10 key reasons why the Obama presidency - UK article

[Robert]

The reason the US is a Republic is obvious if you have ever run a business then you would know that no business would survive being run as a democracy. The other point is if the powers that be can make all the people think this is a democracy get the laws and rules passed that they want by judges.  Water down the constitution and the peoples understanding that they are the decider's of their own future not the government then the next step is socialism. Exactly where we are now. Its no longer what the people want but what the government wants. The arrogance of some of our public officials is astounding they work for us not that we serve them.

This is a quote from the video that the eman building the mosque said,
The US didn't deserve what happened BUT, "US policies were a accessory to the crime that happened"
No one here has yet told me what the difference is between the Muslim religion we are fighting in Afghanistan that took down the towers and the one that is supposed to be peaceful here in the US.

Ben Laden who is still not found, why shouldn't our allies or even any country give him up knowing that he did a terrible thing or maybe behind our back they really endorse what happened. That the ideals they have are more in alignment with Muslim nations than the US? Dont you see that in there eyes we are weak. that we have the best military but our cohesion as a country is in the dumps, Thats what causing this is the Im ok your ok mentality. The Locker be bomber was released thinking he only had a short time to survive, goes home to his home country and is hailed as a hero. WAKE UP America, look at Briton. Maybe we should hail Ted Bundy as a hero.

[Charlie]

The US is not a democratic society but a Republic which has a few differences one of which is majority rules.

Well put.  Now show us the statistics you have which show the majority feel the same way you do.  If you can, you have a good point.  If you can't you are just rambling.  Frankly, I believe the moderate view and, obviously, the liberal view, are not with you.  That suggests the majority is not with you, but I can not prove that, so, maybe I am rambling   

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As you may know, a group of Muslims in the U.S. plan to build a mosque two blocks from the site
in New York City where the World Trade Center used to stand. Do you favor or oppose this plan?
Aug. 6-10
2010
Favor 29%
Oppose 68%
No opinion 3%

Cnn Mosque Poll

Fifty-two percent of the respondents said they did not want the mosque to be built at all, 31 percent are in favor of it, and 17 percent are undecided

http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local-beat/New-Yorkers-Oppose-Ground-Zero-Mosque-Poll-97602569.html

Ok, but I wasn't intending to say the majority does or does not want it built there, but rather the majority doesn't feel the government has the right to stop the building of it.  If I could make the decision, I would not allow it.  In order for it to be proven the majority is against this, a vote has to be taken and there has to be a majority voting.  As I said earlier, without that, you are just rambling by making the claim.

[Scanner]

As long as you think we are at war with a religion you have lost.  

Bush had a war against "terrorism" - terror is a tactic employed by those who are small and weak and don't have a total defense budget equal to the rest of the wold combined.  You can't win a war against a tactic.  

And you who make it a war against a religion are even more misguided. such a war can never be won or even effective.   Those who attacked us may use terrorism or be of a religion, but the only effective action is to fight the individuals or groups who performed or directed the attacks. If not, the terrorists sit back and laugh at the idiocy of those who kill everyone but their real enemy, and in the process persuade more and more people to join their cause.

Just plain dumb.

[Robert]

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Ok, but I wasn't intending to say the majority does or does not want it built there, but rather the majority doesn't feel the government has the right to stop the building of it.  If I could make the decision, I would not allow it.  In order for it to be proven the majority is against this, a vote has to be taken and there has to be a majority voting.  As I said earlier, without that, you are just rambling by making the claim.
[/quote]

WHO IS THE GOVERNMENT? Is it us the people or the elected officials? As I said before government has plenty of power to stop this. The Mayor is a elected official just like the attorney general and any other appointed person. Their job is to listen to the people and do what they the people want. Proposition 8 was just that a vote on what the majority wanted and what happened not only did a judge say you people voted but that didn't matter and whats worse the governor and the attorney general that took a oath of office to do the peoples will and protect it basically are traitors to their job and the people. Because the people spoke/voted and they did as they wanted with no mind to the vote. So when you say vote on it I say bs but I will say this I think the people that have to deal with this eman over the building are going make it hard going for him.

[Robert]

Scanner I never proposed a war over religion in fact the war as it stands now should stop. If we allow this mosque then why are we at war for what? Poppy fields, land,oil what? I say we need to respect the people that died, respect this country, and have a firm front when someone under the pretense of help from the very religion that birthed this mindset to do this thing wants to build a monument to it. That all the bleeding hearts would bleed for America first and the lives that were lost and do the right thing.  like I said why dont they give money or start a foundation for the 911 victims? That wont happen so wise up know what the real intent is stand against it say that they can build a mosque somewhere else. Since they did this have the decency to deny them the final victory of building a monument at that spot to Osama/muslim. Like I said before the dome of the rock built in Jerusalem is there for one purpose to stop the rebuilding of Solomons temple in case you hadn't read any other posts. They dont use it for any functions. Let me give you a little more history when the turks took Jerusalem the ruler Suliman the great of the Ottoman empire blocked off the east gate and then put a Muslim cemetery there so Jesus even if He could get through the wall would still be unclean if he went through the cemetery. So even in the old days was it so that space occupied under Islam is done so no one else can be there and as a monument. Where you laugh and mock spiritual ideas they not only respect them but do things to protect themselves spiritually. What a testament to Jesus that even in those days His return was so feared that the ruler built a cemetery and blocked a gate so the kind couldn't return. Why cant we have this kind of respect today?????????? That the dome of the rock was built on Solomons temple so that It couldnt go up again. The wailing wall is the wall of the Temple and thats below the dome of the rock.The turks which are Muslim fought with the Nazis in WW2.

[big d]

why is a place of worship/ family center/ day care center being built in a business district in the first place. i dont know too many people that travel an hour to worship if they have a place to do so near their home. just doesn't make sence to me, unless it is being built for other reasons......

[G-Man]

     Here's a BIG what if:
   

     But let's set the stage and make some assumptions. That the USA is overall the most powerful nation on the globe. We have a President that is/was being cheered around the world upon his election. Our President has apologized for our "bad behavior" to the rest of the world. We have men and women dieing around the globe to establish the very freedom we discuss here, a sacrifice they make willingly and freely.

     What if the undisputed leader of the free world who everybody loves and adores were to communicate to those necessary that while they have every right under our laws to build a mosque anywhere that meets established building criteria that it would be in very poor taste, that it would forever be a reminder the religious tenants that the terrorists hid behind was theirs. That as we respect their rights and religious freedom that they should know that building this mosque would be like us pissing on the Koran or depicting a cartoon Mohammad.


     It is my understanding that the President made a decision to take a public position on the mosque and he did it in front of a group made up of muslim and islamic people of importance. He let me down, again, No real leadership. Everyone and anyone can quote from the constitution and our laws, but when you are in the most powerful position in the free world it takes a special brand of leadership and diplomacy to address something like this. He is not the man for the job, I don't know if there is presently a politician that is the man for the job. It would sure be nice to get behind a real leader.

+1   

[Bobbo]

The left continues to deamonize those against this particular building by throwing the constitution out there.  I just wish that they would see that nobody is denying anyone's right to practice any religion they choose. 

The constitution does protect the rights TO practice, it does not give permission to do it anywhere they want, however.

There is a church that has been trying to build a church and school in my neighborhood and has been fought by the town for 10 years now.  They are not being denied the right to practice, they are being denied to build due to the affects it will have on the surrounding community due to traffic, tax exemptions, zoning, etc.

I don’t really care what “the left” are doing.  The idea I oppose is that some people are calling on the federal government to intervene and prevent this mosque from being built.  The First Amendment restricts the federal government (and subsequently state governments) from taking action purely on a religious matter.  Local property, zoning, and building laws, not popular opinion, should determine this situation.  The Church you are referring to is experiencing these problems since they can’t meet local building restrictions.  If they meet all local laws, then no one can prevent the building of a Church and School.

[Robert]

Sorry Bobo your wrong No churches have been approved for building in Palm Beach County None and there were requests. In fact its been 5 years not one approval. I have seen it even our church tried to buy a piece of property that was already part of a church that was used for a recreation field at one time and we couldn't get approval. Its not only in Palm Beach but across the US.

[Bobbo]

Sorry Bobo your wrong No churches have been approved for building in Palm Beach County None and there were requests. In fact its been 5 years not one approval. I have seen it even our church tried to buy a piece of property that was already part of a church that was used for a recreation field at one time and we couldn't get approval. Its not only in Palm Beach but across the US.

Were any of those denials based on bigotry against Christianity?  If they adhered to local zoning and building codes, and an anti-Christian government official denied the permit, they have an easy case for First Amendment rights.  If they failed to conform to longstanding zoning laws, that is a different matter.

[98valk]

10. Obama doesn’t believe in American greatness

Hey Strong eagle, kiss my skinny white American ass

What utter nonsense.

Hey!  Did someone delete the CA exhausted and coated dude?  Has his skinny white AMERICAN ass disappeared into nothing?  Is the CAEC boy demonstrating homoerotic tendencies, what with him asking me to kiss his ass and all?

if u read closely u will see that it wasn't me who posted that. my original post was hyjacked with a quote.
please edit your post against me. thank you.

do u know that an eagle is a reference to God Almigthy, the Creator of all things? This is the reason it was picked as a symbol of this great God formed country.
I take it from your post that u are against all things of God?

[Blade]

http://www.bornagainamerican.org/

freedom isn't free and comes as a very high cost of American lives,
I find it appalling that this is even taking place. And God will have to sort this out!