kickstand question assembly

[cookiedough]

maybe stupid question, but can you remove bolt# 6 to install all the wiring harness parts without having issues with the kickstand coming off while on sidestand since part# 5 being actual kickstand pivot bolt is in place still.

From what it appears, the #6 bolt for wiring harness is in the same hole location as the #5 main kickstand bolt correct just down below more just holding on that wiring harness assembly?  By removing #6 bolt in pics will not have any issues with kickstand bolt or kickstand staying upright while doing this right?  Just making sure.

http://www.hondapartshouse.com/oemparts/a/hon/506cb5faf870023420a416ce/side-stand

I also have to replace besides all wiring harness my missing spring #4 which is connected on the other side with the frame bolt I also have to put in that other hole above/behind the kickstand.

[Daniel Meyer]

Yes, you can remove #6 without impacting the stand...it bolts into the head of #5.

I seem to recall though...if you have to change/replace the spring bolt that it's easier to remove the stand (#5 bolt, #7 locknut) to get to the locknut on the spring bolt...if the spring bolt is broken you can often remove the piece by unscrewing that locknut (and if the piece doesn't come out then, just grab it and unscrew it with vice grips/such).

[Gryphon Rider]

there are helpful pics in this thread:
http://www.valkyrieforum.com/bbs/index.php?topic=35297.0

[cookiedough]

thanks all, that is what I thought, just making sure.

Now to get er' dun since the previous owners bungee cord is a PITA to get down wanting to go back up when putting it down.  Good bungee cord though he said it has been on for over 1 year.   Just is time to replace as OEM for sure since spring and spring bolt which was broken off got it out 1 small mm at a time turning it with kickstand on surely should outlast any bungee cord.  Will be keeping that bungee cord though wrapped around the frame and some zip ties handy though just in case, never hurts to be prepared in case spring bolt or spring breaks.  

Man, those cobra exhausts are LOUD,  thinking anyways they are Cobras vs. TBR (two brothers racing).  They look similar correct?  Is fine doing 60 mph and below, but much over 65 mph with rpms 3K or above, those pipes get LOUDER, almost too LOUD.  

That old corbin seat though might look cool, but is hard as a ROCK not cushy at all like even the stock seat.  Definitely not a long distance seat, at least for me.  

[cookiedough]

got er dun,  helped I have a 2001 Valk I/S to look at though to compare to the 98 Valk std/tourer which needed the entire assembly.

Man, that wiring harness they do not give you any more lenght fits pretty darn tight.

Had an issue trying to get the old wiring harness unhooked up on top in front of battery by taking off right side cover as well.  I wondered what that black cable was duct taped up there, the old kickstand switch wiring harness still hooked in underneath but the bottom side was ripped off all taped up by the battery. 

Now the safety kill switch in gear kills the engine with kickstand down and that 12 nickel trick in between the spring was a GREAT idea, worked well, then taking out the 12 nickels with a pliers after done.

[cookiedough]

stupid question:  I looked after finishing the kickstand harness/spring and see that the front bolt which screws into/under the actual kickstand moves back and forth when put kickstand up/down.

Either way, going to make sure after a few rides to make sure that bolt is still tight under there just to be on the safe side. I doubt it will be an issue though since if it was an issue, more on here would be stating so on that front bolt that moves back/forth everytime the kickstand goes up/down.

Has anyone ever had that small bolt underneath come out slowly but surely from the movement of that bolt back and forth 1,000's of times?  I would think repeated movement of that bolt under the kickstand itself would come out eventually?

I also inspected my frame bolt end where the other side of the kickstand spring attaches to and shined flashlight up there and see that my 2001 I/S with OEM assembly has a wear groove in that frame bolt where the spring hooks onto.  Might be time to replace or inspect that frame bolt soon after 16 years of use before it snaps/wears off making that spring gone as well probably?

[Ricky-D]

stupid question:  I looked after finishing the kickstand harness/spring and see that the front bolt which screws into/under the actual kickstand moves back and forth when put kickstand up/down.

Either way, going to make sure after a few rides to make sure that bolt is still tight under there just to be on the safe side. I doubt it will be an issue though since if it was an issue, more on here would be stating so on that front bolt that moves back/forth everytime the kickstand goes up/down.

Has anyone ever had that small bolt underneath come out slowly but surely from the movement of that bolt back and forth 1,000's of times?  I would think repeated movement of that bolt under the kickstand itself would come out eventually?

I also inspected my frame bolt end where the other side of the kickstand spring attaches to and shined flashlight up there and see that my 2001 I/S with OEM assembly has a wear groove in that frame bolt where the spring hooks onto.  Might be time to replace or inspect that frame bolt soon after 16 years of use before it snaps/wears off making that spring gone as well probably?

That bolt should not move. Yours is moving because it is bent and loose. It will eventually break.

A new (straight) bolt is tight in the base and has a locking nut on the back side to insure it doesn't loosen up.

Yours is probably missing that locking nut too.

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[RonW]

I also inspected my frame bolt end where the other side of the kickstand spring attaches to ..... and my 2001 I/S with OEM assembly has a wear groove in that frame bolt where the spring hooks onto.  Might be time to replace or inspect that frame bolt soon after 16 years of use before it snaps/wears off making that spring gone as well probably?

Is this the *wear groove* that you're referring to? (© not my picture)

[cookiedough]

I also inspected my frame bolt end where the other side of the kickstand spring attaches to ..... and my 2001 I/S with OEM assembly has a wear groove in that frame bolt where the spring hooks onto.  Might be time to replace or inspect that frame bolt soon after 16 years of use before it snaps/wears off making that spring gone as well probably?

Is this the *wear groove* that you're referring to? (© not my picture)

Not really, I know that indentation there is normal as is OEM, but the wear groove is in same spot as indentation wearing that spot down even more so over past 15+  years.

[cookiedough]

stupid question:  I looked after finishing the kickstand harness/spring and see that the front bolt which screws into/under the actual kickstand moves back and forth when put kickstand up/down.

Either way, going to make sure after a few rides to make sure that bolt is still tight under there just to be on the safe side. I doubt it will be an issue though since if it was an issue, more on here would be stating so on that front bolt that moves back/forth everytime the kickstand goes up/down.

Has anyone ever had that small bolt underneath come out slowly but surely from the movement of that bolt back and forth 1,000's of times?  I would think repeated movement of that bolt under the kickstand itself would come out eventually?

I also inspected my frame bolt end where the other side of the kickstand spring attaches to and shined flashlight up there and see that my 2001 I/S with OEM assembly has a wear groove in that frame bolt where the spring hooks onto.  Might be time to replace or inspect that frame bolt soon after 16 years of use before it snaps/wears off making that spring gone as well probably?

That bolt should not move. Yours is moving because it is bent and loose. It will eventually break.

A new (straight) bolt is tight in the base and has a locking nut on the back side to insure it doesn't loosen up.

Yours is probably missing that locking nut too.

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No, both my 01 I/S and 98 std. both move bolt part# 6 in diagram when moving kickstand up and down.  I think that is normal operation to move with kickstand going up/down.   NO lock nut is on backside as in the diagram.

https://www.hondapartshouse.com/oemparts/a/hon/506cb5faf870023420a416ce/side-stand

[Paladin528]

#6 in the diagram only holds the Switch in place for the side stand.
The bolt that holds the spring is #10 on the FRAME fiche.  It should be solid and not move.

[cookiedough]

#6 in the diagram only holds the Switch in place for the side stand.
The bolt that holds the spring is #10 on the FRAME fiche.  It should be solid and not move.

agree, but bolt#6 moves up/down with the kickstand holding the switch in place  Just got me wondering if ever that part#6 bolt can come loose?

[Daniel Meyer]

#6 in the diagram only holds the Switch in place for the side stand.
The bolt that holds the spring is #10 on the FRAME fiche.  It should be solid and not move.

agree, but bolt#6 moves up/down with the kickstand holding the switch in place  Just got me wondering if ever that part#6 bolt can come loose?

It slides through the frame bracket and bolts into the other part of the kickstand...there should be a lock nut on it there.

[RonW]

Absolutely, there is a lock nut on the larger bolt. I was crawling all night under the bike to repair the clutch slave and had my camera memorizing what memory might not.

..... bolt#6 moves up/down with the kickstand holding the switch in place

• Just got me wondering if ever that part#6 bolt can come loose?
  

Let me take a stab at it .....

Larger bolt 5 (below) rotates with the kickstand becuz the locknut clasps it to the kickstand's knuckle. Bolt 6 rotates with larger bolt 5 since bolt 6 screws into the larger bolt. Bolt 6 sits on the setting plate. The setting plate is pegged by the spring bolt as such the setting plate is held stationary while bolt 6 rotates on the surface of the setting plate. Bolt 6 has a shoulder. The shoulder is slightly longer than the thickness of setting plate. This prevents Bolt 6 from bottoming out on the setting plate due to a slight gap between the two items. In turn, the gap keeps Bolt 6 from rubbing on the surface of the setting plate when it is rotated by the swing of the kickstand. Without a slight gap, a rotating Bolt 6 would dig into the stationary setting plate, or the friction between the two would loosen Bolt 6.