The Mind of a Liberal

[carolinarider09]

As ususal Serk, you are correct.

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[Ken aka Oil Burner]

If the courts find the election was clean and legitimately decided for the Democrats, and if former vice-president Biden is duly sworn in on January 20th, 2021, then like it or not, he will be my president.

I'll fight him every step of the way if he tries to implement the radical communist agenda he's been pushing but, sadly, he will be my president.

Agree completely. I have serious doubts that there was no foul play, but I have no "proof". I've seen countless videos and witness statements saying that dirty deeds were done, but I wasn't at any one of those sites as it allegedly happened. If the courts find that the evidence is compelling enough to challenge the results, I'll agree. If they honestly feel that no misdeeds were done, I'll have to accept that. As you said, I'll not accept a radical communist or socialist agenda, and will do my part to fight it. We survived 8 years of the Obama administration (not well, but we did). Sadly, though, I have a feeling we may see those 8 years as the good old days compared to what we may see going forward. That was just a stepping stone. Four years from now, another fight for the future of the United States will be upon us. Again, approximately 50% of the country will still see no issue with inviting further communist ideas into our lives. Maybe more, thanks to the indoctrination... er...educational system.

[Robert]

While I understand Serk and some what agree what about the China investigation and the money from China that Joe and Hunter should be prosecuted for?
 
Joe Biden made a pay for play deal with the Chinese and Hunter is about as dirty as they come so what about all this? Does it just vanish and do we say no harm no foul?

If this just disappears and there is no answer to this then he is a criminal if not for the case then for not answering the questions in suitable manner.

I think we are forgetting here some basic facts like Biden and Clapper,Brennen, Comey, Pelosi, Hillary, Kamala, are all in on this and Russia Gate yet we are just going to let all that slide and call corruption normal.

You do realize that this is what is happening right? No president has gone into office with this much against him and no one is saying a word.

Hell Trump went into office with so much less and got prosecuted at every turn.

Sorry a thief may be in office of the president someone who actually sold out the USA and while I respect the office and if the man is the president, I do respect that position he holds but I would not elect a criminal for president and will not agree that he is my president.

To me its one of the few times in my life time that I can truly say we have a valid reason for not saying he is my president.

[Serk]

While I understand Serk and some what agree what about the China investigation and the money from China that Joe and Hunter should be prosecuted for?
 
Joe Biden made a pay for play deal with the Chinese and Hunter is about as dirty as they come so what about all this? Does it just vanish and do we say no harm no foul?

Yes he did, he's dirty as they get and should spend the rest of his life in prison.

But we're a nation of laws.

I disagreed with O.J. Simpson being found not guilty too, but we have to respect the findings of the courts if we wish to remain a nation of laws.


(Until we can't anymore, but I don't think we're quite there yet, and hope we never get there...)

[f6gal]

If the courts find the election was clean and legitimately decided for the Democrats, and if former vice-president Biden is duly sworn in on January 20th, 2021, then like it or not, he will be my president.

I'll fight him every step of the way if he tries to implement the radical communist agenda he's been pushing but, sadly, he will be my president.

Ditto.

"Not my president" was and would be ridiculous.

[Robert]

While I understand Serk and some what agree what about the China investigation and the money from China that Joe and Hunter should be prosecuted for?
 
Joe Biden made a pay for play deal with the Chinese and Hunter is about as dirty as they come so what about all this? Does it just vanish and do we say no harm no foul?

Yes he did, he's dirty as they get and should spend the rest of his life in prison.

But we're a nation of laws. 

I disagreed with O.J. Simpson being found not guilty too, but we have to respect the findings of the courts if we wish to remain a nation of laws.


(Until we can't anymore, but I don't think we're quite there yet, and hope we never get there...)

We are a nation of laws 


 and those laws do not apply to Biden or any of the other names that I named. So are we really a nation of laws?

We have ceased to uphold those laws for a select set of the population, so being a nation of laws has LOST its meaning.

We are dabbling in 3rd world territory now and how do we know the election was fair and not corrupted, answer, WE DON'T.

What do we have to look forward to the next election since there will be no laws changed to stop corruption.

Should we give up hope that we will have a say in the next election? I sure dont feel confident in being really represented by my vote.

In Obama's or Trumps election it was never this ugly or confusing, so there was no basis for, "not my president".

Lady justice is no longer blind, she goes and winks at these elites.

I am watching Gotham on tv we might as well call Washington, Gotham.

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.” ― Edmund Burke

No liberal who does not want the fair and just and have corruption rooted out of government will ever be someone to listen to.

Funny and ironic that they dont see that just like the blacks, that the dems used them to help get elected then turned around and stabbed them in the back so it will be with every liberal that cried for Biden.

They don't care and the liberals are blind to this and vote for him like he is there savior. We will see how they act when they find out their savior is their jailer and they cry, what happened.

If you want to dispute anything I have said, then look to Seattle its the perfect example of corruption, lack of justice and the fermenting of social unrest for political change.

I respect the office of president, I do not respect Biden.

[Moonshot_1]

While I understand Serk and some what agree what about the China investigation and the money from China that Joe and Hunter should be prosecuted for?
 
Joe Biden made a pay for play deal with the Chinese and Hunter is about as dirty as they come so what about all this? Does it just vanish and do we say no harm no foul?

Yes he did, he's dirty as they get and should spend the rest of his life in prison.

But we're a nation of laws.

I disagreed with O.J. Simpson being found not guilty too, but we have to respect the findings of the courts if we wish to remain a nation of laws.


(Until we can't anymore, but I don't think we're quite there yet, and hope we never get there...)

We are a nation of laws and those laws do not apply to Biden or any of the other names that I named. So are we really a nation of laws?

We have ceased to uphold those laws for a select set of the population, so being a nation of laws has LOST its meaning.

We are dabbling in 3rd world territory now and how do we know the election was fair and not corrupted, answer, WE DON'T.

What do we have to look forward to the next election since there will be no laws changed to stop corruption.

Should we give up hope that we will have a say in the next election? I sure dont feel confident in being really represented by my vote.

In Obama's or Trumps election it was never this ugly or confusing, so there was no basis for, "not my president".

Lady justice is no longer blind, she goes and winks at these elites.

I am watching Gotham on tv we might as well call Washington, Gotham.

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.” ― Edmund Burke

No liberal who does not want the fair and just and have corruption rooted out of government will ever be someone to listen to.

Funny and ironic that they dont see that just like the blacks, that the dems used them to help get elected then turned around and stabbed them in the back so it will be with every liberal that cried for Biden.

They don't care and the liberals are blind to this and vote for him like he is there savior. We will see how they act when they find out their savior is their jailer and they cry, what happened.

If you want to dispute anything I have said then look to Seattle its the perfect example of corruption, lack of justice and the fermenting of social unrest for political change.

The Country has a political system that has been under 2 party rule for over 60 years. They've created a political industry. Be in government for 50 years and have 5 houses and millions of dollars and never create anything but misery.

We are a Nation of Laws. But the political establishment makes them.

Term Limits.

[carolinarider09]

Term limits will only happen if a Convention of States can be convened.  Those in power will never, ever give up that power without a fight. 

Thirty Four states are needed to establish this convention.  Can't find an actual status as of today but I think the movement is less than half way there. 

[Robert]

 Irony is not wasted here, since the liberals or dem the party of the just and fair, that called Trump on every little thing they could, dont call for prosecution, for Biden being bought by China and possibly a rigged election and even try to vote him into office.  The irony is to thick to cut with a knife.

Mind you this is done while every tech company, media outlet censors every conservative person and censors every bit of reported scandal.

Fair and just, my a@@

[..]

As ususal Serk, you are correct.

PPPPP

Dats a lotta coffee!

[Moonshot_1]

Term limits will only happen if a Convention of States can be convened.  Those in power will never, ever give up that power without a fight. 

Thirty Four states are needed to establish this convention.  Can't find an actual status as of today but I think the movement is less than half way there. 

Well, we should rev it up some.

[Willow]

We are a nation of laws 
 and those laws do not apply to Biden or any of the other names that I named. So are we really a nation of laws?
...
In Obama's or Trumps election it was never this ugly or confusing, so there was no basis for, "not my president".
...
I respect the office of president, I do not respect Biden.

We are a nation of laws and those laws are not about accusation but about conviction.

The elections of Obama and Trump were of the same tone though a little less intense.

To proclaim disrespect for the duly elected president is to admit disrespect for the country and its systems.  If we have problems, and we do, we need to concentrate on solving those problems.  We need to as best we can try to solve those problems within the boundaries of our system of government.

Democracy is not the finest and most beneficial system of government.  The best and most beneficial system of government is a benevolent dictatorship.  Unfortunately there is a severe shortage of benevolent dictators.  

[Tarkus]

however much respect the liberals showed for Trump that is how much I will show for Biden. Funny how that works. For 4 years we have watched them say "not my president" and try and defy the election and now they wonder why the opposite side is defying the election. Touche

This is a very good point. For over three years they pissed and moaned about the lack of legitimacy of the 2016 election because of a fabricated conspiracy theory of Russian collusion, for which zero evidence could be produced by the intelligence community (who by the way made every effort to find something). Ostensibly it was all about protecting our Constitution and the integrity of our elections. Now for 2020 there is all this glaring evidence of illegitimacy due to massive voter fraud. But this time..."it's all good".  "Nope...nothing to see here." "Let's just move along." The hypocrisy on display here is so flagrant that...well, if you don't see it then...

There is so much more at stake here than just the election. If you understand what's going on, then you understand what I mean.  But it may be something a little too challenging for a liberal mind to grasp.  

[Crackerborn]

I can respect the Office of President while having serious disdain for the individual occupying the position. Our system of government was designed for honorable elected officials that have the best interest of the country in mind. The "professional" politician was never expected by the framers of our system of government. The current pile of feces' on both sides of the aisle need to be removed from office, investigated and probably prosecuted for malfeasance, dereliction of duty, subversion and graft (at the least).

On a local note, some Assembly candidates spent up to $3 Million for a position that pays $56k/year with a two year term. How is that even possible or legal?

By the way, my favorite smokeless powders have been un-available for over a year. When you throw about a thousand small jacketed projectiles downrange every month that becomes a concern. And I doubt it will get better now.

[The emperor has no clothes]

Okay, well...this is not resulting in the outcome I had hoped for. No constructive dialogue. Just more bickering. C'mon man!!

I guess you're right.  So far just few dismissive replies. Beyond that, just silence. But it's the silence that speaks so much louder than words. And I see the belittling replies as different ways of saying..."I don't have a good answer...just shut up and obey".

 

Tarkus, of course it didn't result in the outcome you had hoped. (I'm going to paraphrase here, because I don't want to have to quote each thought) You title your thread "the mind of a liberal", then you make many pronouncements about the liberal mind, with all of them being negative in nature. Then you ask for help in understanding the liberal mind.

You really didn't want to understand the "liberal mind" now did you ? Belittling responses ? Maybe some got deleted, but I don't see any.

That's pretty much the same point I was making about the article you posted.  Maybe you can understand what I was saying, if you put it in this context. 

I understood what you were saying. I wish I had not linked that article. Once many of you read the mean things about Trump, it turned you off. I should have just made a post in my own words. Live and learn. The story I was trying to tell was how little each side understands the other. I thought I knew where Trump supporters were. I was dead wrong.
  As to a post that professes to want to understand the "liberal mind", and then goes on and on to tell you how they already know so much about said mind, seems highly suspect to me.

[Robert]

I seriously wonder what will happen when Trump wins.

[carolinarider09]

As ususal Serk, you are correct.

PPPPP

Dats a lotta coffee!

I was sort of hoping that Serk might notice the Raspberry Pi in the foreground.  Its a bit old but its still operational. 

[The emperor has no clothes]

however much respect the liberals showed for Trump that is how much I will show for Biden. Funny how that works. For 4 years we have watched them say "not my president" and try and defy the election and now they wonder why the opposite side is defying the election. Touche

Maybe I'm wrong. But I think I know you better than that. I believe you will base your respect or lack of it, on the man himself. Your lack of respect for the people (liberals) that you described, is completely understandable. I'm not sure I understand disrespectful behavior towards someone because of someone else.

[Robert]

We are a nation of laws 
 and those laws do not apply to Biden or any of the other names that I named. So are we really a nation of laws?
...
In Obama's or Trumps election it was never this ugly or confusing, so there was no basis for, "not my president".
...
I respect the office of president, I do not respect Biden.

We are a nation of laws and those laws are not about accusation but about conviction.

The elections of Obama and Trump were of the same tone though a little less intense.

To proclaim disrespect for the duly elected president is to admit disrespect for the country and its systems.  If we have problems, and we do, we need to concentrate on solving those problems.  We need to as best we can try to solve those problems within the boundaries of our system of government.

Democracy is not the finest and most beneficial system of government.  The best and most beneficial system of government is a benevolent dictatorship.  Unfortunately there is a severe shortage of benevolent dictators. 

Laws are a standard that are held up to lived by nothing more,

accusations or charge says you broke that standard. But if no one brings a accusation or charge did you break that standard? The law cannot enforce itself, it cannot investigate itself and it cannot prosecute itself. The court will either agree or disagree with the person who brings the charge, based on documented support. But it stands as an accusation till a judge convicts.

A nation of laws means nothing if not enforced correctly. 

Biden is not the duly elected president and I do not respect one that is morally corrupt regardless of position. I respect the position and act accordingly to honor that position but not the person in that position.

I respect the system and see the beauty in the system and wish to see it enforced, but I don't respect those that fail in their jobs to enforce the system or pervert the system for their own gain. Which means I am a patriot and wish to see the country and its systems enforced as they were written. So I do have respect for the country and as some have posted am willing to act to see these systems upheld. That action though is not outside the system dictates.

We as you know are a Republic and very different from a democracy. That requires no dictator and no benevolence from government as the people ARE the government. Oh how far we have slid from that idea.

We have no problems that we cannot solve, being a country of laws, but only as long as self interest and moral corruption is removed from the enforcement of laws already on the books. This is what we see at the top and in the government today corruption of the laws or non prosecution, to serve self interest. 

[Toovalks]

First of all, I'll say right off the bat, that I'M with you MEATHEAD!

Liberal,Conservative, Democrat,Republican...matters not... time marches on... the train heading to the future left the station eons ago. It doesn't turn around , it doesn't stop... nations grow... populations
change,diversify. (Our country,you might note was made up of immigrants from it very roots) America can't be made great again by trying to turn back the clock to "better times". You might ask ,WHO were those times better for???  Were they really better for all of you guys??..Did you send your children to school?? Was it because the state demanded it of you? Was it because you wanted a better future for them?  There is that future thing again!!! .. It just seems that it's coming and with it comes change.

I know that when I was a kid, 68 yrs ago , growing up in a union town in mid Michigan, life was grand...
My family wasn't rich but we had savings and lived a Middle class life. The manufacturing jobs were numerous and jobs at the auto "PLANT" were coveted. Most people had a decent job, my tuition at MSU
cost $225.00 per term.

Before I completely lose those of you willing to read this far...Here is my point.  
In the span of time since then... the corporations in this country took the jobs away....not the government that so many of you choose to blame.  Starting in the late 60's and early 70's the bottom line began to mean more to companies than the workers or this country. Today, major corporations care as much or more about their stock value than their workers or their products. Tariffs, Corporate tax breaks, benefit who... not you unless you have a nice portfolio. Did you see all the new jobs created
in the states when all that capital was repatriated???...well, the corps. did manage to buy back billions
of their own stock...making themselves and their investors more wealthy AGAIN . Meanwhile "the Business man" that you embrace so warmly, measures his success by the DJIA which is only a measure of the growth of wealth at the top. This sounds like anything but socialism, right??? Growing wealth at the top
growing underclass, and shrinking middle class....no socialist class equity here RIGHT???
Butt who has the bright future in this scenario...??? do we???

A case in point... in 1968 the fed minimum wage was $1.60.....today it $7.25 if you only took into account inflation... today's wage should be $8.54... If you took into account increased worker productivity...$21.72.....Who is earning that difference?

Watch this if you care>>>
Today... the financial services industry is the largest slice of the GDP ....this is really what your leader or even congress  cares about...not workers, not immigrants, not healthcare, not the farmer.. not the small business man (me for the last 50 years) ...not YOU either. But the wall street bankers, day traders, fund managers and on and on... and of course those of us (56%) with 401k's
https://www.statista.com/statistics/222122/us-corporate-profits-by-industry/

The Russian elite, while the U.S.S.R. still existed, in private spoke of ways to control the narrative
that the Russian citizens would believe... keep them hungry , stand them in lines(food), give them something to fear...you will have your way with them.... the "Republicans are great at doing two things
Telling people what the need to fear, and who to blame.(a line from a movie, 25 years ago)

The result of this obfuscation is that too many folks look where they want you to not where you need to. HE has you vilifying those that HE says are your enemy and
We need more  of us to be Toto , to pull the the curtain back, see the wizard for who he is!
Greed is really our enemy and not understanding that the train that IS inevitably moving forward and we need to get on board and figure out ways to make it all work.

[Serk]

I was sort of hoping that Serk might notice the Raspberry Pi in the foreground.  Its a bit old but its still operational. 

I have a friend that's very into the Rasberry Pi, but since I've got a full blown ESXi farm in the house, unless I decided to build an arcade box I've never seen the point, but yeah, they're pretty cool!

[Serk]

The best and most beneficial system of government is a benevolent dictatorship.  Unfortunately there is a severe shortage of benevolent dictators.  

[Serk]

A case in point... in 1968 the fed minimum wage was $1.60.....today it $7.25 if you only took into account inflation... today's wage should be $8.54... If you took into account increased worker productivity...$21.72.....Who is earning that difference?

We're getting off the point a bit here, but a minimum wage is really just a government mandated minimum unemployment level...

[The emperor has no clothes]

The best and most beneficial system of government is a benevolent dictatorship.  Unfortunately there is a severe shortage of benevolent dictators.  

Yep, no doubt about it. Your meme ability increases with the setting sun.

[Serk]

Yep, no doubt about it. Your meme ability increases with the setting sun.

Thanks to idiotic government (But I repeat myself), the sun sets way earlier than it should right now, so.... stand back and stand by! 

[The emperor has no clothes]

Yep, no doubt about it. Your meme ability increases with the setting sun.

Thanks to idiotic government (But I repeat myself), the sun sets way earlier than it should right now, so.... stand back and stand by! 

I’ve seen a pic of your whiskey stockpile, you are going to be just fine. 

[Serk]

Yep, no doubt about it. Your meme ability increases with the setting sun.

Thanks to idiotic government (But I repeat myself), the sun sets way earlier than it should right now, so.... stand back and stand by! 

I’ve seen a pic of your whiskey stockpile, you are going to be just fine. 

Heh.... And if that doesn't work out, you haven't EVEN seen pics of my liberty defense stockpile....

Just hoping it doesn't come to that.....

[The emperor has no clothes]

Yep, no doubt about it. Your meme ability increases with the setting sun.

Thanks to idiotic government (But I repeat myself), the sun sets way earlier than it should right now, so.... stand back and stand by! 

I’ve seen a pic of your whiskey stockpile, you are going to be just fine. 

Heh.... And if that doesn't work out, you haven't EVEN seen pics of my liberty defense stockpile....

Just hoping it doesn't come to that.....

It won't. And obsessing on that option is just going to deplete the whiskey stockpile quicker. If I could deal with the heartbreak of the '16 election, you can deal with this. (It would have helped if AZ would have legalized weed back then though) 

[Serk]

It won't. And obsessing on that option is just going to deplete the whiskey stockpile quicker. If I could deal with the heartbreak of the '16 election, you can deal with this. (It would have helped if AZ would have legalized weed back then though) 

Hoping it doesn't... If Harris gets her way and implements her plan though.... it will....

But... sincerely hoping the good guys can hold the senate and stop it from getting to that point....

We can clean up and fix almost anything else, but if she tries to implement her citizen disarmament plan, it will get ugly... Very very ugly.....

[Jess from VA]

The Mind of a Liberal

Pudding.  With nuts.

[baldo]

The Mind of a Liberal

Pudding.  With nuts.

Blahblahblah..

Those cursed liberals.

[Jess from VA]

https://townhall.com/columnists/derekhunter/2020/11/08/liberals-show-us-who-they-really-are-n2579674

https://townhall.com/columnists/jeffcrouere/2020/11/08/the-resistance-has-begun-n2579693

[Robert]

Greed is really our enemy and not understanding that the train that IS inevitably moving forward and we need to get on board and figure out ways to make it all work.

According to a report issued by the Small Business Administration (SBA) in 2019, small businesses account for 44 percent of economic activity in the United States. Small businesses create two-thirds of new jobs and deliver 43.5 percent of the United States' gross domestic product (GDP).

 I have to work harder to train someone and to get them up to speed until they actually produce at a level that I can make some money off of. So I invest myself personally into someones life and cover all the hazards that go with that so they can leave and take what they learned to someone else.

Big corporations don't have to worry about the money since they can pay it without a problem. Obama was the one that raised things to a point that its almost unworkable to hire someone with no skills, no training, no self discipline, and give them a skill.

By raising the minimum wage you are on big businesses side really and hurt the economy and small businesses. You also hurt the American dream by saying to start a business its going to cost you more and you have to jump through bigger hoops.

Our economy is based on small business and that is something most forget since its not in the forefront of the headlines.  All the tech industries work this way and while we have a supply of workers for computer related stuff all the tech industries have no one and will one day bite everyone.

Trump in the economic downturn was the only one to make small business tops on the list to get handouts to survive and keep your workers. Obama gave the bail out to the rich and it was free money while people lost houses, jobs and lives.

There is so much more to this but by simply making industry move here and giving people jobs Trump has done more to help the middle class than any previous president and made those industries pay the price to market their products here.

He essentially said, dont hire US workers and make things here then you are going to pay a tariff and we will use the money that you give to help the workers.

Making big business pay for their misdeeds is fairly easily done but the minimum wage is not the way. But it needs the help of Congress who is paid by big business and we are not a communistic society either so it has to be done right.

Members of congress who come in poor or the presidency and leave rich are the bastions of big business.


A few names that come to mind are Clinton, Obama, Fienstien, Biden, Harris just to name some who got speaking engagements worth millions, yet who has the money to pay 500k to a million for speaking for 1 hour?

I remembered something, in the UK they had apprentice programs that would train someone into a career and pay them some small amount and they would have to work there for a period of time. We in the USA dont have this and most of the time any training is accomplished through small business or big business with entry level positions.

I know of one girl that started on an entry level position at a fast food place and was quickly promoted to manager then to regional manager. No one wants to keep good help down, everyone is looking for qualified, intelligent people to promote and raise up to positions that are there. Sometimes those at the bottom are there for a reason also.

[Wizzard]

however much respect the liberals showed for Trump that is how much I will show for Biden. Funny how that works. For 4 years we have watched them say "not my president" and try and defy the election and now they wonder why the opposite side is defying the election. Touche

Maybe I'm wrong. But I think I know you better than that. I believe you will base your respect or lack of it, on the man himself. Your lack of respect for the people (liberals) that you described, is completely understandable. I'm not sure I understand disrespectful behavior towards someone because of someone else.

You are right,, got caught in a bad mood. It happens
 

[Serk]

I was sort of hoping that Serk might notice the Raspberry Pi in the foreground.  Its a bit old but its still operational. 

So now that it's the light of the day and I'm fully awake, you've got my curiosity up..... How's the Pi tied into the reloading setup?

[carolinarider09]

Its not "tied" it just lets me use its browser on YouTube so that I can use their videos to make sure the steps I am taking are correct and rational. 

There is a TV Monitor directly above the Raspberry Pi (mounted on the wall) so I can watch and do at the same time.  The keyboard and mouse are connected via bluetooth and are stored on the shelf out of the way.

The reloading machine is pretty straight forward but, since it has several parts that need to be set properly I need something besides a book or printout.  Video is always better. 

I forget why I got my First Raspberry Pi but it was four or five years ago at least.  I have a couple of them which I purchased actually to use at work.  We had a remote video display at our plant access area to show safety messages, remind employees of events.  It broke one day and we worked for a couple of weeks with the company's IT group and it was sort of "no its not that important".  So, I got one of my Pi's, put the appropriate program on it, set up a PC in the group responsible to allow the PowerPoint type presentation to be placed on the remote Pi and issue was solved. 

When I left a couple of years ago, it was still being done that way.  Much cheaper than the system they were using.  Just required you to walk to the plant access area. 

But I digress.

[Serk]

Its not "tied" it just lets me use its browser on YouTube so that I can use their videos to make sure the steps I am taking are correct and rational.  

Ahh, gotcha! I use a tablet for much the same purpose. Sadly, haven't been on the bench much lately, most of the calibers I shoot HAD been cheaper to buy than reload so I hadn't bothered. (Not the case now of course. Thanks Democrats!)

It's funny, I've found reloading almost as pleasurable as shooting, I get into a kind of Zen meditative state and just crank away. I need to do some more, just to do it.

[carolinarider09]

Agreed.

I am just glad the shelf life of unopened smokeless power is almost indefinite.