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Author Topic: What gauge set up to do a carb sync  (Read 3174 times)
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« on: April 10, 2015, 12:32:04 PM »

I really need to do a carb sync since I took mine apart and had to remove the idle screws and springs.  What gauge (that I can get local) do I need to do the sync?  I went to Harbor Freight (very small shop here) and got a vacuum gauge (needle type) and whenever I put it to the vacuum port - it just fluctuates wildly (with the cylinder firing).  I teed it and went to two carbs and it still just fluctuates wildly.  I need something I can get locally - I dont have time to order one and wait for it to come in.  What gauge setup is required that I can get at a local Sears/Walmart/Auto parts store can I use?
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« Reply #1 on: April 10, 2015, 01:16:42 PM »

Here's a thread with different ideas including how to set up the harbor frieght ones. Hope it helps

http://www.valkyrieforum.com/bbs/index.php/topic,3863.0.html
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« Reply #2 on: April 10, 2015, 02:32:16 PM »

To get a mechanical gauge to work you need a small orifice, or snubber, in line. This will dampen the wild gauge swings. An aquarium air valve can do the trick. One valve/snubber per gauge is what's required.
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« Reply #3 on: April 10, 2015, 02:43:40 PM »

Thanks guys!!!!!

I think I see how I can do it.  MUCHO APPRECIATED BROTHERS! cooldude cooldude cooldude
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« Reply #4 on: April 10, 2015, 03:57:41 PM »

I also do the 1 gauge way and I have a brass needle valve inline to help the bouncy needle. Just tighten it till it stops bouncing. You can get it at any hardware.
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« Reply #5 on: April 10, 2015, 04:12:55 PM »

 Using one gauge and using fish tank valves and hoses to each intake has worked for me for a long time. You need to remember that carb # 3 is not adjustable. The other 5 carbs need to match # 3. All the valves need to be tee connected common to the gauge. Opening each valve separately works just fine and not a big deal at all. Check out BonS digital sinc unit. He is starting a second run so get your name on the list.
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« Reply #6 on: April 10, 2015, 05:35:51 PM »

I've done it a lot of different ways , none as quick and precise as BonS Digi Sync .
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« Reply #7 on: April 11, 2015, 08:32:13 AM »

Invested in a good quality gauge off Matco truck on sale. I use it to tune my hot rods, cruisers. All my stuff is old. It is accurate, but doesn't matter much for sync. Can't figure why you would need more than one. All pet store stuff, but need better quality hoses. These clear ones get very soft with a little heat. Valve below gauge to anti-flutter. Works good.

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« Reply #8 on: April 11, 2015, 11:27:31 AM »

Since I'm avoiding yard work, I'll do my best to explain the limitations of gauges and liquid column synchronization devices. I'm NOT saying that these devices don't work because they do work, but within their limitations. And their limitations are inherent in the physics by which they work. It's somewhat like using a 100 pound torque wrench to tighten something that should be measured in inch pounds. It will give you a ballpark but you can't get as accurate a measurement out of it. Out of balance carburetors and throttle bodies result in diminished horsepower, gas mileage, lean & hot running cylinders, as well as rich & cool running cylinders.

This first image is an oscilloscope voltage signal from the vacuum that is taken directly from a single carburetor port. Each sawtooth waveform portion comprises all four strokes of the engine.


In the picture below the part of the signal that is ramp upward is the intake stroke of the engine. The part of the signal that ramps down is the compression, power and exhaust stroke combined.



Inside the circle on the left is the vacuum signal from the intake stroke and this is the only part of the vacuum that has to do with the synchronization of carburetors. The rest of the signal inside the circle on the right is about the air intake system and its ability to breath and recover from the intake stroke and be ready for the next cycle.



Gauges, fluid manometers and their associated snubbers produce a fluttering indication that averages about the red line in the picture below. It's not the true average of the vacuum signal as it's strongly influenced by the vacuum that remains after the intake stroke is completed.



The REAL average vacuum signal developed by the intake stroke is shown by the green line. But gauges and fluids have no way to deal with this reality.


Moving beyond mechanical bourdon gauges and fluid manometers is where modern technology comes in. Truly accurate carburetor and throttle body synchronization is best achieved by analyzing the vacuum waveform and identifying the min and max peaks of the vacuum that are created solely by the vacuum stroke of the piston. My sync gauge is software and hardware based so I call this technology a "digital peaking manometer". The entire vacuum signal from the intake stroke of the waveform is analyzed for synchronization as shown below. The rest of the signal is discarded for synchronization purposes.


Some final thoughts: If you want peak performance from your engine you need to simultaneously synchronize your carburetors. Carburetor linkage has interplay between cylinders and unless you can see it all at once it can be a frustrating and drawn out process that ends up just being declared "good enough". Synchronization is best done with matched sensors and with matched, quality hoses. Soft hoses diminish the vacuum signal getting to your gauge and mismatched hose lengths will distort the vacuum readings. So, you may get the readings the same but the actual running vacuum, as each cylinder sees it, may very well be out of balance.


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« Reply #9 on: April 11, 2015, 11:55:06 AM »

Well done BonS  , and thanks again.
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