I need to clarify my position on Trump

[Serk]

...do you have a reply about the real potential of the loss of Social Security benefits, and voting for the guy that will do it?

I would gladly give up any future claim to my theoretical payout of the Social Security Ponzi Scheme in exchange for no more theft of my earnings to pay into the Ponzi Scheme form this moment forward.

[shadowsoftime]

 I've not seen enough evidence to speak at all on what or whether you think.

[The emperor has no clothes]

All your butthurt aside, do you have a reply about the real potential of the loss of Social Security benefits, and voting for the guy that will do it?

I would gladly give up any future claim to my theoretical payout of the Social Security Ponzi Scheme in exchange for no more theft of my earnings to pay into the Ponzi Scheme form this moment forward.

I'm sure Trump would let you opt out, and recieve no benefits.

[baldo]

Let's see how you supporters feel about him when he's done going after your Social Security. He's already thrown the first shot, by his EO that defers your payroll taxes. This is a gimmick that will put 6.25% more in your paycheck for a few months, then double taxes you next year.

Luckily, there's lots of resistance from employers because there's been little to no guidance from the IRS, just another slammed together directive with no planning.

If he's re-elected, you can count on him going after OUR money. Money that's been taken out of OUR paychecks all of OUR working lives.

It's simple....no tax withheld, no SS benefits down the road.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/shaharziv/2020/09/01/second-stimulus-update-irs-notice-2020-65-trump-payroll-tax-deferral-starts-today-wont-eliminate-payroll-tax-unlikely-to-defund-social-security/#b32e0901af09

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/09/01/today-is-the-first-day-of-the-payroll-tax-deferral-heres-what-we-know.html

Hollow argument. How many trillions does Pelosi want for COVID relief/ bailout my state money? Fiscal responsibility has been out the window for a while.

So do you have a reply regarding the potential loss of your Social Security benefits?

[The emperor has no clothes]

    I get nervous when I see fanatical support for anyone.  The support for Trump has reached a level where he can do no wrong in some people's eyes.  That is a move away from objective support and a move toward zealous devotion.
  (quote

Talk about fanatical support, have you Ever looked at your own party, geeeez.
Obama was the divider, could have been my son, get in their faces, Russian hoax, spying on Trump, etc.
Dems think they can do no wrong and no matter the COST they go after what they want.

Obama is your son? 

Whatever fanatical support for Trump that exists, is a direct result of 8 years of Obama, the shameful campaign of Hilliary Clinton, and the flagrant hatred and devious actions of the left to have him removed from office. You have to overlook a lot of treasonous actions by the left to see only Trumps personality faults.

John, this is a serious question on my part. I see and hear people say that Obama was and is treasonous. Could you be specific and list the actions that you feel are and were treasonous ?

I said treasonous actions of the left. Obama’s part if any has yet to be laid bare.

Oh. Well then, would you care to list who and what you believe has been treasonous on the "left" ?

How about this, you list all treasonous actions possible and I’ll check off the ones attributable to the left.

Leveling a charge of Treason against someone is pretty serious. (At least I think it is) If you truly believe there are elected officials engaged in treason, you ought to be able to list them.

[shadowsoftime]

Let's see how you supporters feel about him when he's done going after your Social Security. He's already thrown the first shot, by his EO that defers your payroll taxes. This is a gimmick that will put 6.25% more in your paycheck for a few months, then double taxes you next year.

Luckily, there's lots of resistance from employers because there's been little to no guidance from the IRS, just another slammed together directive with no planning.

If he's re-elected, you can count on him going after OUR money. Money that's been taken out of OUR paychecks all of OUR working lives.

It's simple....no tax withheld, no SS benefits down the road.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/shaharziv/2020/09/01/second-stimulus-update-irs-notice-2020-65-trump-payroll-tax-deferral-starts-today-wont-eliminate-payroll-tax-unlikely-to-defund-social-security/#b32e0901af09

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/09/01/today-is-the-first-day-of-the-payroll-tax-deferral-heres-what-we-know.html

Hollow argument. How many trillions does Pelosi want for COVID relief/ bailout my state money? Fiscal responsibility has been out the window for a while.

So do you have a reply regarding the potential loss of your Social Security benefits?

  The no tax,IT IS TEMPORARY !!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Robert]

Some worry about Trump supporters being so biased that they will not admit to anything that Trump does wrong.

Why would Trump supporters be negative to the president when the left is rabid animals.

Someone doing a good job like Police need support to keep on keeping the streets safe and from the demoralizing attacks that the left is leveling against them.

When there can be mutual agreement on the good performance that Trump has done and the stopping of the riots in the streets as being a good thing then we can have a intelligent discussion outside the battle of the heat of the moment.  

Until then Trump supporters and those who support the US will keep trying to counter the rabid rage of those trying to destroy the US.

[Alien]

Some worry about Trump supporters being so biased that they will not admit to anything that Trump does wrong.

Why would Trump supporters be negative to the president when the left is rabid animals.

Someone doing a good job like Police need support to keep on keeping the streets safe and from the demoralizing attacks that the left is leveling against them.

When there can be mutual agreement on the good performance that Trump has done and the stopping of the riots in the streets as being a good thing then we can have a intelligent discussion outside the battle of the heat of the moment.  

Until then Trump supporters and those who support the US will keep trying to counter the rabid rage of those trying to destroy the US.

Robert, I can't even begin with you.  Your conspiracy theories run too wild for me.

[vanavyman]

I think you have missed the mark on one point. Trump is a fighter and the Democrats have made themselves an adversary since day one. Imagine what the results would have been had we not had 4 years of tin foil hat attacks on the sitting President. The division in the nation is squarely on the shoulder of the Democrats.

I partially agree.  Much of the behavior of my party, particularly of Nancy Pelosi has been stupid, petulant and disrespectful.  However, Trump has taken every opportunity to publicly bash and demonize all Democrats and anyone who has ever disagreed with him.  The man never seems to show any restraint or the ability to have an unexpressed thought. 

Also his me, me, me rhetoric (I'm the greatest, I'm the best, I'm the smartest, I know the most...) turns a lot of people off.  Who likes an arrogant braggart? 

A lot of agreement in this thread! Much of what bothers you just doesn’t bother me but thats a different subject. With all his negative personality traits, if you were in a wreck and your vehicle was on fire, and Trump was there offering to pull you out, would you accept the hand, or decline and wait for someone more aligned to your way of thinking? Obama wrecked this country and put it in a ditch that I thought could take decades to reverse. Trump has had to juggle the economy, the Mueller witch-hunt, an impeachment, and a media machine aligned with his adversaries, now the virus. He had done a masterful job thus far and has maintained a positive attitude and has emulated the energizer bunny when it comes to his job. And I don’t begrudge one moment he spends on the golf course if it helps him deal with the pressures he is under. All this from a guy who could just as easily be on a beach somewhere with a cool breeze and not a are in the world.

Would I accept his help?  Yes.  But I doubt he would offer it.  Theyre's simply nothing in it for him and I don't think he is capable of empathizing with any other human.  Not really.

Sounds like you have done no research on this man at all.  I'm not a big fan of his but know of countless times he has been very generous with his money and resources before running for President.  Would I like him as a friend.  Probably not but I don't like hardly any really rich Ego guys.  But he is helping with his policies.

[shadowsoftime]

I think you have missed the mark on one point. Trump is a fighter and the Democrats have made themselves an adversary since day one. Imagine what the results would have been had we not had 4 years of tin foil hat attacks on the sitting President. The division in the nation is squarely on the shoulder of the Democrats.

I partially agree.  Much of the behavior of my party, particularly of Nancy Pelosi has been stupid, petulant and disrespectful.  However, Trump has taken every opportunity to publicly bash and demonize all Democrats and anyone who has ever disagreed with him.  The man never seems to show any restraint or the ability to have an unexpressed thought. 

Also his me, me, me rhetoric (I'm the greatest, I'm the best, I'm the smartest, I know the most...) turns a lot of people off.  Who likes an arrogant braggart? 

A lot of agreement in this thread! Much of what bothers you just doesn’t bother me but thats a different subject. With all his negative personality traits, if you were in a wreck and your vehicle was on fire, and Trump was there offering to pull you out, would you accept the hand, or decline and wait for someone more aligned to your way of thinking? Obama wrecked this country and put it in a ditch that I thought could take decades to reverse. Trump has had to juggle the economy, the Mueller witch-hunt, an impeachment, and a media machine aligned with his adversaries, now the virus. He had done a masterful job thus far and has maintained a positive attitude and has emulated the energizer bunny when it comes to his job. And I don’t begrudge one moment he spends on the golf course if it helps him deal with the pressures he is under. All this from a guy who could just as easily be on a beach somewhere with a cool breeze and not a are in the world.

Would I accept his help?  Yes.  But I doubt he would offer it.  Theyre's simply nothing in it for him and I don't think he is capable of empathizing with any other human.  Not really.

Sounds like you have done no research on this man at all.  I'm not a big fan of his but know of countless times he has been very generous with his money and resources before running for President.  Would I like him as a friend.  Probably not but I don't like hardly any really rich Ego guys.  But he is helping with his policies.

Hell, I'd love to have him as a friend. 

[Jess from VA]

Reading threads like this is like watching old TV reruns.

I suppose it's good to get it out of your system (once again), but I doubt anyone is changing anyone's mind.

Trump 2020.  And damn the torpedoes (and democrats).  I don't hate (most of) them individually, but collectively, I do.  Just like any other parasitic progressively invasive disease that is bad for all of mankind in all it's manifestations.  Can the republicans be better?  They damn sure can, but they're all we got.  It's really that simple.  

You can write-in for the Easter Bunny if it makes you feel good.... but he probably won't be elected.

And have a nice day.  

[f6john]

Let's see how you supporters feel about him when he's done going after your Social Security. He's already thrown the first shot, by his EO that defers your payroll taxes. This is a gimmick that will put 6.25% more in your paycheck for a few months, then double taxes you next year.

Luckily, there's lots of resistance from employers because there's been little to no guidance from the IRS, just another slammed together directive with no planning.

If he's re-elected, you can count on him going after OUR money. Money that's been taken out of OUR paychecks all of OUR working lives.

It's simple....no tax withheld, no SS benefits down the road.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/shaharziv/2020/09/01/second-stimulus-update-irs-notice-2020-65-trump-payroll-tax-deferral-starts-today-wont-eliminate-payroll-tax-unlikely-to-defund-social-security/#b32e0901af09

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/09/01/today-is-the-first-day-of-the-payroll-tax-deferral-heres-what-we-know.html

Hollow argument. How many trillions does Pelosi want for COVID relief/ bailout my state money? Fiscal responsibility has been out the window for a while.

So do you have a reply regarding the potential loss of your Social Security benefits?

No worries, Nancy will just have a few more trillion printed to cover the shortfall. Then she can be the savior of all the minions who keep her and her cohorts in power.

    I get nervous when I see fanatical support for anyone.  The support for Trump has reached a level where he can do no wrong in some people's eyes.  That is a move away from objective support and a move toward zealous devotion.
  (quote

Talk about fanatical support, have you Ever looked at your own party, geeeez.
Obama was the divider, could have been my son, get in their faces, Russian hoax, spying on Trump, etc.
Dems think they can do no wrong and no matter the COST they go after what they want.

Obama is your son?  

Whatever fanatical support for Trump that exists, is a direct result of 8 years of Obama, the shameful campaign of Hilliary Clinton, and the flagrant hatred and devious actions of the left to have him removed from office. You have to overlook a lot of treasonous actions by the left to see only Trumps personality faults.

John, this is a serious question on my part. I see and hear people say that Obama was and is treasonous. Could you be specific and list the actions that you feel are and were treasonous ?

I said treasonous actions of the left. Obama’s part if any has yet to be laid bare.

Oh. Well then, would you care to list who and what you believe has been treasonous on the "left" ?

How about this, you list all treasonous actions possible and I’ll check off the ones attributable to the left.

Leveling a charge of Treason against someone is pretty serious. (At least I think it is) If you truly believe there are elected officials engaged in treason, you ought to be able to list them.

You ought to be able to do as I request but that never happens either. A conversation never goes anywhere when you are involved, it’s just point, counterpoint.

At any rate I have to bow out for a while, I have to go lay some stone on a fireplace wall. I will part with saying it was/is refreshing to have Alien submit his positions on Trump and whether I agree or not I respect his thoughts.

[shadowsoftime]

If the Dems,media would leave Trump the hell alone he would turn us into the greatest Nation Ever.

[Robert]

Some worry about Trump supporters being so biased that they will not admit to anything that Trump does wrong.

Why would Trump supporters be negative to the president when the left is rabid animals.

Someone doing a good job like Police need support to keep on keeping the streets safe and from the demoralizing attacks that the left is leveling against them.

When there can be mutual agreement on the good performance that Trump has done and the stopping of the riots in the streets as being a good thing then we can have a intelligent discussion outside the battle of the heat of the moment.  

Until then Trump supporters and those who support the US will keep trying to counter the rabid rage of those trying to destroy the US.

Robert, I can't even begin with you.  Your conspiracy theories run too wild for me.

If you can answer me this one question then I will agree with you.

Why are the riots only in democratically controlled cities?

[baldo]

Let's see how you supporters feel about him when he's done going after your Social Security. He's already thrown the first shot, by his EO that defers your payroll taxes. This is a gimmick that will put 6.25% more in your paycheck for a few months, then double taxes you next year.

Luckily, there's lots of resistance from employers because there's been little to no guidance from the IRS, just another slammed together directive with no planning.

If he's re-elected, you can count on him going after OUR money. Money that's been taken out of OUR paychecks all of OUR working lives.

It's simple....no tax withheld, no SS benefits down the road.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/shaharziv/2020/09/01/second-stimulus-update-irs-notice-2020-65-trump-payroll-tax-deferral-starts-today-wont-eliminate-payroll-tax-unlikely-to-defund-social-security/#b32e0901af09

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/09/01/today-is-the-first-day-of-the-payroll-tax-deferral-heres-what-we-know.html

Hollow argument. How many trillions does Pelosi want for COVID relief/ bailout my state money? Fiscal responsibility has been out the window for a while.

So do you have a reply regarding the potential loss of your Social Security benefits?

No worries, Nancy will just have a few more trillion printed to cover the shortfall. Then she can be the savior of all the minions who keep her and her cohorts in power.

So that's a no? Got it.

[Bigwolf]

 Alien, I don't disagree with many of your points on Trump.  I'm a life long Conservative and Trump was my 16 choice in the field of 18 Candidates.  I think you are wrong when you say it is all about him.  I believe he has always had a love for this country and the Military.  In the election in 2016, like every Presidential election, it is between 2 people.  I would never have voted for Hillary who I see as the worst Candidate I've ever voted against.  Trump would have lost to several decent moderate Democrats.  I'm glad they did not run.  I've grown to like Trump the more he is in office.  But like every President in my life time there are a lot of things I don't like.  I look only at results.  Hated almost everything Obama did.  Like almost everything Trump has done and will gladly vote for him again against a worn out Biden.
  
  This election is between Biden and Trump only.  A lot of people will vote for Trump that don't like the person but like what he would do for the country better than Biden.

Dan

This is the way I think also!

Bigwolf

[Alien]

Some worry about Trump supporters being so biased that they will not admit to anything that Trump does wrong.

Why would Trump supporters be negative to the president when the left is rabid animals.

Someone doing a good job like Police need support to keep on keeping the streets safe and from the demoralizing attacks that the left is leveling against them.

When there can be mutual agreement on the good performance that Trump has done and the stopping of the riots in the streets as being a good thing then we can have a intelligent discussion outside the battle of the heat of the moment.  

Until then Trump supporters and those who support the US will keep trying to counter the rabid rage of those trying to destroy the US.

Robert, I can't even begin with you.  Your conspiracy theories run too wild for me.

If you can answer me this one question then I will agree with you.

Why are the riots only in democratically controlled cities?

They aren't.  That's a BS narrative that Guillani made up.  Look it up for yourself.

[Patrick]

Some worry about Trump supporters being so biased that they will not admit to anything that Trump does wrong.

Why would Trump supporters be negative to the president when the left is rabid animals.

Someone doing a good job like Police need support to keep on keeping the streets safe and from the demoralizing attacks that the left is leveling against them.

When there can be mutual agreement on the good performance that Trump has done and the stopping of the riots in the streets as being a good thing then we can have a intelligent discussion outside the battle of the heat of the moment.  

Until then Trump supporters and those who support the US will keep trying to counter the rabid rage of those trying to destroy the US.

Robert, I can't even begin with you.  Your conspiracy theories run too wild for me.

If you can answer me this one question then I will agree with you.

Why are the riots only in democratically controlled cities?

They aren't.  That's a BS narrative that Guillani made up.  Look it up for yourself.

Why don't you just simply tell us which cities, then we can look it up and either agree or disagree.

[scooperhsd]

I haven't seen any cities that do not have a democratic mayor have these problems with rioters. If there were any with republican mayors - they put them out pronto like they should have done.

[fudgie]

"I need to clarify my position on Trump"

No you don't. 

[Bighead]

Let's see how you supporters feel about him when he's done going after your Social Security. He's already thrown the first shot, by his EO that defers your payroll taxes. This is a gimmick that will put 6.25% more in your paycheck for a few months, then double taxes you next year.

Luckily, there's lots of resistance from employers because there's been little to no guidance from the IRS, just another slammed together directive with no planning.

If he's re-elected, you can count on him going after OUR money. Money that's been taken out of OUR paychecks all of OUR working lives.

It's simple....no tax withheld, no SS benefits down the road.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/shaharziv/2020/09/01/second-stimulus-update-irs-notice-2020-65-trump-payroll-tax-deferral-starts-today-wont-eliminate-payroll-tax-unlikely-to-defund-social-security/#b32e0901af09

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/09/01/today-is-the-first-day-of-the-payroll-tax-deferral-heres-what-we-know.html

Hollow argument. How many trillions does Pelosi want for COVID relief/ bailout my state money? Fiscal responsibility has been out the window for a while.

So do you have a reply regarding the potential loss of your Social Security benefits?

I was told at a  very young age to not count on SS so I haven’t. If you are depending on it for retirement you are screwed.
Hey we conservatives don’t like a lot of things about The POTUS but we accept he is an ass sometimes ut gets the job done. PERIOD.
O’bama had a chance to be one ofthe greatest Presidents ever but instead he set back race relations 30+ yrs.  never a fan of his but holed he succeeded for the good of our country. But he failed.  Towards the end of his term I couldn’t stand to look at that Fake A$$ Ba$tard.

[Robert]

Atlanta has been controlled by Democrats for the past 140 years.

Democrats, including Nancy Pelosi’s father and eldest brother, have held the mayor’s office in Baltimore for all but eight of the last 89 years.

In Chicago, Democrats have been in charge of the nation’s third-largest city exclusively since 1931.
 
Detroit has been run continuously by Democrats since 1962, including 39 years of stewardship by African-American mayors between 1974 and 2013.

In Los Angeles, 13 of the past 15 mayoral terms have been held by Democrats. Their control of the city began in 1961 and was interrupted by Republican Dick Riordan’s two terms from 1993-2001.  

Democrats have held control in Philadelphia since 1952.

City Hall in Seattle was, by design, nonpartisan until 1990 when three-term incumbent Charles Royer left the mayor’s office. The year before, Seattle was named one of the “best managed cities in the nation.” Since then, Democrats have run the city exclusively, including through the recent turmoil and the uproar  resulting from the city’s first gay mayor, Ed Murray, resigning after multiple allegations of child sex abuse.  

Finally, there is New York, where Rudy Giuliani’s two terms as mayor from 1993-2001 followed by Michael Bloomberg’s 12-year tenure as a Democrat-turned-Republican-turned-Independent gives the city some claim to bipartisan management over the last three decades. Even so, Democrats have long had a lock on the City Council and the place was run exclusively by Democrats for the 25 years between 1969 and 1994. For the last six years it has been helmed by Bill de Blasio, one of the most outspoken progressive Democrats in America.

America’s 25 Worst Cities are Democrat-Led – The Answer, New Leaders
https://amac.us/americas-25-worst-cities-are-democrat-led-the-answer-new-leaders/

NO not Q but AMAC/Association of mature American Citizens   

[MAD6Gun]

Some worry about Trump supporters being so biased that they will not admit to anything that Trump does wrong.

Why would Trump supporters be negative to the president when the left is rabid animals.

Someone doing a good job like Police need support to keep on keeping the streets safe and from the demoralizing attacks that the left is leveling against them.

When there can be mutual agreement on the good performance that Trump has done and the stopping of the riots in the streets as being a good thing then we can have a intelligent discussion outside the battle of the heat of the moment.  

Until then Trump supporters and those who support the US will keep trying to counter the rabid rage of those trying to destroy the US.

Robert, I can't even begin with you.  Your conspiracy theories run too wild for me.

If you can answer me this one question then I will agree with you.

Why are the riots only in democratically controlled cities?

They aren't.  That's a BS narrative that Guillani made up.  Look it up for yourself.

 OK if it's a BS narrative then name some Republican run cities that are currently on fire. Come on we'll wait...

[Pappy!]

Don't hold your breath waiting....you'll turn blue!

[old2soon]

           Yup I are anxious to see that list of republican cities that have kept the rioters rioting.
                                                            RIDE SAFE.

[f6gal]

Some worry about Trump supporters being so biased that they will not admit to anything that Trump does wrong.

Why would Trump supporters be negative to the president when the left is rabid animals.

Someone doing a good job like Police need support to keep on keeping the streets safe and from the demoralizing attacks that the left is leveling against them.

When there can be mutual agreement on the good performance that Trump has done and the stopping of the riots in the streets as being a good thing then we can have a intelligent discussion outside the battle of the heat of the moment.  

Until then Trump supporters and those who support the US will keep trying to counter the rabid rage of those trying to destroy the US.

Robert, I can't even begin with you.  Your conspiracy theories run too wild for me.

If you can answer me this one question then I will agree with you.

Why are the riots only in democratically controlled cities?

They aren't.  That's a BS narrative that Guillani made up.  Look it up for yourself.

 OK if it's a BS narrative then name some Republican run cities that are currently on fire. Come on we'll wait...

If it helps, here is a list of the largest cities with Republican mayors.  

San Diego, California - Kevin Faulconer
Jacksonville, Florida - Lenny Curry
Fort Worth, Texas - Betsy Price
El Paso, Texas - Dee Margo
Oklahoma City, Oklahoma - David Holt
Fresno, California - Lee Brand
Mesa, Arizona - John Giles
Virginia Beach, Virginia - Bob Dyer
Colorado Springs, Colorado - John W. Suthers
Omaha, Nebraska - Jean Stothert
Miami, Florida - Francis Suarez
Tulsa, Oklahoma - G. T. Bynum
Arlington, Texas - Jeff Williams
Bakersfield, California - Karen Goh
Aurora, Colorado - Mike Coffman
Anaheim, California - Harry Sidhu
Corpus Christi, Texas - Joe McComb
Lexington, Kentucky - Linda Gorton
Plano, Texas - Harry LaRosiliere
Lubbock, Texas - Dan Pope
Irvine, California - Christina Shea
Glendale, Arizona - Jerry Weiers
Garland, Texas - Scott LeMay
Hialeah, Florida - Carlos Hernandez
Chesapeake, Virginia - Richard West
Gilbert, Arizona - Jenn Daniels
Irving, Texas - Rick Stopfer
Scottsdale, Arizona - Jim Lane
San Bernardino, California - John Valdivia

[Robert]

Well it should get very easy and quick to identify which cities are democratically controlled.

Trump Orders Feds To Begin Process Of Defunding New York, Portland And Other "Lawless" Cities

    My Administration will do everything in its power to prevent weak mayors and lawless cities from taking Federal dollars while they let anarchists harm people, burn buildings, and ruin lives and businesses. We’re putting them on notice today. @RussVought45
    — Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) September 3, 2020

OMB Director Russell Vought told the NY Post that "American taxpayers who fund the great programs that our cities rely on deserve to be protected by their local city officials." He added that the administration was "exploring all options to ensure federal resources flowing to lawless cities aren’t being squandered.”

    "The lack of law and order surrounding these riots, and response from local leadership, is a dereliction of duty. Our men and women in blue cannot be handcuffed by local leadership in their efforts to respond to riots and protect their fellow citizens."

Subject: Memorandum on Reviewing Funding to State and Local Government Recipients That Are Permitting Anarchy, Violence, and Destruction in American Cities

https://publicpool.kinja.com/subject-memorandum-on-reviewing-funding-to-state-and-l-1844936038