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Was at K mart getting her a MP3 player. Guy came up to open the case and said 'is that a gun?' 'Yes, so what?' 'Well I'm gonna have to walk this up front and watch you buy it'. 'Whatever!' No she wasn't OC.  Had a hooded sweat shirt on that was unzipped. He could see it as he was facing her. I told her she shoulda said ok and made him go into the bra underware isle for a 1/2 hour.  |
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« Reply #2 on: February 19, 2012, 05:15:08 PM » |
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Actually, anytime there isnt anyone to check you out in electronics they will walk the item up front,,they have done that to me a number of times...
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Was at K mart getting her a MP3 player. Guy came up to open the case and said 'is that a gun?' 'Yes, so what?' 'Well I'm gonna have to walk this up front and watch you buy it'. 'Whatever!' No she wasn't OC. Had a hooded sweat shirt on that was unzipped. He could see it as he was facing her. I told her she shoulda said ok and made him go into the bra underware isle for a 1/2 hour. Should have dropped it in a shopping cart and had him push it over to pet supply section and load up 10 bags of cheap cat litter. Then wander around the store checking prices while he pushes the cart. |
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« Reply #4 on: February 19, 2012, 05:40:55 PM » |
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Better to have it be a sales person selling her some electronics, than some asshat trying to take her purse.
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Sounds to me like harassment coming from some liberal's personal opinion, based on your reported linkage between the spotted printing concealed carry, and the implication that therefore she's a shoplifter. Didn't you say he looked down her blouse? Hmm. Sounds like sexual harassment, too. I'd file a complaint with management, and have the local gun club offer to put them on their crap list. Rocky Mountain Gun Club is aggressive in dealing with merchants with anti-gun attitudes. No merchant wants to be on their list. Not if they want to make a living from the business.
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Actually, anytime there isnt anyone to check you out in electronics they will walk the item up front,,they have done that to me a number of times...
What Jess said .................. In my experience, anything I have ever bought that was in a locked cabinet has been accompanied by the Clerk to the cashier, the gun thing may have simply been an observation by the Clerk. |
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« Reply #9 on: February 19, 2012, 07:25:20 PM » |
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Fudge, nothing personal, but this was her fault.
Concealed means concealed, not almost concealed. If she is flashing, help her find a way to keep it out of sight, under all circumstances.
Nothing good can come from flashing a concealed firearm.
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Fudge, nothing personal, but this was her fault.
Concealed means concealed, not almost concealed. If she is flashing, help her find a way to keep it out of sight, under all circumstances.
Nothing good can come from flashing a concealed firearm.
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« Reply #11 on: February 19, 2012, 08:11:58 PM » |
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Fudge, nothing personal, but this was her fault.
Concealed means concealed, not almost concealed. If she is flashing, help her find a way to keep it out of sight, under all circumstances.
Nothing good can come from flashing a concealed firearm.
Well not really. Ind is a open carry State. Poor concealed carry is not a substitute for open carry.... where everyone sees your firearm at all times. Flashing a concealed pistol is not a good practice, even in an open carry State. It may not be illegal, but that doesn't make it good. |
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Sounds to me like harassment coming from some liberal's personal opinion, based on your reported linkage between the spotted printing concealed carry, and the implication that therefore she's a shoplifter. Didn't you say he looked down her blouse? Hmm. Sounds like sexual harassment, too.
That's a terrific idea. If you don't like someone's position on something then make up a false charge and call a lawyer rather than just handling it like an adult. You must also be a member of the Two Wrongs club. Do you have any idea how morally repugnant what you're suggesting is? Shoplifters don't typically carry guns while shoplifting. It turns a misdemeanor into an instant felony. |
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Left turns in front of motorcycles (failure to yield) are illegal. Since we are in the right, let's just barrel on through and let them tbone us. after all, we are in the right.
Brian, Indiana is an open carry but I disagree with you on 'in your face' .
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The local walmart has always done that with me when I'm buying small electronics too. I asked the guy about it the last time it came up when I bought a memory stick. He knew what their yearly shoplifting losses were and they were huge.
And, as has been said, we're an open carry state. I've got a brother in law who open carries a .454 raging bull. He's a big guy but I still don't think he could conceal it when the weather is warm even if he wanted to.
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Thats not a "run in". Sounds like this guy was just doing his job.
I am a gun owner but I dont understand all this interest in walking around carrying....concealed or not. If I felt I needed to protect myself by being armed...I would move to a safer place. It would be hell always worrying about my own safety. Being armed doesnt make me a bigger man. Just my opinion. You dont have to agree or argue with me.
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If I felt I needed to protect myself by being armed...I would move to a safer place.
Overnight there was a home invasion in Blue Earth MN. A 38 year old male was killed and three women beaten so severely they were airlifted to the Mayo Clinic. Being a fellow Minnesotan, you may know Blue Earth is a sleepy farming community in Faribault County with a population of 3500. The largest city in the region has a population of 50,000 (Mankato) and is 40 miles away. It would be very difficult to find a "safer" place to live. I have had two fire extinguishers in my home for 30 years and I've never found occasion to use either of them. But I still have them available. |
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If I felt I needed to protect myself by being armed...I would move to a safer place.
Overnight there was a home invasion in Blue Earth MN. A 38 year old male was killed and three women beaten so severely they were airlifted to the Mayo Clinic. Being a fellow Minnesotan, you may know Blue Earth is a sleepy farming community in Faribault County with a population of 3500. The largest city in the region has a population of 50,000 (Mankato) and is 40 miles away. It would be very difficult to find a "safer" place to live. I have had two fire extinguishers in my home for 30 years and I've never found occasion to use either of them. But I still have them available. |
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Jess from VA,
1,000% agree. Absolutely spot on and well said. If casual observation can locate your 'concealed' carry style, the carrier needs to change what they consider as concealed carry. It appears by what's been posted this was simply a poor choice of concealed carry stlye. By the weapon being seen, it simply raises the suspiscion on the wearer. Seems perfectly normal to me. Let's not be so quick to find fault by the store employee. Nothing posted so far has me thinking the store was at fault for anything.
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I live in a pretty safe place and I have dogs. But I still keep a loaded firearm ready. You just never know.
I suppose that if I ever feel the need to carry a backup gun I'll decide it's time to move.
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The truth is you have almost no chance against a criminal.
The criminal will have a gun to the head of the armed citizen before the armed citizen even realizes what is happening. At that point, the armed citizen will not dare try to reach for his gun. The criminal, besides securing the money he are after, will also take the armed citizen’s gun.
Remember Ronald Reagan......he had 6 highly trained Secret Service agents at his side.
I believe that I have a better chance of getting hit by your stray inacurate bullet than from any criminal.
Law enforcement generally agrees with me. But hey, go for it. Its your right.
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I realize that President Reagan was just 1 incident. But Hinkley got off 6 shots wounding 4 people that day (prez, Brady, SS and a cop), surrounded by the most capable and highly trained security force in the whole world.
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Just 1 study..............but I like my odds.
Studies show that open carry and concealed carry create significant risk to public safety and do little to provide safety to the gun carrier. In a study funded by the National Institutes of Health and published in the American Journal of Public Health, November 2009, epidemiologists at the University of Pennsylvania School of Medicine found that, on average, guns did not protect those who possessed them from being shot in an assault. The study found that people carrying a gun were 4.5 times more likely to be shot in an assault than those not carrying a gun.
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The truth is you have almost no chance against a criminal.
The criminal will have a gun to the head of the armed citizen before the armed citizen even realizes what is happening. At that point, the armed citizen will not dare try to reach for his gun. The criminal, besides securing the money he are after, will also take the armed citizen’s gun.
Remember Ronald Reagan......he had 6 highly trained Secret Service agents at his side.
I believe that I have a better chance of getting hit by your stray inacurate bullet than from any criminal.
Law enforcement generally agrees with me. But hey, go for it. Its your right.
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« Reply #26 on: February 20, 2012, 05:43:21 PM » |
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The truth is you have almost no chance against a criminal.
The criminal will have a gun to the head of the armed citizen before the armed citizen even realizes what is happening. At that point, the armed citizen will not dare try to reach for his gun. The criminal, besides securing the money he are after, will also take the armed citizen’s gun.
Remember Ronald Reagan......he had 6 highly trained Secret Service agents at his side.
I believe that I have a better chance of getting hit by your stray inacurate bullet than from any criminal.
Law enforcement generally agrees with me. But hey, go for it. Its your right.
I don't see myself as a criminal's target. I don't look either wealthy or helpless - I doubt anyone who sees me close up would dare assault me - likely they will lose and that's without gunplay. I'm 6 ft, 280lbs and mean looking. I am carrying to protect the innocents around me, besides just myself. You can believe what you want - obviously you have bought into the fallacies propagated by the anti-gunners. But the fact is, my bullets are neither stray nor inaccurate. Law enforcement agrees with you? There might be a couple LEO flyers, I've seen their writings. But in general? ABSOLUTELY NOT. And neither do statistics support your statement. Throughout the country, when CCW was enacted, the crime rates went down. Way down. And statistically - being hit by stray bullets does not happen with legal, licensed concealed carriers. Now getting hit by a thug's bullet doing a drive-by - yeah that has happened quite a few times. My CCW permit came with the required pre-agreement to be deputized if needed by any LEO needing assistance. IOW, I am an unsworn pre-deputy. I take that role seriously. But you want to be helpless - go ahead, that's your right. Maybe you'll get lucky and the thug robbing you will get taken out by a concealed carrier nearby. |
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The truth is you have almost no chance against a criminal.
There is no truth to that whatsoever.
The criminal will have a gun to the head of the armed citizen before the armed citizen even realizes what is happening. At that point, the armed citizen will not dare try to reach for his gun. The criminal, besides securing the money he are after, will also take the armed citizen’s gun.
Remember Ronald Reagan......he had 6 highly trained Secret Service agents at his side.
I believe that I have a better chance of getting hit by your stray inaccurate bullet than from any criminal. Law enforcement generally agrees with me. But hey, go for it. Its your right.
Lying in wait for an assassination is not ordinary criminal behavior. If you are willing to trade your life, you can kill almost anyone.
Just 1 study..............but I like my odds.
Studies show that open carry and concealed carry create significant risk to public safety and do little to provide safety to the gun carrier.
This is also a bald faced lie. All objective studies show that every state with a CCW law and gun freedom has significantly lower crime rates than every restrictive state and city in the country (NYC, Chicago, DC, Los Angeles, Boston, you name it. Millions of CCWs in this county have resulted in a tiny-fractional amount of unlawful violence
In a study funded by the National Institutes of Health and published in the American Journal of Public Health, November 2009, epidemiologists at the University of Pennsylvania School of Medicine found that, on average, guns did not protect those who possessed them from being shot in an assault. The study found that people carrying a gun were 4.5 times more likely to be shot in an assault than those not carrying a gun.
The NIH is a socialist gun hating organization that serves cool aid to all true believers.
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Jess from VA,
1,000% agree. Absolutely spot on and well said. If casual observation can locate your 'concealed' carry style, the carrier needs to change what they consider as concealed carry. It appears by what's been posted this was simply a poor choice of concealed carry stlye. By the weapon being seen, it simply raises the suspiscion on the wearer. Seems perfectly normal to me. Let's not be so quick to find fault by the store employee. Nothing posted so far has me thinking the store was at fault for anything.
Mark
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When are all you people going to learn........... There is no need to conceal and carry when you have guns like these  I'm from IL, so its the only weapon(s) I can legally have, besides a baton or stun gun, but I'd probably have a better chance throwing rocks |
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The truth is you have almost no chance against a criminal.
The criminal will have a gun to the head of the armed citizen before the armed citizen even realizes what is happening. At that point, the armed citizen will not dare try to reach for his gun. The criminal, besides securing the money he are after, will also take the armed citizen’s gun.
Remember Ronald Reagan......he had 6 highly trained Secret Service agents at his side.
I believe that I have a better chance of getting hit by your stray inacurate bullet than from any criminal.
Law enforcement generally agrees with me. But hey, go for it. Its your right.
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I was waiting for the "drink the coolaid" comment. Took longer than I expected.
Jess, change your font color so its easier to read. Yow!
I am a hunter/gun owner/strong conservative/less goverment kind of guy.
Its fun to get you guys all riled up. Wear your gun and do what ever you want, its legal and its your right. I wont be carrying.
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When are all you people going to learn........... There is no need to conceal and carry when you have guns like these I'm from IL, so its the only weapon(s) I can legally have, besides a baton or stun gun, but I'd probably have a better chance throwing rocks Dude, you're the man ! When I flash my guns (or my belly), I just get giggles. |
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The truth is you have almost no chance against a criminal.
The criminal will have a gun to the head of the armed citizen before the armed citizen even realizes what is happening. At that point, the armed citizen will not dare try to reach for his gun. The criminal, besides securing the money he are after, will also take the armed citizen’s gun.
Remember Ronald Reagan......he had 6 highly trained Secret Service agents at his side.
I believe that I have a better chance of getting hit by your stray inacurate bullet than from any criminal.
Law enforcement generally agrees with me. But hey, go for it. Its your right.
The last statistics I saw were from the FBI. According to their statistics at the time (just a few years ago) people who resisted a crime with a firearm were less likely to be injured than people who used any other method to resist or who offered no resistance at all. There are people who believe a person who meekly submits to an attackers demands is somehow morally superior to a person who shoots their attacker dead. Possibly you feel the same. And if so, good for you, I respect people who are willing to sacrifice their lives for what they believe. |
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The truth is you have almost no chance against a criminal.
The criminal will have a gun to the head of the armed citizen before the armed citizen even realizes what is happening. At that point, the armed citizen will not dare try to reach for his gun. The criminal, besides securing the money he are after, will also take the armed citizen’s gun.
Remember Ronald Reagan......he had 6 highly trained Secret Service agents at his side.
I believe that I have a better chance of getting hit by your stray inacurate bullet than from any criminal.
Law enforcement generally agrees with me. But hey, go for it. Its your right.
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There are people who believe a person who meekly submits to an attackers demands is somehow morally superior to a person who shoots their attacker dead. Possibly you feel the same. And if so, good for you, I respect people who are willing to sacrifice their lives for what they believe. I BELIEVE THAT IF SOMEONE BREAKS DOWN MY DOOR HE ISN'T THERE TO TELL ME THAT I'VE WON A SWEEPSTAKES. If someone threatens the lives of my family or me they have FORE-FITTED their right to live and I will remove them from this world in a heartbeat and NEVER look back. |
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The study found that people carrying a gun were 4.5 times more likely to be shot in an assault than those not carrying a gun.
There are lies, damn lies and statistics. That study is an example.. Those individuals appearing in emergency rooms with gun shot wounds are most often involved in criminal activity and are not law abiding citizens. Gang-bangers who were shot by other gang bangers often carry firearms. I think any intellectually honest person can see how "the study sample" skews the stats. |
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The truth is you have almost no chance against a criminal.
The criminal will have a gun to the head of the armed citizen before the armed citizen even realizes what is happening. At that point, the armed citizen will not dare try to reach for his gun. The criminal, besides securing the money he are after, will also take the armed citizen’s gun.
Remember Ronald Reagan......he had 6 highly trained Secret Service agents at his side.
I believe that I have a better chance of getting hit by your stray inacurate bullet than from any criminal.
Law enforcement generally agrees with me. But hey, go for it. Its your right.
So I guess "resistance is futile". The criminals are all super competent and proficient in the use of firearms and tactics and the rest of us are helpless sheep who should meekly conform to their will and hope for the best? I guess no one told the MN permit holder that shot and killed an armed thief that pistol whipped an old woman last October. http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2011/10/21/police-%E2%80%98good-samaritan%E2%80%99-shoots-kills-alleged-robber/ |
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« Reply #38 on: February 20, 2012, 08:18:44 PM » |
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Please carry you Anti-Gun identification in plain sight so that we know NOT to intimidate you with our guns while you are being victimized by Non-law abiding citizens.
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« Reply #39 on: February 21, 2012, 02:39:41 AM » |
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The truth is you have almost no chance against a criminal.
The criminal will have a gun to the head of the armed citizen before the armed citizen even realizes what is happening. At that point, the armed citizen will not dare try to reach for his gun. The criminal, besides securing the money he are after, will also take the armed citizen’s gun.
Remember Ronald Reagan......he had 6 highly trained Secret Service agents at his side.
I believe that I have a better chance of getting hit by your stray inacurate bullet than from any criminal.
Law enforcement generally agrees with me. But hey, go for it. Its your right.
That's so stupid I feel dumber for having read it. You know little to nothing of how these encounters usually happen. And law enforcement does not generally agree with you. |
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But none together can testify to the rhythm of a road well bent.
Saddles and zip codes, passports and gates, the Jones' keep.
In August the water is trickling, in April it's furious deep.
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