New Polks, & Pyle Amp Sound Sucks

[F7daved]

Hi All well after reading about updating interstate speakers, and a pyle marine 4 channel 400 watt amp i figured i would give it a shot, well unless i did something wrong, the sound sucks. I didn't have rear speakers, so I ordered the amp, and rear speaker wiring from electrical connections. I followed the honda wiring diagram to make sure the speakers are wired correctly. Any Ideas ??????

[tank_post142]

your sending 100 amps through those tiny speakers? 

[Momz]

Unless you have some really killer speakers, and they'd be hard to find to fit the Valkyrie, you dont need that many amps.

Try this Amp:http://www.autotoys.com/x/product.php?productid=4593#tabs

[BF]

Hi All well after reading about updating interstate speakers, and a pyle marine 4 channel 400 watt amp i figured i would give it a shot, well unless i did something wrong, the sound sucks. I didn't have rear speakers, so I ordered the amp, and rear speaker wiring from electrical connections. I followed the honda wiring diagram to make sure the speakers are wired correctly. Any Ideas ??????

I hate to ask the obvious, but are you sure you have the amp powered and on?

btw......which Pyle amp did you get?  I'm still looking at amps (something that will fit in my Woody fairing) and I'm still looking for suggestions.  Here's a link where I've gotten some advice, but I'm still not sure which way to go yet.....

http://www.valkyrieforum.com/bbs/index.php/topic,42458.0.html

I've been looking at these lately....

http://www.amazon.com/Rockford-Fosgate-PBR300X4-Compact-Amplifier/dp/B004T163SY/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1343766475&sr=1-1&keywords=PBR300X4-300

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rockford-Fosgate-PBR300X4-300-Watt-RMS-BRT-Mono-Car-Amplifier-NEW-/110927388214?pt=Car_Amplifiers&hash=item19d3c99e36

http://www.amazon.com/KTP-445U-Alpine-4-Channel-4-Ohms-Amplifier/dp/B00866IQ2Y

http://www.ebay.com/itm/ALPINE-KTP-445U-180W-CAR-AUDIO-4-CHANNEL-HEAD-UNIT-POWER-AMPLIFIER-BRAND-NEW-/271027230041?pt=Car_Amplifiers&hash=item3f1a7b5559

[Gavin_Sons]

Turn the gain way down. I have a 300 watt rockford on my polk speakers and had to turn the gain almost all the way down to get a good loud sound out of them. Polks are only rated for 135 watts each. Not sure what factory speakers are rated for. Maybe half of the polks

[F7daved]

So tank says tiny little speakers, even though there rated for 135 amp???  There are a few other guys that have run this system before. I will turn the gain down next. And yes the amp is powered on. There's a red light that indicates its powered up.

[dreamchaser]

You also need to make sure that the ohms of the amp match the speakers (some amps have a switch so you can change the ohms) and that the speaker + & - are the same on all speakers, or it will not sound right.  Watts is what the speakers use, and the amp is where they come from.........you are not using 100 or 135 amps.  If you were using 135 amps, the whole thing would go up in sparks and smoke!  (just thought I would point that out)

[jimmytee]

It's really doubtful that you'd hurt the speakers with too many watts. Especially from that amp. I'd even bet that the amps true RMS continuous power is nowhere near 100 watts per channel. Speakers distort and are blown by notenough power more often than too much.
BF remote mount a good amp in one of your saddlebags. Most head units boast of power ratings around 50 watts but in reality only put out 16 to 20 real RMS wattage. There has been little control on how electronics companies tout their wattage measurements. You have to seek the small print to find the real power ratings if they even give it. Those othef ratings are based on peak power under very controlled circumstances and optimistic projections at best. Not real world performance.

[F7daved]

I was very skeptical about buying a 400 watt amp that cost $50.00, but after seeing a couple guys on the site use this set up i thought it my be well.  WRONG  Junk

[BF]

It's really doubtful that you'd hurt the speakers with too many watts. Especially from that amp. I'd even bet that the amps true RMS continuous power is nowhere near 100 watts per channel. Speakers distort and are blown by notenough power more often than too much.
BF remote mount a good amp in one of your saddlebags. Most head units boast of power ratings around 50 watts but in reality only put out 16 to 20 real RMS wattage. There has been little control on how electronics companies tout their wattage measurements. You have to seek the small print to find the real power ratings if they even give it. Those othef ratings are based on peak power under very controlled circumstances and optimistic projections at best. Not real world performance.

I know it's an option and alot of people do, but I don't really want to mount one in the bags as there are times when the bags won't be on the bike and the fairing will be.  That's why I'm wanting to mount an amp in the fairing. 

[jimmytee]

F7Daved, I don't know about the Pyle amp personally, but they are low dollar audio equipment. A real 100 watt x 4 channel amp will have some size and heft to it. There are new digital amps that are smaller. What is the m# for this amp? How do you have it wired? Are you using the high impedance inputs (RCA jacks) or are you using the low( speaker output from source ie speaker wire leads from a radio etc...)?

[fordmano]

Only from my personal experience on my I/S... I installed the Pyle 400watt amp and the Polk Speakers front and rear,,, no issue at all sound was greatly improved from stock, volume is much higher and clearer. No problem hearing all the way up over 120mph.

You know sometimes things are made on Mondays and Fridays and they just are junk due to a hung over or not attentive employee building or running the machinery,, Did you install the housings/baffles in the fairing back as they were stock over the speakers. Are you 10000000% sure of your wiring? Did you use low quality wire? Did you use the original speaker wire?

Sure wish you were closer so you could hear mine, and or compare the installation...

[fordmano]

your sending 100 amps through those tiny speakers? 

WATTS, not AMPS, there is a HUGE difference. Sorry not picking on ya just trying to help keep information clear.

[Davet261]

It's really doubtful that you'd hurt the speakers with too many watts. Especially from that amp. I'd even bet that the amps true RMS continuous power is nowhere near 100 watts per channel. Speakers distort and are blown by notenough power more often than too much.
BF remote mount a good amp in one of your saddlebags. Most head units boast of power ratings around 50 watts but in reality only put out 16 to 20 real RMS wattage. There has been little control on how electronics companies tout their wattage measurements. You have to seek the small print to find the real power ratings if they even give it. Those othef ratings are based on peak power under very controlled circumstances and optimistic projections at best. Not real world performance.

You can and you will blow your speakers (I blew 2 sets) if they are not rated as high as your amp push, take it from me, i've already been down that road.  If you do a search on me you will find posts I done on here on speakers and amps, I learned the hard way.  If you buy cheap speakers and amp you will not be happy with the results.  You get what you pay for.

[jimmytee]

Davet.
I didn't say it wasn't possible, just doubtful. I don't know how cheep of speaker he's using. I stand by ehat I said about more likely to blow speakers with too little power than too much. I don't know  the specifics of your experience. I have been doing the audio enthusiast  thing,  home, auto and some professional for many,many moons. Distortion kills speakers. Distortion is most often caused from the apmlifiers inability to adequately control the drivers in the speaker. There is a causal relationship between both speaker and amplifier.That being said, if you can drive a speaker with too many watts beyond its ratings and at high enough volume it is possible to surpass the speakers limits and blow the speaker.

[Davet261]

Davet.
I didn't say it wasn't possible, just doubtful. I don't know how cheep of speaker he's using. I stand by ehat I said about more likely to blow speakers with too little power than too much. I don't know  the specifics of your experience. I have been doing the audio enthusiast  thing,  home, auto and some professional for many,many moons. Distortion kills speakers. Distortion is most often caused from the apmlifiers inability to adequately control the drivers in the speaker. There is a causal relationship between both speaker and amplifier.That being said, if you can drive a speaker with too many watts beyond its ratings and at high enough volume it is possible to surpass the speakers limits and blow the speaker.

Here is a post I did last year.  I learned the hard way (2 amps/6 speakers later)  I am not doubting what you say, but  this has been my experience tho..

http://www.valkyrieforum.com/bbs/index.php/topic,34190.msg316773.html#msg316773

[jimmytee]

Davet,
I read your post, you ended up with a "Pioneer" system? Much more likely too,that with a name like Pioneer you got much better quality. The amp is probably more realistically rated. Changes in the tone controls can help with distortion.The smaller drivers usually found on bikes are not going to like too much low frequency info coming their way. You can control these things though. Having 200 watts rated amp to a 100 watt rated speaker will not blow it . You still have control with the volume and the gain control on most amps. The added ability of the amp will just be there for extra control when the demand of the material being reproduced requires it. An under powered amp will clip and distortion will occur. When this clipping happens tweeters blow woofers flutter and speakers can be damaged. An amp being used well beyond its abilities will cause damage to good speakers.Cheap ones all the more.