I/S fairing stays (?)

[srelegante]

I am a recently new Valkyrie owner, and doing some necessary changes. I had to take the radio panels off, and some of the stays (?) that hold the screws in pulled out of the plastic, after so many years without being taken apart.

I have the necessary service done, and was going to put them back in with some gorilla glue and leave them overnight, is there a better manner to handle the situation?

I’m sure this is been covered many times, feel free to point me to an existing thread.

Thanks!

SE

[Bagger John - #3785]

Use JB Weld.

Put the fairing screws in the inserts with a little silicone grease on the threads then use JB Weld in the fairing pockets. Seat the inserts and leave for 24h.

The grease prevents the JB Weld from sticking to the screws. Remove them and install your fairing components.

[srelegante]

Perfect.

Will do.

Thank you!

SE

[Steel cowboy]

One more thing or two, the stay has a small round disc at one end, make sure it’s still on there. And more important use anti seize on the threads before you reinstall the screws.

[Skinhead]

One more thing or two, the stay has a small round disc at one end, make sure it’s still on there. And more important use anti seize on the threads before you reinstall the screws.

I would replace the used inserts with new.  When the screws are installed they expand the inserts to aid in retention.  The inserts can be bought from Honda or from McMaster-Carr (cheaper)

https://www.mcmaster.com/catalog/94510A330

order the m5x0.8mm size

Also, if you insert the screws prior to gluing, it will expand the inserts, you could pack the inserts with cotton or paper towel and then remove it after the glue dries.

[Bagger John - #3785]

I have a bunch of new inserts. If the old ones are in too bad of a shape to re-use I'll grab a new one from the stash and install it, else the original (pre-expanded) insert gets glued back in.

Also anti-seize my screws when re-installing them.

Used to have access to a source of inserts that were a bit better design than the Honda part but I left the particular company a number of years ago.

[gordonv]

If it doesn't pop up in the right post, it's near the end of the second page.

http://www.valkyrieforum.com/bbs/index.php/topic,96578.40.html

Search to should find something on it. Recommend to all new owners of IS to remove those screws and apply a little anti seize on them, before you need to try to remove the cover while on the road.

[RonW]

fyi, you can deep link a specific post instead of the parent thread. Activate the post to find the URL, Post #60's title line in this instance.

http://www.valkyrieforum.com/bbs/index.php/topic,96578.msg1143880.html#msg1143880

[srelegante]

One more thing or two, the stay has a small round disc at one end, make sure it’s still on there. And more important use anti seize on the threads before you reinstall the screws.

I would replace the used inserts with new.  When the screws are installed they expand the inserts to aid in retention.  The inserts can be bought from Honda or from McMaster-Carr (cheaper)

https://www.mcmaster.com/catalog/94510A330

order the m5x0.8mm size

Also, if you insert the screws prior to gluing, it will expand the inserts, you could pack the inserts with cotton or paper towel and then remove it after the glue dries.

New stays on the way!

Thanks!

SE

[gordonv]

fyi, you can deep link a specific post instead of the parent thread. Activate the post to find the URL, Post #60's title line in this instance.

http://www.valkyrieforum.com/bbs/index.php/topic,96578.msg1143880.html#msg1143880

http://www.valkyrieforum.com/bbs/index.php/topic,96578.msg1143880.html#msg1143880

OK, I think I got it. point to the subject of the post I wish to zoom too, and copy that link. Came up above.

I couldn't figure out what you meant of # 60, since nothing mentioned # 60 in your link.

Now if I'll only remember it the next time I need it. 

[RonW]

gordonv, somebody taught me that in another forum.

[Jersey]

Recommend preparing the area very well for the JB Weld.

I thoroughly clean with alcohol, then I use a Q-Tip and apply some PVC Solvent to the plastic.  This is the same stuff used in plumbing and PVC piping.  This will open up the plastic surface and will hold the JB Weld better.

Hope that helps,
Jersey

[da prez]

Ditch the JB weld. Short term fix. BLACK ABS  glue. Not multi purpose.  I clean with mek. You can close the holes and redrill. I have repaired many parts. The faring is abs plastic.

                da prez

[Bagger John - #3785]

Ditch the JB weld. Short term fix. BLACK ABS  glue. Not multi purpose.  I clean with mek. You can close the holes and redrill. I have repaired many parts. The faring is abs plastic.

If you're going to close the hole and re-drill, the best way to do this is with a plastic welder and ABS filler rod.

ABS "cement"  - more ofthen than not - is more "solvent" than "filler" and when patching holes will result in a softer (easier to pull out or deform) repair unless one thoroughly mixes a bunch of ground-up ABS into it, forming a very thick slurry. Have had numerous experiences with the stuff on Gold Wing bodywork before going to the mixed slurry and finally the plastic welder method.

FWIW, I've repaired a number of I/S fairing inserts with JB Weld and have yet to have a pullout. Some are 14 years old (my current I/S).