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I have seen mentioned several times on this board that EBC pads were not good with stock rotors.. I just want to reaffirm this for any who may not take that seriously. My bike has 43K on it,,, I have put under 3K of that on the machine. I noticed a lip on the front rotors, so I miked them out.. Right at the minimum limit,,, about .160,, checked the pads,,, EBC.. Does this sound right for this combination of parts??? or did the PO just ride the front brake all the time???
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« Reply #1 on: August 25, 2013, 03:54:52 PM » |
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I cannot speak to EBC (I won't run them with OE rotors because the of the same reports you mention), but my rotors are lipped pretty good on the outside edge at 77K with only Honda pads. I think the bike with 46K has a little lipping too, also only with Honda pads.
I think the EBCs just do it faster (and perhaps not just lipping).
I don't ride my front brakes, but I do use them .
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« Reply #2 on: August 25, 2013, 03:55:18 PM » |
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PO owner may have been heavy handed. However, the rotors may have been ground or turned down, difficult but possible. On my 97 Valk I'm using EBC organic pads and stock rotors with absolutely no problems.
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« Reply #3 on: August 25, 2013, 04:16:18 PM » |
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I had ebc pads destroy a good set of rotors on a Goldwing. I use Honda pads and had 140000 miles before changing out rotors. NO to ebc, not for me.
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« Reply #4 on: August 25, 2013, 05:02:30 PM » |
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I think the EBCs just do it faster (and perhaps not just lipping).
Well, the brakes certainly do work well,,,,,,,, but I am not going along with the rotors being ground down at at 43K.... Going to save my pennies up for stock pads when I change rotors. |
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« Reply #5 on: August 25, 2013, 05:45:45 PM » |
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I have seen mentioned several times on this board that EBC pads were not good with stock rotors.. I just want to reaffirm this for any who may not take that seriously. My bike has 43K on it,,, I have put under 3K of that on the machine. I noticed a lip on the front rotors, so I miked them out.. Right at the minimum limit,,, about .160,, checked the pads,,, EBC.. Does this sound right for this combination of parts??? or did the PO just ride the front brake all the time???
It's important to note that when people have had compatibility issues between OEM and EBC rotor/pad combinations ( I was one,) it was with sintered metallic pads. Organic pads (Kevlar) don't wear rotors excessively in any combination, but don't have the same initial "bite" as sintered pads unless they are already heated up. OEM pads are sintered metallic. EBC sells both. I believe the cheap sets on ebay are almost always organic. |
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« Reply #6 on: August 25, 2013, 05:53:59 PM » |
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Had EBC on my '97 when I bought it (sintered metallic). Loved the way they grabbed but hated the sound. No rotor damage but not sure how long they were in. Not long judging from the wear. I decided to play it safe and swapped them out for OEM.
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« Reply #7 on: August 25, 2013, 06:07:21 PM » |
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My brother who owned the Valk before me used the EBC cheap pads. It was what the tire shop in Pasadena put on for him while they were "in there". Anyway, I replaced them at 80,000 miles with GoldWing rotors. At the time they were 150 dollars cheaper. They look a little different, but I figured if it would stop a GoldWing, they were good enough for my Valk. Hay  Jimmyt |
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« Reply #8 on: August 25, 2013, 08:33:03 PM » |
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My brother who owned the Valk before me used the EBC cheap pads. It was what the tire shop in Pasadena put on for him while they were "in there". Anyway, I replaced them at 80,000 miles with GoldWing rotors. At the time they were 150 dollars cheaper. They look a little different, but I figured if it would stop a GoldWing, they were good enough for my Valk. Hay Jimmyt hey Hay, what year wing rotors will fit these bikes??? |
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« Reply #9 on: August 26, 2013, 01:53:30 PM » |
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Pay attention to what Valkpilot says. You'll hear a lot of riders just out of hand claim that EBC pads with destroy OEM rotors. It's not the brand, but the content. Mt Standard has run EBC pads on OEM rotors and currently has 170,000 miles on the original rotors. In all fairness, the front rotors will need to be replaced in the foreseeable future. It's the miles, not the brand.  |
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« Reply #10 on: August 26, 2013, 05:02:43 PM » |
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Ok, I got it,,, it is the composition of the pads that cause the rapid wear.
I wonder if the Honda sintered pads wear the rotors as quickly as the EBC sintered metallic???,, I just know that if I go with an organic pad and it does not stop as well as what I have....................... but needing rotors with only 43K on the bike is a bit much.
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« Reply #11 on: August 27, 2013, 06:07:03 AM » |
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Pay attention to what Valkpilot says. You'll hear a lot of riders just out of hand claim that EBC pads with destroy OEM rotors. It's not the brand, but the content. Mt Standard has run EBC pads on OEM rotors and currently has 170,000 miles on the original rotors. In all fairness, the front rotors will need to be replaced in the foreseeable future. It's the miles, not the brand. Well said gentlemen! Way too much here say at times on pads, oil, filters, tires, etc. with nothing to back it up. |
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« Reply #12 on: August 27, 2013, 10:19:44 AM » |
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The only thing I know is that my bike has stock rotors and EBC sintered pads, and the rotors are worn to the minimum with 43K on the clock.
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« Reply #13 on: August 27, 2013, 10:58:46 AM » |
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The only thing I know is ... We do very well to confess that from time to time. Sintered is probably important although the short mileage indicates there's something more at work; maybe dragging brakes, maybe bad measurement, maybe something else. |
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« Reply #14 on: August 27, 2013, 02:54:58 PM » |
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The only thing I know is ... We do very well to confess that from time to time. HA.... your right about that brother.... I have put less than 3K of the 43K on the bike, and I disassembled and went through it (including the front brakes), before I ever put i mile on it. I know they are working correctly now, so I just need to make a decision on what pads to use before I replace the rotors,,,, up to this point, I'm still thinking OEM are my best bet. |
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« Reply #15 on: August 27, 2013, 03:07:13 PM » |
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My 98 Tourer and I found this site in 2005. Now have 109k miles all on OEM pads. Can't compare them after reading all of the negatives decided I didn't need to try another brand.
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« Reply #16 on: August 27, 2013, 03:29:57 PM » |
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My brother who owned the Valk before me used the EBC cheap pads. It was what the tire shop in Pasadena put on for him while they were "in there". Anyway, I replaced them at 80,000 miles with GoldWing rotors. At the time they were 150 dollars cheaper. They look a little different, but I figured if it would stop a GoldWing, they were good enough for my Valk. Hay Jimmyt hey Hay, what year wing rotors will fit these bikes??? pancho, there is no need to replace the rotors with Wing units at this time. When I did it, the Valkyrie rotors were $150 (each) higher than the Wing rotors. That $300 made me look in ShopTalk for the Wing replacements. Now the Valkyrie rotor price has fallen to be more in line with the Wing rotors, so I would replace them with OEM. As for pads, I just use the OEM pads. Hay Jimmyt |
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« Reply #17 on: August 27, 2013, 04:01:13 PM » |
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My brother who owned the Valk before me used the EBC cheap pads. It was what the tire shop in Pasadena put on for him while they were "in there". Anyway, I replaced them at 80,000 miles with GoldWing rotors. At the time they were 150 dollars cheaper. They look a little different, but I figured if it would stop a GoldWing, they were good enough for my Valk. Hay Jimmyt hey Hay, what year wing rotors will fit these bikes??? pancho, there is no need to replace the rotors with Wing units at this time. When I did it, the Valkyrie rotors were $150 (each) higher than the Wing rotors. That $300 made me look in ShopTalk for the Wing replacements. Now the Valkyrie rotor price has fallen to be more in line with the Wing rotors, so I would replace them with OEM. As for pads, I just use the OEM pads. Hay Jimmyt +1 Did the GL1800 rotor replace when the '97 hit 100K. At the time the GL1800 rotors were 1/2 the price of the Valkyrie units. That is no longer the case. I think the GL1800 units look better though!  |
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« Reply #18 on: August 27, 2013, 06:18:53 PM » |
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PO owner may have been heavy handed. However, the rotors may have been ground or turned down, difficult but possible. On my 97 Valk I'm using EBC organic pads and stock rotors with absolutely no problems.
To my experience, as long as organic ebc pads are used, there is no rotor damage. I can't speak to the ebc sintered pads, I have used only the organic. 122,000 miles on them without rotor damage. Hoser |
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« Reply #19 on: August 28, 2013, 07:39:36 AM » |
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« Reply #20 on: August 28, 2013, 10:58:38 AM » |
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Thanks guys, lots of good input. Looking on HDL and Partzilla, I see that Valkyrie front rotors are going for about $170 these days.... a lot better than the $300+ figure I had in my head for some reason,,, still I have seen a couple of used ones with 65-70% left for well under $100 we will see
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