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KCvalk
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« on: May 14, 2009, 08:16:53 AM »

anyone that has made that 6 gauge carb sync device

if you have the company and item number please post that info

i need to build one for myself but cant find the exact part on the site listed

thanks
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« Reply #1 on: May 14, 2009, 11:02:52 AM »

http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=93547

KC
i recently bought 6 of these.
i have used them to sync.
had to fold over the tubing and clamp with clothes pin to restrict down to stop needle deflection.
i have ordered yesterday 6 fish tank valves to put in the lines to restrict.
when i get the fish valves, i'll finish the build project and post a picture.
these gauges have a hook at the top, so i stretched a bungee across my shelving standards and hung them there temporarily to do my sync.

i tried making the fluid type sync tool, some folks had good success, not me though.
fluid over the top, or sucked too low ever time. ggrrrr. air in the manifold every time.

i found some cheaper gauges at Grainger, but they were only 2 inch dia.
these harbor freight are 4 inch, so they are easy to see.
before starting the sync, i checked each gauge on the #3 intake to see if they all read the same.
one (1) gauge reading was off from the other 5, so took it back to the store and got another.
HOPE THIS HELPS
Ken
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Ken Tarver
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« Reply #2 on: May 15, 2009, 01:20:38 PM »

here's my temporary sync gauge set-up, still waiting on the fish tank air valves to complete the package and make a nicer display.
Ken
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« Reply #3 on: May 16, 2009, 09:52:02 AM »

Holy crap, those gauges must have cost you a couple big ones. You're going to have hundreds tied up in that rig.  Have you calibrated those gauges or at least indexed them to see how close they are to one another. I got vacuum gauges for 4 buck apiece. Not fancy and they are all within .25" of each other.  You know what they read isn't all that too important. it is really comparative analysis that you do to synchronize the carburetors, not really measuring!
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« Reply #4 on: May 16, 2009, 12:22:21 PM »

Where did you get your gauges?
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« Reply #5 on: May 16, 2009, 03:47:12 PM »

Here is mine:


Parts you need to build: http://www.valkyrienorway.com/Tools.html

And a video:
Carb Sync Honda Valkyriepowered by Aeva
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« Reply #6 on: May 16, 2009, 07:01:10 PM »

Gauge superstore:  NOSHOK Direct.  http://stores.ebay.com/NOSHOK-Direct
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Ken Tarver
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« Reply #7 on: May 17, 2009, 06:45:55 PM »

Ricky

see my above post.
checked all 6 for same reading
click HF link for pricing

Ken
ps: have seen yours previously Dag
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Ken Tarver
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« Reply #8 on: May 21, 2009, 09:04:41 AM »

Harbor Freight gauges...$12.99 each less 10% coupon
some tubing came with gauges.
some tubing from my attempt at the fluid gauge.
6 fish tank valves...$6 and change + $9 shipping (couldn't find locally).
already had the aluminum plate.
already had the tripod stand.
yeah Dag...I copied yours!!

Thanks to you guys and ALL who have posted about the carb sync and the tools you use. Everyone's information has been useful.
I don't post often, but do come here frequently to read the intelligence which abounds.

Ken

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Al buquerque
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« Reply #9 on: May 21, 2009, 02:20:06 PM »

Try it this way. More accurate and a lot cheeper.
http://vrcc.photostash.com/vrcc_28306/manometer%20010.jpg[/img]
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Ken Tarver
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« Reply #10 on: May 21, 2009, 02:47:19 PM »

i was a failure with the manometer
mine was as pretty as yours
but i got air ever time
gave up
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KCvalk
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« Reply #11 on: May 21, 2009, 04:02:58 PM »

im going to alter the manometer a bit and have the plastic tube conneters face down so that they are always drawing liquid rather than any air.  this might fix the problem of drawing air  will see what happens
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« Reply #12 on: May 21, 2009, 05:55:45 PM »

If you look real close at this shot, you will see that the bottom chaber is ANGLED so that the tubes are submerged and the bubble is above it. Easy fix.
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« Reply #13 on: May 21, 2009, 08:00:24 PM »

If you look real close at this shot, you will see that the bottom chaber is ANGLED so that the tubes are submerged and the bubble is above it. Easy fix.



Very cool!
Is that just PVC pipe with caps on the end's? (What size is it? ...2" maybe?) Also, what did you use to connect the tubing to the pipe? Do they just screw into the pipe. Sorry about all the question's, but I really like your setup.
Thanks is advance.
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Ken Tarver
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« Reply #14 on: May 21, 2009, 08:18:06 PM »

keep us informed Bugslayer

Ken
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Al buquerque
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« Reply #15 on: May 22, 2009, 06:47:02 AM »

I'm not sure how to attach a file on here. Otherwise I would post my long winded building instructions and how to use it as an attachment. Since I can't do that I'll make this long and past it on here. You can already look at the few pictures I have of the this Rhube Golberg setuop in the previous replys.



How to make a manometer carb balancer

Some of the guys asked for a little help making up one of these manometers. I’ll give you a half a$$ed parts list and a little guidance.

PARTS:

Most of this stuff you can get at Home Depot or Lowes.

3 rolls of ¼” outside diameter vinyl tubing 20’ length. (Lowes sold them in 20’ lengths. I actually bought 6 rolls and ended up cutting a lot off. I think that 6ea 10 foot lengths should be fine. Whatever you think you would want for slack to be able to run the four foot vertical run on the board and then to the cylinders.)

6ea  ¼” Raindrip double barbed connectors. (I used straight connectors. BUT you could use the 90 degree elbows and plan to mount them on the side of the reservoir chamber. This prevents the pipes from sucking up the inevitable bubble of air that remains in the reservoir.)

1ea  ¼” raindrip Tee fitting. Used on cylinder #6. This allows the vacuum line to the fuel solenoid to maintain a suction. You could just suck real hard on the line and clamp it off during the balancing process. You make the choice, but somehow you need to keep suction on that line to keep the fuel flowing.

1 ½” diameter piece of black PVC pipe, about 6” long. (I used this size because it was what I had left over in the house. The reservoir does not need any particular volume. It just has to be a common place for all the tubes to connect.)

2ea  1 ½” PVC pipe end plugs. Or end plugs to match whatever size PVC you are using for the reservoir.

12ea   1/8” fiber insulated staples. To pin the vinyl tubes to the board.

Small container of PVC cement. I used the black stuff.

Some sort of flat surface to mount it all to. I used a 1”x 6”x 4’ pine board from the cheep pine lumber pile at Lowes. I threw a little paint on it to make it pretty, but not necessary.

JB Quick epoxy. Used to reinforce the tubes coming out of the reservoir. Or regular JB Weld if you don’t mind waiting overnight for it all to cure up.

1qt Automatic Tranny Fluid or Marvel Mystery Oil. You will only use about one or two cups. Get these also at your local Auto Zone.

TOOLS:

Tack Hammer
Drill to punch 6 holes in the PVC. (appx 3/16“ bit)
Hacksaw
T-square
Several Hemostats (If you tie your own flies for fishing, you will have some of these.)
Something to squirt the ATF fluid into the vinyl tubing to fill the reservoir.
Sharpie fine point marker. Not really necessary. But, if you want to throw some marks on the board to help line the carbs up a little, it doesn’t hurt. It also helps to put some numbers on the ends of the tubes where you are going to connect to the Valk’s intake ports.




ASSEMBLY:

Drill six evenly spaced holes in the center of your 6” long PVC pipe. I used 3/8” spacing on mine. Just leave enough room between the holes to wrestle on the vinyl tubing and still have enough room on the ends to squeeze on the PVC end caps.

Insert the raindrip ¼” connectors in the holes. They will pop through and then be loose in the holes. (unless you want to sand down the barbs on one end to go through the holes.) Apply a copious amount of PVC cement and let it dry. Be sure NOT to plug the inside of the connectors with  the cement. Put the end caps on with the PVC cement and let the whole assembly dry. Both these two steps could take several hours to really cure up, so assemble it and go away for a while.

After the whole assembly has hardened up, slather some of the “JB Quick” epoxy around where the raindrip tubes are coming out of the PVC pipe. This gives you a little extra strength when wrestling on the vinyl tubing.

Connect up the six vinyl tubes to the newly made reservoir. A little drop of some ATF fluid or WD-40 will help them slip on easier

Take your board and place several reference lines across the board running from about one foot up to about three feet. I did mine with a T-square and ran them about one inch apart. This is not really necessary but kind of helps in the fine tuning.

Place the reservoir chamber at the bottom of the 4 foot board and attach it with the insulated tacks on each tube near the reservoir.  Pull each vinyl tube tight up the length of the board and attach another row of tacks near the top of the four foot board. Kind of like stringing a guitar.

Place the vertical board with the PVC reservoir someplace low, like on the floor.  Have the raindrip connector pipes at the apex of the PVC pipe (basically straight up) to get as much air out of the reservoir as possible during the next step.

Find something to squirt some of the ATF fluid into one of the tubes until that one tube is full, right down to the reservoir. Clamp off the tube about a foot from the end. (hemostats work good here) Then stick the vinyl tube into the quart of ATF. Rest the bottle up as high as you can above the reservoir and take the hemostat off.. Let gravity slowly siphon the ATF into the reservoir until you see fluid coming out of all six of the vinyl tubes. (This may take about ten minutes or so to siphon, depending on how high you elevated the container.) Let it fill up all the tubes until it is about 6-10 inches above the reservoir. Then pull the tube out of the ATF container. Keep that full tube up high until the fluid in that particular tube runs down and seeks it’s own level with the other five tubes. This will cause all the tubes to rise up to approximately 12-18” above the reservoir (Depending on how large a diameter PVC pipe you used to make that reservoir.)

Mark the vinyl tubes on the connection end (to the bike intake port) with a number. Furthest left pipe being #1 and furthest right being #6.…Duh! This just helps you keep track of the mess of tubing and where to connect them.

You now need to tilt the reservoir somehow, to get the tube ends away from the air bubble that is left inside the reservoir. The air gets in the line and will raise hell with the reading. I placed a 2”x 2” block of wood behind the reservoir to rotate it about 20 degrees.

You’re finished building! Now you have to figure out how to use it. There is a fairly relevant briefing on the “Tech Talk” board that talks about balancing carbs. it’s all good stuff, but not all of it will apply to you when using a differential manometer. This stuff is based on gauges to ambient, but the rest is relative.




CAUTIONS:

If any of the following things happen, you will cause a leak to ambient air pressure and the whole system will be sucking the ATF fluid into your intake pipes. This would not be good, although this should not destroy your bike or plug up your carbs. But it will smoke like crazy if the bike is running and possibly foul your plugs. The worst case scenario would be to let a large amount of fluid run into an intake port and into a cylinder head while sitting static. This could lead to “liquid lock” in a cylinder and be disastrous if you were to try to start the bike.


DO NOT let the hot exhaust come in contact with the vinyl tubing.

DO NOT hook up the tubes with the engine already running. Unless you have some sort of way to simultaneously connect all the lines at the exact same time (Or plug each line with the hemostats as your doing it.) the bike needs to be OFF when hooking up the tubes.

Make sure that your connections are air tight everywhere. Especially at the intake tubes.

Make absolutely sure that there are no leaks in your reservoir chamber or any of your lines.

You MUST have all six tubes hooked to the bike. None can be left disconnected. If for some reason you do not connect a line, you must completely PLUG it off.

And… (common sense stuff)… Do not use colored water, liquid soap, Aqua Velva, Chanell #5, mouthwash, honey, maple syrup, gasoline or any highly flammable liquids in stead of ATF or Marvel Mystery oil for a fluid.


Helpful hints:

The whole process is basically a pneumatic “Tug of War” between intake systems. If all are pulling equally, then you will have a balanced set of carbs.

#3 Carburetor is the MASTER carb and is not adjustable. You have to match all the other cylinders to #3.

If you get some air bubbles in the columns for some reason, just shut every thing down and wait a bit. You can expedite the settling process by strumming the stretched out vinyl tubes, sort of like strumming a guitar. Either that or pull the tube away from the board with one hand and snap on it with your other hand.

When you move one carb adjusting screw, all the others will be effected and will change. It takes a lot of playing around to get them perfectly matched. I was never able to achieve perfection this but it was very close. A small difference between these tubes is negligible and not worth chasing your tail over.

The adjusting screws are very sensitive. Do not put pressure on them with your screw driver tip while trying to adjust them. Use very light pressure and come off the screw to see what you accomplished after each turn.

Maintaining a constant RPM is not a problem with this method of adjustment. Most people who are adjusting with a gauge referenced to ambient air pressure are looking to seek a constant number and need to establish a reference by maintaining a constant RPM. Since the differential pressure will change equally on all six systems with varying RPM. All you are interested in is the minor differences between each carb. The factory recommends using 900RPM to adjust the carbs, but some people like to do it at 3000RPM to replicate a better balance at cruising speeds.

Light “blipping” or” goosing” the throttle is not a problem. You will get a distinct drop and rise shown on all the tubes when you do this but nothing drastic should happen. That is unless you have a weak walled reservoir that might collapse or crack. For this reason, I would NOT recommend doing a lot of revving, blipping or racing the engine while hooked up. A light clearing of the engine above idle should be okay.

Your on your own…So y’all be careful.











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« Reply #16 on: May 22, 2009, 07:24:35 AM »

Just an additional word of caution for those of you thinking of copying my rig... This setup is for fine tuning carbs that are already in the ballpark. If you just pulled and rebuilt your carbs and they are really out of wack, you will have to get them relatively close before you try this device. If they are far enough out of sync, one of the cylinders is going to suck in the ATF fluid and kill all the mosquitos in your neighborhood. Don't pi$$ off the Mrs. by smoking out the garage.
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« Reply #17 on: May 22, 2009, 08:10:31 AM »

WOW!  That is exactly what I was needing.
Thanks for taking the time to write such detailed instruction's. I appreciate it. (Printing them off as we speak)  cooldude
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« Reply #18 on: May 22, 2009, 08:16:22 AM »

Here's the only old link I could find, but I know there's more

http://www.valkyrieforum.com/bbs/index.php/topic,2326.0.html
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« Reply #19 on: May 22, 2009, 11:57:45 AM »

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one of the cylinders is going to suck in the ATF fluid and kill all the mosquitos in your neighborhood

Mmmm... maybe I should try this.... Could be handy around my home!  uglystupid2 2funny
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« Reply #20 on: March 09, 2010, 05:57:33 PM »

Glad I found this.  I just made one for less than $50.

Can't wait to try it out.
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