets but it also stops you touching your nose/mouth like many do without thinking.. Not that I have worn a mask just another thought No actually it tends to make those not used to wearing one touch their face more as in adjusting pulling up or down on the mask. |
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As being in the high risk I top the list with diabetes, CLL, stage 3 kidney disease, and high blood pressure. Me and my wife both had the virus. Both survived and didn't wear a mask due to the above health issues. I trust the CDC and much as diarrhea with a bad cough. I know some here are taking the shot and experimental cure. After reading a lot about it if things goes wrong and possible long term sickness or death you cannot sue them or nothing because there was a bill signed by our government to protect them. So you would be suing the government and good luck with that. CDC has admitted on posting false numbers. Also all they said about not wearing a mask I guess my ghost must be writing this because I should be dead David So, now that it has been proven that COVID 19 can re-infect a person that already has had the virus, are you social distancing or wearing a mask when in public now? Just curious. Similar to Willow, I consider it your right to conduct your lives as you wish. Rams |
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The article says "hundreds of thousands of bikers".. and they didn't wear masks or social distance.. Given the reliability of testing I'd have to say it's a win for those who don't believe in Covid-1984. You can't argue with the given math, and I don't trust the reporting entities to provide any of non-false numbers. They're likely scouring every nook and cranny to come up with more 'cases' to bolster their own agenda.. I look at this as a good development, it seems to shoot big holes in the theory of mass infections if folks don't follow the 'guidelines'. JMO 103 cases over ten days with "hundreds of thousands" participating? I rest my case. Isn't that 0.05 to 0.02 percent (depending upon how many hundreds of thousands). OK, now I rest my case. isnt the key here that most of the festivities happen outside, therefore mitigating the spread appreciably? |
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A little of topic, but now that Inzne has been over for a few weeks. Have ANY of our members that attended, came down with the plague?
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As being in the high risk I top the list with diabetes, CLL, stage 3 kidney disease, and high blood pressure. Me and my wife both had the virus. Both survived and didn't wear a mask due to the above health issues. I trust the CDC and much as diarrhea with a bad cough. I know some here are taking the shot and experimental cure. After reading a lot about it if things goes wrong and possible long term sickness or death you cannot sue them or nothing because there was a bill signed by our government to protect them. So you would be suing the government and good luck with that. CDC has admitted on posting false numbers. Also all they said about not wearing a mask I guess my ghost must be writing this because I should be dead David So, now that it has been proven that COVID 19 can re-infect a person that already has had the virus, are you social distancing or wearing a mask when in public now? Just curious. Similar to Willow, I consider it your right to conduct your lives as you wish. Rams I have tried to keep my social distancing which I believe is a good practice. I have wore one in some stores with it pulled down below my noise like most people are doing. Don't know what percent are wearing them correctly but just about all I see are not wearing them right. I feel the mask would help a person that is coughing and sneezing, but those people need to stay home. Kathy and myself did more than the 14 day quarantine. I refuse to live in a box and if I get it again oh well. I don't welcome it and will continue living my life like I choose. I know Hattiesburg is real big on the mask. Not so bad here. I believe we are being tested on just how easy we can be controlled. Just my opinion and others are entitled to theirs. But on the mask issue I put up a chain link fence around my house to keep bugs out. Both work about the same. Again my opinion. Kinda like Almond Joy and Mounds. David |
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As being in the high risk I top the list with diabetes, CLL, stage 3 kidney disease, and high blood pressure. Me and my wife both had the virus. Both survived and didn't wear a mask due to the above health issues. I trust the CDC and much as diarrhea with a bad cough. I know some here are taking the shot and experimental cure. After reading a lot about it if things goes wrong and possible long term sickness or death you cannot sue them or nothing because there was a bill signed by our government to protect them. So you would be suing the government and good luck with that. CDC has admitted on posting false numbers. Also all they said about not wearing a mask I guess my ghost must be writing this because I should be dead David So, now that it has been proven that COVID 19 can re-infect a person that already has had the virus, are you social distancing or wearing a mask when in public now? Just curious. Similar to Willow, I consider it your right to conduct your lives as you wish. Rams I have tried to keep my social distancing which I believe is a good practice. I have wore one in some stores with it pulled down below my noise like most people are doing. Don't know what percent are wearing them correctly but just about all I see are not wearing them right. I feel the mask would help a person that is coughing and sneezing, but those people need to stay home. Kathy and myself did more than the 14 day quarantine. I refuse to live in a box and if I get it again oh well. I don't welcome it and will continue living my life like I choose. I know Hattiesburg is real big on the mask. Not so bad here. I believe we are being tested on just how easy we can be controlled. Just my opinion and others are entitled to theirs. But on the mask issue I put up a chain link fence around my house to keep bugs out. Both work about the same. Again my opinion. Kinda like Almond Joy and Mounds. David There's a reason they don't put screen doors on submarines I'm told.  I also wear a mask where required in retail stores, I also social distance but, for me that comes naturally. I'm not attracted to any men and most women scare me.  Rams |
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David, like you and Kathy both Bonnie and I had it and have the antibodies now Prudence kept me from Inzane as I am caregiver for my 88yr old mom and she has all kinds of issues.
I respect one's right to wear or not wear a mask and tell clients if they don't care I will take mine off
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Everyone do what feels best, I do not like being told what to do, or being kept away from court while the judges and clerks get full pay. Masks are probably as useful as a screen door on a submarine the way people behave around here. Most dont wear them and those that do many only cover the mouth and remove the mask to cough Rams funny you posted this at same time as me
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So, now that it has been proven that COVID 19 can re-infect a person that already has had the virus, are you social distancing or wearing a mask when in public now? Just curious.
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What I’d really like to know, is, how many positives were infected on the way to/from Sturgis as compared to at the rally it’s self.
Based on the data I've seen, read or have discussed with medical folks, every contact an infected person makes and multiple folks down the line (from 8 to ?) can be infected. So, the infected person who is asymptomatic can help spread the virus (unknowingly) and every person down that line can help spread it before they ever know they are infected. The vast majority survive, the numbers prove that. Younger folks with stronger immune systems have a much better chance of getting over it. The problem becomes much more significant when those with weaker immune systems are exposed. An example is nursing homes full of the elderly. We can debate all day whether or not masking up and social distancing slows this virus but, I believe the medical experts that large gatherings of people who do not follow the CDC guidelines are our biggest problem as it applies to this COVID 19 virus. YMMV but, all the information I've seen supports what the CDC is telling us. I'm definitely no expert on the subject. Rams |
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Based on the data I've seen, read or have discussed with medical folks, every contact an infected person makes and multiple folks down the line (from 8 to 12) can be infected. So, the infected person who is asymptomatic can help spread the virus (unknowingly) and every person down that line can help spread it before they ever know they are infected. The vast majority survive, the numbers prove that. Younger folks with stronger immune systems have a much better chance of getting over it. The problem becomes much more significant when those with weaker immune systems are exposed. An example is nursing homes full of the elderly. We can debate all day whether or not masking up and social distancing slows this virus but, I believe the medical experts that large gatherings of people who do not follow the CDC guidelines are our biggest problem as it applies to this COVID 19 virus. YMMV but, all the information I've seen supports what the CDC is telling us. I'm definitely no expert on the subject. Rams I would have thought 8-12 would be in normal conditions...... more for gatherings 1 person infected in our latest cluster has turned into over 100 positive cases linked so far (church group and workplaces mostly affected) When things first kicked of a wedding down south turned into 120 positive cases from 1 airhostess that was infected, takes a week or so for the cases to start presenting sick in most cases going by our numbers |
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« Reply #29 on: August 26, 2020, 06:44:14 PM » |
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Based on the data I've seen, read or have discussed with medical folks, ... I believe the medical experts that large gatherings of people who do not follow the CDC guidelines are our biggest problem as it applies to this COVID 19 virus. YMMV but, all the information I've seen supports what the CDC is telling us.
I'm definitely no expert on the subject. Look at the numbers. The attendance of Sturgis 2020 has been reported as just under 366 thousand. Noted was that many if not most were ignoring social distancing and masks. For the number of infections to be significant in that crowd the numbers need to be between 18 and 36 thousand. The original 103 reported (of which some had to arrive already infected) certainly doesn't back up what the "experts" have said regarding large gathering ignoring CDC guidelines being our biggest problem.  I guess we should wait to see whether the number of cases discovered grows enough but that's a long stretch. My impression of the CDC is that they seem to do a good job of collecting data, some true some fudged, but they are an absolute failure at predicting the future and identifying significant risks. |
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« Reply #30 on: August 26, 2020, 06:50:46 PM » |
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Based on the data I've seen, read or have discussed with medical folks, ... I believe the medical experts that large gatherings of people who do not follow the CDC guidelines are our biggest problem as it applies to this COVID 19 virus. YMMV but, all the information I've seen supports what the CDC is telling us.
I'm definitely no expert on the subject. Look at the numbers. The attendance of Sturgis 2020 has been reported as just under 366 thousand. Noted was that many if not most were ignoring social distancing and masks. For the number of infections to be significant in that crowd the numbers need to be between 18 and 36 thousand. The original 103 reported (of which some had to arrive already infected) certainly doesn't back up what the "experts" have said regarding large gathering ignoring CDC guidelines being our biggest problem. I guess we should wait to see whether the number of cases discovered grows enough but that's a long stretch. My impression of the CDC is that they seem to do a good job of collecting data, some true some fudged, but they are an absolute failure at predicting the future and identifying significant risks. Again, your choice to believe what you wish. We really don't know what the few infected people that attended Sturgis did, what their social interaction was. It could have been a singular infected person for all we know. Unlikely but, we simply don't know. I have no doubt the overwhelming majority of attendees were virus free, the numbers so you fondly speak of would support that. But, what those few folks (who were infected) did and who they socialized with is not really known (at least by me) and I don't believe anyone really knows at this point. I don't like masking up any more than the next person but, I do believe it helps prevent spreading germs, virus and vapors that carry such things. The only analogy I can come up with is, it's like a filter, (an oil filter if you will). No filter catches all the contaminants but, if it catches some or half (pick a percentage) then it's done some good. Again, believe what you wish. I'm up to my neck in other issues (COVID 19 related) and don't have the desire to debate it with you. Rams |
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« Reply #31 on: August 26, 2020, 06:58:58 PM » |
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Again, your choice to believe what you wish.
I don't just randomly choose what I believe. I look at the evidence the numbers provide. I make it my purpose to believe what is correct rather than depending upon someone who has repeatedly misinformed. Misinformed to me means the numbers simply didn't support what they presented. |
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« Reply #32 on: August 26, 2020, 07:05:14 PM » |
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Again, your choice to believe what you wish.
I don't just randomly choose what I believe. I look at the evidence the numbers provide. I make it my purpose to believe what is correct rather than depending upon someone who has repeatedly misinformed. Misinformed to me means the numbers simply didn't support what they presented. You have the right to make your own determination. Ride safe. Rams |
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« Reply #33 on: August 26, 2020, 07:39:51 PM » |
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I may have missed it because I seldom look at MSN, but was there a similar article on MSN about all the new corona virus cases that resulted from the riots in Tacoma. Chicago, DC and all the other peaceful protests, or just from the gatherings that they didn't like?
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« Reply #34 on: August 26, 2020, 07:40:37 PM » |
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I may have missed it because I seldom look at MSN, but was there a similar article on MSN about all the new corona virus cases that resulted from the riots in Tacoma. Chicago, DC and all the other peaceful protests, or just from the gatherings that they didn't like?
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« Reply #35 on: August 26, 2020, 07:44:44 PM » |
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« Reply #36 on: August 27, 2020, 05:00:29 AM » |
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When did the event end? Some where around August 16?
If that date is right, then 10 days have gone by. since most people have left and gone other places, most likely home.
So by Monday 8/31/20 it will 2 full weeks. Let see what happens in the good town of Sturgis as well as any surrounding locations in the week leading up to Labor Day. That will be 3 weeks after 400,000 people were there.
Those 400,000 had to go somewhere, so we will see in couple weeks any big flairs or hot spots.
I’ll say this if someone was there and gets sick...NOT TESTS POSITIVE... they should say I was there.
I really believe this virus is weakening.
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« Reply #37 on: August 27, 2020, 07:07:13 AM » |
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I’ll say this if someone was there and gets sick...NOT TESTS POSITIVE... they should say I was there.
I really believe this virus is weakening.
Maybe, there are still some "hot spots" but, people seem to be taking the "threat" seriously now. Well, the possible exception of groups of younger folks. Of course, if not then, we're coming into Flu season which has always had a significant effect on the human population. The two combined would not be a good thing but, the same measures are supposed to be applicable to suppressing such events so, maybe we're learning and adapting. I won't say evolving. Rams |
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« Reply #38 on: August 27, 2020, 07:32:05 AM » |
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I just want to add a couple of thoughts. I am by no means an expert on the subject so take this with a grain of salt or ignore all together if you wish. I wear a mask and limit contact with family. Mainly because I have been in the situation of wondering if I brought something home that was the demise of someone. Trust me that thought never leaves you once it's there. Also to those condemning what the scientist's predict for the future. So far I have not meet a single soul that can predict the future of anything. At best a weather prediction is a educated guess but will be used to plan many things. As far as if I'm at risk I should wear a mask- as we all should know by now the mask is not there to protect me. I wear it to help the other person. They are trying to keep the spread low now so when the weather changes and people are forced inside it hopefully doesn't take off like the flu does every year. We as a nation are number 8 on the list of most deaths per capita out of 150 countries. (From the web-sight Statista) Even with being number 8 the death rate per capita is.09% which is about 900 out of a million. That is just deaths, not including all the people that will just never breathe right again. One thing we will never know is how many came back from Sturgis asystematic and came in contact with someone that either later died or had serious damage from the Covid. I do hope some of you are right and this is not as bad as it is played up to be but I don't believe wearing a mask at this point is an infringement on my rights. I also do believe politicians (both sides) and the media will use it or anything else for their own benefit.
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