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Now, I have a deeper admiration for anyone who becomes a naturalized citizen and takes that oath.
And the bad news is that it seems that we may all be required, in the coming days, to stand and fight against the enemies of our country.
I prepare for it.
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I can't believe that so many of you claim to be proud Americans, yet you support the killing of your fellow countrymen. All of your flag waving is meaningless when you place property above human life.
I do not condone the destruction of property and I think that it should be fully prosecuted under the law. But punished by death at the hands of a bunch of wannabe Rambos? No. I think not.
Please note how Prosecutors in some of these Riot prone cities are refusing to prosecute those arrested for "rioting". Also note how the political leaders of most of those same population centers refuse to put a stop to such riots. So, please tell me how full prosecution under the law is going to be done when police are threatened with "defunding" and every action is portrayed as being racist or prejudicial, totally without political or judicial support (in their cities). I'd think it's kind of tough to be a LEO now days and keeping the "peace" while serving to protect is almost impossible. I'll agree that the 17 year old should not have been at this but, I also don't have a problem with people being there to support their side of a cause or discussion. Do you know where all those rioters were from? I don't but, I'll bet they aren't all from the local community. It sounds like we agree that rioting should not be allowed but, you've confirmed by your own statements that if it was your community being razed, you would get involved. Would you not welcome outside assistance to protect your community?
Then you may consider me the enemy. I am not with you. Not at all.
This, is something I hope never comes to pass but, if it does, it'll be a bitter pill to swallow. There is a huge difference between protesting and rioting. I'm sure you recognize the difference. Again, if these riots were occurring in your or my community, I know I'll be on the side of Law and Order. I sincerely hope you would be on the same side. Rams |
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And "he stopped to render aid"? OMG
Why are you against this kid? The protesters performed total destruction of life and property, dont you think this is a deserved judgement? Dont you think you reap what you sow? "The protesters performed total destruction of life..." Really? Who did the protesters kill? There have been many lives taken or destroyed due to this civil unrest. Here's a partial list (there are many more): Captain David Dorn, retired from St. Louis police department - killed Officer David Patrick Underwood, Federal Protective Service, shot in Oakland, CA - killed Sergeant Damon Gutzwiller, Santa Cruz County (CA) Sheriff’s Office - killed Deputy Ben Lomond, Santa Cruz County (CA) Sheriff's Office -killed Officer Edelmiro Garza, McAllen, TX Police Dept - killed Officer Ismael Chavez, McAllen, TX Police Dept - killed Officer Jonathan Shoop, Bothell, WA police department - killed Chris Beaty, Indianapolis - killed Dorian Murrell, Indianapolis - killed David McAtee, Louisville - killed Italia Kelly, Davenport, IA - killed Marquis Tousant, Davenport, IA - killed Javar Harrell, Detroit, MI - killed Barry Perkins III, St. Louis, MO - killed Jose Gutierrez of Chicago (shot in Cicero, IL) - killed Victor Cazares Jr., Cicero, IL - killed Marvin Francois, Kansas City, MO - killed Tyler Gerth, Louisville - killed John Tiggs, Chicago, IL - killed Marvin Francois, Kansas City, MO - killed Antonio Mays Jr., Seattle (CHOP), WA - killed Secoriea Turner, Atlanta, GA - killed Garrett Foster, Austin, TX - killed Officer Shay Mikalonis, Las Vegas Metro - will likely be on a ventilator for the rest of his life. Officer Jason Scott, Richmond, VA Police Department - shot, not killed, life-changing injuries. Officer Rashad Martin, Richmond, VA Police Department - shot, not killed, life-changing injuries. 3 Unnamed NYPD officers, 2 shot and 1 stabbed in the neck - deposition not known. |
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Don't like those links, there are plenty more.
And "he stopped to render aid"? OMG
Why are you against this kid? The protesters performed total destruction of life and property, dont you think this is a deserved judgement? Dont you think you reap what you sow? "The protesters performed total destruction of life..." Really? Who did the protesters kill? There have been many lives taken or destroyed due to this civil unrest. Here's a partial list (there are many more): Captain David Dorn, retired from St. Louis police department - killed Officer David Patrick Underwood, Federal Protective Service, shot in Oakland, CA - killed Sergeant Damon Gutzwiller, Santa Cruz County (CA) Sheriff’s Office - killed Deputy Ben Lomond, Santa Cruz County (CA) Sheriff's Office -killed Officer Edelmiro Garza, McAllen, TX Police Dept - killed Officer Ismael Chavez, McAllen, TX Police Dept - killed Officer Jonathan Shoop, Bothell, WA police department - killed Chris Beaty, Indianapolis - killed Dorian Murrell, Indianapolis - killed David McAtee, Louisville - killed Italia Kelly, Davenport, IA - killed Marquis Tousant, Davenport, IA - killed Javar Harrell, Detroit, MI - killed Barry Perkins III, St. Louis, MO - killed Jose Gutierrez of Chicago (shot in Cicero, IL) - killed Victor Cazares Jr., Cicero, IL - killed Marvin Francois, Kansas City, MO - killed Tyler Gerth, Louisville - killed John Tiggs, Chicago, IL - killed Marvin Francois, Kansas City, MO - killed Antonio Mays Jr., Seattle (CHOP), WA - killed Secoriea Turner, Atlanta, GA - killed Garrett Foster, Austin, TX - killed Officer Shay Mikalonis, Las Vegas Metro - will likely be on a ventilator for the rest of his life. Officer Jason Scott, Richmond, VA Police Department - shot, not killed, life-changing injuries. Officer Rashad Martin, Richmond, VA Police Department - shot, not killed, life-changing injuries. 3 Unnamed NYPD officers, 2 shot and 1 stabbed in the neck - deposition not known. I'm not sure how responding to a domestic dispute has anything to do with the protests ? |
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Don't like those links, there are plenty more.
And "he stopped to render aid"? OMG
Why are you against this kid? The protesters performed total destruction of life and property, dont you think this is a deserved judgement? Dont you think you reap what you sow? "The protesters performed total destruction of life..." Really? Who did the protesters kill? There have been many lives taken or destroyed due to this civil unrest. Here's a partial list (there are many more): Captain David Dorn, retired from St. Louis police department - killed Officer David Patrick Underwood, Federal Protective Service, shot in Oakland, CA - killed Sergeant Damon Gutzwiller, Santa Cruz County (CA) Sheriff’s Office - killed Deputy Ben Lomond, Santa Cruz County (CA) Sheriff's Office -killed Officer Edelmiro Garza, McAllen, TX Police Dept - killed Officer Ismael Chavez, McAllen, TX Police Dept - killed Officer Jonathan Shoop, Bothell, WA police department - killed Chris Beaty, Indianapolis - killed Dorian Murrell, Indianapolis - killed David McAtee, Louisville - killed Italia Kelly, Davenport, IA - killed Marquis Tousant, Davenport, IA - killed Javar Harrell, Detroit, MI - killed Barry Perkins III, St. Louis, MO - killed Jose Gutierrez of Chicago (shot in Cicero, IL) - killed Victor Cazares Jr., Cicero, IL - killed Marvin Francois, Kansas City, MO - killed Tyler Gerth, Louisville - killed John Tiggs, Chicago, IL - killed Marvin Francois, Kansas City, MO - killed Antonio Mays Jr., Seattle (CHOP), WA - killed Secoriea Turner, Atlanta, GA - killed Garrett Foster, Austin, TX - killed Officer Shay Mikalonis, Las Vegas Metro - will likely be on a ventilator for the rest of his life. Officer Jason Scott, Richmond, VA Police Department - shot, not killed, life-changing injuries. Officer Rashad Martin, Richmond, VA Police Department - shot, not killed, life-changing injuries. 3 Unnamed NYPD officers, 2 shot and 1 stabbed in the neck - deposition not known. I'm not sure how responding to a domestic dispute has anything to do with the protests ? There was planned ambush to kill a cop or cops, due to the anti-police sentiment promoted by the rioters. |
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Don't like those links, there are plenty more.
And "he stopped to render aid"? OMG
Why are you against this kid? The protesters performed total destruction of life and property, dont you think this is a deserved judgement? Dont you think you reap what you sow? "The protesters performed total destruction of life..." Really? Who did the protesters kill? There have been many lives taken or destroyed due to this civil unrest. Here's a partial list (there are many more): Captain David Dorn, retired from St. Louis police department - killed Officer David Patrick Underwood, Federal Protective Service, shot in Oakland, CA - killed Sergeant Damon Gutzwiller, Santa Cruz County (CA) Sheriff’s Office - killed Deputy Ben Lomond, Santa Cruz County (CA) Sheriff's Office -killed Officer Edelmiro Garza, McAllen, TX Police Dept - killed Officer Ismael Chavez, McAllen, TX Police Dept - killed Officer Jonathan Shoop, Bothell, WA police department - killed Chris Beaty, Indianapolis - killed Dorian Murrell, Indianapolis - killed David McAtee, Louisville - killed Italia Kelly, Davenport, IA - killed Marquis Tousant, Davenport, IA - killed Javar Harrell, Detroit, MI - killed Barry Perkins III, St. Louis, MO - killed Jose Gutierrez of Chicago (shot in Cicero, IL) - killed Victor Cazares Jr., Cicero, IL - killed Marvin Francois, Kansas City, MO - killed Tyler Gerth, Louisville - killed John Tiggs, Chicago, IL - killed Marvin Francois, Kansas City, MO - killed Antonio Mays Jr., Seattle (CHOP), WA - killed Secoriea Turner, Atlanta, GA - killed Garrett Foster, Austin, TX - killed Officer Shay Mikalonis, Las Vegas Metro - will likely be on a ventilator for the rest of his life. Officer Jason Scott, Richmond, VA Police Department - shot, not killed, life-changing injuries. Officer Rashad Martin, Richmond, VA Police Department - shot, not killed, life-changing injuries. 3 Unnamed NYPD officers, 2 shot and 1 stabbed in the neck - deposition not known. I'm not sure how responding to a domestic dispute has anything to do with the protests ? From a LEO's perspective, I doubt it makes much difference. They put their lives on the line every time they step out the door from home, leaving a family that hopes he'll walk back through that door. Especially with the current events in these "Progressive" cities and states. |
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There was planned ambush to kill a cop or cops, due to the anti-police sentiment promoted by the rioters. I vaguely remembered this incident because it happened in my birthplace. That's why I looked it up after you posted that. As I understand the story a neighbor called the cops about the domestic disturbance. The perp shot them when he answered the door. I'm not sure where a plan to kill them because of the protests or sentiments of it come in to play. It's sad that cops are killed for just trying to do their jobs. But I sure don't see how this has anything to do with the protests. |
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But I sure don't see how this has anything to do with the protests. Meat, Not many here expected you to see the connection, but most of us do. Jim Well, I'm listening. |
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Squirm and squawk all you want. The young mister Rittenhouse acted in textbook self defense throughout this incident and deserves a complete acquittal. The curfew breakers were out doing violence and tried very hard to do him violence.
I suppose one should not celebrate loss of life by felons in the commission of their felonies, but one does not have to be sad about it either.
I'm more happy than sad (and unapologetic about it). If your mission is to bring anarchy to our streets and towns, don't expect people to lay down for it, and that you can work your criminal terror without cost.
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There was planned ambush to kill a cop or cops, due to the anti-police sentiment promoted by the rioters. I vaguely remembered this incident because it happened in my birthplace. That's why I looked it up after you posted that. As I understand the story a neighbor called the cops about the domestic disturbance. The perp shot them when he answered the door. I'm not sure where a plan to kill them because of the protests or sentiments of it come in to play. It's sad that cops are killed for just trying to do their jobs. But I sure don't see how this has anything to do with the protests. I found it on a Google search this morning. I can't find the link now. But, essentially, police said the 2 officers were ambushed by Audon Ignacio Camarillo as they were making their way to the home. The cops never made it to the door, they were shot approaching the house. Somehow it was determined that the ambush was linked to the ongoing anti-cop rhetoric. Perhaps the account I read was opinion. I'm not sure since I can't find it now. But, the fact remains that there are numerous incidents of lives being lost or destroyed because of these violent riots. |
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Don't like those links, there are plenty more.
And "he stopped to render aid"? OMG
Why are you against this kid? The protesters performed total destruction of life and property, dont you think this is a deserved judgement? Dont you think you reap what you sow? "The protesters performed total destruction of life..." Really? Who did the protesters kill? A friend of mine was in her car driving through St Louis on her way home to Arizona; her 9 year old son was also in the car. Riots were happening at the time. She was struck in the chest by a bullet. Fortunately, she wasn't killed. The entry wound is now healed; the exit wound is not yet healed. The bullet caliber was not one that would have been used by law enforcement. They are shooting people, beating people, throwing deadly objects, and lighting occupied structures on fire. They are killing some and seriously injuring others. It's not ok. |
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« Reply #95 on: August 29, 2020, 02:00:07 PM » |
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When (not if) these riots come to our own communities, attitudes will change. Of this, I feel quite sure.
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Another account of the shooting in Kenosha, WI. Kyle Rittenhouse was working as a community lifeguard in Kenosha on the day of the shooting, went to clean graffiti off a public high school near the Kenosha County Courthouse after work and did not carry a gun across state lines, according to a statement from his legal defense team released on Friday evening.
"After Kyle finished his work that day as a community lifeguard in Kenosha, he wanted to help clean up some of the damage, so he and a friend went to the local public high school to remove graffiti by rioters," Pierce said.
He continued: "Later in the day, they received information about a call for help from a local business owner, whose downtown Kenosha auto dealership was largely destroyed by mob violence. The business owner needed help to protect what he had left of his life's work, including two nearby mechanic's shops. Kyle and a friend armed themselves with rifles due to the deadly violence gripping Kenosha and many other American cities, and headed to the business premises. The weapons were in Wisconsin and never crossed state lines."https://www.informationliberation.com/?id=61686"A 17-year old child should not have to take up arms in America to protect life and property," Pierce said. "That is the job of state and local governments. However, those governments have failed, and law-abiding citizens have no choice but to protect their own communities as their forefathers did at Lexington and Concord in 1775. Kyle is not a racist or a white supremacist. He is a brave, patriotic, compassionate law-abiding American who loves his country and his community. He did nothing wrong. He defended himself, which is a fundamental right of all Americans given by God and protected by law. He is now in the crosshairs of institutional forces that are much more powerful than him. But he will stand up to them and fight not only for himself, but for all Americans and their beloved Constitution. We will never leave his side until he is victorious in that fight." |
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He is charged as a minor in possession of a firearm.
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He is charged as a minor in possession of a firearm.
But all the other charges are as an adult.
The attorneys say there is an exclusion for rifles and shotguns for 16 & 17 year olds. And from CarolinaRider's link, they are claiming self defense on all other charges. That exclusion has to do with hunting, which may not be applicable here. But Kyle was also in the company of a non-minor (also armed) person which may also fit an exclusion for adult supervision.  Unfortunately, while moving around trying to give medical aid, he got separated from this and other good guys, as at some point the police would not let him return to where they were located. This was his undoing as the predators identified him as someone who had been protecting property, and singled him out as a small and easy target. As typical, there are so many and varied gun laws that it becomes confusing how to follow them all. I believe this is a misdemeanor charge and it should be the only one he might be convictable on. |
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“I am not sad that a f**king fascist died tonight,” yells a female Antifa militant at a gathering in downtown Portland. The crowd laughs and cheers. The victim was a Trump supporter. pic.twitter.com/XK4Czzseia
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Black Lives Matter protesters and Antifa are cheering on the murder of a Trump supporter tonight in Portland.
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I can't believe that so many of you claim to be proud Americans, yet you support the killing of your fellow countrymen. All of your flag waving is meaningless when you place property above human life.
I do not condone the destruction of property and I think that it should be fully prosecuted under the law. But punished by death at the hands of a bunch of wannabe Rambos? No. I think not.
Please note how Prosecutors in some of these Riot prone cities are refusing to prosecute those arrested for "rioting". Also note how the political leaders of most of those same population centers refuse to put a stop to such riots. So, please tell me how full prosecution under the law is going to be done when police are threatened with "defunding" and every action is portrayed as being racist or prejudicial, totally without political or judicial support (in their cities).I'd think it's kind of tough to be a LEO now days and keeping the "peace" while serving to protect is almost impossible. I'll agree that the 17 year old should not have been at this but, I also don't have a problem with people being there to support their side of a cause or discussion. Do you know where all those rioters were from? I don't but, I'll bet they aren't all from the local community. It sounds like we agree that rioting should not be allowed but, you've confirmed by your own statements that if it was your community being razed, you would get involved. Would you not welcome outside assistance to protect your community?
Then you may consider me the enemy. I am not with you. Not at all.
This, is something I hope never comes to pass but, if it does, it'll be a bitter pill to swallow. There is a huge difference between protesting and rioting. I'm sure you recognize the difference. Again, if these riots were occurring in your or my community, I know I'll be on the side of Law and Order. I sincerely hope you would be on the same side. Rams Alien, I keep checking back to see if you've responded to my questions. I'm not trying to pick a fight. I am simply interested how you think you'll react if or when these rioters visit your community. I don't believe any of us want to see people die but if this continues, I believe there will be more deaths. Destroying a community or city always has some kind of reaction, usually it's not going to be one of passive observation. Would you stand back and watch your community be razed? I wouldn't. Rams |
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I can't believe that so many of you claim to be proud Americans, yet you support the killing of your fellow countrymen. All of your flag waving is meaningless when you place property above human life.
I do not condone the destruction of property and I think that it should be fully prosecuted under the law. But punished by death at the hands of a bunch of wannabe Rambos? No. I think not.
Please note how Prosecutors in some of these Riot prone cities are refusing to prosecute those arrested for "rioting". Also note how the political leaders of most of those same population centers refuse to put a stop to such riots. So, please tell me how full prosecution under the law is going to be done when police are threatened with "defunding" and every action is portrayed as being racist or prejudicial, totally without political or judicial support (in their cities).I'd think it's kind of tough to be a LEO now days and keeping the "peace" while serving to protect is almost impossible. I'll agree that the 17 year old should not have been at this but, I also don't have a problem with people being there to support their side of a cause or discussion. Do you know where all those rioters were from? I don't but, I'll bet they aren't all from the local community. It sounds like we agree that rioting should not be allowed but, you've confirmed by your own statements that if it was your community being razed, you would get involved. Would you not welcome outside assistance to protect your community?
Then you may consider me the enemy. I am not with you. Not at all.
This, is something I hope never comes to pass but, if it does, it'll be a bitter pill to swallow. There is a huge difference between protesting and rioting. I'm sure you recognize the difference. Again, if these riots were occurring in your or my community, I know I'll be on the side of Law and Order. I sincerely hope you would be on the same side. Rams Alien, I keep checking back to see if you've responded to my questions. I'm not trying to pick a fight. I am simply interested how you think you'll react if or when these rioters visit your community. I don't believe any of us want to see people die but if this continues, I believe there will be more deaths. Destroying a community or city always has some kind of reaction, usually it's not going to be one of passive observation. Would you stand back and watch your community be razed? I wouldn't. Rams I live in Los Angeles. We are famous for our riots. I'll be fine. |
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« Reply #107 on: August 30, 2020, 08:17:21 AM » |
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“Death to America” …. I’m sure they’re just peaceful protestors! pic.twitter.com/5NsvA8U3tu
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So while Alien you are worried over one protester are you just as worried about what these people stand for? They are traitors to this country and each person who lives here. Do you stilll feel the same since the thin lies and deception is now gone. Sympathy misplaced is dangerous.
Baldo, meat?
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« Reply #108 on: August 30, 2020, 08:17:52 AM » |
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It is not the Trump supporters doing this crazy crap.
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« Reply #109 on: August 30, 2020, 08:22:43 AM » |
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(I live in Los Angeles. We are famous for our riots. I'll be fine.)  That is really something to be proud of. |
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« Reply #110 on: August 30, 2020, 08:26:42 AM » |
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False. It was not his neighborhood. He did not even live in the state of Wisconsin. It wasn't his business either. He was a high school dropout who was rejected by the police department, fire department and the Marine Corps. All of this is typical of a loser with a hero complex. Did he have a right to be there? Sure. Did he have a right to kill people? No.
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Wrong, I consider the USA my neighborhood and my business, he felt the same way. What goes on in the USA is every Americans business. The ones that wont stand up for what is right are a big part of the problem.
It turns my stomach that some people look at what is happening in these cities and say,'' it is none of my business'' more citizens like this kid should come from where ever and let this out of control mob know that we are not going to take this behavior any more. By all means, sit back in a comfortable, safe home and say '' none of my business'' I can't be there but I can damn well support the ones that are there standing up for the ones that wont stand up for themselves.
By the way, the kid was attached and he defended his self, I would have done the same thing if I was in his position, weather I was from there or not.
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« Reply #111 on: August 30, 2020, 08:38:12 AM » |
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I can't believe that so many of you claim to be proud Americans, yet you support the killing of your fellow countrymen. All of your flag waving is meaningless when you place property above human life.
I do not condone the destruction of property and I think that it should be fully prosecuted under the law. But punished by death at the hands of a bunch of wannabe Rambos? No. I think not.
Please note how Prosecutors in some of these Riot prone cities are refusing to prosecute those arrested for "rioting". Also note how the political leaders of most of those same population centers refuse to put a stop to such riots. So, please tell me how full prosecution under the law is going to be done when police are threatened with "defunding" and every action is portrayed as being racist or prejudicial, totally without political or judicial support (in their cities).I'd think it's kind of tough to be a LEO now days and keeping the "peace" while serving to protect is almost impossible. I'll agree that the 17 year old should not have been at this but, I also don't have a problem with people being there to support their side of a cause or discussion. Do you know where all those rioters were from? I don't but, I'll bet they aren't all from the local community. It sounds like we agree that rioting should not be allowed but, you've confirmed by your own statements that if it was your community being razed, you would get involved. Would you not welcome outside assistance to protect your community?
Then you may consider me the enemy. I am not with you. Not at all.
This, is something I hope never comes to pass but, if it does, it'll be a bitter pill to swallow. There is a huge difference between protesting and rioting. I'm sure you recognize the difference. Again, if these riots were occurring in your or my community, I know I'll be on the side of Law and Order. I sincerely hope you would be on the same side. Rams Alien, I keep checking back to see if you've responded to my questions. I'm not trying to pick a fight. I am simply interested how you think you'll react if or when these rioters visit your community. I don't believe any of us want to see people die but if this continues, I believe there will be more deaths. Destroying a community or city always has some kind of reaction, usually it's not going to be one of passive observation. Would you stand back and watch your community be razed? I wouldn't. Rams I live in Los Angeles. We are famous for our riots. I'll be fine. Well, I certainly hope so but, you didn't answer the questions. You say you support full prosecution and yet, fail to say how this can be done or, who is going to do it? I would think you would want police support to help protect your neighborhood but why should they? LEOs are in a no win situation. Will you help protect your community or stand back and watch it burn? Rams |
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« Reply #112 on: August 30, 2020, 10:05:18 AM » |
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I live in Los Angeles. We are famous for our riots. I'll be fine.
I didn't know, now that explains it. There are 2.5 movements that are in the country right now Q BLM/Antifa posing as BLM Of the movements Q has not lied, is for people the country, has warned of the riots and the problems that we are seeing has posted about the corruption in government, fought for the justice and removal of corruption in government. Supported our president and not done one thing to hurt anyone and has actually saved lives and warned people of the doom the left has plotted and those who are corrupt in government would try to do. People have also become patriotic and not been afraid to show it and wake up to what the left is trying to do to sink the system. Q has even warned of the FISA abuse and people like Epstien that has proven to be true, and what would happen to those who participated in it and we actually see it happening just as Q has stated it would. Heck Q and the people who follow it have done alot of tedious time consuming research and found who the real scum are. The Q movement has also not forced anything on anyone and yet has given pertinent information and uncovered lies, deceit, backdoor deals, pedophilia and so much more and told people where to look to uncover it for themselves. BLM/Antifa BLM/Antifa lies, has riots, gives to the dem party, kills people is trying to have mayor of Seattle removed even though she has given into their demands. Has destroyed countless properties including those who supposedly support them. OF the movements which one do you think, if, I was in a movement would I be part of and why? I have looked into both done a lot of research and of the two, Q, what you label as conspiracy has done nothing but benefit the country and BLM/Antifa has done nothing but destroy the country. Heck Q does NOT take donations but BLM/Antifa DOES and where do those donations go to. The democratic party directly. If I took donations for causing riots and gave those donations to a company or any entity wouldnt they also be responsible for this destruction? Its called the RICO act The Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations (RICO) Act is a United States federal law that provides for extended criminal penalties and a civil cause of action for acts performed as part of an ongoing criminal organization. So the people who are rioting and started all the trouble and are killing people and rejoicing in it are taking donations and you are telling me you don't want to hear any Q stuff. That puts you smack in the middle of the BLM/Antifa camp or a total non thinker. Or maybe just so full of hate for anything good you cannot surrender your ideas to something that actually does good for the country. I see the anger and rage at the revelation of the corruption in government and wanting to keep America great and not reduce her to a third world country and the only response the left has is to further destroy and threaten people, building, the president, government officials and anyone who is opposed to this evil thought. Maybe you dont like law and order and want to see a pass given to those that uphold your ideals at any cost. Im sorry to keep a country safe, secure and people happy it does not work that way. That is anarchy and every man for himself, exactly what we see in Seattle, Chicago, and other cities. I wish everyone in this country would follow Q and find out the real scoop behind the Bidens, Clinton's, Pelosi and the rest of them. Its not a cult, its not a conspiracy but more of just plain information that will wake people up to the true corruption in government and the dog and pony shows that the Dems are putting on to raise money in the name of corruption and destruction. The democratic party is making money from the destruction of the US, that is a fact. They may be telling Antifa what to do and providing safe passage based on dem cities are the ones that are rioting and not prosecuting the rioters. That is a criminal conspiracy and probably not to hard to prove at this point. It is totally amazing that the democratically controlled cities are the ones with major riots, how does that work? Do you have an explanation for this because the one I have reeks of corruption and state and local officials supporting terror for a political result. If true then its a fact they dont give a damn about you or me and will sacrifice anything to stay in power including us. |
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« Reply #113 on: August 30, 2020, 10:14:29 AM » |
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I do find this to be an interesting reaction to a BLM protest. NJ Teen sent bill for Police Overtime..... https://6abc.com/society/teen-who-organized-blm-protest-gets-hit-with-$2500-police-ot-bill/6394037/ Seems about right to me, YMMV Edited: My understanding is that "bill" was rescinded due to political pressure from liberal constituents or higher up the food chain. Rams |
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« Reply #114 on: August 30, 2020, 04:06:24 PM » |
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A good video from Dan Bongino all should watch this. Liberal Rage Mob Targeted My Wife and I After Trump's Speech at WH Last Night... He also tells the truth about Rand Paul and how the mob harassed him. Dan Bongino https://www.facebook.com/dan.bongino/videos/3019550181504015/This is unjust, and I doubt anyone in this position would be as reserved. What has this country become that you cannot enjoy an outside event without your wife being called all kind of names. That the very idea of mob mentality would put you in fear of your own life just for walking down the street. David Dorn's Widow Gives POWERFUL Speech That's Reverberating Across America https://www.facebook.com/dan.bongino/videos/1273471159669674/Alien what do you say to her? |
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« Reply #117 on: August 31, 2020, 06:22:52 AM » |
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I am beyond disgusted by people showing support for Kyle Rittenhouse and touting his murder of two human beings as the actions of some kind of hero.
If you are one of these people, please understand that I find you irredeemably tainted by your own hate. You are lost to me as I do not believe that a heart like yours can be salvaged.
Also, please don't bother couching your bloodlust in psuedo-patriotism. You are a traitor, not a patriot.
You are a traitor to your country for endorsing and celebrating the murder of American citizens. You are a traitor to your species for valuing property over human life.
You stand against everything that is right and good. I stand against you.
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« Reply #118 on: August 31, 2020, 06:26:43 AM » |
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I am beyond disgusted by people showing support for Kyle Rittenhouse and touting his murder of two human beings as the actions of some kind of hero.
If you are one of these people, please understand that I find you irredeemably tainted by your own hate. You are lost to me as I do not believe that a heart like yours can be salvaged.
Also, please don't bother couching your bloodlust in psuedo-patriotism. You are a traitor, not a patriot.
You are a traitor to your country for endorsing and celebrating the murder of American citizens. You are a traitor to your species for valuing property over human life.
You stand against everything that is right and good. I stand against you.
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« Reply #119 on: August 31, 2020, 06:29:46 AM » |
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I am beyond disgusted by people showing support for Kyle Rittenhouse and touting his murder of two human beings as the actions of some kind of hero.
If you are one of these people, please understand that I find you irredeemably tainted by your own hate. You are lost to me as I do not believe that a heart like yours can be salvaged.
Also, please don't bother couching your bloodlust in psuedo-patriotism. You are a traitor, not a patriot.
You are a traitor to your country for endorsing and celebrating the murder of American citizens. You are a traitor to your species for valuing property over human life.
You stand against everything that is right and good. I stand against you.
Hmm OK, I don't view this young man as a hero, I see him as a kid scared to death in a place he should have never been. The end result of some very bad parental decisions. I don't blame him for defending himself so, if that puts me into that group. So be it. The rioting must be contained, I don't like seeing the confrontation but, when our leadership fails as it has in these cities, eventually one side or the other will say enough is enough. Murder? Apparently we watched different videos.  Ride safely and watch yer six. Rams |
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