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« Reply #40 on: July 23, 2012, 12:08:50 PM » |
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Well... she hasn't been back to reply to any of the interactions given. I think, for the most part, we are all in agreement on the topic with a couple of, on the fence, people. To the original poster, if you are still sitting back and reading... good luck in life.
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« Reply #41 on: July 23, 2012, 12:28:18 PM » |
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NRA President Charlton Heston said it best for me...You can have my guns when you pry them from my cold dead hands.
What happened in Colorado is a tragedy, but so would draconian gun control. Thank God our fore fathers had enough sense to put it in the bill of rights.
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« Reply #42 on: July 23, 2012, 12:44:45 PM » |
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I have an 8 year old Granddaughter. She is quite mischievous and curious. I take her and her some day soon step brother out to the gun range every time I can. The Boy has gun on the brain from video games. I decided they needed an education about guns. I am quite confident that both of those kids are gun safe. They know how to handle a gun, hand guns included. So if they do "find" a gun... A. It won't be a big curiosity draw because they are quite used to them. 2) They know the proper safe use and would never even think of pointing it at someone. Kids that "find" guns and have no training are going to pick it up. Kids that "find" guns and have a background in video games don't have much of a concept of the noise, kick, and deadly consequences that come with it. In video games you get more lives, not so in the real world. And yes, when the kids come to our house all the guns are properly stored. The kids know that too. This really is a STUPID topic. Cars kill thousands of teens every year. The solution isn't to outlaw cars for everyone. Even though it would be more effective than trying to ban guns. Hard to hide your illegal crown vic!  Lets not even talk about how many people have died in fires related to Christmas decorations!! |
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« Reply #43 on: July 23, 2012, 02:16:27 PM » |
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Too bad were not sensitive enough for you. Youre likely to encounter Real Men here.
How many hunters and how many hunting accidents?
Remember the New Life Church in Coloradio Springs in 2007?
Didnt work out so well for the nut who had the same intentions. Met a lady(!) who CCW.
No sucha thing as a "Bad guy gun free zone".
This idiot wanted to go out in a blaze of glory.
Drag him behind a train.
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« Reply #44 on: July 23, 2012, 02:32:50 PM » |
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« Reply #45 on: July 23, 2012, 03:56:41 PM » |
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I seem to remember soapbabie posted a similar post back during the aftermath of another gun violence murder rampage.
maybe virgina tech?
I'm cursed or blessed with a good long term memory.....
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« Reply #46 on: July 23, 2012, 04:12:42 PM » |
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« Reply #47 on: July 23, 2012, 06:31:40 PM » |
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Well, what is sad is that you are leaving. Yes its sad what happened in Co........however, people do bad things, and no law can stop people that want to do bad things from finding a way. Those of us that believe in the 2nd ammendment as a right that was given by God and the founding fathers to be able to protect the livelyhood of law abiding citizens from an oppressive government or a radical criminal know, its just one more tool that the unique freedom still available in this country affords them that would stand up and defend themselves or someone else.
What did God have to do with it?Keep religion out of it.By the way I'm for keeping guns the hell with the UNI very much understand your point of view, but dont really feel a tear for your broken heart. That is your drama not mine
I for one care about the lives lost in the shooting, but care more about them that would take away freedom in this country by wrongly exploiting this tragedy as thier justification. more lives and liberty would be lost than was taken in Colorado this last week
Stay or go, thats your choice......just dont blame us, its youre choice
Art...first off please learn how to post after a quote.....looks like you added words to my statement.....I dont like it Second who said anything about religion. Im sick and tired of every time God is mentioned its a religious problem......Religions are man made.......you are right religion has nothing to do with this Third you might try reading the Declaration of Independence to see what God has to do with it: "When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation. We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness." I did not mean to offend you I just don't like it when someone always brings up the name of God.Men wrote the declaration of independance not God.By the way I do know how to post I just made a mistake.Did you ever make a mistake? |
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« Reply #48 on: July 23, 2012, 06:57:30 PM » |
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I do agree that guns kill people. L'd rather kill someone in my own defense or in defense of my blood family and or those that Ichoose to be my extended family. My wife is a better shot than me though. |
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Xtracho
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« Reply #49 on: July 23, 2012, 08:27:32 PM » |
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Well, what is sad is that you are leaving. Yes its sad what happened in Co........however, people do bad things, and no law can stop people that want to do bad things from finding a way. Those of us that believe in the 2nd ammendment as a right that was given by God and the founding fathers to be able to protect the livelyhood of law abiding citizens from an oppressive government or a radical criminal know, its just one more tool that the unique freedom still available in this country affords them that would stand up and defend themselves or someone else.
What did God have to do with it?Keep religion out of it.By the way I'm for keeping guns the hell with the UNI very much understand your point of view, but dont really feel a tear for your broken heart. That is your drama not mine
I for one care about the lives lost in the shooting, but care more about them that would take away freedom in this country by wrongly exploiting this tragedy as thier justification. more lives and liberty would be lost than was taken in Colorado this last week
Stay or go, thats your choice......just dont blame us, its youre choice
Art...first off please learn how to post after a quote.....looks like you added words to my statement.....I dont like it Second who said anything about religion. Im sick and tired of every time God is mentioned its a religious problem......Religions are man made.......you are right religion has nothing to do with this Third you might try reading the Declaration of Independence to see what God has to do with it: "When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation. We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness." I did not mean to offend you I just don't like it when someone always brings up the name of God.Men wrote the declaration of independance not God.By the way I do know how to post I just made a mistake.Did you ever make a mistake? Man....so touchy! I would think that if someone is going to rip on you about learning how to post they'd at least clean up their own. Poor grammar, horrible spelling, and atrocious punctuation...enough to make any English teacher commit suicide. |
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« Reply #50 on: July 24, 2012, 04:54:35 AM » |
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Man....so touchy! I would think that if someone is going to rip on you about learning how to post they'd at least clean up their own. Poor grammar, horrible spelling, and atrocious punctuation...enough to make any English teacher commit suicide.
and your point would be........doesnt really seem to be your biz...but then some just like to stir things up........punctuation is so 1980's anyway Yes I am touchy when people try to cut God out his rightful place....seems like every where lately......so I will stand by my statement and continue to use multiple periods or no periods.....if it bothers you, you are welcomed to let me know, but I cant seem to see how my comment back to art is any concern of yours |
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« Reply #51 on: July 24, 2012, 05:10:09 AM » |
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I did not mean to offend you I just don't like it when someone always brings up the name of God.Men wrote the declaration of independance not God.By the way I do know how to post I just made a mistake.Did you ever make a mistake? Oh ya I have made mistakes, and I have made posting errors worse than yours.......The bad ones (like yours) I go back and fix Yes, men wrote the Declaration of Independence. Men, believing that the dangerous and very important task they were undertaking was not only the right thing to do for themselves but that God himself ordained that men have the the right to their life and freedom, and so God would bless their efforts......AND HE DID. I believe that too.....it is part of what has made America great Those that want to cut God out dont understand that building this country "UNDER GOD" is part of our heritage. You dont have to believe in God.....that is well stated, you are free to believe whatever you want I just dont understand why those that choose not to believe have to erradicate all mentioning of God in public and deny the fact that our great constitution and founding documents were created by a divers group of men......yes they were of different RELIGIONS" but they shared the idea that God was leading them to do something phenominal and they gave due credit to God and recognized that we all are free to worship however we believe. So people that get offended at the mention of God are the ones that are over sensitive in my book. You would probably want to take the mention of God out of the Declaration........well.......its not your man given or God given right to change history God is very patient with us personally and with America as a nation......If he werent wed all be destroyed by now because of how far we have come from blessing God for the great opportunity he led the forfathers to create.... I just wish even you could hold in higher regard those facts |
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« Reply #52 on: July 24, 2012, 06:00:30 AM » |
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I'm a pretty big fan of the big man BUT:
"men wrote the Declaration of Independence"
"founding documents were created by a divers(e) group of men"
these are facts, everything else is faith. I believe there is a place in our world for faith, just not in our government.
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« Reply #53 on: July 24, 2012, 06:47:12 AM » |
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I'm a pretty big fan of the big man BUT:
"men wrote the Declaration of Independence"
"founding documents were created by a divers(e) group of men"
these are facts, everything else is faith. I believe there is a place in our world for faith, just not in our government.
I thought there was an e......(didnt look right at the time) lol You have every right to your beliefs......I respect that More facts: The founders of the nation credited God with the origin of many concepts the Country was built upon. The Word of God was woven into official proceedings as was prayer......heck the Capitol Building was the biggest church in DC at one point (for several years) Presidents were preachers and many people were saved and baptized in the Capitol building and that was not considered a violation of seperation of Church and State because even though Faith was being practiced in the State building...it wasnt mandatory and it wasnt being touted as a "State Religion" Far cry from what we hold to be reasonable now.....what a shame |
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« Reply #54 on: July 24, 2012, 06:56:13 AM » |
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Chris: i don't believe that the any religion should be part of our government. but i also do not believe that our govt should be part of religion.
practicing religion on govt property is a long standing and accepted part of our lives. I have no problem with that and am offended when people try to stop it or remove symbols that are in place.
that being said i am pro gun, pro choice, pro USA. I don't want anti-religion people controlling my govt. I don't want any church controlling my govt.
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« Reply #55 on: July 24, 2012, 07:00:55 AM » |
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Chris: i don't believe that the any religion should be part of our government. but i also do not believe that our govt should be part of religion.
practicing religion on govt property is a long standing and accepted part of our lives. I have no problem with that and am offended when people try to stop it or remove symbols that are in place.
that being said i am pro gun, pro choice, pro USA. I don't want anti-religion people controlling my govt. I don't want any church controlling my govt.
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Sergeant D
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« Reply #56 on: July 24, 2012, 07:04:45 AM » |
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I'm with you Chrisj. If people actually take the time to read about our "American" history for the "whole" story, they wil find out for themselves. Those that just read the Constitution at face value will never understand the "intent" of our fore fathers and continue to press for seperation of Church and State and not understand they wanted to avoid a State Sponsored Religion. Everyone is entitled to own opinions, just don't dilute the facts to better suite your opinion. Off my soapbox now. That is why I love the VRCC, we can agree to disagree and still ride together.
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« Reply #57 on: July 24, 2012, 07:10:08 AM » |
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I've spent quite a few hours reading the constitution and the bill of rights and can find no where it dictates a separation of church and state.
now it private letters by some of our founding father there is mention of this once or twice,but it was never codified or even a enforceable precedence.
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Xtracho
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« Reply #58 on: July 24, 2012, 07:39:01 AM » |
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My father was a minister for over 40 years and before that served this country in WWII as a Chaplain. He always said that "Religion is like dancing...we're all dancing to the same music just each with a different step". To me that pretty much summed it up.
If I'm not wrong, and I usually am (just ask my wife), escaping state sponsored religion was a major reason so many took the risky journey across the pond to colonize here. Diversity in all aspects is a major reason we are the greatest country on the planet. And that applies to religion as well. Although it may not be specifically stated in the Constitution, the inference is there. Separation of Church and State.
One of the greatest gifts, if not the greatest, endowed upon us by God was the gift of free will. We are each born with it and how we choose to exercise it is our choice. And that applies to all aspects of our lives. I prefer to believe that our forefathers knew that. And our Constitution affirms that gift and the freedom for each and everyone of us to exercise it.
Did that make sense? I don't know cause I'm going crazy here in Brazil.
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« Reply #59 on: July 24, 2012, 08:48:22 AM » |
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"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
Don't see anything about separation?
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« Reply #60 on: July 24, 2012, 09:01:45 AM » |
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"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
Don't see anything about separation?
Absolutely right Tank. The ones tht have misused the "seperation" idea have it in there head that we have to lock God out of government buildings. When the whole intent was to make it illegal for the government to prohibit or mandate religion in any way. |
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« Reply #61 on: July 24, 2012, 09:08:50 AM » |
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"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
Don't see anything about separation?
I don't see it either. If anything I see it as guaranteeing the right to practice ones religion, no matter what that religion may be. The "Freedom from Religion" foundation troubles me greatly, because they are attempting to "Squash" everyones right to "Believe" in the God of their choice. What I find ironic is that the very people who so vehemently protest against others rights to practice their religious beliefs would be screaming the loudest if someone were attempting to squash the "Free Speech" portion of this same amendment. |
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« Reply #62 on: July 24, 2012, 09:31:54 AM » |
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Can't believe I'm allowing myself to get drawn into this, and find it funny how we went from guns to religion in public places but...
For those arguing in favor of allowing religious observations from government facilities, please keep a few things in mind:
Once set, a precedent is hard to overcome.
The percentage of Americans that are Christian is rapidly declining (86% in 1990, 76% by 2008).
If the precedent is set that it's okay for a judge to post the Christian 10 commandments, or have a Christian nativity scene on government property, that means your children, grandchildren or great grandchildren will have to accept a judge that has إن شاء الله written on a large plaque in his courtroom, or accept minarets broadcasting the call to prayer from government property. (Using Islam as one example, but if we allow any, we have to allow all)
Best to not let that precedent be set at all. Allow religion to do what it wants to do on it's property, and government to do what it wants to do with it's, but keep the two apart, if for no other reason than some day, YOUR god won't be the one worshiped by someone in government and you'll have to accept their display in a place you really don't wanna be subsidizing.
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« Reply #63 on: July 24, 2012, 09:40:50 AM » |
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Can't believe I'm allowing myself to get drawn into this, and find it funny how we went from guns to religion in public places but...
For those arguing in favor of allowing religious observations from government facilities, please keep a few things in mind:
Once set, a precedent is hard to overcome.
The percentage of Americans that are Christian is rapidly declining (86% in 1990, 76% by 2008).
If the precedent is set that it's okay for a judge to post the Christian 10 commandments, or have a Christian nativity scene on government property, that means your children, grandchildren or great grandchildren will have to accept a judge that has إن شاء الله written on a large plaque in his courtroom, or accept minarets broadcasting the call to prayer from government property. (Using Islam as one example, but if we allow any, we have to allow all)
Best to not let that precedent be set at all. Allow religion to do what it wants to do on it's property, and government to do what it wants to do with it's, but keep the two apart, if for no other reason than some day, YOUR god won't be the one worshiped by someone in government and you'll have to accept their display in a place you really don't wanna be subsidizing.
One problem........America was not founded on the principles of Islam.......We dont have to accept that as a Nation.......people in America are free to believe it it, but America as an institution as not built on it nor should we incorporate it into the fabric of our government in any way shape or form. |
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« Reply #64 on: July 24, 2012, 09:43:31 AM » |
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christian/judeo religious symbols are everywhere on govt buildings. hell the Moses and the 10 commandments are part of the upper frieze on the supreme court building
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« Reply #65 on: July 24, 2012, 09:51:21 AM » |
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Can't believe I'm allowing myself to get drawn into this, and find it funny how we went from guns to religion in public places but...
For those arguing in favor of allowing religious observations from government facilities, please keep a few things in mind:
Once set, a precedent is hard to overcome.
The percentage of Americans that are Christian is rapidly declining (86% in 1990, 76% by 2008).
If the precedent is set that it's okay for a judge to post the Christian 10 commandments, or have a Christian nativity scene on government property, that means your children, grandchildren or great grandchildren will have to accept a judge that has إن شاء الله written on a large plaque in his courtroom, or accept minarets broadcasting the call to prayer from government property. (Using Islam as one example, but if we allow any, we have to allow all)
Best to not let that precedent be set at all. Allow religion to do what it wants to do on it's property, and government to do what it wants to do with it's, but keep the two apart, if for no other reason than some day, YOUR god won't be the one worshiped by someone in government and you'll have to accept their display in a place you really don't wanna be subsidizing.
Serk, I have used that same argument many times. And on the surface, logic would seem that it is correct. However, Where it has led us is to the point where people are demanding that "God" shouldn't be mentioned in public at all. People in this country are and should be free to worship the God of their choosing or to NOT worship God if they so choose. I have no problem with that, What I do have a problem with is people telling me that I cannot recognize or worship MY God in a public place. Just maybe if we weren't so busy "Throwing" God out of so many places there wouldn't be a decline in worship. Maybe, we shouldn't concern ourselves with the increase in other religions.... Maybe, we should concern ourselves with the worship our God and just.... "Let God be.................. God". |
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« Reply #67 on: July 24, 2012, 02:19:19 PM » |
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I'm a pretty big fan of the big man BUT:
"men wrote the Declaration of Independence"
"founding documents were created by a divers(e) group of men"
these are facts, everything else is faith. I believe there is a place in our world for faith, just not in our government.
I agree with that. I remember reading many years ago that only one of the original seven founding fathers was a Christian. I think it was John Jay. The rest were Deists that did not believe the Bible was true. Also remember in that same book reading about a treaty that was drafted and signed during Washington's presidency that expressly stated the United States was not founded on the Christian religion. It was a very interesting book. I'll have to look it up when I get home from Brazil |
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« Reply #68 on: July 24, 2012, 02:26:49 PM » |
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I'm a pretty big fan of the big man BUT:
"men wrote the Declaration of Independence"
"founding documents were created by a divers(e) group of men"
these are facts, everything else is faith. I believe there is a place in our world for faith, just not in our government.
I agree with that. I remember reading many years ago that only one of the original seven founding fathers was a Christian. I think it was John Jay. The rest were Deists that did not believe the Bible was true. Also remember in that same book reading about a treaty that was drafted and signed during Washington's presidency that expressly stated the United States was not founded on the Christian religion. It was a very interesting book. I'll have to look it up when I get home from Brazil Must be intersting fiction.........For one thing Christianity is not a religion. Most of us posting on this have already stated that religion has nothing to do with the discussion and no religion should be influencing the government just as no government should be influencing religion. What the founding fathers obviously agreed upon was that there is a God and that God has ordained that men should be free and have the power to insure and maintain that freedom. PERIOD |
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« Reply #69 on: July 24, 2012, 02:52:39 PM » |
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I'm a pretty big fan of the big man BUT:
"men wrote the Declaration of Independence"
"founding documents were created by a divers(e) group of men"
these are facts, everything else is faith. I believe there is a place in our world for faith, just not in our government.
I agree with that. I remember reading many years ago that only one of the original seven founding fathers was a Christian. I think it was John Jay. The rest were Deists that did not believe the Bible was true. Also remember in that same book reading about a treaty that was drafted and signed during Washington's presidency that expressly stated the United States was not founded on the Christian religion. It was a very interesting book. I'll have to look it up when I get home from Brazil Must be intersting fiction.........For one thing Christianity is not a religion. Most of us posting on this have already stated that religion has nothing to do with the discussion and no religion should be influencing the government just as no government should be influencing religion. What the founding fathers obviously agreed upon was that there is a God and that God has ordained that men should be free and have the power to insure and maintain that freedom. PERIOD Fiction? Hardly. Funny thing...Merriam-Webster disagrees with you on the question of Christianity as a religion or not. Further, do a little research and you'll find that that all but one of the original forefathers were Deists. I have no doubt that God is a significant part of the fabric of this country. I'm all for it. I'm as pro-gun, pro-freedom, pro-america as you can get. But I'm not going to distort history to buffer my position. |
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« Reply #70 on: July 24, 2012, 03:19:28 PM » |
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Funny thing...Merriam-Webster disagrees with you on the question of Christianity as a religion or not. Merriam and Webster are just a couple of humans with limited knowledge. God had the most problems with the religious people. A country cannot be christian, a church cannot be christian and a religion cannot be christian because what it takes to be a Christian is a relationship with God through Jesus Christ. And anyone of any religion can have that relationship and anyone of any religion can go to church as many times as they want, but without that relationship they are just religious, not Christian....doesnt matter one bit what some dictionary says. God, his word, prayer, and the understanding that freedom to worship God as you see fit is so basic to life itself and the founding of America, the founding fathers made sure it was part of the fabric of the new nation. They risked their very life to give us what some take so lightly. |
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« Reply #71 on: July 24, 2012, 04:00:55 PM » |
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I stand corrected again |
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« Reply #72 on: July 24, 2012, 04:59:23 PM » |
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I can agree with that Chris....no problem. That relationship is so personal and private that it is up to each and everyone of us to culture it if we so desire. That was what I meant about the gift of free will with which we were endowed. I hold no reservations that this nation exists under the principles of God, I just question if it was the intent of the forefathers for it to be as such. I don't assume to understand everything...hell I think I'd rather have it that way. I'm just a dumb boat Captain and happy as hell to be here.  |
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« Reply #73 on: July 24, 2012, 05:22:11 PM » |
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OSTA-LA-VISTA BABY!!!!!!!!
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« Reply #74 on: July 25, 2012, 05:26:45 AM » |
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Just the other day, I heard about the truck in Texas that had 23 people crammed in it. The truck crashed and 10 people were killed and 13 injured. Maybe we should outlaw trucks.
People kill people. They will use what ever is at hand. It cannot be avoided. Placing blame on inanimate objects as the cause of an incident is refusing to acknowledge huuman behaviour.
I have a concealed carry permit because I do not trust everyone to act appropriately.
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