Boy Now has NO Ears

[Serk]

My little side story about pits... And it's even Valk related, and not forced! (Pet peeve of mine is the forced "Now it's Valk related" meme...)

Friend of mine is a big pit fan... I don't think they should be banned or anything silly like that, but I'm not a fan of the breed, and don't think they're appropriate for a family with children. (He has small children and 2 pits, his choice... He also takes the time and effort to train and socialize his dogs.)

At the time he had a Valkyrie (Sad story, owned it 5 years, put under 5,000 miles on it before he totaled it literally 20 seconds before selling it). He'd been out riding it, gotten home, got off the bike and was standing near it. His male pit was between him and the bike, and backed up into the bike. The dog stood there with his testicles pushed against the hot exhaust until they were almost cooked off before he had the sense to move away. The dog never yelped, whined or made any sign of being in distress or pain.

Now, my friend cited this as an example of the toughness of the breed, that he could take the pain of having his testicles cooked on a hot Valkyrie exhaust.

Personally, I see it as a sign of lack of intelligence (Not necessarily the breed mind you, just the specific example at hand.)

Anyway, not trying to damn the breed from one example of stupidity or lack of mental capacity, just one semi-humorous story about one pit...

[Hef]

You hear about wild animals which have been trained and are supposedly domesticated  and then all of a sudden they attack their trainer/owner. It's just in them and chances are it will eventually expose itself. A wild animal will always have wild animal instincts. WIth the number of attacks by Pit Bulls reported, I could not be comfortable with owning one.

[Jay]

I have to agree with Willow, Joe...you can't hate all spaghetti until you've had all the spaghetti in existence....

Now Brussels sprouts...you can definitely hate all of them without trying them all....

Dave

When I was a kid I got attacked by plates of Brussel sprouts a lot.  Scarred me for life.

[98valk]

the ignorance of american pitbull terriers and other dogs is amazing and just goes to show the power of the news media to brain wash supposively smart people who don't take the time to find out for themselves. I recently had to put my pit down after 16 yr 4 months. I rescued him when he was 4 months old. When walking through the neighborhood, when any children came up to him, he immediately greeted them with a lick and then stood guard over them all the while they were petting him and moving fast around him. this was always with children he never saw or met before. it was amazing to watch how he protected strange children. anybody who has been around dogs and children know that most dogs are afraid of children and snap at them because of the fast and unpredictable movements of a child. And he wasn't raised around kids.

some more info and websites for who want to be educated about pitbull terriers.

From their inception, these dogs have been bred for general human companionship, and since the 1900s, they have been bred for conformation showing as well. From the very beginning, pit bulls have been used as farm dogs, family dogs, military mascots, and all-purpose companions.

In England, the Staffie Bull is affectionately known as “The Nanny Dog” or “The Children’s Nursemaid” because of their placid and nurturing demeanor toward children. See the FAQ for more information on these topics.

http://www.understand-a-bull.com/Articles/MistakenIdentity/WrongId.htm

Quite often dogs that attack are identified as pit bulls when they are not.  It seems that any dog of medium build with short hair is thought to be a pit bull.  There are 20+ breeds that are commonly incorrectly identified as pit bulls.  

The worst part of this identity problem is that the initial attack has frontpage coverage with PIT BULL all over it.  Then several day's later when they properly identify the dog as a mix breed or another breed that story is a line or two on page 30 buried.  

Some examples:

http://www.understand-a-bull.com/Articles/MistakenIdentity/WrongId.htm

Police said the Medina officer was investigating a loud
music complaint this weekend when a dog she thought
was a pit bull charged at her.
Witnesses said the officer shot the dog three times.
The owner said the dog was a boxer and a new mother.


http://www.pitbull411.com/history.html

Over the years, the American Pit Bull Terrier has been a beloved symbol of Americana. In World War I, a pit bull named Stubby captured the heart of the nation. Stubby was the unofficial mascot of the 102nd Infantry Division and was credited with saving the lives of several of his human comrades. For his valiant service, Stubby won several medals and was even awarded the rank of sergeant! He came home from the war to a hero's welcome and went on to become the mascot for Georgetown University.

Over the years, many famous Americans have owned pit bulls. Mark Twain, Theodore Roosevelt, Laura Ingalls Wilder, Thomas Edison, Woodrow Wilson, John Steinbeck, Helen Keller, and Fred Astaire have all been proud to own dogs of this breed. The actor Ken Howard (the father on the TV show Crossing Jordan) even credits his pit bull with saving his life.

Pit bulls have crept in the hearts of Americans through a variety of ways. For years, RCA recording company looked to a pit bull as its corporate logo. Similarly, Buster Brown Shoes used a pit bull as the cornerstone of their marketing campaign.

But, perhaps the most famous pit bull was Petey, the adorable ring-eyed cutey featured on the TV show Little Rascals. In no time at all, Petey secured a place alongside Alfalfa, Spanky, and the other rascals as a national treasure. A little known fact about Petey is that his telltale ring actually changed form one eye to the next between seasons of the TV show. Although no one knows for sure why this happened, it is rumored that the original Petey was poisoned and was replaced by a look-a-like, or at least a look-a-like with markings that necessitated the eye change.

Today, the American Pit Bull Terrier is a beloved animal that is used in a variety of helping functions in society including police dogs, search dogs, therapy dogs, and farm dogs. Even so, negative publicity has led many cities to condemn them as a community problem. This perception has been supported by the prevalence of illegal dog fighting in cities and small towns across America. In recent years, gangs have taken a fancy to dog fighting and elevated the ownership of trained fighting dogs as a status symbol.

The negative treatment of pit bulls in our society is unfortunate to say the least. Pit bulls and people can live harmoniously if given the chance. Training is an important consideration in pit bull ownership. The history of the breed demonstrates that unless he is properly trained and socialized at a young age, this strong-minded dog will quickly attempt to dominate the household. However, with the proper training the American Pit Bull Terrier can be a remarkably loyal and valued member of the family.

http://www.pbrc.net/breedinfo.html
*”Pit bull” is NOT a breed. It's a generic term often used to describe all dogs with similar traits and characteristics known to the public as "pit bulls." When we use the term “pit bull” here, it should be understood to encompass American Pit Bull Terriers, American Staffordshire Terriers, and Staffordshire Bull Terriers.

While pit bulls do carry the potential for dog aggression, the vast majority of pit bulls are very far from “fighting lines,” and many are not dog aggressive at all. It’s not accurate to say that pit bulls are “fighting dogs,” because such a designation fails to describe such a diverse animal population, most of which are very far from “fighting stock” and will never be involved in fighting of any kind.  

From their inception, these dogs have been bred for general human companionship, and since the 1900s, they have been bred for conformation showing as well. From the very beginning, pit bulls have been used as farm dogs, family dogs, military mascots, and all-purpose companions. In England, the Staffie Bull is affectionately known as “The Nanny Dog” or “The Children’s Nursemaid” because of their placid and nurturing demeanor toward children. See the FAQ for more information on these topics.

[The Anvil]

anybody who has been around dogs and children know that most dogs are afraid of children and snap at them because of the fast and unpredictable movements of a child.

No, most dogs do NOT snap at children, unfamiliar or otherwise. You obviously have not been around dogs all that much.

Oh, and Staffies and APB's are not the same breed, they just look very similar so don't one's behavior as an example of the other.

[98valk]

anybody who has been around dogs and children know that most dogs are afraid of children and snap at them because of the fast and unpredictable movements of a child.

No, most dogs do NOT snap at children, unfamiliar or otherwise. You obviously have not been around dogs all that much.

u really think u know a lot but u don't. its really a shame that u have to post and expose your complete lack of knowledge on many subjects. the more u post the more u expose yourself for what u are.
so now call me a name like u did on another post where I also called u on the carpet for things u wrote about being untrue.
Edit:  Text removed.
for anybody who wants to know the truth.
http://www.aspcabehavior.org/articles/38/Fear-of-Children.aspx

[The Anvil]

anybody who has been around dogs and children know that most dogs are afraid of children and snap at them because of the fast and unpredictable movements of a child.

No, most dogs do NOT snap at children, unfamiliar or otherwise. You obviously have not been around dogs all that much.

u really think u know a lot but u don't. its really a shame that u have to post and expose your complete lack of knowledge on many subjects. the more u post the more u expose yourself for what u are.
so now call me a name like u did on another post where I also called u on the carpet for things u wrote about being untrue.
Edit: Text removed.
for anybody who wants to know the truth.
http://www.aspcabehavior.org/articles/38/Fear-of-Children.aspx

"Some dogs fear children and look frightened or upset whenever they see a child. Signs of fear include a lowered body or hunched back, a tucked or lowered tail, flattened ears, averted eyes, lip licking, whining, panting, trembling and urinating. Fearful dogs might also display signs of defensive aggression, which include growling, barking, showing teeth, lunging, snapping and biting. Some dogs fear children of a specific gender, size, race or age. Others fear all children, regardless of appearance.

Note that in the link it says "some" not MOST as you asserted.

I'm sorry but you are wrong. I've been through the adoption process with HUNDREDS of people including families with children (it's what I do there). Only once did I ever see a dog snap at a child during a meet and greet and these are always unfamiliar situations. For that matter, I have three dogs now and two kids, never had one snap at any of them or at any of their friends. I'm not saying it doesn't happen but you said; "most dogs are afraid of children and snap at them". That's just wrong, wrong, wrong.

Nice spelling BTW. Edit: Text removed.

[The Anvil]

Terriers are bred to hunt and kill game. It's in their nature. Same with the herding, hunting breeds ect , they are bred for different traits. Terriers are more prone tobe aggressive. When out Aireweiler was onto the scent of a Rock Squirrel, you couldn't beat him off the hunt with a stick.

True. It's like when we go out for walks and my Aussie runs circles around the girls. He's herding them. He does the same thing to our cats.

[Rocketman]

Any animal can snap.   Pits may be statistically higher, I don't know.  However, I do know that dog attacks are like motorcycle wrecks (bear with me, that will make sense soon, I hope).  If a Pit attacks a person, we get told about a Pit attack, and get shown unrelated video of snarling Pits.  If any other breed attacks a person, we get told of a dog attack, and get unrelated video of snarling dogs (frequently Pits).  It's like a motorcycle wreck report where we get told that he wasn't wearing a helmet.  The breed is a sensationalist piece of information, that gets selectively reported, based on what we've been trained to want to hear.

Speaking as the owner of a Pit mix, YES, IT'S THE OWNER/TREATMENT/INDIVIDUAL DOG.  My neighbor's full-bred Pit is the happiest dog I've ever seen.  My 1/2 Pit is great with the kids.  My eldest actually sat in the dog's food bowl when she (the child, not the dog) was 1 yr. old.  She did this while the dog was eating.  The dog sat and waited patiently until the child got out of the bowl.  I wasn't happy, and was a bit scared, because I know how dogs are with food, but she did it, and the dog behaved wonderfully.  Try that with a Chihuahua.  You'll get nipped, pretty much every time.  You just won't care, because a nip from a Chihuahua might scare a child, whereas a nip from a full sized breed will hurt her.
That being said, I wouldn't want to be a burglar in the house.  The Pit has an eery sense of who belongs in the house and who doesn't.  When a crook ran through our backyard, the dog nearly tore down the backdoor to get at him.  Even in that hyped up, adrenaline pumped state, when the cop came to our front door to check things out, the dog saw that I invited the cop into the house, and the dog was happy to see the cop, friendly as could be.
Just what I want in a dog.  Aggression to intruders, but love to residents and invited guests.

[bscrive]

The problem I see with Pitt Bulls are the people who have them.  Usually I see young kids (18-25) and butt heads with them.  They use them as a status symbol and do not give the dog any training what so ever.  I have a German Shepherd and if he was not trained he could be as destructive as any Pitt Bull.  Instead he is a great companion and guard dog.  I like the Pitt Bull breed and I think they have just had a bad rap because of poor ownership.  The German Shepherd used to have a really bad rap, so much so that after WW2 they were almost wiped out.  Unfortunately I think the same is happening with the Pitt Bull.

[Moonshot_1]

Just an observation and opinion. No data to back it up as fact.

Obviously, any dog can bite.
Any dog can be vicious either as a result of being trained that way or by virtue of it's enviroment.
The problem with Pit Bulls, at least as it's apparent to me, is that these dogs will maul. And when we hear about people getting attacked and mauled (significantly different than just getting bit) the breed of dog involved is, by a disporportionate margin, the Pit Bull.

[The Anvil]

Just an observation and opinion. No data to back it up as fact.

Obviously, any dog can bite.
Any dog can be vicious either as a result of being trained that way or by virtue of it's enviroment.
The problem with Pit Bulls, at least as it's apparent to me, is that these dogs will maul. And when we hear about people getting attacked and mauled (significantly different than just getting bit) the breed of dog involved is, by a disporportionate margin, the Pit Bull.

I'm glad you mentioned it. I meant to point it out before but a bite is a warning. Under times of extreme stress even the best of dogs have been known to snap. But there's a big difference between that and a mauling. Another problem with pits is that they typically give no warning. No barking, no bared teeth. Just an attack.

[BigAl]

That little fellow with no ears for the rest of his life does not understand why.

He will pay for someone elses mistake and love for a breed of dog they think they can make doscile.

It will never happen.

The breed is made for something else besides a pet.

There are other breeds almost as bad.

It is fine in my book to own one.

But if it is not kept with pure diligence in mind of what can happen if turned loose, then the owner should at the very least

be prosecuted every time for manslaughter, with minimum sentence of 5 yrs.


No parole.


This should be enforced just like DUI is by Mothers Against Drunk Drivers, offend and go to jail .

No doubt about it.

THere have been several cases prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

Owners beware the grace period is over and you will pay for it.

Sad part is the rest of us will too, just becasue some people choose to own these dangerous animals.

[Rocketman]

Just an observation and opinion. No data to back it up as fact.

Obviously, any dog can bite.
Any dog can be vicious either as a result of being trained that way or by virtue of it's enviroment.
The problem with Pit Bulls, at least as it's apparent to me, is that these dogs will maul. And when we hear about people getting attacked and mauled (significantly different than just getting bit) the breed of dog involved is, by a disporportionate margin, the Pit Bull.

You should have emphasized the part about "when we hear about".  The news reports will focus on popular topics.  Every Pit Bull attack will become big news, whereas another breed's attack is not covered as widely, or not reported regarding the breed, or both.

[The Anvil]

Just an observation and opinion. No data to back it up as fact.

Obviously, any dog can bite.
Any dog can be vicious either as a result of being trained that way or by virtue of it's enviroment.
The problem with Pit Bulls, at least as it's apparent to me, is that these dogs will maul. And when we hear about people getting attacked and mauled (significantly different than just getting bit) the breed of dog involved is, by a disporportionate margin, the Pit Bull.

You should have emphasized the part about "when we hear about".  The news reports will focus on popular topics.  Every Pit Bull attack will become big news, whereas another breed's attack is not covered as widely, or not reported regarding the breed, or both.

No, a serious dog mauling makes the news around here, regardless of the breed.

But again, I've seen them come through first hand. Pits are a problem breed. It's just a fact.

[98valk]

That little fellow with no ears for the rest of his life does not understand why.

He will pay for someone elses mistake and love for a breed of dog they think they can make doscile.

It will never happen.

The breed is made for something else besides a pet.

There are other breeds almost as bad.

It is fine in my book to own one.

But if it is not kept with pure diligence in mind of what can happen if turned loose, then the owner should at the very least

be prosecuted every time for manslaughter, with minimum sentence of 5 yrs.


No parole.


This should be enforced just like DUI is by Mothers Against Drunk Drivers, offend and go to jail .

No doubt about it.

THere have been several cases prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

Owners beware the grace period is over and you will pay for it.

Sad part is the rest of us will too, just becasue some people choose to own these dangerous animals.

the owners make/let them to be dangerous. in the '70s it was the german shepards in the '80s it was the dobermans. the gun in the right hands is not dangerous. Oprah's fork is not what makes her overweight.

A PURE breed pitbull terrier was never bred to attack humans, only other animals, in fact if u read about pit fighting when it started in the late 1800s the dogs where bred not to attack or snap at the handlers while they were being pull apart from the other dog in the middle of a fight, this trait is still in the pure breeds. if the dog did most of the time the dog was put down or was never mated.
 The only dog ever bred to actually hunt down a man is the Bull Mastiff.

[Rocketman]

Just an observation and opinion. No data to back it up as fact.

Obviously, any dog can bite.
Any dog can be vicious either as a result of being trained that way or by virtue of it's enviroment.
The problem with Pit Bulls, at least as it's apparent to me, is that these dogs will maul. And when we hear about people getting attacked and mauled (significantly different than just getting bit) the breed of dog involved is, by a disporportionate margin, the Pit Bull.

You should have emphasized the part about "when we hear about".  The news reports will focus on popular topics.  Every Pit Bull attack will become big news, whereas another breed's attack is not covered as widely, or not reported regarding the breed, or both.

No, a serious dog mauling makes the news around here, regardless of the breed.

But again, I've seen them come through first hand. Pits are a problem breed. It's just a fact.

Serious attacks are reported, but it's the way they're reported.  A minor attack by a Pit is reported, as such.  A major attack by another breed is reported as simply a dog attack, and the accompanying (stock) photos are sometimes of a Pit, even though the attacking dog was a [fill in the blank].
I don't know enough of the stats, but I know how the press works to report things.  Pit attacks sell papers. 

[The Anvil]

Pit attacks sell papers. 

Lots of things sell papers. It doesn't mean that it's not a problem.

[The Anvil]

A PURE breed pitbull terrier was never bred to attack humans, only other animals, in fact if u read about pit fighting when it started in the late 1800s the dogs where bred not to attack or snap at the handlers while they were being pull apart from the other dog in the middle of a fight, this trait is still in the pure breeds. if the dog did most of the time the dog was put down or was never mated.

None of that means anything. Actually, the fact that they attack children so frequently is believed to be due because they mistake them for smaller animals. But the reason is irrelevant. the result is what's important. I don't really care why they do it.

And yet, they still attack adults as well as children (including their owners) with regularity.

[Rocketman]

Pit attacks sell papers.  

Lots of things sell papers. It doesn't mean that it's not a problem.

But basing a frequency analysis on news reports is flawed at best.

PS:  This topic reminds me of the hydrolock topic.  Reporting bias giving it more of an apparent criticality than it truly is.  Same principle applies.  Take the reports with a grain of salt.  Take an attack or a hydrolock seriously.

[RoadKill]

I knew I had seen you all some where before    Damn pitbulls are made of wood!!

                             http://youtu.be/GpMjakNhZTc

[The Anvil]

Pit attacks sell papers.  

Lots of things sell papers. It doesn't mean that it's not a problem.

But basing a frequency analysis on news reports is flawed at best.

PS:  This topic reminds me of the hydrolock topic.  Reporting bias giving it more of an apparent criticality than it truly is.  Same principle applies.  Take the reports with a grain of salt.  Take an attack or a hydrolock seriously.

Fair enough. But I'm not personally basing it on what I read alone.. I've been up close and personal with this kind of thing.

[sheets]

Yrmv...

http://www.times-standard.com/localnews/ci_18644257

[Jess Tolbirt]

just happened today
http://www.wsmv.com/video?clipId=6154599&autostart=true
this one was a mix and I dont know what the boy did to the dog to provoke him, but it doesnt matter, this was a family pet...

[98valk]

just happened today
http://www.wsmv.com/video?clipId=6154599&autostart=true
this one was a mix and I dont know what the boy did to the dog to provoke him, but it doesnt matter, this was a family pet...

neighbors dog.  the dog was protecting its property, Dogs do that and always have!
 the kids parents and the owner of the dog are at fault, not the dog or the breed it is. the video shows the dog is not being aggressive to the animal control officer a stranger or the camera person.
this type of kid attack by a dog has been going on for decades, when I grew up it was from mutts and german shepherds.

[Smokinjoe-VRCCDS#0005]

just happened today
http://www.wsmv.com/video?clipId=6154599&autostart=true
this one was a mix and I dont know what the boy did to the dog to provoke him, but it doesnt matter, this was a family pet...

neighbors dog.  the dog was protecting its property, Dogs do that and always have!
 the kids parents and the owner of the dog are at fault, not the dog or the breed it is. the video shows the dog is not being aggressive to the animal control officer a stranger or the camera person.
this type of kid attack by a dog has been going on for decades, when I grew up it was from mutts and german shepherds.

Everybody reading this knows for a fact if this was your child you would be singing a different tune....Well maybe not you would blame the child like you did above...Sad     When a kid can't play in his own neighborhood because some dog will maul or kill him that dog needs to go no matter what breed it is.

[98valk]

just happened today
http://www.wsmv.com/video?clipId=6154599&autostart=true
this one was a mix and I dont know what the boy did to the dog to provoke him, but it doesnt matter, this was a family pet...

neighbors dog.  the dog was protecting its property, Dogs do that and always have!
 the kids parents and the owner of the dog are at fault, not the dog or the breed it is. the video shows the dog is not being aggressive to the animal control officer a stranger or the camera person.
this type of kid attack by a dog has been going on for decades, when I grew up it was from mutts and german shepherds.

Everybody reading this knows for a fact if this was your child you would be singing a different tune....Well maybe not you would blame the child like you did above...Sad     When a kid can't play in his own neighborhood because some dog will maul or kill him that dog needs to go no matter what breed it is.

This is why I am considering leaving the board. I NEVER WROTE IT WAS THE CHILD'S FAULT OR BLAMED THE CHILD!!.  re-read my post!!
according to u all dogs should be banned and nobody should have a dog, Because ALL DOGS can or will bite. Talk to any dog trainer worth their weight and they will tell u that.
According to your logic a parent should hate all cars and want them all banned cause their child was killed or injured by one. Oh wait!, there are people out there like that called "environmentalists"
Or just insert "gun" for "car" and u are no better than the anti-gunners.

[Jess Tolbirt]

This is why I am considering leaving the board. I NEVER WROTE IT WAS THE CHILD'S FAULT OR BLAMED THE CHILD!!.  re-read my post!!
according to u all dogs should be banned and nobody should have a dog, Because ALL DOGS can or will bite. Talk to any dog trainer worth their weight and they will tell u that.
According to your logic a parent should hate all cars and want them all banned cause their child was killed or injured by one. Oh wait!, there are people out there like that called "environmentalists"
Or just insert "gun" for "car" and u are no better than the anti-gunners.

you gonna leave the board because we have opinions? I fought for the right so all i got to say SEE YA!!!!!!

[Smokinjoe-VRCCDS#0005]

just happened today
http://www.wsmv.com/video?clipId=6154599&autostart=true
this one was a mix and I dont know what the boy did to the dog to provoke him, but it doesnt matter, this was a family pet...

neighbors dog.  the dog was protecting its property, Dogs do that and always have!
 the kids parents and the owner of the dog are at fault, not the dog or the breed it is. the video shows the dog is not being aggressive to the animal control officer a stranger or the camera person.
this type of kid attack by a dog has been going on for decades, when I grew up it was from mutts and german shepherds.

Everybody reading this knows for a fact if this was your child you would be singing a different tune....Well maybe not you would blame the child like you did above...Sad     When a kid can't play in his own neighborhood because some dog will maul or kill him that dog needs to go no matter what breed it is.

This is why I am considering leaving the board.

This ain't my house if it was now is when I would tell you that thing about the door.

[The Anvil]

just happened today
http://www.wsmv.com/video?clipId=6154599&autostart=true
this one was a mix and I dont know what the boy did to the dog to provoke him, but it doesnt matter, this was a family pet...

neighbors dog.  the dog was protecting its property, Dogs do that and always have!
 the kids parents and the owner of the dog are at fault, not the dog or the breed it is. the video shows the dog is not being aggressive to the animal control officer a stranger or the camera person.
this type of kid attack by a dog has been going on for decades, when I grew up it was from mutts and german shepherds.

I won't go quite so far as to say you're blaming the victim but you're missing a key piece of evidence: your point about the dog not showing aggression toward it's handler or the cameraman serves to perfectly illustrate the Pitbull's unpredictability and fondness for attacking children unprovoked. It IS a problem with this breed of dog.

[98valk]

just happened today
http://www.wsmv.com/video?clipId=6154599&autostart=true
this one was a mix and I dont know what the boy did to the dog to provoke him, but it doesnt matter, this was a family pet...

neighbors dog.  the dog was protecting its property, Dogs do that and always have!
 the kids parents and the owner of the dog are at fault, not the dog or the breed it is. the video shows the dog is not being aggressive to the animal control officer a stranger or the camera person.
this type of kid attack by a dog has been going on for decades, when I grew up it was from mutts and german shepherds.

I won't go quite so far as to say you're blaming the victim but you're missing a key piece of evidence: your point about the dog not showing aggression toward it's handler or the cameraman serves to perfectly illustrate the Pitbull's unpredictability and fondness for attacking children unprovoked. It IS a problem with this breed of dog.

AGAIN YOUR IGNORANCE SHOWS, IT IS NOT A PITBULL, IT IS A MUTT. IF THE DOG IS NOT A PURE BRED IT IS A MUTT.

[98valk]

This is why I am considering leaving the board. I NEVER WROTE IT WAS THE CHILD'S FAULT OR BLAMED THE CHILD!!.  re-read my post!!
according to u all dogs should be banned and nobody should have a dog, Because ALL DOGS can or will bite. Talk to any dog trainer worth their weight and they will tell u that.
According to your logic a parent should hate all cars and want them all banned cause their child was killed or injured by one. Oh wait!, there are people out there like that called "environmentalists"
Or just insert "gun" for "car" and u are no better than the anti-gunners.

you gonna leave the board because we have opinions? I fought for the right so all i got to say SEE YA!!!!!!

not because of somebodies opinions, but because of people's opinions based on pure emotion and not factual information, and because people can't read others post and then add or subtract words and change the discussion and cause an argument. it is done on the general and tech boards, not only to me but also to others.
notice SJ did not retract his accusation to me and admit to his mistake, only said don't let the door hit me.  

[The Anvil]

just happened today
http://www.wsmv.com/video?clipId=6154599&autostart=true
this one was a mix and I dont know what the boy did to the dog to provoke him, but it doesnt matter, this was a family pet...

neighbors dog.  the dog was protecting its property, Dogs do that and always have!
 the kids parents and the owner of the dog are at fault, not the dog or the breed it is. the video shows the dog is not being aggressive to the animal control officer a stranger or the camera person.
this type of kid attack by a dog has been going on for decades, when I grew up it was from mutts and german shepherds.

I won't go quite so far as to say you're blaming the victim but you're missing a key piece of evidence: your point about the dog not showing aggression toward it's handler or the cameraman serves to perfectly illustrate the Pitbull's unpredictability and fondness for attacking children unprovoked. It IS a problem with this breed of dog.

AGAIN YOUR IGNORANCE SHOWS, IT IS NOT A PITBULL, IT IS A MUTT. IF THE DOG IS NOT A PURE BRED IT IS A MUTT.

I never said it was a purebred. Does an animal have to be 100% purebred to show tendencies of one or more of it's included breeds? No it does not. And  there's no need to shout.

BTW, does that dog look like a Pitbull/St. Bernard to anyone?

[RoadKill]

just happened today
http://www.wsmv.com/video?clipId=6154599&autostart=true
this one was a mix and I dont know what the boy did to the dog to provoke him, but it doesnt matter, this was a family pet...

neighbors dog.  the dog was protecting its property, Dogs do that and always have!
 the kids parents and the owner of the dog are at fault, not the dog or the breed it is. the video shows the dog is not being aggressive to the animal control officer a stranger or the camera person.
this type of kid attack by a dog has been going on for decades, when I grew up it was from mutts and german shepherds.

I won't go quite so far as to say you're blaming the victim but you're missing a key piece of evidence: your point about the dog not showing aggression toward it's handler or the cameraman serves to perfectly illustrate the Pitbull's unpredictability and fondness for attacking children unprovoked. It IS a problem with this breed of dog.

AGAIN YOUR IGNORANCE SHOWS, IT IS NOT A PITBULL, IT IS A MUTT. IF THE DOG IS NOT A PURE BRED IT IS A MUTT.

I never said it was a purebred. Does an animal have to be 100% purebred to show tendencies of one or more of it's included breeds? No it does not. And  there's no need to shout.

BTW, does that dog look like a Pitbull/St. Bernard to anyone?

But,does this "mutt" weigh more than a duck ?  Maybe it's a WITCH ! !

[The Anvil]

just happened today
http://www.wsmv.com/video?clipId=6154599&autostart=true
this one was a mix and I dont know what the boy did to the dog to provoke him, but it doesnt matter, this was a family pet...

neighbors dog.  the dog was protecting its property, Dogs do that and always have!
 the kids parents and the owner of the dog are at fault, not the dog or the breed it is. the video shows the dog is not being aggressive to the animal control officer a stranger or the camera person.
this type of kid attack by a dog has been going on for decades, when I grew up it was from mutts and german shepherds.

I won't go quite so far as to say you're blaming the victim but you're missing a key piece of evidence: your point about the dog not showing aggression toward it's handler or the cameraman serves to perfectly illustrate the Pitbull's unpredictability and fondness for attacking children unprovoked. It IS a problem with this breed of dog.

AGAIN YOUR IGNORANCE SHOWS, IT IS NOT A PITBULL, IT IS A MUTT. IF THE DOG IS NOT A PURE BRED IT IS A MUTT.

I never said it was a purebred. Does an animal have to be 100% purebred to show tendencies of one or more of it's included breeds? No it does not. And  there's no need to shout.

BTW, does that dog look like a Pitbull/St. Bernard to anyone?

But,does this "mutt" weigh more than a duck ?  Maybe it's a WITCH ! !

Don't be silly. It bit the boy, it didn't turn him into a newt.

[RoadKill]

But,does this "mutt" weigh more than a duck ?  Maybe it's a WITCH ! !

Don't be silly. It bit the boy, it didn't turn him into a newt.

If he was a newt when the mauling occurred and the spell wore off,then there could be more than one witch involved...BURN THEM ALL they are furry witches ! !  Be careful. These pitbull witches often disguise themselves as German short hair pointers and miniature poodles !   BURN THEM ! !

[98valk]

just happened today
http://www.wsmv.com/video?clipId=6154599&autostart=true
this one was a mix and I dont know what the boy did to the dog to provoke him, but it doesnt matter, this was a family pet...

neighbors dog.  the dog was protecting its property, Dogs do that and always have!
 the kids parents and the owner of the dog are at fault, not the dog or the breed it is. the video shows the dog is not being aggressive to the animal control officer a stranger or the camera person.
this type of kid attack by a dog has been going on for decades, when I grew up it was from mutts and german shepherds.

I won't go quite so far as to say you're blaming the victim but you're missing a key piece of evidence: your point about the dog not showing aggression toward it's handler or the cameraman serves to perfectly illustrate the Pitbull's unpredictability and fondness for attacking children unprovoked. It IS a problem with this breed of dog.

AGAIN YOUR IGNORANCE SHOWS, IT IS NOT A PITBULL, IT IS A MUTT. IF THE DOG IS NOT A PURE BRED IT IS A MUTT.

I never said it was a purebred. Does an animal have to be 100% purebred to show tendencies of one or more of it's included breeds? No it does not. And  there's no need to shout.

BTW, does that dog look like a Pitbull/St. Bernard to anyone?

yes u are, by only using the word "pitbull". why not use the word "st. bernard"? two different breeds together and its a mutt, not a pitbull or st. bernard.
if u think the tendencies of a pitbull is to attack/bite humans then u know nothing about dogs. ALL dogs can or will bite!! if u were abused, tortured, trained and forced to fight like these dogs that u see u would bite also. u really should see the documentry on vick's pure breed dogs, if u want to be educated.

[The Anvil]

Yeah I've learned nothing in my over 20 years of working for the MSPCA as everything from a kennel mucker to an adoption counselor. You get nothing but the best at those places. Nor have I learned anything from the dozens of abused foster dogs I've had come through my home over the years. They taught me nothing. 

[The Anvil]

But,does this "mutt" weigh more than a duck ?  Maybe it's a WITCH ! !

Don't be silly. It bit the boy, it didn't turn him into a newt.

If he was a newt when the mauling occurred and the spell wore off,then there could be more than one witch involved...BURN THEM ALL they are furry witches ! !  Be careful. These pitbull witches often disguise themselves as German short hair pointers and miniature poodles !   BURN THEM ! !

Spells don't wear off. You "get betta".

[DIGGER]

I just love it when ANY dog owner says "MY DOG WOULD NEVER BITE ANYBODY."      Bullpoop.   any dong can have a bad day......a tooth ache......a headache.......and if you think pitbulls aint any more likely to attack a human than any other dog then why when about once a week you hear in the news about a dog attack it is nearly ALWAYS a pitbull.