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« Reply #40 on: August 30, 2020, 04:54:01 PM » |
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As Joe would say, Ok, here’s the deal. We have a choice to make. Trump is who he is, not what you say he is, not what I say he is, not what the Democratic Party says he is for sure. Same for Biden, and they are competing for the Presidency not your Priest, ect. They both have a record to look at and I think they both have a plan for going forward which I hope to learn more about during the debates.
All your or my huffing and puffing about past transgressions is just a bunch of hot air. I’m hoping we are all Americans first, more than Trump haters or lovers. As serious voters we have to look at the last four years and then consider the next four years and beyond and how our children and grandchildren will be affected by the decisions we make. Not just Joe but the entire elected representatives of the Democratic Party have shown me in great detail what they are about and what direction they are willing to take this country. If you have paid half as much attention to them as I have over the past few years and you can align your self with them, then so be it, nothing left to discuss.
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« Reply #42 on: August 30, 2020, 04:57:23 PM » |
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markymark. i have but one question for you. don't know how old you are but are you the same person now as you were 50 years ago. if no then you have changed, if yes then i don't know what to say. i done things back 50 years ago that i'm not proud of today, but to hold that against me shouldn't be the proper thing to do. i don't hold people in political office responsible for things they done long ago. unless i see they haven't changed. like was said he with no sin cast the first stone. would you be happy if you went for a job interview and they looked at your teenage years and turned you down because of something you did way back then. i think you would fight them about it stating you arn't that person anymore.
I totally understand your point. Well taken. However, it really doesn't seem to fit this situation. First off, we are not talking about trump's teenage years. He's 74 I believe, and this happened in 1973. Trump was a grown man and I believe that would make him about 27 at the time. Second, his record doesn't stop back in 1973 when this one thing started. His record of racist statements and actions continues through the years and are current. It's not about way back then. Google Trump and racism and you will find many many examples from the 70's to today. We really don't need a way back machine because the public record of his racists statements is current. Racism isn't as simple as actions or statements against a specific race. It is commonly understood today in the US that racism is also concerned with the treatment of groups of people. Trumps has recently made statements that to many include a bias as well as outright contempt for some groups of people ( Blacks, Muslims, people from coutries in the Southern hemisphere, Puerto Ricans and others. Trumps constant animadversions against certain groups of people through the years, and currently, seem to suggest to many ( based on polling ) that trump is racist. Many Americans are familiar with racism as a matter of bias as well as outright contempt, which trump has vocalized many times. And no arguments about it, it's all been on the record, taped and live video. AS president, he's spoken negatively about blacks, Muslims, Puerto Ricans, and others on several occasions. So again, I understand your point, but I originally provided a long list. Some right leaning members decided to make this about this one case, and keep pounding on it ( a losing battle if you ask me) and totally ignored all the rest, which include his current actions and words. So then, as I understand it, The Coalition of African American Pastors, Alveda King, Hershel Walker, Ben Carson, Kimberly Klacik, and other Black Americans are lairs? Really? Show me Trump torching crosses in yards or donning a white hood or having white and colored bathrooms in his hotels them maybe we can start a serious conversation. But going back nearly 50 years to a renter dispute and suggestive accusations is silly. I'll go with the opinion of these guys The Coalition of African American Pastors, Alveda King, Hershel Walker, Ben Carson, Kimberly Klacik, and other Black Americans before I would consider yours anyway. |
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« Reply #43 on: August 30, 2020, 04:58:35 PM » |
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Rams,
Check the record. Trump fought it for something like two years. Filed motion after motion as well as trying to file a counterclaim.
It just simply isn't as you stated. He didn't recognize the problem and just settle. He fought it, using his usual way of paying lots of lawyers who try every trick in the book, and some they make up, to try overpower and over spend the other party. In this case it was the US Government and he couldn't get away with it.
Trump never settles unless he knows the verdict is going to go against. Look at his record in the dozens of court cases against him. His own words "Never settle - it makes you look weak"
He settled only after a long fight when he knew he was going to have his name tainted, and only then.
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« Reply #44 on: August 30, 2020, 05:07:22 PM » |
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Clarence Henderson sits at the Woolworth’s lunch counter in Greensboro, NC, on Sept. 16, 2016, more than 50 years after he and other students at North Carolina A&T State University staged a sit-in to protest the store’s policy of segregation at the lunch counter. After taking a stand then in the name of civil rights, Henderson has now come out in support of Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump. Skip Foreman AP https://www.newsobserver.com/news/politics-government/article110332517.htmlAfrican American faith leaders defend Trump after White House meeting: 'He's not a racist' Dr. Alveda King, the niece of Martin Luther King, Jr., who was among the faith leaders from the African American community that met with the president at the White House, called the meeting sincere and productive. https://www.foxnews.com/faith-values/trump-pastors-african-american-leaders-not-racist-photo-op |
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« Reply #45 on: August 30, 2020, 05:38:52 PM » |
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Rams,
Check the record. Trump fought it for something like two years. Filed motion after motion as well as trying to file a counterclaim.
It just simply isn't as you stated. He didn't recognize the problem and just settle. He fought it, using his usual way of paying lots of lawyers who try every trick in the book, and some they make up, to try overpower and over spend the other party. In this case it was the US Government and he couldn't get away with it.
Trump never settles unless he knows the verdict is going to go against. Look at his record in the dozens of court cases against him. His own words "Never settle - it makes you look weak"
He settled only after a long fight when he knew he was going to have his name tainted, and only then.
again post the court documents. other wise your a bunch of talk and hate I have already posted a reference to the court case that would allow you to pull it up. It is very lengthy and not appropriate to post the entire court record here. Perhaps you should ask someone for the help you apparently need to pull up the case using the reference I provided. And by the way, it's not talk, or hate, it's a court record. Judging from your posts, I'd guess you are having a severe problem in determining the difference between referencing a court case and hate. Folks say you see the world as you are and your posts seem to bear that out. My advice would be stop blowing smoke and if you really want to read the court case, simply use the reference I have previously provided for the actual case and quit giving me such a hard time for posting something that is a matter of public record in the US Court system. |
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« Reply #46 on: August 30, 2020, 06:01:25 PM » |
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I have seen Zero link to wich you speak in this thread.
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« Reply #47 on: August 30, 2020, 06:21:53 PM » |
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I have seen Zero link to wich you speak in this thread.
BigHead, Thanks for your post. I thought I was clear when I said I posted a reference to the court case, not a link. Look at Reply #35 on this thread. ( I reprinted part of it here) Reply #35 I suggest some big boy pants and the reading of the actual court record, which are facts that can not be changed no matter what you say. United States of America v. Fred C. Trump, Donald Trump and Trump Management, Inc. I clearly later said I posted a reference to the case, which I did in fact do in my reply #35 I thought anyone would know how to type that in a search on their browser and be able to pull up the court case. Obviously I was wrong and someone else ( not you) apparently gets his jollies by being rude and suggesting that others are all talk and hate, when he is obviously the one in need of help and the only one spewing a bunch of talk and hate. I'm glad to see your approach was much more civil and I am happy to provide you with the reference again. An internet search for "United States of America v. Fred C. Trump, Donald Trump and Trump Management, Inc." will give you a link that will allow you to pull up the entire court record. |
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« Reply #49 on: August 30, 2020, 06:39:47 PM » |
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Rams,
Check the record. Trump fought it for something like two years. Filed motion after motion as well as trying to file a counterclaim.
It just simply isn't as you stated. He didn't recognize the problem and just settle. He fought it, using his usual way of paying lots of lawyers who try every trick in the book, and some they make up, to try overpower and over spend the other party. In this case it was the US Government and he couldn't get away with it.
Trump never settles unless he knows the verdict is going to go against. Look at his record in the dozens of court cases against him. His own words "Never settle - it makes you look weak"
He settled only after a long fight when he knew he was going to have his name tainted, and only then.
I won't pretend DJT is a saint in any way but, I do contend he is a corporate businessman. Corporations will fight in court to keep their records and reputations clean as long as they think they have a chance of winning. I once worked for a company that was obviously guilty of a pretty big environmental infraction. That company fought at every level until they got the best deal they thought they could get. We knew all along we were guilty and eventually got a better judgement. Have been on the other side of a similar battle when I worked for OSHA, a corporation was blatantly, obviously guilty of some major deadly infractions, they fought us with every tool in the book and eventually won a lessor settlement. You wish to blame DJT personally, OK I have no problem with that. As I said, I never thought he was a saint and I don't think much of his personality but, I do think he's done a very commendable job while in the Oval Office. Especially with all the BS the Dems have thrown at him. You don't have to agree. Which leads to VP Joe Biden, have you dug up any dirt on him? You don't have to look hard to find it. Rams |
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« Reply #50 on: August 30, 2020, 06:52:02 PM » |
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Thank you for posting this, its a answer by the courts why the case should not be dismissed. One argument is there are no facts presented, this is one rebuttal the fact that they dont have to provide facts. So in posting this you have proven that its not based on facts or at least the courts dont seem to want to present any facts. Thanks for shooting down the whole discussion and actually being a help. Under the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure "[the] federal courts are not hampered by the morass of decisions as to whether a particular allegation is one of fact, evidence or law ... There is no requirement that the pleading state 'facts," or 'ultimate facts,' or 'facts sufficient to constitute a cause of action.' I find Marky's arguments not really relevant actually, since Trump has done more for the blacks and Spanish than Obama ever has. One is the past the other is current, so which do you want to take at face value, I choose current. I dont actually say that Trump could not be full of himself in early years, being in the position he was in I doubt that humble pie was his choice. But in life it has a funny way of leveling people and what I see today is a man that love people all people and is taking down the corruption and that is what we are suffering from now, the fall of this corruption. Many of the accounts of discrimination appear to have originated with the National Urban League, which relayed the information to the Justice Department's Civil Rights Division. Some of those complaints are barely legible, and many of the records are heavily redacted. I also want to point out that the FBI released the documents to this case in 2017 without a freedom of information request. Funny that we cannot get information on spying on the elections, the Russia collusion, and a whole host of other information but they just happen to post this 50 years later on their website.
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« Reply #51 on: August 30, 2020, 07:02:39 PM » |
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Rams,
I wasn't trying to make any comparison between trump and biden. I certainly have my reservations about biden, as well as trump.
I simply attempted to answer the question poised on the thread "When did trump become racist?"
I answered it by providing information on the public record that found trump used discriminatory practices, and has made several racists statements, on the record. Facts that should not be in dispute.
But then some folks that are leaning so far to the right they are about to fall over began what I perceive as the usual berating and bigoted speech against anyone who might say something they perceive as negative about trump. There's that TDS again.
For me, this doesn't have anything to do with Republicans or Democrats. It is a public record on trump about a specific concern. period
I wouldn't attempt to blindly defend Joe on anything that has been adjudicated against him, such as trump and the racists policies and procedures that were used.
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« Reply #52 on: August 30, 2020, 07:21:26 PM » |
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Rams,
I wasn't trying to make any comparison between trump and biden. I certainly have my reservations about biden, as well as trump.
I simply attempted to answer the question poised on the thread "When did trump become racist?"
I answered it by providing information on the public record that found trump used discriminatory practices, and has made several racists statements, on the record. Facts that should not be in dispute.
But then some folks that are leaning so far to the right they are about to fall over began what I perceive as the usual berating and bigoted speech against anyone who might say something they perceive as negative about trump. There's that TDS again.
For me, this doesn't have anything to do with Republicans or Democrats. It is a public record on trump about a specific concern. period
I wouldn't attempt to blindly defend Joe on anything that has been adjudicated against him, such as trump and the racists policies and procedures that were used.
And answer you did but don't seem to consider the points I brought up about corporations and how they conduct business. The guy or leadership at the top is always responsible. I am glad you won't blindly defend VP Biden, I see corruption there even though it hasn't been proven in court. Why would that be? I'm a registered Democrat and even I see the corruption in the Democrat Party. I don't much like political parties. Both are all about power. I do hope you contribute as much in a thread about Uncle Joe. His past, his "contributions" to his own family's wealth and so on. Rams |
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« Reply #53 on: August 30, 2020, 07:33:54 PM » |
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Human Trafficking Exposed - John Paul Rice - (Resources are in the video description) This is not a documentary but produced through research, it also talks about why the political issues are being pushed at this time. But this is just a real talk of what is really going on in the world today. About the media, government, some very rich and powerful people and why its so important for us to be divided. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcPmRDwXrk8The spotlight of The New Insider Insight Show focusses on a dissection of the human trafficking and pedophile networks. In this exclusive interview, Holly Producer John Paul Rice, outlines what is really occurring behind the curtain in the IT world. His upcoming film release, A Child’s Voice, will rock Hollywood, Wall Street, Washington,D.C. & the international global elite. Anneke Lucas: I Was a Sex Slave to Europe's Elite at Age 6 (ORIGINAL) https://youtu.be/zQFOrwyFopAhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jrLFzGb2tMNEW INSIDER INSIGHT SHOW: HOLLYWOOD PRODUCER JOHN PAUL RICE DISSECTS HOLLYWOOD BEHIND THE CURTAIN - https://mailchi.mp/158a05d2dd4ehttps://twitter.com/docdhj/status/1299089161165639688/photo/1 |
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« Reply #54 on: August 30, 2020, 07:57:42 PM » |
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Rams,
I wasn't trying to make any comparison between trump and biden. I certainly have my reservations about biden, as well as trump.
I simply attempted to answer the question poised on the thread "When did trump become racist?"
I answered it by providing information on the public record that found trump used discriminatory practices, and has made several racists statements, on the record. Facts that should not be in dispute.
But then some folks that are leaning so far to the right they are about to fall over began what I perceive as the usual berating and bigoted speech against anyone who might say something they perceive as negative about trump. There's that TDS again.
For me, this doesn't have anything to do with Republicans or Democrats. It is a public record on trump about a specific concern. period
I wouldn't attempt to blindly defend Joe on anything that has been adjudicated against him, such as trump and the racists policies and procedures that were used.
And answer you did but don't seem to consider the points I brought up about corporations and how they conduct business. The guy or leadership at the top is always responsible. I am glad you won't blindly defend VP Biden, I see corruption there even though it hasn't been proven in court. Why would that be? I'm a registered Democrat and even I see the corruption in the Democrat Party. I don't much like political parties. Both are all about power. I do hope you contribute as much in a thread about Uncle Joe. His past, his "contributions" to his own family's wealth and so on. Rams Rams, I did consider what you said about corporations. I guess the reason I didn't say anything about it is because I accepted what you said as totally reasonable. I have no first hand knowledge on that matter but what I read made sense. I do firmly believe the guy at the top is responsible. Having owned a training company some years back, I always felt like what we did or didn't do, the good the bad and the ugly was on my shoulders as I was responsible to set policy and approve procedure. But the information I provided was more than that. I also refer to specific statements trump has made over the years including some very recent statements against specific groups of people. I am a registered republican, have always been, but that doesn't mean I will blindly support trump. I think he has done some good, not nearly as much as he claims, but he has done some good. I was particularly happy to see him do something about the ridiculous cost of prescription drugs in this country. I also have seen what I believe is corruption, in both parties. I dream of a day when we have term limits to prevent some of the bs that goes on in politics ( not likely to happen ). What really bothers me is the total lack of tolerance and the bigoted speech from some members of this board for other peoples opinions and the berating of folks for no obvious reason other than what appears to be attempts to silence anything they don't want to hear about their beloved trump. I'm not saying everyone has to agree, but the discourse by some far right leaning members is ridiculous in my opinion. |
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« Reply #55 on: August 30, 2020, 08:29:42 PM » |
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Rams,
I wasn't trying to make any comparison between trump and biden. I certainly have my reservations about biden, as well as trump.
I simply attempted to answer the question poised on the thread "When did trump become racist?"
I answered it by providing information on the public record that found trump used discriminatory practices, and has made several racists statements, on the record. Facts that should not be in dispute.
But then some folks that are leaning so far to the right they are about to fall over began what I perceive as the usual berating and bigoted speech against anyone who might say something they perceive as negative about trump. There's that TDS again.
For me, this doesn't have anything to do with Republicans or Democrats. It is a public record on trump about a specific concern. period
I wouldn't attempt to blindly defend Joe on anything that has been adjudicated against him, such as trump and the racists policies and procedures that were used.
And answer you did but don't seem to consider the points I brought up about corporations and how they conduct business. The guy or leadership at the top is always responsible. I am glad you won't blindly defend VP Biden, I see corruption there even though it hasn't been proven in court. Why would that be? I'm a registered Democrat and even I see the corruption in the Democrat Party. I don't much like political parties. Both are all about power. I do hope you contribute as much in a thread about Uncle Joe. His past, his "contributions" to his own family's wealth and so on. Rams Rams, I did consider what you said about corporations. I guess the reason I didn't say anything about it is because I accepted what you said as totally reasonable. I have no first hand knowledge on that matter but what I read made sense. I do firmly believe the guy at the top is responsible. Having owned a training company some years back, I always felt like what we did or didn't do, the good the bad and the ugly was on my shoulders as I was responsible to set policy and approve procedure. But the information I provided was more than that. I also refer to specific statements trump has made over the years including some very recent statements against specific groups of people. I am a registered republican, have always been, but that doesn't mean I will blindly support trump. I think he has done some good, not nearly as much as he claims, but he has done some good. I was particularly happy to see him do something about the ridiculous cost of prescription drugs in this country. I also have seen what I believe is corruption, in both parties. I dream of a day when we have term limits to prevent some of the bs that goes on in politics ( not likely to happen ). What really bothers me is the total lack of tolerance and the bigoted speech from some members of this board for other peoples opinions and the berating of folks for no obvious reason other than what appears to be attempts to silence anything they don't want to hear about their beloved trump. I'm not saying everyone has to agree, but the discourse by some far right leaning members is ridiculous in my opinion. We agree to a certain extent on many issues. I'd also like to see term limits and that lack of tolerance issue you spoke of goes both ways. I find myself having tolerance issues with some people. I see a lack of tolerance from both the far right and the far left. This forum appears to have more Centrist and right leaning folks but the far left is represented. We all never going to agree on some things and we're not all willing to compromise our values. What concerns me is those who have no consideration for future generations. The "It's all about me people and I want it now, it's owed to me" people piss me off and I won't attempt to compromise with folks who want everything because they think it's owed to them. Too many on the left IMO are in that group of people I just described. I don't buy everything President Trumps says and I sincerely wish someone could hide his tweeter but, his policies, actions and decisions generally agree with what I believe is best for this nation. I've gone on too long and it's late, be safe out there. Edited: The one major problem I see with term limits is this, it takes a lot of money to get elected to a position of power, I can see many elections being bought. That may not be much different from what is already but, I'm willing to give it a shot. But, that's just a wet dream, there's no way our elected leadership is going to vote term limits in. They want to keep their jobs, health care and benefits. Rams |
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But, surely you can see the difference between me using it and them using it ?
No, I can't. Please explain the difference to me. Having accepted speech based on race is racist in and of itself. Surely you can see that. |
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« Reply #57 on: August 31, 2020, 07:01:57 AM » |
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But, surely you can see the difference between me using it and them using it ?
No, I can't. Please explain the difference to me. Having accepted speech based on race is racist in and of itself. Surely you can see that. I will try. This probably explains it much better than I can though. https://theundefeated.com/features/if-you-truly-knew-what-the-n-word-meant-to-our-ancestors-youd-never-use-it/I don't "accept" the speech, as you say. I find the word repugnant. I wish and hope for the day it is never used. Probably not very likely though. But, for the context of a white man (or woman) to use it is much different than the context of a black person using the word. |
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If people of a certain race are allowed to do a certain thing whereas people of a different race are denied it, that is literally racist.
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If people of a certain race are allowed to do a certain thing whereas people of a different race are denied it, that is literally racist.
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« Reply #62 on: August 31, 2020, 07:24:47 AM » |
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Please note - I'm not arguing in support of white folks getting blanket "N-Word passes" to say "the word."
I'm saying if the word is so horrible white folks shouldn't use it (Which we shouldn't) then it's so horrible black folks shouldn't use it either, otherwise we're perpetuating the very racial differences I thought we were trying to eliminate...
(Of course, I'm so old I remember when treating everyone equally was a good thing and treating people differently based on their race was bad. Now things have evidently switched, or so I'm told by my left leaning betters...)
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If people of a certain race are allowed to do a certain thing whereas people of a different race are denied it, that is literally racist.
Wrong Meat, do you mind splaining that. Did you bother reading the link posted ? I read the article, a weak excuse for a cultural "poor me" attitude. Grow out of it. This country offers opportunity for all if one will get off their "poor me" attitude ass and chase their dream. If, one is satisfied with one's station in life, then don't bitch about it being because of someone else, where there is the will, there is a way. Opportunity exists for everyone, anyone that has a dream and is willing to work at achieving that dream. Some have greater challenges, but the opportunity is still out there, seek and ye shall find a way. If, one allows such names to define them, who's fault is that. If the "N" word is bad, it's bad for all. Rams |
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« Reply #64 on: August 31, 2020, 07:34:20 AM » |
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then it's so horrible black folks shouldn't use it either,
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« Reply #65 on: August 31, 2020, 07:37:20 AM » |
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But, for the context of a white man (or woman) to use it is much different than the context of a black person using the word.
Why is there a difference? Because if there is then its racism |
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“Some people see things that are and ask, Why? Some people dream of things that never were and ask, Why not? Some people have to go to work and don’t have time for all that.”
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« Reply #66 on: August 31, 2020, 07:43:59 AM » |
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If people of a certain race are allowed to do a certain thing whereas people of a different race are denied it, that is literally racist.
Wrong Meat, do you mind splaining that. Did you bother reading the link posted ? I read the article, a weak excuse for a cultural "poor me" attitude. Grow out of it. This country offers opportunity for all if one will get off their "poor me" attitude ass and chase their dream. If, one is satisfied with one's station in life, then don't bitch about it being because of someone else, where there is the will, there is a way. Opportunity exists for everyone, anyone that has a dream and is willing to work at achieving that dream. Some have greater challenges, but the opportunity is still out there, seek and ye shall find a way. If, one allows such names to define them, who's fault is that. If the "N" word is bad, it's bad for all. Rams Some people see what they want to see. The article was about the reasons of use of the word. Nothing about "poor me" or opportunities. |
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« Reply #67 on: August 31, 2020, 07:46:30 AM » |
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If people of a certain race are allowed to do a certain thing whereas people of a different race are denied it, that is literally racist.
Wrong Meat, do you mind splaining that. Did you bother reading the link posted ? I read the article, a weak excuse for a cultural "poor me" attitude. Grow out of it. This country offers opportunity for all if one will get off their "poor me" attitude ass and chase their dream. If, one is satisfied with one's station in life, then don't bitch about it being because of someone else, where there is the will, there is a way. Opportunity exists for everyone, anyone that has a dream and is willing to work at achieving that dream. Some have greater challenges, but the opportunity is still out there, seek and ye shall find a way. If, one allows such names to define them, who's fault is that. If the "N" word is bad, it's bad for all. Rams Some people see what they want to see. This we fully agree on. Rams |
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« Reply #68 on: August 31, 2020, 08:31:57 AM » |
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Definition of context
1 : the parts of a discourse that surround a word or passage and can throw light on its meaning
2 : the interrelated conditions in which something exists or occurs : ENVIRONMENT, SETTING
Definition of racism
1 : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race
2a : a doctrine or political program based on the assumption of racism and designed to execute its principles
b : a political or social system founded on racism
3 : racial prejudice or discrimination
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« Reply #69 on: August 31, 2020, 08:37:36 AM » |
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Definition of context
1 : the parts of a discourse that surround a word or passage and can throw light on its meaning
2 : the interrelated conditions in which something exists or occurs : ENVIRONMENT, SETTING
Definition of racism
1 : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race
2a : a doctrine or political program based on the assumption of racism and designed to execute its principles
b : a political or social system founded on racism
3 : racial prejudice or discrimination
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