WHAT IS RACISM? - Long dissertation

[The Anvil]

For the ones that say they are not racist.
When you bought your house,did you buy in a Black  or White neighborhood
If you buy are you going to look Black or White neighborhood

 Where you live gets to the heart of who you are.
There are no blacks anywhere near me.

The racial demographic of the neighborhood never entered into the conversation when we decided to live here 13 years ago. It may say something about you, but you're not everyone (praise the lord and pass the peanut butter).



Willow, I give you credit for admitting that you're a racist but I can't let you off the hook that easily. So you're a racist. That means that you think race X is inherently superior to race Y? For example; do you think that if you were to take a 10 children from race X and 10 children from race Y and raised them identically in isolation that the 10 children from race Y would prove to be less intelligent upon reaching adulthood?

Because there's a difference in believing that black America is infected with a cultural malaise that affects development and believing that they're naturally inferior. I mean if you believe that they're naturally inferior then fine, that's your opinion. Just looking for a little clarity.

[Willow]

Incidentally on those silly forms that ask us to identify our race and then list several categories, some race and some ethnic, I never identify myself as white.    [/guote]

I know you wanted to make a couple of statements and back away from this thing.....but I had to ask...

Is it you don't answer "white" on the silly forms because (1) you have become conditioned to be ashamed of the white heritage, or (2) you are afraid that you will be biased against for your answer, or (3) what?

I basically answer those questions the same way you do.  I was wondering if we had the same reasoning.

Okay, I guess this is evidence that I can be baited, at least to some degree.

It's because I'm not "white" and I resent someone demanding that I categorize myself.  I asked one interviewer what happens when I leave that slot blank or answer "N/A".  She said she would have to make the determination based upon appearance.

By the way, white is not a race.  It's a color.

Willow, I give you credit for admitting that you're a racist but I can't let you off the hook that easily. So you're a racist. That means that you think race X is inherently superior to race Y? For example; do you think that if you were to take a 10 children from race X and 10 children from race Y and raised them identically in isolation that the 10 children from race Y would prove to be less intelligent upon reaching adulthood?

Because there's a difference in believing that black America is infected with a cultural malaise that affects development and believing that they're naturally inferior. I mean if you believe that they're naturally inferior then fine, that's your opinion. Just looking for a little clarity.

Thanks for the credit, Jamie, but just so we understand one another, I acknowledge no hook from which you may let me off or keep me on.    

I'm a racists because I believe there are inherent traits, characteristics, and even skills that are different between varying racial groups.  If that were not true the there would be no way to distinguish between races.  Because I believe that there are inherent differences, it stands to reason that there is the possibility that such taboo-to-discuss items as intelligence or aptitude may be included in those differences.

Do you not see the irony in how that though I specifically told you I wouldn't say how or why, that you made an immediate assumption and after first using the "race X and race Y"  you leaped to the question of do you think blacks (again a color, not a race) are naturally intellectually inferior.  Why didn't you ask whether I thought Negroids are naturally superior, or Mongoloids?  They are rhetorical questions.  Don't bother answering.    

The point is, we all, or at least most, meet the criteria of being racists.  We can confess to certain aspects of racial difference and the culture at large will agree it only makes sense, but reference one of the taboo possible differences and suddenly everyone wants to scream racism.

I will answer the unwarranted question.  I really don't know whether it's the race that traces it's origins back to Africa or the one tracing its origins back to Europe that is intellectually superior.   I do hold the possibility, though that one may be.

I am offended by racial slandering and derogatory terms referencing racial and ethnic groups.  I'm most offended when those references are made by obviously ignorant people.

I hope that clears up some of the confusion.    

[donaldcc]

  Now i am confused.   

[Paxton]

OK. Here is a Refresher / Crash Course on EEO/AA: (This specific subject was a part of my thesis while pursuing
my (MSPA) - Master's of Science in Public Administration; Organizational Behavior and Diversity Management.)

Mind you. "All I needed to know in life, I learned in Kinder garden!"

EEO/AA ID CARD
By law you are NOT required to fill up the ID card. But, in any event, including visual ID, the card is removed from your application package
and filed separately for 5 or 7 years, depending on the company's record of compliance with EEO, not AA.

DATA RETENTION:
The information must be retained in case of a government audit. NOTE: In the 34 years I was exposed to this practices,
the Feds audit "us" only twice.

By law, all corporations (public and private w/-15 or more employees ) are required to collect this information.
And yes, they are required to do a "visual determination" if you choose to not declare. WHY?

EEO ANNUAL REPORT:
There is an annual report to the feds that in public jurisdictions is called EEO-4. In private corporations is called EEO-3

The mandated report is to evaluate how many applicants applied for a given job or group of jobs;
and what's the ratio of hiring regarding ALL
"protected categories" under the law... These include but not limited to The disabled; the Veterans of all wars, Gender, White,  Black, Hispanic,
Asian, Ethnicity / National origin, Native American / Alaskan Native, American Samoan, Phillipino (only in California, and
only if the company receives State grants); Pregnant women, Sexual orientation (only in Ca if the company receives state grants)...
and Armenian only in the Cities of Pasadena, Fresno and Glendale, Ca. And YES, WHITE IS a "protected category" as well.

WHITES ARE PROTECTED UNDER EEO/AA:
Contrary to popular belief, many whites have won discrimination cases on the basis of color
and any other category
that protects Whites; (I.e. Caucasian Women, White Men, White Pregnant women, White Veterans ;
White disabled people,
White Gay and Lesbian people (only in California)... on and on...

Equal Employment Opportunity (EEO) is required by federal and State laws. However, Affirmative Action (AA) is a voluntary program;
unless your jurisdiction or company has been found to discriminate under EEO, in which case AA is mandated for a specific period.

Confused enough? Blame Obama.

[G-Man]

And there are lots of things whites can get away with that blacks cannot. Just sayin.   I dont like how some of you guys catagorize people in the black column and the white column. There are bad black people and bad white people. Just because you hear more about the black dosent mean there arent 5 white people doing the same thing. Think about it, most news channels are in major cities, and black people are (if not its close) the majority in big cities.

 

[G-Man]

What is racism?
It's a tool  the "Progressives" use to keep society divided.

I agree.  And the TURN-THE-OTHER-CHEEK policy this administration, specifically the Dept. of Justice, has adopted regarding the overt black on white racism and crimes confirms this.

[G-Man]

For the ones that say they are not racist.
When you bought your house,did you buy in a Black  or White neighborhood
If you buy are you going to look Black or White neighborhood

 Where you live gets to the heart of who you are.
There are no blacks anywhere near me.

Was talking to a bi-racial couple (just like us) at the dog park and the subject of their home search came up.  He mentioned the downtown area of White Plains and she, a black woman, said that the area was too black her. 

While I don't feel any race is superior, I HAVE to acknowledge that there just may be real differences.  We use statistics to measure everything and there are studies that have observed everything, for many, many years now.  If we hold any validity to these facts and figures, then we have to acknowledge that one race may commit more crimes, one race may score higher on tests, one race has the ability to perform more technical activities, etc.  No, why these facts and figures demonstrate the findings that they do is only the beginning of the discussion.

What I find truly racist is that the presenter of the facts and figures is deemed the racist.  In my opinion, the suppressor of the information is the racist.  This is the person who wishes to perpetuate what is going on, or perpetuate the reasons that people behave the way they do. 

[Trynt]

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I'm a racists because I believe there are inherent traits, characteristics, and even skills that are different between varying racial groups.  If that were not true the there would be no way to distinguish between races.  Because I believe that there are inherent differences, it stands to reason that there is the possibility that such taboo-to-discuss items as intelligence or aptitude may be included in those differences.

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+1
For the past 9 months I have been frequenting a Casino in Renville County Mn to play Blackjack. The racial make up of Renvlle county consists of only .02% Asians yet about 20% of the blackjack dealers at the casino are of Asian descent. To paraphrase Walt Kolwalski (Clint Eastwood) in Gran Torino ' those G***s are good at math'. Despite liberal dogma, I too believe we are not all the same under our skins.

[The Anvil]

Thanks for the credit, Jamie, but just so we understand one another, I acknowledge no hook from which you may let me off or keep me on.  

The helmsman of the Titanic didn't see the iceberg either, but it was there.    

Do you not see the irony in how that though I specifically told you I wouldn't say how or why, that you made an immediate assumption and after first using the "race X and race Y"  you leaped to the question of do you think blacks (again a color, not a race) are naturally intellectually inferior.  Why didn't you ask whether I thought Negroids are naturally superior, or Mongoloids?  They are rhetorical questions.  Don't bother answering.    

Because in the first paragraph I was specifically being vague to allow for the possibility that your racism wasn't directed against blacks. In the second part I was using blacks as a specific example as it's usually the most common and relatable variety. I could have just as easily asked you if you believed that Asians are naturally superior to white people when it comes to crunching numbers or if it's the cultural element that puts a premium on education in that society as a specific example. Or if you thought that Mexicans are in fact lazy or that the sperm of the Puerto Rican man knows no kryptonite, etc, etc, forever and anon. So no, I don't really see the irony.

I hope that clears up some of the confusion.    

I suppose.

[Willow]

Thanks for the credit, Jamie, but just so we understand one another, I acknowledge no hook from which you may let me off or keep me on.  

The helmsman of the Titanic didn't see the iceberg either, but it was there.    

... So no, I don't really see the irony.

I hope that clears up some of the confusion.    

I suppose.

...  and in a few quick flicks of the keyboard, the Anvil became the Iceberg.      

The irony I see is that if one runs with the herd regularly enough, one will naturally assume the path of the herd, and that, my friend takes very little thought.

There are none so blind as those who will not see.

It's all good.  I really do comprehend your point and I understand Paxton's and the government's intents.  I just think they're wrong and I'm relatively content with folks thinking I'm wrong.  It makes me a better person to bear up under the crushing weight of disapproval.    

[f6gal]

... my fiend ...

Freudian slip?  

[Willow]

... my fiend ...

Freudian slip?  

Oops!  No, sticky R on the keyboard.

When are they going to come out with a this-is-what-I-mean checker?

[Paxton]

QUOTE FROM WILLOW: "... It's all good.  I really do comprehend your point and I understand Paxton's and the government's intents.  I just think they're wrong and I'm relatively content with folks thinking I'm wrong.  It makes me a better person to bear up under the crushing weight of disapproval."

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My intent is to explain the mechanics of why, who and what EEO/AA is and the "work it does."
However, its application is by no means a crucial activity for the
survival of the nation. Indeed, as time goes by, EEO/AA becomes increasingly irrelevant and wasteful.

In the final analysis I, as an individual citizen, am in agreement with Willow's quoted statement.
Well, almost all of it. Certainly in spirit and tenor.

"Hey! Be reasonable, agree with me."

My freakin' boss

[ComradBlack]

Is this a good thread to say White people built a society superior to all others.

Cause one way to tell if a society is superior to another is to perform the  "Gates Test"

 ... Open the gates and see which way the people move ...

[Paxton]

ComradBlack;
Your premise is interesting. These are my comments on your comments...
But first, as Senator Kyle would say; "...the following are not intended to be factual statements..."
What I mean is that I don't trust whether my statements that follow are anthropologically or historically accurate;
and that I might be dreaming them up as I write them.
I do have a short-memory problem and I do have a short-memory problem. In fact, I might be missing your entire point. 
Nevertheless, here are my comments:

I was of the (mis) understanding that, given the "resources" available during their times, the Aztecs, the Mayan and the Incas... and others
had developed most advanced societies; over many Centuries.  ???
And that arguably, all things been equal, their societies achievement levels were far superior than any society developed since; including ours. 

Notwithstanding, I always look forward to learning something new. I am always open to be persuaded and to explore other points of view.

RIDE HARD - RIDE SAFE

"I believe in everything until it's disproved. So I believe in fairies, the myths, dragons…
It all exists, even if it's in your mind.
Who's to say that dreams and nightmares aren't as real as the here and now?"
 John Lennon

[Trynt]

ComradBlack;


And that arguably, all things been equal, their societies achievement levels were far superior than any society developed since; including ours. 

Oh I don't know, that whole human sacrifice thing always bothered me a little!

[ComradBlack]

ComradBlack;
Your premise is interesting. These are my comments on your comments...
But first, as Senator Kyle would say; "...the following are not intended to be factual statements..."
What I mean is that I don't trust whether my statements that follow are anthropologically or historically accurate;
and that I might be dreaming them up as I write them.
I do have a short-memory problem and I do have a short-memory problem. In fact, I might be missing your entire point. 
Nevertheless, here are my comments:

I was of the (mis) understanding that, given the "resources" available during their times, the Aztecs, the Mayan and the Incas... and others
had developed most advanced societies; over many Centuries.  ???
And that arguably, all things been equal, their societies achievement levels were far superior than any society developed since; including ours. 

Notwithstanding, I always look forward to learning something new. I am always open to be persuaded and to explore other points of view.

RIDE HARD - RIDE SAFE

"I believe in everything until it's disproved. So I believe in fairies, the myths, dragons…
It all exists, even if it's in your mind.
Who's to say that dreams and nightmares aren't as real as the here and now?"
 John Lennon

Well I meant it as a factual Statement.

Case in point ... you mention the Aztecs as being a "superior" society.

When we talk or study past civilizations in history we do use words such as "advanced" and "superior" for their time.
Without doubt we recognize that not all societies are equal.

So the question becomes ...

Why is it wrong to claim or even boast about our society that was built by "White People",  being superior to all others ?

[Duffy]

The future of race is limited. One day we (ok not us, but our grandkids or great grandkids) will be mostly mixed races, or more generally known as earthlings(?)

Many of the best looking people are of mixed race. I can count three in my family, my stepson Ice, my niece Claire and nephew Christopher. All three better looking than us pure white Elliotts. Just an opinion of course. 

Look at Halle Berry, Tiger Woods and Barack Obama, all mixed and two of those three are good looking.  Not that looks are everything, but I think it is God's way of telling us it is ok, even a good thing to mix races. 

I do wish Obama would show some pride of being mixed instead of allowing the world around him to call him African American. True, he is AA, but there is more to it than that. We typically associate AA with Africans (with black skin) living in America. Question: if a white skinned person migrates to America from South Africa, are they AA?

I am a fan of diversity. I believe it has enriched my life. My Japanese wife and I once discussed adopting a Hispanic girl to "round out" the family. Is it wrong to target a particular race in a positive way?

I know one person that is prominant on this board that uses the N word when there is only white rednecks around. At those times, I am embarrassed to call him a friend. 

[G-Man]

Question: if a white skinned person migrates to America from South Africa, are they AA?

We call my Egyptian Jew of a cousin and African American.  Actually, my brother jokes and calls him every derogatory name for a black person you can think of and he corrects him by saying he's an African American!  We even call to wish him a Happy MLK Day!   

Did someone say bi-racial kids are good looking?? And such talent!!!

[Serk]

While I was working in South Africa we actually discussed that very thing (Is a white South African who moves to America an African American?) and one told the story of a buddy of his that immigrated to the US, and on a college application put his race as African American, since he was born in Africa, his parents were born in Africa, his grandparents were born in Africa, etc, and he was moving to America and considered himself an American.

Evidently this ended in him being criminally prosecuted for fraud.

And no, I don't know the outcome, and I can't back this up with any hard sources, this was just the story told to me by a South African. Wouldn't surprise me at all though...

[Paxton]

QUOTE: "...Case in point ... you mention the Aztecs as being a "superior" society."

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ComradBlack;
Not to take away from your main point, I stated: "... given the "resources" available during their times,
the Aztecs, the Mayan and the Incas... all things been equal,
their societies achievement levels were far superior (better) than any society developed since; including ours..."

In my statement I was referring to superior achievement levels... not to a "superior society" or superior people.

Here are a couple of tortured examples:
 
A. We hear that some US States rank lower / higher on economic activity and/or educational levels than others.
B. We hear that the US ranks far below in educational achievements than Japan and / or Livonia... etc.

These refer to different / “superior achievement levels,”it is not a statement about one state or nation been
sociologically superior or populated by superior beings.

In fact, natural resources, national wealth, educational priorities, military "superiority," etc are fundamental to a nation's achievement levels.
Not race or ethnicity, at least in my psyche.

Therefore, I could not leap to a fallacious conclusion that Livonians are superior beings  than Americans just because their educational
achievement levels are higher or "superior," than ours... my intended  use in that sense of the word.

But, suppose that by the end of this century the Chinese would be the world's only super(ior) power. 
In my way of thinking, notwithstanding such superior achievements and worldwide power, I would not conclude that the Chinese (Mongoloids)
are superior beings than Caucasians or Negroids... yada, yada yada... ???

I appreciate the respectful character of our discussion. I am still open to further listening to and further consider your points of view.

"History was a series of decisions about what to tell and a series of accidents about what survived after telling.
 Not truth…
The search for truth is … as worthy as any other human activity."
David Drake
(Patriots)

[FryeVRCCDS0067]

To me, to recognize that there are differences between the races is not racism. To make a joke about dancing ability, etc. is not racism.

To give someone a job or exclude them from a job based on their race is racism. To dislike someone or hate someone based on their race is racism.

To give or exclude someone from some type of benefits based on their race is Racism.

[Paxton]

SerK, you state: "...  Evidently this ended in him being criminally prosecuted for fraud...  this was just the story told to me by a South African.
Wouldn't surprise me at all though..."

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The "non-event" could not be "evident-ly" since the "information" given, provides no evidence. The information, by definition is hearsay...
not evidence. ???

Based on the information you received, I would be very surprised if indeed there was ever an effort to prosecute someone
for this particular action.

In fact, as I explained in another post, these cards are virtually a joke. People do lie all the time on these cards,
which fillings are strictly voluntary. No law requires you to fill them out.

In my observations over the years, Prankers would apply for any job, just to fool 'round with the card!  

The most common joke was on the question of your Gender. I.e. Sex Male; Sex Female; and a space provided
for voluntary comments on each question...

The comments frequently written in on the question of your sex were like, "... not enough," too much,  
I hate it!, Non of your business, feels good, I am ready...." and on and on like that.

It felt on the front office staff to fill out the "correct" information, based on Visual ID.

The question was eventually changed to "What is your Gender?" And a new wave of hilarious OR not cool Homophobic responses began...

"Integrity is a bugger, it really is. Lying can get you into difficulties,
but to really wind up in the crappers try telling nothing but the truth."
David Mitchell
(Ghostwritten)

[musclehead]

ComradBlack;
Your premise is interesting. These are my comments on your comments...
But first, as Senator Kyle would say; "...the following are not intended to be factual statements..."
What I mean is that I don't trust whether my statements that follow are anthropologically or historically accurate;
and that I might be dreaming them up as I write them.
I do have a short-memory problem and I do have a short-memory problem. In fact, I might be missing your entire point. 
Nevertheless, here are my comments:

I was of the (mis) understanding that, given the "resources" available during their times, the Aztecs, the Mayan and the Incas... and others
had developed most advanced societies; over many Centuries.  ???
And that arguably, all things been equal, their societies achievement levels were far superior than any society developed since; including ours. 

Notwithstanding, I always look forward to learning something new. I am always open to be persuaded and to explore other points of view.

RIDE HARD - RIDE SAFE

"I believe in everything until it's disproved. So I believe in fairies, the myths, dragons…
It all exists, even if it's in your mind.
Who's to say that dreams and nightmares aren't as real as the here and now?"
 John Lennon

leaving out the Egyptians? that's racist    (I'm kidding)

[FryeVRCCDS0067]

When I was maybe 13, which would have make it 1970 I took a lifeguard class at our local public pool even though I couldn’t be hired there as a lifeguard until taking the class again at 15 or 16.

But, I did land a dream job as the lifeguard at a local private lake. This meant I had to cut my hair short since they had a hair length code and it meant an 8 mile bicycle ride each way every day I worked. Although my Dad did take me back and forth if I asked him and he was off work.

It was a dream job for a kid, lots of “eye candy”. I was allowed to swim while on duty if there were less than 6 people in the water. I got free meals, and nobody gave me crap about anything. Lots of the families had cabins on the lake and it was a “party place” with drunkin’ parents letting their girls run wild on the weekends. It was indeed, a sweet gig. It paid maybe 2 bucks an hour which was a little less than I had been making mowing 10 or 12 yards a week with a push mower but it was better work to be sure. Did I mention the girls?

I’d quit all my mowing jobs because of this gig, I was paying my Dad back $150 he’d loaned me for my first motorcycle and I needed the money this job provided.

Then, it happened. The lady who ran the place had to go to town and asked me to man the gate. I was excited about the new responsibility. As she was explaining my new duties, as in, letting in members, selling new memberships and explaining the rules concerning dress and hair length she came to something that left me dumbfounded.

I can still hear her words to this day, she said, “if anybody “black as the ace of spades” comes to the gate, just tell them we are not accepting new members”.

I sat in her nice house, looking through the window and watching the gate while she was gone and praying no one who wasn’t white came to the gate and feeling sick about what I had been led into.

When she got back, I resigned. I told her I wouldn’t be part of that kind of racist crap and that I had no idea that kind of thing even existed. She promised that I wouldn’t have to man the gate again, but I got on my “stingray” bike, rode the 8 miles home and felt proud of myself for doing it. I’m still proud of myself, if I had compromised my values then, I’d still be doing it, I’m sure.

Mom and Dad were pretty angry at me for quitting, and I had to eat crow as I went door to door trying to get my old lawn mowing jobs back or get new ones but within a week or three I again had 10 or 12 lawns to mow each week and plenty of spending money. No eye candy though.

That was my first experience with racism, and it still pisses me off.

[donaldcc]

  Good for you as a young kid when it is even harder to stand up to bigotry and racism. 

[FryeVRCCDS0067]

  Good for you as a young kid when it is even harder to stand up to bigotry and racism. 

The only time I've ever questioned my judgement on it was around 1993 when I was laid off from my job and looking for another. I'd taken an electricians test where I knew several electricians were going to be hired. I knew I did great on the test. I also knew one of the bigwigs there. When I didn't get the job I found out from him why.

My test score was easily good enough to get the job but I was "one white guy out". As in, they had a quota system for new hires. It seemed like quite the travesty that I had missed out on a job due to "state sponsored racism".

Later in 95 when the plant my wife and I worked at closed, I was unable to send my two oldest children to collage because Melody and I had made too much money in the preceding years to qualify for aid. However, our black friends were still able to send their kids to collage because of some kind of aid white people weren't eligible for.

Racism is racism, and in spite of always having done the right thing, I've been victimized by racism twice.

When I was young, if you hated racism and believed in personal freedom you were labeled a liberal. Now, the liberals support "state sponsored racism" and if you beleive in a "color blind" society you are a conservative or libertarian.

My labels have changed, but my values never have, and never will.

[Paxton]

In our City, 911 dispatchers get frequent calls for responding to "there is a Black man walking down my street...
please send a Police Officer to check on him..." and other variations of that theme.
A sad commentary.

[FryeVRCCDS0067]

In our City, 911 dispatchers get frequent calls for responding to "there is a Black man walking down my street...
please send a Police Officer to check on him..." and other variations of that theme.
A sad commentary.

Things don't change much I guess. When I was a teenager a buddy of mine who was black knocked on my door to see if I was home. My Mom, opened the door, and screamed. They both felt bad about it but it was funny. 

[Paxton]

QUOTE: "... our black friends were still able to send their kids to collage because of some kind of aid
white people weren't eligible for."

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FryeVRCCDS0067;
I am sorry to learn about your life experiences with "reverse discrimination."

Please note that, by law (State & Federal), no government aid program can discriminate against you
on the basis of race or "quotas."

This is one area that the USDOJ and the USDOL fiercely monitors and acts upon.
Mind you, this has been so since 1964 for the private sector and since 1972 for public entities.
1978 was another year wherein "protected categories" were expanded to include Pregnancy.

Moreover, enforcement activity has been aggressive whether under Democratic or Republican administrations.

I am not implying that nobody ever told you that you were discriminated against (in violation of the law).
I am just saying that perhaps you were unclear about your rights; or that like me,
you chose not to pursue the complaint route.

Been a person of color, I have experienced first hand many discriminatory actions from multiple employers
on hiring, firing, promotions, punishments and rewards. I know the feeling.

I was always aware of my rights, but filing a complaint was not a part of my strategy for success.

Put race aside for a minute.
In America's corporate culture, anyone who files a complaint for ANY REASON against his/her employer,
he/she gets branded as "damaged cargo."
In spite of your competence, your stock in the company drops like a led balloon...

You get to find out who your real friends are. Shortly after you file an application elsewhere,
that company "learns all about you.".

My winning strategy was to "roll with the punches... to "rope-a-dope."
I can now say that the strategy worked, at least for me.

As for the distasteful memories, they won't go away. But I choose not to dwell on them.
It could have been a lot worse!

"What happens is fact, not truth. Truth is what we think about what happens."
Robert McKee

[ComradBlack]

But, suppose that by the end of this century the Chinese would be the world's only super(ior) power. 
In my way of thinking, notwithstanding such superior achievements and worldwide power, I would not conclude that the Chinese (Mongoloids)
are superior beings than Caucasians or Negroids... yada, yada yada... ???

I appreciate the respectful character of our discussion. I am still open to further listening to and further consider your points of view.

I would agree with your conclusion that I underlined.

As can be pointed out in my premise that societies are not equal.
I never made the claim that "White People" were superior.

It would be a fallacy of logic (Non causa pro causa) to jump to the conclusion from that premise that races are not equal or capable of building a superior society in their own time frame.

But it still stands that it appears racist to state the fact that ...  "White people built a superior society"

[G-Man]

But, suppose that by the end of this century the Chinese would be the world's only super(ior) power. 
In my way of thinking, notwithstanding such superior achievements and worldwide power, I would not conclude that the Chinese (Mongoloids)
are superior beings than Caucasians or Negroids... yada, yada yada... ???

I appreciate the respectful character of our discussion. I am still open to further listening to and further consider your points of view.

I would agree with your conclusion that I underlined.

As can be pointed out in my premise that societies are not equal.
I never made the claim that "White People" were superior.

It would be a fallacy of logic (Non causa pro causa) to jump to the conclusion from that premise that races are not equal or capable of building a superior society in their own time frame.

But it still stands that it appears racist to state the fact that ...  "White people built a superior society"

Not if it's true and can be proven.  If the information is factual, that one entity out performed another at the same task, should be perfectly OK to state so.

I said should because the receiver of the information is where the translation of the information takes place.  It is at this point where the information is deemed "offensive' or "oppressive". 

[ComradBlack]

Not if it's true and can be proven.  If the information is factual, that one entity out performed another at the same task, should be perfectly OK to state so.

I said should because the receiver of the information is where the translation of the information takes place.  It is at this point where the information is deemed "offensive' or "oppressive". 

I agree.

[Paxton]

ComradBlack;
I obviously "misread" your premise and approached the issue from a different angle.

In reading your statement again, I now understand your point clearer.
I agree that you never said that white people were superior.

Anything I might have written that infers otherwise is invalid and I can see clearer now. I apologize for my error.

QUOTE: "... But it still stands that it appears racist to state the fact that ...  "White people built a superior society."

I agree that it may appear racist to some, but on your point, Racism would be in the eye of the beholder.
Your statement, as I see it is not racist.

Again I appreciate your maturity in presenting AND clarifying your views. I think we are on the same page.

Respectfully.

 

[art]

A Bigot is a HD rider that thinks anyone that doesn't ride the same brand is a lesser being.

A Racist is a Valkyrie rider that can't stand that HD Bigot and races up on the HD rider harasses his sorry ass and then passes him like he was standing still.

I race'em and beat'em. Call me a Valkyrie Racist!!!  

Me too .There are a lot of HD riders that I would like to run off the road.But I would not

[ComradBlack]

ComradBlack;
I obviously "misread" your premise and approached the issue from a different angle.

In reading your statement again, I now understand your point clearer.
I agree that you never said that white people were superior.

Anything I might have written that infers otherwise is invalid and I can see clearer now. I apologize for my error.

QUOTE: "... But it still stands that it appears racist to state the fact that ...  "White people built a superior society."

I agree that it may appear racist to some, but on your point, Racism would be in the eye of the beholder.
Your statement, as I see it is not racist.

Again I appreciate your maturity in presenting AND clarifying your views. I think we are on the same page.

Respectfully.

 

I do write in a provocative manner.

Godspeed Paxton