Obama ignoring court order

[98valk]

http://www.whitehousedossier.com/2012/01/25/obama-ignore-order-atlanta-court/

President Obama will ignore an order by an Atlanta judge to appear in court Thursday for a hearing in a case challenging his qualifications under the Constitution to be president.

The case centers on whether Obama, whose father was Kenyan, qualifies as a “natural born citizen,” as required of a president under the Constitution. Some contend that “natural born citizen” means both of a presidential candidate’s parents must be U.S. citizens.

[x]

As he rightly ought to with this 'birther' stupidity.  I sure as hell wouldn't appear for these yahoos... why should the President of the United States.

Fruitcake City, CA... and you buy this crap hook, line, and sinker.

[Robert]

If it were you or me we would have to appear or send a representative. Obama has plenty of resources at his disposal and regardless how you feel about the issue of his birth he is ignoring a court order. This is a nice example to set. Just shows more and more if you have money and power you are above the law.

[Jess from VA]

The 'king" can ignore court orders.  It's good to be king.

[RainMaker]

It would set a bad precedent to have a sitting President appear in court for such an obviously political issue. 

[98valk]

As he rightly ought to with this 'birther' stupidity.  I sure as hell wouldn't appear for these yahoos... why should the President of the United States.

Fruitcake City, CA... and you buy this crap hook, line, and sinker.

I don't usually respond to such a childless response, and by calling me a fruitcake I do not know why Willow has not pulled your post. mine and others have been pulled for less.
anyway by your response it is clear u do not know history and what the constitution and other laws actually say. This includes most of our politicians who also were taught by the same govt controlled school system.  U condem people about this because U do not know the law or the facts. u just follow the crowd. sad

http://www.federalistblog.us/2008/11/natural-born_citizen_defined/

obama's father was not an amercian citizen he was a british citizen
"When a child inherits the citizenship of their father, they become a natural-born citizen of the nation their father belongs regardless of where they might be born. It should be pointed out that citizenship through descent of the father was recognized by U.S. Naturalization law whereby children became citizens themselves as soon as their father had become a naturalized citizen, or were born in another country to a citizen father."
"In regards to questions about the citizenship of the mother: Mothers citizenship rarely ever influenced the citizenship of their children except in certain situations such as the father dying before the child was born or when the identity of the father was unknown."

Obama fails number 3 below.

"From reading all the material on the subject of natural born citizens I can’t help but conclude the following:

1) Citizens of united states was never properly defined by the framers mainly because only state law could define whom were born a citizen of the state which in return automatically made them a citizen of the united states under article 4.

2) Congress in 1866 recognized not all states recognized people of color as citizens and set out to define who were citizens of the united states through statute and amendment to the constitution.

3) Congress decided to recognize all persons born or naturalized as citizens of the united states as long as they could not be claimed as subjects of another country.

4) The 14th amendment was clearly designed to recognized only those politically attached to the nation (citizens) and no other.

5) Just as a naturalized citizen cannot be claimed by any other foreign power as their citizens, neither can anyone born.

Obama cannot be a citizen of the united states under the true meaning behind born or naturalized subject to the jurisdiction of the united states. Justice Gray himself confirmed this in Elk v Wilkins writing for the majority in defining subject to the jurisdiction as political attachment and not mere place of birth. This was in perfect agreement with acts of congress of 1866, 1868 and 1874.

This crazy notion that place of birth controls citizenship is so contrary to written law makes you wonder how so many got carried away with such an easily debunked belief"

[PharmBoy]

He hasn't done anything else lawfully.  Why should he start now?  You should know the KING is all powerful...Jim 

[Trynt]

As he rightly ought to with this 'birther' stupidity.  I sure as hell wouldn't appear for these yahoos... why should the President of the United States.

Fruitcake City, CA... and you buy this crap hook, line, and sinker.

Another example of SE's "well reasoned posts".

[PAVALKER]

It would set a bad precedent to have a sitting President appear in court for such an obviously political issue. 

It could set an even worse precedent, and embarrassment for all of us, to have a President sitting in the office for which he was elected, yet not eligible or qualified to fill.          

I'm sure it all depends on the  definition of NBC as to who thinks it right or wrong, legal or illegal.  This issue of citizenship, and natural born, has been raised before but I guess they have yet to clearly define it all these years.

[RainMaker]

It would set a bad precedent to have a sitting President appear in court for such an obviously political issue. 

It could set an even worse precedent, and embarrassment for all of us, to have a President sitting in the office for which he was elected, yet not eligible or qualified to fill.          

I'm sure it all depends on the  definition of NBC as to who thinks it right or wrong, legal or illegal.  This issue of citizenship, and natural born, has been raised before but I guess they have yet to clearly define it all these years.

Title 8 of the US Code states that a child born in the United States or one of it's territories is a US Citizen, with the exception of children born to foreign diplomats or recognized government officials of foreign countries.  Current info says the President was born in Hawaii and unless his father was a diplomat, that makes the President a citizen.

I have plenty of reasons why I didn't vote for him in the last election and plenty of reasons why I won't vote for him in November, but it won't be because of this non-issue.

[PAVALKER]

It would set a bad precedent to have a sitting President appear in court for such an obviously political issue. 

It could set an even worse precedent, and embarrassment for all of us, to have a President sitting in the office for which he was elected, yet not eligible or qualified to fill.          

I'm sure it all depends on the  definition of NBC as to who thinks it right or wrong, legal or illegal.  This issue of citizenship, and natural born, has been raised before but I guess they have yet to clearly define it all these years.

Title 8 of the US Code states that a child born in the United States or one of it's territories is a US Citizen, with the exception of children born to foreign diplomats or recognized government officials of foreign countries.  Current info says the President was born in Hawaii and unless his father was a diplomat, that makes the President a citizen.

I have plenty of reasons why I didn't vote for him in the last election and plenty of reasons why I won't vote for him in November, but it won't be because of this non-issue.

I'm not going to argue IF he is a Natural Born Citizen or not, that is for the lawyers and legal system to define and determine.  And at this point, it would be kinda like closing the hen house door after the fox is already inside.  Definition requirements for a "citizen" is much less or different than that for a Natural Born Citizen, which is a constitutional requirement to be POTUS.  And if you can show me a quote from Title 8 of the US Code, for the definition of  Natural Born Citizen, I could show you at least 12 different people with 12  interpretations.

I also have plenty of reasons why I didn't vote for him, and won't again, but none of them are related to his Citizenship (Natural or otherwise).   I do believe that the POTUS should be held to the same legal standards as those he serves, and if he is ordered to court, then he should take appropriate measures to make sure he is legally represented accordingly.  The problem with most politicians is that they think they are not elected to serve us, but so that we can serve them.

Definitions and Interpretations are quite different from one person to another..... "I did not have sexual relations with that woman".     

[Willow]

It appears to me the real question at hand isn't whether the Georgia suit has merit, but whether it's acceptable for the POTUS to decline the summons of the court.  That seems to be the point of the outrage, doesn't it?

"Executive privilege" has long been accepted.  Sitting presidents have regularly refused summons to courts and committee hearings and this one should do the same.

That's my opinion.    

[junior]

As he rightly ought to with this 'birther' stupidity.  I sure as hell wouldn't appear for these yahoos... why should the President of the United States.

Fruitcake City, CA... and you buy this crap hook, line, and sinker.

now that is a childish personal attack........... just what I would exspect from a CEO of an offshore AMERICAN company should act.................

[Bob E.]

I'm not a lawyer and didn't read the decision but I did stumble upon this reference:

It says that the judge (Malihi) should look to "the Supreme Court of the United States, which strongly implied in Clinton v. Jones that a court cannot “compel the attendance of the President at any specific time or place.” "

[PAVALKER]

It appears to me the real question at hand isn't whether the Georgia suit has merit, but whether it's acceptable for the POTUS to decline the summons of the court.  That seems to be the point of the outrage, doesn't it?

"Executive privilege" has long been accepted.  Sitting presidents have regularly refused summons to courts and committee hearings and this one should do the same.

That's my opinion.    

"Executive Privilege" has long been used as a means of, avoiding, skirting or being held accountable for breaking the law, IMO.   

I'm not a lawyer and didn't read the decision but I did stumble upon this reference:

It says that the judge (Malihi) should look to "the Supreme Court of the United States, which strongly implied in Clinton v. Jones that a court cannot “compel the attendance of the President at any specific time or place.” "

I'll agree with not compelling the attendance of the President at any specific time or place.... as I'm sure this compelling could be used for other reasons as well, and the POTUS has other important issues to tend to of course.... you know, like campaign fund raisers and such.  However, it should not exonerate him or any government official and put them above the law and not held to the same legal standards or accountability.  Rather than a personal appearance, a suitable legal representative could be used in some, if not most, cases to at least give the "appearance" of legal equality.

[x]

As he rightly ought to with this 'birther' stupidity.  I sure as hell wouldn't appear for these yahoos... why should the President of the United States.

Fruitcake City, CA... and you buy this crap hook, line, and sinker.

I don't usually respond to such a childless response, and by calling me a fruitcake I do not know why Willow has not pulled your post. mine and others have been pulled for less.
anyway by your response it is clear u do not know history and what the constitution and other laws actually say. This includes most of our politicians who also were taught by the same govt controlled school system.  U condem people about this because U do not know the law or the facts. u just follow the crowd. sad

http://www.federalistblog.us/2008/11/natural-born_citizen_defined/

obama's father was not an amercian citizen he was a british citizen
"When a child inherits the citizenship of their father, they become a natural-born citizen of the nation their father belongs regardless of where they might be born. It should be pointed out that citizenship through descent of the father was recognized by U.S. Naturalization law whereby children became citizens themselves as soon as their father had become a naturalized citizen, or were born in another country to a citizen father."
"In regards to questions about the citizenship of the mother: Mothers citizenship rarely ever influenced the citizenship of their children except in certain situations such as the father dying before the child was born or when the identity of the father was unknown."

Obama fails number 3 below.

"From reading all the material on the subject of natural born citizens I can’t help but conclude the following:

1) Citizens of united states was never properly defined by the framers mainly because only state law could define whom were born a citizen of the state which in return automatically made them a citizen of the united states under article 4.

2) Congress in 1866 recognized not all states recognized people of color as citizens and set out to define who were citizens of the united states through statute and amendment to the constitution.

3) Congress decided to recognize all persons born or naturalized as citizens of the united states as long as they could not be claimed as subjects of another country.

4) The 14th amendment was clearly designed to recognized only those politically attached to the nation (citizens) and no other.

5) Just as a naturalized citizen cannot be claimed by any other foreign power as their citizens, neither can anyone born.

Obama cannot be a citizen of the united states under the true meaning behind born or naturalized subject to the jurisdiction of the united states. Justice Gray himself confirmed this in Elk v Wilkins writing for the majority in defining subject to the jurisdiction as political attachment and not mere place of birth. This was in perfect agreement with acts of congress of 1866, 1868 and 1874.

This crazy notion that place of birth controls citizenship is so contrary to written law makes you wonder how so many got carried away with such an easily debunked belief"

Hello?  Hello?  He was born in Hawaii to an American citizen mother.  Hello?  I'll say it again... the birthers are a bunch of nut cases.

[sugerbear]

As he rightly ought to with this 'birther' stupidity.  I sure as hell wouldn't appear for these yahoos... why should the President of the United States.

Fruitcake City, CA... and you buy this crap hook, line, and sinker.

I don't usually respond to such a childless response, and by calling me a fruitcake I do not know why Willow has not pulled your post. mine and others have been pulled for less.
anyway by your response it is clear u do not know history and what the constitution and other laws actually say. This includes most of our politicians who also were taught by the same govt controlled school system.  U condem people about this because U do not know the law or the facts. u just follow the crowd. sad

http://www.federalistblog.us/2008/11/natural-born_citizen_defined/

obama's father was not an amercian citizen he was a british citizen
"When a child inherits the citizenship of their father, they become a natural-born citizen of the nation their father belongs regardless of where they might be born. It should be pointed out that citizenship through descent of the father was recognized by U.S. Naturalization law whereby children became citizens themselves as soon as their father had become a naturalized citizen, or were born in another country to a citizen father."
"In regards to questions about the citizenship of the mother: Mothers citizenship rarely ever influenced the citizenship of their children except in certain situations such as the father dying before the child was born or when the identity of the father was unknown."

Obama fails number 3 below.

"From reading all the material on the subject of natural born citizens I can’t help but conclude the following:

1) Citizens of united states was never properly defined by the framers mainly because only state law could define whom were born a citizen of the state which in return automatically made them a citizen of the united states under article 4.

2) Congress in 1866 recognized not all states recognized people of color as citizens and set out to define who were citizens of the united states through statute and amendment to the constitution.

3) Congress decided to recognize all persons born or naturalized as citizens of the united states as long as they could not be claimed as subjects of another country.

4) The 14th amendment was clearly designed to recognized only those politically attached to the nation (citizens) and no other.

5) Just as a naturalized citizen cannot be claimed by any other foreign power as their citizens, neither can anyone born.

Obama cannot be a citizen of the united states under the true meaning behind born or naturalized subject to the jurisdiction of the united states. Justice Gray himself confirmed this in Elk v Wilkins writing for the majority in defining subject to the jurisdiction as political attachment and not mere place of birth. This was in perfect agreement with acts of congress of 1866, 1868 and 1874.

This crazy notion that place of birth controls citizenship is so contrary to written law makes you wonder how so many got carried away with such an easily debunked belief"

Hello?  Hello?  He was born in Hawaii to an American citizen mother.  Hello?  I'll say it again... the birthers are a bunch of nut cases.

so, you were there and witnessed the birth yourself?

or, taking someones word for it?

[x]

As he rightly ought to with this 'birther' stupidity.  I sure as hell wouldn't appear for these yahoos... why should the President of the United States.

Fruitcake City, CA... and you buy this crap hook, line, and sinker.

I don't usually respond to such a childless response, and by calling me a fruitcake I do not know why Willow has not pulled your post. mine and others have been pulled for less.
anyway by your response it is clear u do not know history and what the constitution and other laws actually say. This includes most of our politicians who also were taught by the same govt controlled school system.  U condem people about this because U do not know the law or the facts. u just follow the crowd. sad

http://www.federalistblog.us/2008/11/natural-born_citizen_defined/

obama's father was not an amercian citizen he was a british citizen
"When a child inherits the citizenship of their father, they become a natural-born citizen of the nation their father belongs regardless of where they might be born. It should be pointed out that citizenship through descent of the father was recognized by U.S. Naturalization law whereby children became citizens themselves as soon as their father had become a naturalized citizen, or were born in another country to a citizen father."
"In regards to questions about the citizenship of the mother: Mothers citizenship rarely ever influenced the citizenship of their children except in certain situations such as the father dying before the child was born or when the identity of the father was unknown."

Obama fails number 3 below.

"From reading all the material on the subject of natural born citizens I can’t help but conclude the following:

1) Citizens of united states was never properly defined by the framers mainly because only state law could define whom were born a citizen of the state which in return automatically made them a citizen of the united states under article 4.

2) Congress in 1866 recognized not all states recognized people of color as citizens and set out to define who were citizens of the united states through statute and amendment to the constitution.

3) Congress decided to recognize all persons born or naturalized as citizens of the united states as long as they could not be claimed as subjects of another country.

4) The 14th amendment was clearly designed to recognized only those politically attached to the nation (citizens) and no other.

5) Just as a naturalized citizen cannot be claimed by any other foreign power as their citizens, neither can anyone born.

Obama cannot be a citizen of the united states under the true meaning behind born or naturalized subject to the jurisdiction of the united states. Justice Gray himself confirmed this in Elk v Wilkins writing for the majority in defining subject to the jurisdiction as political attachment and not mere place of birth. This was in perfect agreement with acts of congress of 1866, 1868 and 1874.

This crazy notion that place of birth controls citizenship is so contrary to written law makes you wonder how so many got carried away with such an easily debunked belief"

Hello?  Hello?  He was born in Hawaii to an American citizen mother.  Hello?  I'll say it again... the birthers are a bunch of nut cases.

so, you were there and witnessed the birth yourself?

or, taking someones word for it?

It's called a long form birth certificate, plus the testimony of Hawaiian officials.  The birthers are nuts.

[junior]

As he rightly ought to with this 'birther' stupidity.  I sure as hell wouldn't appear for these yahoos... why should the President of the United States.

Fruitcake City, CA... and you buy this crap hook, line, and sinker.

I don't usually respond to such a childless response, and by calling me a fruitcake I do not know why Willow has not pulled your post. mine and others have been pulled for less.
anyway by your response it is clear u do not know history and what the constitution and other laws actually say. This includes most of our politicians who also were taught by the same govt controlled school system.  U condem people about this because U do not know the law or the facts. u just follow the crowd. sad

http://www.federalistblog.us/2008/11/natural-born_citizen_defined/

obama's father was not an amercian citizen he was a british citizen
"When a child inherits the citizenship of their father, they become a natural-born citizen of the nation their father belongs regardless of where they might be born. It should be pointed out that citizenship through descent of the father was recognized by U.S. Naturalization law whereby children became citizens themselves as soon as their father had become a naturalized citizen, or were born in another country to a citizen father."
"In regards to questions about the citizenship of the mother: Mothers citizenship rarely ever influenced the citizenship of their children except in certain situations such as the father dying before the child was born or when the identity of the father was unknown."

Obama fails number 3 below.

"From reading all the material on the subject of natural born citizens I can’t help but conclude the following:

1) Citizens of united states was never properly defined by the framers mainly because only state law could define whom were born a citizen of the state which in return automatically made them a citizen of the united states under article 4.

2) Congress in 1866 recognized not all states recognized people of color as citizens and set out to define who were citizens of the united states through statute and amendment to the constitution.

3) Congress decided to recognize all persons born or naturalized as citizens of the united states as long as they could not be claimed as subjects of another country.

4) The 14th amendment was clearly designed to recognized only those politically attached to the nation (citizens) and no other.

5) Just as a naturalized citizen cannot be claimed by any other foreign power as their citizens, neither can anyone born.

Obama cannot be a citizen of the united states under the true meaning behind born or naturalized subject to the jurisdiction of the united states. Justice Gray himself confirmed this in Elk v Wilkins writing for the majority in defining subject to the jurisdiction as political attachment and not mere place of birth. This was in perfect agreement with acts of congress of 1866, 1868 and 1874.

This crazy notion that place of birth controls citizenship is so contrary to written law makes you wonder how so many got carried away with such an easily debunked belief"

Hello?  Hello?  He was born in Hawaii to an American citizen mother.  Hello?  I'll say it again... the birthers are a bunch of nut cases.

so, you were there and witnessed the birth yourself?

or, taking someones word for it?

he saw it on the net!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! so it has to be true!!!!!!!!!!!! no waite a minute he heard it from Obama himself as they were comparing citizenship papers 

[The Anvil]

I can't believe this idiocy continues.

It is also rather curious that "activist judges" are so routinely vilified by the right UNLESS they are paying attention to one of their own pet projects. Then it's all good in the hood.

[Alien]

The problem with arguing politics or religion is that you're never going to change anyone's mind.

[Buda]

Never mind......not worth it 

[DIGGER]

Most Dictators don't obey court orders against them

[98valk]

The problem with arguing politics or religion is that you're never going to change anyone's mind.

Cognitive Dissonance

Psychologists know that when people are confronted by information that goes against their pre-existing ideas, the result is cognitive dissonance, a sort of "static" in the thinking process. It doesn't matter how smart a person is ... cognitive dissonance occurs in highly intelligent people !!

When someone receives information that is opposite to what they think, cognitive dissonance can discredit that information, so that the person won't seriously consider it. In fact, if a new idea drastically opposes one's previously held ideas, the threatening info won't enter their consciousness at all !!! The idea becomes simply 'unthinkable' that it could possibly be true, even with things that are totally obvious to an outside "impartial" observer.

Cognitive dissonance is a primitive, yet amazingly powerful self-preservation mechanism which can completely override the natural human desire for truth !!! It's also the main reason that it's so hard for some to re-think new ideas about how horsepower can be achieved.

[Chattanooga Mark]

The 'birthers' are one of the sadest groups of time and energy wasters in the country. Seriously, this is such a non story. But it does work in Obama's favor as everyone who supports the 'birther' movement can easily be made to look like a complete fool. There are mountains of things I think Obama is guilty of, being born anywhere but Hawaii certainly isn't on the list.

YMMV, (but it shouldn't)

Mark

[RoadKill]

The Mayans said the world will end this year and all any one is whining about is what the Gays can and can't do (and will do anyhow) and what the current jack ass in office has for credentials and where he was hatched from!  crap is gonna hit the fan, whether the Mayans saw it coming or not and all any one can do is complain about the cost of a Frappemochalattecrapsplatter at Starbucks?  ???          

[Thespian]

I can't believe this idiocy continues.

It is also rather curious that "activist judges" are so routinely vilified by the right UNLESS they are paying attention to one of their own pet projects. Then it's all good in the hood.

 +1

 Not to be a hijacker or anything, but just so you all know.
 Republicans vote  republican.
 Democrats vote democrat.
 Independents will chose the next president of the United states of america.  

 oh yea, and they vote for the party that sounds less, CRAZY!

[RoadKill]

I can't believe this idiocy continues.

It is also rather curious that "activist judges" are so routinely vilified by the right UNLESS they are paying attention to one of their own pet projects. Then it's all good in the hood.

 +1

 Not to be a hijacker or anything, but just so you all know.
 Republicans vote  republican.
 Democrats vote democrat.
 Independents will chose the next president of the United states of america. 

And they will only have 2 evils to chose from...will they agree on the lessor evil ?   

[Thespian]

And they will only have 2 evils to chose from...will they agree on the lessor evil ?   
[/quote]

 No there is just one evil, corporate control under both party's.  Taking the money out of our political system is more important than what Party you vote for. And that will not happen this election. Stop playing party politics and think about the people of America. It's way more complicated than sound bites and radio BS. There are real problems to solve and we need to work together as Americans to solve them.

[The Anvil]

The 'birthers' are one of the sadest groups of time and energy wasters in the country. Seriously, this is such a non story. But it does work in Obama's favor as everyone who supports the 'birther' movement can easily be made to look like a complete fool. There are mountains of things I think Obama is guilty of, being born anywhere but Hawaii certainly isn't on the list.

YMMV, (but it shouldn't)

Mark

You commie liberal. 

[Chattanooga Mark]

 

Love ya Mr. Anvil, keep your posts coming. I hope to meet you at some point to shake your hand and tell you I enjoy your posts and your sense of humor.

Mark

[3fan4life]

Hello?  Hello?  He was born in Hawaii to an American citizen mother.  Hello?  I'll say it again... the birthers are a bunch of nut cases.

Now there's an example of the  Pot calling the Kettle black. 

[cajunito]

"There are mountains of things I think Obama is guilty of, being born anywhere but Hawaii certainly isn't on the list."

       Totally agreed.

[98valk]

First off I'm not a birther, just want to know the truth and the facts which are US law.
It has more to do with Obama's dual citizenship which forfeits him to be president.


http://www.wasobamaborninkenya.com/

http://johnharding.com/2010/11/17/obama-born-in-kenya/

"I obtained a certified copy of de facto President Barack Obama’s 1961 Coast Province General Hospital, Mombasa, birth certificate. I obtained the copy, from the hospital itself, on February 19, 2009."

very good details into the constitution and US laws
http://www.theobamafile.com/obamanaturalborn.htm

The question that the courts or Congress must decide is whether a British subject and citizen of Kenya, a person governed by the laws of Great Britain at the time of their birth should be considered a natural "born citizen" of the United States as required by Article 2 Section 1 Clause 5 of the United States Constitution.
   
No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.
   
No American court has been willing to hear witnesses or examine evidence in the matter of Barack Obama's eligibility to serve as President of the United States of America (POTUS).  More than one court has said it is improper to embarrass Obama. 

People are confused because they don't understand the meaning of the relevant legal terms.  This chart shows the elements for each of the constitutional terms that are used in the Constitution or in caselaw by the Supreme Court.

 

For each presidential candidate, they can put the factual history of their birth in the equation and see if they fit the bill to be president of the U.S. under the Constitution of the United States of America, Article II, Section 1, Clause 5, and the 14th Amendment, Section 1, and the relevant federal law under Minor v. Happersett, (1874), U.S. v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898), and Perkins v. Elg, 307 U.S. 325 (1939).

The relevant portions of these cases and precedents are described below in their historical context.. 

 As you can clearly see in the matrix, Obama is a citizen of the United States, but he's not a "natural born citizen" of the United States, and, as such, is not eligible for POTUS, because his father, a Kenyan, was not a U. S. citizen.

 Now let us examine the British law that applies to Obama and his father and which makes Obama a British citizen not only at the time of his birth in 1961 but still today.

http://puzo1.blogspot.com/2009/04/obama-president-of-us-is-currently-also_07.html
Assuming that Obama was born in the United States, he was not only born a dual national of the United States and Great Britain, but at present he continues to be such.
Obama is still however a British citizen not only under English common law (in the words of Coke and Blackstone, a natural-born subject of the United Kingdom) but also under British citizenship statutes. Neither Kenya's 1963 constitution nor any statute erased the consequences of the British common law and nationality statutes that were in effect at the time of Obama’s and his father’s birth. Obama’s continuing British citizenship is further confirmed by English law which provides that persons born in countries which were Colonies at the time when they were born are still British citizens. Hence, Obama continues to be a British citizen despite Kenya’s independence and new constitution.

[cajunito]

I still don't understand.. Can't we have a simple discussion without having to mention race? Wassup with people throwing racist at you if you don't like living under the Obama regime? it's not about the color of his skin,it's his policies and the people whom he surrounds himself with that I don't like. Then again,I'm one of those "old white men" who happens to like riding a Valk. I,for one think either Herman Cain or Condi Rice would make excellent presidents... and both of them are ALL black.

[RoadKill]

I still don't understand.. Can't we have a simple discussion without having to mention race? Wassup with people throwing racist at you if you don't like living under the Obama regime? it's not about the color of his skin,it's his policies and the people whom he surrounds himself with that I don't like. Then again,I'm one of those "old white men" who happens to like riding a Valk. I,for one think either Herman Cain or Condi Rice would make excellent presidents... and both of them are ALL black.

Condi is smart enough to not want the job and THAT is the first qualifier in my book! She would have my vote over what we have to choose from so far ! 

[Trynt]

I still don't understand.. Can't we have a simple discussion without having to mention race? Wassup with people throwing racist at you if you don't like living under the Obama regime? it's not about the color of his skin,it's his policies and the people whom he surrounds himself with that I don't like. Then again,I'm one of those "old white men" who happens to like riding a Valk. I,for one think either Herman Cain or Condi Rice would make excellent presidents... and both of them are ALL black.

It's the same tired old left wing b.s. Being that they are the smartest people on the planet, if you disagree with them, you are ignorant or a moron. If you are neither of those, their fall back position is racist. You couldn't possibly have a valid opinion that differs from theirs.

[The Anvil]

I hate to break it to some of you guys, but race IS a factor in why some people have been hateful towards Obama. Like it or not, it's a factor. Maybe not a big one in the grand scheme, but it's there.

I would vote for Condolezza Rice. Unfortunately she won't run because she's not really a politician.

[MP]

I hate to break it to some of you guys, but race IS a factor in why some people have been hateful towards Obama. Like it or not, it's a factor. Maybe not a big one in the grand scheme, but it's there.

It may be for a few people, but why do liberals call ANYBODY that disagrees with Obama's policies racist?  That is the first thing they throw out.  witness SE's post above.

MP

[The Anvil]

I hate to break it to some of you guys, but race IS a factor in why some people have been hateful towards Obama. Like it or not, it's a factor. Maybe not a big one in the grand scheme, but it's there.

It may be for a few people, but why do liberals call ANYBODY that disagrees with Obama's policies racist?  That is the first thing they throw out.  witness SE's post above.

MP

Again though, you're painting with a broad brush. Not all liberals do that. In fact, I really don't personally hear racism used all that much. But that could have something to do with where someone lives.