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Missouri ccw is put on our drivers license.
i've heard that Utah has a separate card.
my local shooting range offers the Florida permit. i assume it's a separate card also.
which is better? and why?
Mo is accepted by all but 11 states(mostly east coast) and of course Ill.
thanks.
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« Reply #1 on: November 02, 2011, 07:24:30 PM » |
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Tennessee separate card, BUT it has the same number as your drivers license.
I prefer separate so that a traffic stop does necessarily reveal CCW in other states.
It may in Tennessee for Tennessee drivers.
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« Reply #2 on: November 02, 2011, 07:26:20 PM » |
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Here in NH there's absolutely no relationship between the DMV and CCW permitting so they're separate. But if you're carrying you really should declare so to the officer conducting the stop.
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« Reply #3 on: November 02, 2011, 08:05:43 PM » |
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I've heard if you get the NH permit you can carry in all the lower 48. I was going to apply when the fee was just $20 but got side tracked and it was $100 last year.
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« Reply #4 on: November 02, 2011, 08:16:03 PM » |
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I've heard if you get the NH permit you can carry in all the lower 48. I was going to apply when the fee was just $20 but got side tracked and it was $100 last year.
Definitely incorrect, I wish it was! Here's a good "Here's what I've got, where can I carry" tool: https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/travel/ |
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« Reply #5 on: November 02, 2011, 08:21:57 PM » |
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SugarB, if MO is good in all but 11 States, why would you need another?
Unless you need coverage in a particular State(s) not covered by your MO permit.
VA has a separate card from the Dr. license, but when your license is run in the police computer, a blinking red light tells them you have a permit (and brother you better have told them about it the first time they came to the car or they will read you the riot act). In TX and other States, you are required to disclose the permit and pistol at first meeting.... not in VA, but the police have made it clear they expect you to do the same. Now out of state, I may not disclose (if the pistol is in the car or bike but not on my person).
I know it's legal, but I am confounded how FL or any other state should be able to to provide a permanent non-resident who never lives there a concealed permit in some other State.
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« Reply #6 on: November 02, 2011, 08:27:56 PM » |
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I've heard if you get the NH permit you can carry in all the lower 48. I was going to apply when the fee was just $20 but got side tracked and it was $100 last year.
Unfortunately as Serk said it's not true. But NH does follow reciprocity guidelines with other "shall issue" states. You know what's messed up? Texas recognizes MA class a carry permit but not NH CCW. |
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« Reply #7 on: November 02, 2011, 08:31:58 PM » |
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I've heard if you get the NH permit you can carry in all the lower 48. I was going to apply when the fee was just $20 but got side tracked and it was $100 last year.
Definitely incorrect, I wish it was! Here's a good "Here's what I've got, where can I carry" tool: https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/travel/Thanks for the site. It had to change because several of my buddies sent their $20 and got the permit! |
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« Reply #9 on: November 02, 2011, 08:42:21 PM » |
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Mo is accepted by all but 11 states(mostly east coast) and of course Ill.
thanks.
Not sure but I think California says NO to all, I hate this states gun laws. I really hate it when I travel and run across a really good can't pass up kind of deal on a gun and they won't sell it to me when they see my Drivers license,,,, really sucks here being a gun oner. |
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« Reply #10 on: November 02, 2011, 08:45:56 PM » |
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I've heard if you get the NH permit you can carry in all the lower 48. I was going to apply when the fee was just $20 but got side tracked and it was $100 last year.
Definitely incorrect, I wish it was! Here's a good "Here's what I've got, where can I carry" tool: https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/travel/Serk you boys in Texas got it made. You are good for most all the states except a tiny few. Now you can come to SC and carry through Ms, Al, and Ga where I can't. That's crazy! |
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« Reply #11 on: November 02, 2011, 08:53:12 PM » |
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Mo is accepted by all but 11 states(mostly east coast) and of course Ill.
thanks.
Not sure but I think California says NO to all, I hate this states gun laws. I really hate it when I travel and run across a really good can't pass up kind of deal on a gun and they won't sell it to me when they see my Drivers license,,,, really sucks here being a gun oner. Fordmano after checking the site that Serk sent, it looks like the east coast don't trust the west coast too much!!  |
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« Reply #12 on: November 02, 2011, 09:08:07 PM » |
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It's entertaining that the reciprocity map looks amazingly similar a blue and red voting map.
Edit: except the colors are reversed.
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« Reply #14 on: November 03, 2011, 04:25:15 AM » |
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Indiana honors ALL other states carry permits. The reverse is NOT true. Ya'll are welcome here with your hardware anytime.  Jabba |
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« Reply #15 on: November 03, 2011, 04:41:01 AM » |
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Our LTCH is separate. Small pc of pink paper. My Utah non resident is really neat. Its like a drivers lisc. Like Jabba said, Ind honors everyone but not everyone honors Ind. Has to do with having no firearm training to get your Ind. I got my Utah NR so I can carry into a few extra States. Ohio & NE were the 2 I needed the most. If I would have got my FL, it would have gave me KS to carry into.
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Our LTCH is separate. Small pc of pink paper. My Utah non resident is really neat. Its like a drivers lisc. Like Jabba said, Ind honors everyone but not everyone honors Ind. Has to do with having no firearm training to get your Ind. I got my Utah NR so I can carry into a few extra States. Ohio & NE were the 2 I needed the most. If I would have got my FL, it would have gave me KS to carry into.
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« Reply #17 on: November 03, 2011, 05:16:06 AM » |
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The conflict in the reciprocity situation reflects the requirements of each state for getting your CHL. For example, someone wrote that you just send in your money and they mail you a license! Holly Crap! Texas, on the other hand, does a complete background check, finger printing and several hours of classroom work followed by a written AND firearms competancy test. And if you are pulled over in Texas by a law enforcement officer you are REQUIRED to tell the officer that you hold a CHL. Actually, this is a good thing. First of all, it tells him you're one of the 'good guys' (remember the background check). And, unless the reason he pulled you over was because you did something REALLY stupid, you'll probably just get a warning and let you slide . . I know this from personal experience. So. Bottom line. If your traveling, check the reciprocity map for the state where you received your CHL, check out the states you're traveling thru then go for it!  . . here's a good place to start http://www.handgunlaw.us/ |
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« Reply #18 on: November 03, 2011, 05:39:42 AM » |
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VA has a separate card from the Dr. license, but when your license is run in the police computer, a blinking red light tells them you have a permit (and brother you better have told them about it the first time they came to the car or they will read you the riot act).
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« Reply #19 on: November 03, 2011, 06:03:21 AM » |
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For me, it makes it nice to have the Law Enforcement Officer's Safety Act which allows for concealed carry (with very few restrictions) in all 50 States by qualified law enforcement - so no headaches.
In a perfect world the Feds would have something like this for others, kind of like a "super-CC" permit in which in exchange for a permit that is good in all 50 States, the permit holder must pass very stringent background checks, that they renew it every year with the same stringent checks, and must qualify with the weapon on an annual basis. But, I wouldn't hold my breath.
Funny thing though... while I can, I don't ever carry off duty. I find it to be a giant pain in the ass.
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« Reply #20 on: November 03, 2011, 06:20:05 AM » |
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Ours are seprate and looks just indentical our drivers license except it has the CWP # which has all the info, fingerprints, training, etc. Fudgie a few years back a lot of us (except me) would get our NR permit from NH for $20 and all we would do is make a copy of our CWP and bingo. Now I understand they've stopped that. Fudgie is Utah the place to get mine now? I can carry in NC, TN amd more. What gets me is that GA doesn't recognize SC and it bugs me bc Fl does recognize and I travel there often.  |
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« Reply #21 on: November 03, 2011, 09:49:59 AM » |
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For me, it makes it nice to have the Law Enforcement Officer's Safety Act which allows for concealed carry (with very few restrictions) in all 50 States by qualified law enforcement - so no headaches.
In a perfect world the Feds would have something like this for others, kind of like a "super-CC" permit in which in exchange for a permit that is good in all 50 States, the permit holder must pass very stringent background checks, that they renew it every year with the same stringent checks, and must qualify with the weapon on an annual basis. But, I wouldn't hold my breath.
Funny thing though... while I can, I don't ever carry off duty. I find it to be a giant pain in the ass.
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« Reply #22 on: November 03, 2011, 12:17:45 PM » |
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Thanks Serk. I'm liking my TN reciprocity coverage. Looks like it's even better than TX.  Here in TN it's a separate card but if the Leo runs your licence he/she knows you have a CCW so it's best to fess up right off anyway. |
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« Reply #23 on: November 03, 2011, 02:24:45 PM » |
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Fudgie, where/how did you get the Utah NR? Our families still live in Ohio and we're over there at least once a month. Having a Utah NR that is honored by Ohio would be very beneficial for me.
Got it up at Gander Mnt. I think it was $150 for a 4 hour class. Then its like another $20 and he will give you finger print cards and take your picture-it goes on your new permit. For another $20 he will give you Florida. Go up to the counter and ask to sign up for the Utah class. Its usually a 2-3 month wait. You need $50 down to hold your spot. Kits thinking about doing it to. Right now we are looking at personal defense class and thats a chunk for both of us. You can open carry legally in Ohio, but vehicle carry is another ball of wax. |
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Fudgie is Utah the place to get mine now? I can carry in NC, TN amd more. What gets me is that GA doesn't recognize SC and it bugs me bc Fl does recognize and I travel there often. Yes, Utah Non resident is accepted by Georgia. Check your local gun stores, Gander Mnt, Cabellas, etc for classes. |
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Fudgie, where/how did you get the Utah NR? Our families still live in Ohio and we're over there at least once a month. Having a Utah NR that is honored by Ohio would be very beneficial for me.
Got it up at Gander Mnt. I think it was $150 for a 4 hour class. Then its like another $20 and he will give you finger print cards and take your picture-it goes on your new permit. For another $20 he will give you Florida. Go up to the counter and ask to sign up for the Utah class. Its usually a 2-3 month wait. You need $50 down to hold your spot. Kits thinking about doing it to. Right now we are looking at personal defense class and thats a chunk for both of us. You can open carry legally in Ohio, but vehicle carry is another ball of wax. Oh I forgot to say, that its a 5 yr permit. They send you a notice before you expire to renew. Its like $5 to renew it. I 'think' it can be renewed if you are expired to a certain point. |
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« Reply #26 on: November 03, 2011, 03:17:46 PM » |
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In Louisiana you need nothing to carry in the vehicle, its considered an extension of your home. Also lethal force is perfectly legit to protect your home.
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« Reply #27 on: November 03, 2011, 03:21:11 PM » |
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You can get your CCW as a separate license in MO. I have mine separate. The main reason I did it is because I don't want cashiers (or anyone that I might show my DL to) to know that I might be carrying.
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For me, it makes it nice to have the Law Enforcement Officer's Safety Act which allows for concealed carry (with very few restrictions) in all 50 States by qualified law enforcement - so no headaches.
In a perfect world the Feds would have something like this for others, kind of like a "super-CC" permit in which in exchange for a permit that is good in all 50 States, the permit holder must pass very stringent background checks, that they renew it every year with the same stringent checks, and must qualify with the weapon on an annual basis. But, I wouldn't hold my breath.
Funny thing though... while I can, I don't ever carry off duty. I find it to be a giant pain in the ass.
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No permit required for concealed carry in AZ. They elected to take the 2nd amendment literally.
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I'll tell you what's messed up: try geting a concealed carry permit in the peoples republic of Maryland! here is a requirement:
"Provide evidence of recent threats and/or assaults. This information is mandatory for personal use permits and must be supported by police reports and/or notarized statements."
This in a state that ranks in the top 10 in violent crime.
Thereis serious gang related crime, and serious crime in general in the state and county I live in, but because I haven't actually been personally assaulted or murdered, No License For Me!
If I had some free time on my hands and a fortune to throw away it would be fun to take them to court- hell they had to open a gun store in DC- but not sure if DC issues any/many permits either.
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I'll tell you what's messed up: try geting a concealed carry permit in the peoples republic of Maryland! here is a requirement:
"Provide evidence of recent threats and/or assaults. This information is mandatory for personal use permits and must be supported by police reports and/or notarized statements."
This in a state that ranks in the top 10 in violent crime.
Thereis serious gang related crime, and serious crime in general in the state and county I live in, but because I haven't actually been personally assaulted or murdered, No License For Me!
If I had some free time on my hands and a fortune to throw away it would be fun to take them to court- hell they had to open a gun store in DC- but not sure if DC issues any/many permits either.
So you got to prove a threat or assault? Be kinda hard to do if you're dead!  :roll:Ranking in the top ten I think they need to do a reversal and make it very easy to get a permit. These scum bags would think more than once about assaulting somebody if they think they just might get their head blowed off!!  |
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Kansas honors states that require background check, training and skill qualifying and to my best knowledge does not honor states that do not. Not a geat idea imho, but better than nothing. Separate id card is optional. DL will indicate when run, so disclosure with out being asked is optional. Open carry is allowed, but I wouldn't do it. Hoser  |
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« Reply #34 on: November 03, 2011, 06:57:48 PM » |
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Kansas honors states that require background check, training and skill qualifying and to my best knowledge does not honor states that do not. Not a geat idea imho, but better than nothing. Separate id card is optional. DL will indicate when run, so disclosure with out being asked is optional. Open carry is allowed, but I wouldn't do it. Hoser Will they issue to a non resident? I have my CWP and went through all you said above. |
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« Reply #37 on: November 03, 2011, 08:47:53 PM » |
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I'll tell you what's messed up: try geting a concealed carry permit in the peoples republic of Maryland! here is a requirement:
"Provide evidence of recent threats and/or assaults. This information is mandatory for personal use permits and must be supported by police reports and/or notarized statements."
This in a state that ranks in the top 10 in violent crime.
There is serious gang related crime, and serious crime in general in the state and county I live in, but because I haven't actually been personally assaulted or murdered, No License For Me!
If I had some free time on my hands and a fortune to throw away it would be fun to take them to court- hell they had to open a gun store in DC- but not sure if DC issues any/many permits either.
On the light side: ..... I'm sure we can work out a deal for some fellow VRCCers come over and beat you up a little (just enough for a short ER visit, for proof of assault), enough times so maybe you could qualify for a permit. Seriously: Mark, I just live over in Alexandria VA, and we are well aware of the crime levels over the Potomac Bridge, and you know very little of it travels over here because of police, prosecution, hard jail time, and an armed citizenry. It's not like we are crime free, but much better than you are, 10-20 miles away. In my 20 years in VA, I have met many former Marylanders and crime was the reason (not that I would wish this side of the Bridge on anyone either, except gun rights). I used to ride over there all the time down to Soloman's Island but haven't visited in years because then I have to take the J-frame out of my saddlebags (or not). It is like I said, a map of CCW reciprocity looks like a red/blue national voting map. Every State that is not on board with Right-To-Carry has a solid voting population majority of city/urban dwellers who want socialism, and they vote Dem, and the Dem political leadership wants you to be wholly dependent on the government, not on yourself. And truth be told the Dems have always been afraid to allow their own urban black/minority citizens the right to carry (or even own) guns (especially DC), so prohibit or severely limit carry by everyone Statewide. And like all the other States that prohibit carry, they have many good conservative outlying counties, but will forever be outvoted by the city dwellers in the State legislature. And the irony is, it is the good, honest, hard working city/urban dwellers who probably need the right-to-carry a firearm more than the rest of us do in their daily lives. And allowing city/urban dwellers (who can qualify) to carry firearms may be the only way urban crime could ever be significantly reduced, the cops on limited budgets cannot do it. But they will never change their votes.... so it goes. And besides guns are just bad and scary. |
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« Reply #38 on: November 03, 2011, 08:59:46 PM » |
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F6Mark, you need to move to Vermont. I just found that you don't even need a permit and can open carry in some counties
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Jess Tolbirt
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« Reply #39 on: November 04, 2011, 06:15:41 AM » |
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All this seems a little trivial to me.
I have a TN HCP..
I just looked up the states i can carry in and there is only a handfull i cant carry in and they are: MA, RI, CT, NJ, MD, DC, WA, OR, CA, and HI..
these i will probably never visit any way,,
any way i was just wondering, why does every one want a UT license?
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