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Anybody think the feds don't know anything about what's going on with the drones over New Jersey? I understand they're rather large, but if you want some answers just get a couple snipers with those long range rifles and let them go to work. Bring down a couple drones and I'll bet you'll get some answers. It would have to be done in an open area so no damage or injury takes place when it comes down. Going to be interesting!
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« Reply #2 on: December 10, 2024, 01:42:16 PM » |
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« Reply #3 on: December 10, 2024, 01:55:06 PM » |
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ya never know about folks in Flori-duh. We have our share of strange ones.
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« Reply #4 on: December 11, 2024, 05:07:04 AM » |
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The news this morning said "Do not shoot at he drones, they are considered aircraft" and they assumed the charges would be the same if you attempted to shoot down an airplane  I don't know if its a New Jersey rule or a national one. They also said they were the size of a car hood or a small car and not for sale to the public. |
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« Reply #5 on: December 11, 2024, 06:10:38 AM » |
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The news this morning said "Do not shoot at he drones, they are considered aircraft" and they assumed the charges would be the same if you attempted to shoot down an airplane I don't know if its a New Jersey rule or a national one. They also said they were the size of a car hood or a small car and not for sale to the public. This is correct... As is usual, when recreational drones became a thing "The People" called out for the government to "do something" and the government "did something". Any drone .55 pounds (250 grams) or larger is now regulated under FAA regulations, and thus is an FAA regulated aircraft, making it federally illegal to shoot at 'em. (Don't think it matters if the drone owner/operator is following their end of the bargain on this, but IANAL... But if they ARE then those things are carrying transmitters and The Government knows exactly what they are, who owns 'em, etc...) That, and some idiot would shoot at 'em with a rifle instead of a shotgun... Rifle bullet has a nice long arcing trajectory, and would likely miss the drone and kill someone a mile on the other side of the drone. |
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« Reply #6 on: December 11, 2024, 07:07:25 AM » |
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My two cents, based on the information from the links below: Here is some text from the first link below: Federal law requires all drones operated under 14 CFR Part 107 to be registered. The limited statutory exception for recreation requires registration of all aircraft weighing more than .55 pound (250 grams). All registered aircraft must have their registration number displayed on the exterior. Review the UAS registration information to learn more about the program.Here is some text from the second link below: Even more, organizations and security agencies can mitigate the drones by physically impeding them over their airspace. Here are the two drone mitigation methods that you can explore.
1. Radiofrequency Jamming
2. Radiofrequency Interception/SpoofingAfter catching a drone on your property, you can decide to use the data to prosecute the offender. Or you can take matters into your own hands and stop the drone by interfering with its signals through jamming or spoofing.Link one: https://www.faa.gov/faq/do-i-need-register-my-drone-and-if-so-how-do-i-registerLink two: https://www.droneblog.com/detect-a-drone/If you read the information about what you, as the owner and potential flyer of a drone must do to be able to fly the drone, you will find that there are rules. The problem in this case is that it appears the rules do not apply. And here is something I was not aware of but might be useful. This free app tracks nearby drone flights using Remote ID datahttps://dronedj.com/2022/10/04/remote-id-drone-tracking-app/And there is this. Is It a Crime to Fly a Drone Over Another's Private Property? https://www.criminaldefenselawyer.com/resources/when-a-drone-flies-over-my-house-is-it-trespassing.htmlI have never seen a drone flying over my property. I have used my drone very little but I try and keep it over my property or public property. |
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« Reply #7 on: December 11, 2024, 07:44:09 AM » |
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Now that a suspect in the NYC murder has been arrested, the incidents of drone sightings may subside in NY/NJ  |
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« Reply #8 on: December 11, 2024, 11:49:14 AM » |
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« Reply #9 on: December 11, 2024, 12:25:33 PM » |
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« Reply #10 on: December 11, 2024, 03:32:36 PM » |
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Heh... Pentagon denies they're Iranian....
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I agree with a Fox News commentator who says they are probably a defense contractor testing its work. |
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« Reply #11 on: December 11, 2024, 04:11:02 PM » |
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From the link below: PUBLISHED DEC 11, 2024 3:36 PM BY THE MARITIME EXECUTIVE Police in Asbury Park, New Jersey have reported a huge cluster of drones arriving from offshore, including more than a dozen that appear to have tracked a Coast Guard motor lifeboat. Rep. Chris Smith (R-NJ) reported Tuesday that about 50 drones arrived from seaward over Asbury Park on Sunday night. As many as 30 additional drones followed a 47-foot USCG fast response boat as it operated just off the coast, he said. https://maritime-executive.com/article/drone-swarm-tracks-u-s-coast-guard-boat-off-new-jersey |
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« Reply #12 on: December 11, 2024, 06:12:47 PM » |
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Ya know, I was just reading today about a new laser system the Brits have that knocked down multiple drones with a 100% kill rate.
I would be greatly surprised if the US doesn't also have a similar system. Just my opinion but, military bases and other strategically important areas should have no fly zones established where anything flying above them within a certain radius and not squawking the correct codes and or in communication with the controller of that airspace should be immediately eradicated with out remorse.
Don't care who owns or is operating that drone. But, that's just my opinion. This just happens to include the airspace above my home.
Edited: Lost private pilots would learn to navigate if this was put into practice.
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« Reply #14 on: December 12, 2024, 07:40:52 AM » |
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good to know that is illegal to shoot down drones. but if one comes in my backyard and within say 100 ft up or less, I will take my chances with my .22 and see if lucky enough to hit it still.
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« Reply #15 on: December 12, 2024, 08:13:56 AM » |
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Ok, if these are legally flying drones and with all the press and noise in the media about them, why has someone not said, "Not to worry, they belong to Joe Blow and we are doing .........".
That has not happened implying the need for the owners to keep the intent of the flights confidential. That is not good news.
Stand up and tell us why or suffer the consequences.
Just my two cents. I am tired of this kind of "secretive behavior".
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« Reply #16 on: December 12, 2024, 02:18:03 PM » |
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You cant tell me the military is letting large drones regularly fly over a military base. They are bound to know what and who they are or they would take them out
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« Reply #17 on: December 12, 2024, 03:32:56 PM » |
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They should enjoy it while they can. I don't the new management coming in will be as tolerant.
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« Reply #18 on: December 12, 2024, 03:40:32 PM » |
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I know how to make them leave my backyard peacefully. I'll go out there naked and do he-man poses.   |
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« Reply #19 on: December 12, 2024, 04:12:01 PM » |
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Our “highly qualified” government officials say they have no idea who's they are, but they don’t seem to be a threat. They didn’t seem to threaten the military installations they flew over. I feel so much better after hearing that.
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« Reply #20 on: December 12, 2024, 04:50:26 PM » |
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I know how to make them leave my backyard peacefully. I'll go out there naked and do he-man poses. Do it Jess. Might stop the Iranians from attacking |
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« Reply #21 on: December 12, 2024, 04:53:27 PM » |
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I know how to make them leave my backyard peacefully. I'll go out there naked and do he-man poses. Do it Jess. Might stop the Iranians from attacking Who the hell knows what those people think? But I'm pretty sure they don't like naked. |
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« Reply #22 on: December 13, 2024, 06:07:11 AM » |
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If these things are so large, can't they be tracked by radar like other aircraft? And to where do they originate and return? If the US government can't figure that out, maybe they need to call Elon.
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« Reply #23 on: December 13, 2024, 07:49:13 AM » |
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good to know that is illegal to shoot down drones. but if one comes in my backyard and within say 100 ft up or less, I will take my chances with my .22 and see if lucky enough to hit it still.
A .22 can kill a human up to 1.5 miles away... If you're gonna do that at least use a shotgun with birdshot so it doesn't cause harm where harm isn't intended... Also another interesting observation - the pics/videos I've seen of these have been mostly at night and mostly have visible lights on them... Whatever/whoever they are, they WANT to be seen, or they'd go higher and run dark... |
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« Reply #24 on: December 13, 2024, 08:02:02 AM » |
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Also another interesting observation - the pics/videos I've seen of these have been mostly at night and mostly have visible lights on them...
Whatever/whoever they are, they WANT to be seen, or they'd go higher and run dark...
I strongly suspect that some (if not most) of these sitings are manned piloted aircraft and not drones. It's hard to determine altitude of an aircraft (especially at night) if, you don't know the type and size of the aircraft. Agreed on the lighting. What sound did these UFO make? Edited: Additionally, they want to be seen (especially at night by other pilots) even if the FAA didn't require lighting. Rams |
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« Reply #25 on: December 13, 2024, 08:07:16 AM » |
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That always get me when they say, well, we don't have any details, but we can rule out terrorism/foreign actors/foul play, etc. If you don't have any details, how can you rule out anything?
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« Reply #26 on: December 13, 2024, 11:26:43 AM » |
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ok SERK, will use no 6 shotgun shells to pepper it good up 100ft or so since not wanna kill whomever is flying them, good point. NO reason they be hanging around southern WI anyways not much ever goes on even at night in rural WI.
The govt. knows why they there and who they are, they just not leaking out the info. for some reason. The military could easily take one down and find out who is in charge of them but since they have not done it yet, they already know and lying to the USA.
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« Reply #27 on: December 13, 2024, 02:02:42 PM » |
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Another thought/possibility is that we're witnessing a classic example of the Baader–Meinhof phenomenon...
Basically, the phenomenon where once you notice a thing (Or hear about a thing) you start noticing more of that thing...
Someone saw a big drone, or a low flying plane, and reported it, then other people started looking for drones, and seeing them everywhere. And reporting about them, thus more people started looking for them and seeing them everywhere and.... here we are...
(And there are more too, my local Wal Mart has a drone heliport in the parking lot where they do deliveries via drone to folks within a mile or so of the store.)
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« Reply #28 on: December 13, 2024, 03:25:10 PM » |
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Another thought/possibility is that we're witnessing a classic example of the Baader–Meinhof phenomenon...
Basically, the phenomenon where once you notice a thing (Or hear about a thing) you start noticing more of that thing...
Someone saw a big drone, or a low flying plane, and reported it, then other people started looking for drones, and seeing them everywhere. And reporting about them, thus more people started looking for them and seeing them everywhere and.... here we are...
(And there are more too, my local Wal Mart has a drone heliport in the parking lot where they do deliveries via drone to folks within a mile or so of the store.)
Very possible, now that everyone in NJ is looking, the same drone could be reported hundreds of times and of course, none of us see the same thing so, it's impossible to know what's really going on. One thing I'm pretty sure of is there are a few Drone Operators having a ball flying their drones at night. Serk implying that a shot gun may be the best response seems valid to me.  Rams |
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« Reply #29 on: December 13, 2024, 03:33:11 PM » |
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One thing I'm pretty sure of is there are a few Drone Operators having a ball flying their drones at night.
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WDBJ7 received reports and messages from people saying they saw them Roanoke, Pulaski, Radford, Salem, Vinton, Floyd, Danville and Fincastle.
If they come around , my area they will be shot down most likely LOL
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« Reply #31 on: December 14, 2024, 08:03:33 AM » |
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One thing I'm pretty sure of is there are a few Drone Operators having a ball flying their drones at night.
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« Reply #33 on: December 15, 2024, 06:53:14 PM » |
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I know how to make them leave my backyard peacefully. I'll go out there naked and do he-man poses. Pictures or it didn't happen! Rams |
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« Reply #34 on: December 15, 2024, 07:00:30 PM » |
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Until I'm proved wrong, this is my opinion. While I won't suggest that there aren't drones out there flying around at night, I also note that a single drone will most likely be reported by a very large number of people who then convince other people to start looking and more reports are filed. Again, that's not to suggest there aren't drones out there flying around at night but, the same UFO can be reported hundreds of times. But, I also recognize that the majority of people out there wouldn't know the difference between a drone and a piloted aircraft, especially at night. What sound did the UFO make? It's difficult to estimate altitude of an flying object from the ground if, you don't have an idea of the objects size (again, especially at night). Are there more than one drone out there flying around, sure. I'm betting the local Drone Operators are laughing their asses off at what's going on. Now, if someone would please tell me what laws or FAA Regulations are being broken, that would be greatly appreciated. Don't get me wrong, I would not appreciate a drone hovering over my home but, the air above my dirt is not mine to control. Many folks are threatening to shoot them down, OK, just don't get caught. My advice would be to dig a hole that night in your least favorite neighbor's yard and bury the drone there. Just remember, many drones have the capability to take your live streamed picture back to it's operator. Again, let me be clear, I don't want anything hovering over my house and if I were to "shoot" one down, I can assure you I would not be bragging about it and the fallen evidence would not be located anywhere near my home. I would also assume (don't know this to be factual) that the expensive drones have some sort of air tag or tracking device so that if it were to crash for some unknown reason, it could be found . There are reports of drones invading/flying over restricted areas (military bases and other "special" areas). Our military has for some time been researching laser weaponry. I would suggest that drones flying over such areas be "cooked". Such a policy should also incentivize private pilots to learn to read a map and navigate. Reference lasers pointers that many of us have, please don't point those things at aircraft. Before doing so, turn your laser pointer on and shoot the beam directly into a mirror so your eye can experience what happens. (Don't do that!) You won't want to do it more than once, I assure you. Pilots don't enjoy the experience either................... Essentially, it comes down to this is the latest shiny object and it's got our attention............. Rams |
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Rams - even inexpensive hobbyist drones like my obsolete DJI Mavic Pro has real time HD streaming video and live GPS tracking... And as to the identity of the drones:  |
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« Reply #36 on: December 15, 2024, 08:09:30 PM » |
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Rams - even inexpensive hobbyist drones like my obsolete DJI Mavic Pro has real time HD streaming video and live GPS tracking...
And as to the identity of the drones:
I accept your word on that. Never flown one and honestly, have no interest in doing that. The rest of my post stands until I'm proven wrong. I still haven't been advised on how all these UFOs are breaking any laws or FAA Regs. Rams |
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Rams - even inexpensive hobbyist drones like my obsolete DJI Mavic Pro has real time HD streaming video and live GPS tracking... And as to the identity of the drones:   That was great thanks ... |
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« Reply #38 on: December 16, 2024, 06:07:03 AM » |
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Rams - even inexpensive hobbyist drones like my obsolete DJI Mavic Pro has real time HD streaming video and live GPS tracking...
And as to the identity of the drones:
I accept your word on that. Never flown one and honestly, have no interest in doing that. The rest of my post stands until I'm proven wrong. I still haven't been advised on how all these UFOs are breaking any laws or FAA Regs. Rams Oh don't misunderestimate me, I agree with your post (Mostly)... Was just confirming one aspect of it. Potential FAA regs being broken, if they're NOT registered then any drone over 250 grams is illegal to fly... If they ARE registered, then what's the mystery... |
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« Reply #39 on: December 16, 2024, 06:18:01 AM » |
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Rams - even inexpensive hobbyist drones like my obsolete DJI Mavic Pro has real time HD streaming video and live GPS tracking...
And as to the identity of the drones:
I accept your word on that. Never flown one and honestly, have no interest in doing that. The rest of my post stands until I'm proven wrong. I still haven't been advised on how all these UFOs are breaking any laws or FAA Regs. Rams Oh don't misunderestimate me, I agree with your post (Mostly)... Was just confirming one aspect of it. Potential FAA regs being broken, if they're NOT registered then any drone over 250 grams is illegal to fly... If they ARE registered, then what's the mystery... Just saw a report where someone finally checked out the airports and routes these UFOs were reported on. Turns out that the majority of reported UFOs sitings are on either the departure or approach routes planes would take. Hmmm................. Who'd have thunk that................ Serk's picture just adds support to my opinion that the majority of people have no idea of what or how big this traffic is. And as to the identity of the drones: I have no doubt there is some illegal drone activity (a very minute percentage) but, I still haven't seen anything to change my opinion of what's going on. Just the latest shiny object that caught the public's attention. Generally speaking, folks that live under these paths from airports don't like the noise of aircraft flying over their homes, I suspect this may be another aspect of some of these reports. Edited: We build an airport well away from cities and sure enough homes and businesses follow to the same areas. Then folks want to gripe about the aviation activities flying over their homes. Never fails to amaze me.Again, I still have not heard of any illegal activities. Have no doubt there may be some but, innocent until proven guilty seems applicable. Rams |
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VRCC# 29981
Learning the majority of life's lessons the hard way.
Every trip is an adventure, enjoy it while it lasts.
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