"Huge Caravan" Of Central Americans Is Headed For The U.S. Border

[Wizzard]

One thing is for sure,, what we have now is NOT working.
Almost all countries in the world do not treat illegal border crossings as we do.
It's a drain on society and an insult to those who did it legally.

What we have now does work to a certain extent. Just not well enough. It is an insult to those who immigrated legally .
 My take on fixing illegal immigration is multi fold .
1) We must crack down on employers and people who hire them. Many people enjoy having cheap maids, cheap landscapers, cheap construction workers. Make it hurt to the people who use them. Heavy fines and even jail time would deter much of it. Contrary to what some think, most of the illegal immigrants come here for the work. Not to suck up welfare.
2) Do away with sanctuary cities. If a city decides to go that route, then cut off ALL federal funding of any sort.
3) Track people more thoroughly here on visas. If they overstay, lock them up for a determined amount of time and deport them.
4) When an illegal immigrant is detained or found out, lock them up for a determined amount of time and deport them. If they come back and are caught again the punishment gets progressively more intense.
5) Punish coyotes who bring them across to the max.

I'm okay with your steps, would applaud them even. But I'd add
6) Border wall.... (Still say a mine field would be cheaper and more effective, but SOMETHING needs to be done)
7) NO government assistance to illegals. None. Zero. Zip. Nada. NOTHING.
8 ) End birthright citizenship. Retroactively.

I remember that magical Christmas 

[rainman]

for one the wall needs to be build wheather it is a visible,electronic,laser and stop ANY crossing at any cost.  Once that is done then start deporting all that is illegal good or bad if they are here on visa you put a tracking device on or put a chip in them and if they are still here after there time is up look them up and send them on there way. Also stop immediately all funds no more free housing, health care food stamps.  thses asshole make and live better than 75% of the people  that is on social security and that has worked all there lives. And is this inhnmane HELL NO it is not. It is only protecting each and everyone that is a U.S. citizen
I amnot sorry if is offends you

[The emperor has no clothes]

One thing is for sure,, what we have now is NOT working.
Almost all countries in the world do not treat illegal border crossings as we do.
It's a drain on society and an insult to those who did it legally.

What we have now does work to a certain extent. Just not well enough. It is an insult to those who immigrated legally .
 My take on fixing illegal immigration is multi fold .
1) We must crack down on employers and people who hire them. Many people enjoy having cheap maids, cheap landscapers, cheap construction workers. Make it hurt to the people who use them. Heavy fines and even jail time would deter much of it. Contrary to what some think, most of the illegal immigrants come here for the work. Not to suck up welfare.
2) Do away with sanctuary cities. If a city decides to go that route, then cut off ALL federal funding of any sort.
3) Track people more thoroughly here on visas. If they overstay, lock them up for a determined amount of time and deport them.
4) When an illegal immigrant is detained or found out, lock them up for a determined amount of time and deport them. If they come back and are caught again the punishment gets progressively more intense.
5) Punish coyotes who bring them across to the max.

I'm okay with your steps, would applaud them even. But I'd add
6) Border wall.... (Still say a mine field would be cheaper and more effective, but SOMETHING needs to be done)
7) NO government assistance to illegals. None. Zero. Zip. Nada. NOTHING.
8 ) End birthright citizenship. Retroactively.

I remember that magical Christmas 

[The emperor has no clothes]

for one the wall needs to be build wheather it is a visible,electronic,laser and stop ANY crossing at any cost.  Once that is done then start deporting all that is illegal good or bad if they are here on visa you put a tracking device on or put a chip in them and if they are still here after there time is up look them up and send them on there way. Also stop immediately all funds no more free housing, health care food stamps.  thses asshole make and live better than 75% of the people  that is on social security and that has worked all there lives. And is this inhnmane HELL NO it is not. It is only protecting each and everyone that is a U.S. citizen
I amnot sorry if is offends you

What many don’t seem to recognize is that all of the illegal immigrants who are using a false SSN are paying into it along with their employers. Which in turn benefits you and I.

[Wizzard]

for one the wall needs to be build wheather it is a visible,electronic,laser and stop ANY crossing at any cost.  Once that is done then start deporting all that is illegal good or bad if they are here on visa you put a tracking device on or put a chip in them and if they are still here after there time is up look them up and send them on there way. Also stop immediately all funds no more free housing, health care food stamps.  thses asshole make and live better than 75% of the people  that is on social security and that has worked all there lives. And is this inhnmane HELL NO it is not. It is only protecting each and everyone that is a U.S. citizen
I amnot sorry if is offends you

What many don’t seem to recognize is that all of the illegal immigrants who are using a false SSN are paying into it along with their employers. Which in turn benefits you and I.

This is true and very often misquoted and missed.

[Psychotic Bovine]

I think we need a moat.  Fill it with sharks with laser beams on their heads.  Back that up with those Sentry guns from the movie Aliens.  Then a minefield.

[The emperor has no clothes]

I think we need a moat.  Fill it with sharks with laser beams on their heads.  Back that up with those Sentry guns from the movie Aliens.  Then a minefield.

Your love for your fellow man is overwhelming. 

[Psychotic Bovine]

I think we need a moat.  Fill it with sharks with laser beams on their heads.  Back that up with those Sentry guns from the movie Aliens.  Then a minefield.

Your love for your fellow man is overwhelming. 

Only overwhelmed by your utter inability to understand a joke.

[rainman]

[/quote]What many don’t seem to recognize is that all of the illegal immigrants who are using a false SSN are paying into it along with their employers. Which in turn benefits you and I.
[/quote]
I don't see where that benefits you or anyone that is  a citizen all that i see is a employer fill his pockets with more profit because of the cheep wages they are paying the illegal.  And taking jobs away from legal and U.S. citizens. and don't tell it is cause they can't find people to do the work they just could not find anyone to do the work for peanuts 

[Moonshot_1]

I think we need a moat.  Fill it with sharks with laser beams on their heads.  Back that up with those Sentry guns from the movie Aliens.  Then a minefield.

Actually, you are close. We need a grand canal. For shipping. Like the Panama Canal only hugging the US Side of the border. We'd go around the major obstacles. We would get an amazing economic boost too!

Aah well ok, a minefield too. Nuclear mines. Or wind turbines with RAZOR SHARP blades. Attached to the WALL! WE CAN SAVE THE EARTH AT THE SAME TIME!

Think of it! If we can't build a wall and attach wind turbines to it then that would mean that illegal immigration is the cause of global warming! It is like the most awesome liberal logic!  

[Psychotic Bovine]

I think we need a moat.  Fill it with sharks with laser beams on their heads.  Back that up with those Sentry guns from the movie Aliens.  Then a minefield.

Actually, you are close. We need a grand canal. For shipping. Like the Panama Canal only hugging the US Side of the border. We'd go around the major obstacles. We would get an amazing economic boost too!

Aah well ok, a minefield too. Nuclear mines. Or wind turbines with RAZOR SHARP blades. Attached to the WALL! WE CAN SAVE THE EARTH AT THE SAME TIME!

Think of it! If we can't build a wall and attach wind turbines to it then that would mean that illegal immigration is the cause of global warming! It is like the most awesome liberal logic!  

I do still think we need sharks with laser beams on their heads.  Every creature deserves a hot meal.

[The emperor has no clothes]

What many don’t seem to recognize is that all of the illegal immigrants who are using a false SSN are paying into it along with their employers. Which in turn benefits you and I.
[/quote]
I don't see where that benefits you or anyone that is  a citizen all that i see is a employer fill his pockets with more profit because of the cheep wages they are paying the illegal.  And taking jobs away from legal and U.S. citizens. and don't tell it is cause they can't find people to do the work they just could not find anyone to do the work for peanuts 
[/quote]I agree about the low wages. That is a separate issue from the SSN deductions. When they use fake SSN’s it adds to the pot. They are not able to draw out benefits from SS because they can’t show citizenship. I’m all for employers not being able to use this cheap labor.

[98valk]

What many don’t seem to recognize is that all of the illegal immigrants who are using a false SSN are paying into it along with their employers. Which in turn benefits you and I.

I don't see where that benefits you or anyone that is  a citizen all that i see is a employer fill his pockets with more profit because of the cheep wages they are paying the illegal.  And taking jobs away from legal and U.S. citizens. and don't tell it is cause they can't find people to do the work they just could not find anyone to do the work for peanuts 
[/quote]I agree about the low wages. That is a separate issue from the SSN deductions. When they use fake SSN’s it adds to the pot. They are not able to draw out benefits from SS because they can’t show citizenship. I’m all for employers not being able to use this cheap labor.
[/quote]

u need to do your homework before posting. and if they are doing this, with a disability lawyer they most likely are getting SS disability benefits also.
http://seniorsleague.org/how-undocumented-workers-are-becoming-entitled-to-social-security/

Q: How do they claim benefits if the law prohibits illegals from collecting?

A: There are several ways it happens. One has to do with the type of SSN that was used for employment. The 2004 law requires work authorization in order to claim Social Security. But the law pertains only to individuals who received their SSN after January 1, 2004. If the individual was issued an SSN prior to January 1, 2004, like the 7 million non-work SSNs issued prior to 2003, the 2004 law prohibiting payment of Social Security does not apply. According to the Congressional Research Service and the Government Accountability Office, that group does not need to have ever received legal work authorization in order to claim benefits — they may have worked illegally their entire careers.

As long as all other qualifications are met, and they have evidence of their earnings, like W2s, they may file a claim for Social Security benefits. Others who receive an SSN after 2004 must have work authorization to claim benefits. Yet even people who worked illegally for many years sometimes later change status. That can occur even without an amnesty, especially if the illegals have children who were born in this country. Because the children are born as U.S. citizens, when they become adults they can sponsor their parents to stay in the U.S. legally and to receive work authorization. If their parents kept W2s and evidence earnings, those work credits will be re-instated to their new SSNs. Once they receive work authorization, noncitizens can later file a claim for Social Security benefits.

Currently the SSA uses all earnings to determine entitlement to benefits, including the earnings for jobs worked illegally. The majority of seniors responding to TSCL surveys on the topic believe that noncitizens should not be allowed to receive Social Security based on illegal work. TSCL agrees. Social Security benefits are determined on earnings and work history, regardless of whether taxes were paid or not. Because those earnings are held by Social Security in an Earnings Suspense file, non-citizens could at some point gain access to benefits based on illegal earnings. TSCL strongly supports legislation that would ban the payment of Social Security based on unauthorized work.

Sources: Statement of Martin H. Gerry, Social Security Administration, Before Subcommittee on Social Security of the House Committee on Ways and Means, March 2, 2006. Individuals Who Are Not Authorized To Work In The United States Were Paid $4.2 Billion In Refundable Credits, Treasury Inspector General For Tax Administration, July 7, 2011, 2011-41-061. “Social Security Benefits For Noncitizens,” Congressional Research Service, July 20, 2006, RL32004.

[Robert]

This is true and very often misquoted and missed.

Yup Im sure all the children given tax credits and refunds, all the personal refunds stolen, all the ss numbers that are duplicated along with all the identity theft are not good illegal aliens taking peoples ss numbers to pay taxes.

[Wizzard]

What many don’t seem to recognize is that all of the illegal immigrants who are using a false SSN are paying into it along with their employers. Which in turn benefits you and I.

I don't see where that benefits you or anyone that is  a citizen all that i see is a employer fill his pockets with more profit because of the cheep wages they are paying the illegal.  And taking jobs away from legal and U.S. citizens. and don't tell it is cause they can't find people to do the work they just could not find anyone to do the work for peanuts  

I agree about the low wages. That is a separate issue from the SSN deductions. When they use fake SSN’s it adds to the pot. They are not able to draw out benefits from SS because they can’t show citizenship. I’m all for employers not being able to use this cheap labor.
[/quote]

u need to do your homework before posting. and if they are doing this, with a disability lawyer they most likely are getting SS disability benefits also.
http://seniorsleague.org/how-undocumented-workers-are-becoming-entitled-to-social-security/

Q: How do they claim benefits if the law prohibits illegals from collecting?

A: There are several ways it happens. One has to do with the type of SSN that was used for employment. The 2004 law requires work authorization in order to claim Social Security. But the law pertains only to individuals who received their SSN after January 1, 2004. If the individual was issued an SSN prior to January 1, 2004, like the 7 million non-work SSNs issued prior to 2003, the 2004 law prohibiting payment of Social Security does not apply. According to the Congressional Research Service and the Government Accountability Office, that group does not need to have ever received legal work authorization in order to claim benefits — they may have worked illegally their entire careers.

As long as all other qualifications are met, and they have evidence of their earnings, like W2s, they may file a claim for Social Security benefits. Others who receive an SSN after 2004 must have work authorization to claim benefits. Yet even people who worked illegally for many years sometimes later change status. That can occur even without an amnesty, especially if the illegals have children who were born in this country. Because the children are born as U.S. citizens, when they become adults they can sponsor their parents to stay in the U.S. legally and to receive work authorization. If their parents kept W2s and evidence earnings, those work credits will be re-instated to their new SSNs. Once they receive work authorization, noncitizens can later file a claim for Social Security benefits.

Currently the SSA uses all earnings to determine entitlement to benefits, including the earnings for jobs worked illegally. The majority of seniors responding to TSCL surveys on the topic believe that noncitizens should not be allowed to receive Social Security based on illegal work. TSCL agrees. Social Security benefits are determined on earnings and work history, regardless of whether taxes were paid or not. Because those earnings are held by Social Security in an Earnings Suspense file, non-citizens could at some point gain access to benefits based on illegal earnings. TSCL strongly supports legislation that would ban the payment of Social Security based on unauthorized work.

Sources: Statement of Martin H. Gerry, Social Security Administration, Before Subcommittee on Social Security of the House Committee on Ways and Means, March 2, 2006. Individuals Who Are Not Authorized To Work In The United States Were Paid $4.2 Billion In Refundable Credits, Treasury Inspector General For Tax Administration, July 7, 2011, 2011-41-061. “Social Security Benefits For Noncitizens,” Congressional Research Service, July 20, 2006, RL32004.[/quote]

So as I read that,, they would have to paid in to collect? How does that hurt us?

[Wizzard]

This is true and very often misquoted and missed.

Yup Im sure all the children given tax credits and refunds, all the personal refunds stolen, all the ss numbers that are duplicated along with all the identity theft are not good illegal aliens taking peoples ss numbers to pay taxes.

I am not defending any of them,, but show me a figure that says how much of the fraud is done by illegals?

[The emperor has no clothes]

What many don’t seem to recognize is that all of the illegal immigrants who are using a false SSN are paying into it along with their employers. Which in turn benefits you and I.

I don't see where that benefits you or anyone that is  a citizen all that i see is a employer fill his pockets with more profit because of the cheep wages they are paying the illegal.  And taking jobs away from legal and U.S. citizens. and don't tell it is cause they can't find people to do the work they just could not find anyone to do the work for peanuts 

I agree about the low wages. That is a separate issue from the SSN deductions. When they use fake SSN’s it adds to the pot. They are not able to draw out benefits from SS because they can’t show citizenship. I’m all for employers not being able to use this cheap labor.

u need to do your homework before posting. and if they are doing this, with a disability lawyer they most likely are getting SS disability benefits also.
http://seniorsleague.org/how-undocumented-workers-are-becoming-entitled-to-social-security/

Q: How do they claim benefits if the law prohibits illegals from collecting?

A: There are several ways it happens. One has to do with the type of SSN that was used for employment. The 2004 law requires work authorization in order to claim Social Security. But the law pertains only to individuals who received their SSN after January 1, 2004. If the individual was issued an SSN prior to January 1, 2004, like the 7 million non-work SSNs issued prior to 2003, the 2004 law prohibiting payment of Social Security does not apply. According to the Congressional Research Service and the Government Accountability Office, that group does not need to have ever received legal work authorization in order to claim benefits — they may have worked illegally their entire careers.

As long as all other qualifications are met, and they have evidence of their earnings, like W2s, they may file a claim for Social Security benefits. Others who receive an SSN after 2004 must have work authorization to claim benefits. Yet even people who worked illegally for many years sometimes later change status. That can occur even without an amnesty, especially if the illegals have children who were born in this country. Because the children are born as U.S. citizens, when they become adults they can sponsor their parents to stay in the U.S. legally and to receive work authorization. If their parents kept W2s and evidence earnings, those work credits will be re-instated to their new SSNs. Once they receive work authorization, noncitizens can later file a claim for Social Security benefits.

Currently the SSA uses all earnings to determine entitlement to benefits, including the earnings for jobs worked illegally. The majority of seniors responding to TSCL surveys on the topic believe that noncitizens should not be allowed to receive Social Security based on illegal work. TSCL agrees. Social Security benefits are determined on earnings and work history, regardless of whether taxes were paid or not. Because those earnings are held by Social Security in an Earnings Suspense file, non-citizens could at some point gain access to benefits based on illegal earnings. TSCL strongly supports legislation that would ban the payment of Social Security based on unauthorized work.

Sources: Statement of Martin H. Gerry, Social Security Administration, Before Subcommittee on Social Security of the House Committee on Ways and Means, March 2, 2006. Individuals Who Are Not Authorized To Work In The United States Were Paid $4.2 Billion In Refundable Credits, Treasury Inspector General For Tax Administration, July 7, 2011, 2011-41-061. “Social Security Benefits For Noncitizens,” Congressional Research Service, July 20, 2006, RL32004.
[/quote]

So as I read that,, they would have to paid in to collect? How does that hurt us?
[/quote]CA is referring to non citizens who are here to work legally. Completely different from illegal immigrants.

[98valk]

What many don’t seem to recognize is that all of the illegal immigrants who are using a false SSN are paying into it along with their employers. Which in turn benefits you and I.

I don't see where that benefits you or anyone that is  a citizen all that i see is a employer fill his pockets with more profit because of the cheep wages they are paying the illegal.  And taking jobs away from legal and U.S. citizens. and don't tell it is cause they can't find people to do the work they just could not find anyone to do the work for peanuts 

I agree about the low wages. That is a separate issue from the SSN deductions. When they use fake SSN’s it adds to the pot. They are not able to draw out benefits from SS because they can’t show citizenship. I’m all for employers not being able to use this cheap labor.

u need to do your homework before posting. and if they are doing this, with a disability lawyer they most likely are getting SS disability benefits also.
http://seniorsleague.org/how-undocumented-workers-are-becoming-entitled-to-social-security/

Q: How do they claim benefits if the law prohibits illegals from collecting?

A: There are several ways it happens. One has to do with the type of SSN that was used for employment. The 2004 law requires work authorization in order to claim Social Security. But the law pertains only to individuals who received their SSN after January 1, 2004. If the individual was issued an SSN prior to January 1, 2004, like the 7 million non-work SSNs issued prior to 2003, the 2004 law prohibiting payment of Social Security does not apply. According to the Congressional Research Service and the Government Accountability Office, that group does not need to have ever received legal work authorization in order to claim benefits — they may have worked illegally their entire careers.

As long as all other qualifications are met, and they have evidence of their earnings, like W2s, they may file a claim for Social Security benefits. Others who receive an SSN after 2004 must have work authorization to claim benefits. Yet even people who worked illegally for many years sometimes later change status. That can occur even without an amnesty, especially if the illegals have children who were born in this country. Because the children are born as U.S. citizens, when they become adults they can sponsor their parents to stay in the U.S. legally and to receive work authorization. If their parents kept W2s and evidence earnings, those work credits will be re-instated to their new SSNs. Once they receive work authorization, noncitizens can later file a claim for Social Security benefits.

Currently the SSA uses all earnings to determine entitlement to benefits, including the earnings for jobs worked illegally. The majority of seniors responding to TSCL surveys on the topic believe that noncitizens should not be allowed to receive Social Security based on illegal work. TSCL agrees. Social Security benefits are determined on earnings and work history, regardless of whether taxes were paid or not. Because those earnings are held by Social Security in an Earnings Suspense file, non-citizens could at some point gain access to benefits based on illegal earnings. TSCL strongly supports legislation that would ban the payment of Social Security based on unauthorized work.

Sources: Statement of Martin H. Gerry, Social Security Administration, Before Subcommittee on Social Security of the House Committee on Ways and Means, March 2, 2006. Individuals Who Are Not Authorized To Work In The United States Were Paid $4.2 Billion In Refundable Credits, Treasury Inspector General For Tax Administration, July 7, 2011, 2011-41-061. “Social Security Benefits For Noncitizens,” Congressional Research Service, July 20, 2006, RL32004.

So as I read that,, they would have to paid in to collect? How does that hurt us?
[/quote]CA is referring to non citizens who are here to work legally. Completely different from illegal immigrants.
[/quote]

wrong! u need to re-read it. it states two things, bottom line they are illegals collecting and a lot times have false earnings records meaning they never paid into the system but take from it.

[Jess from VA]

I think (current law) birth right citizenship once granted could not be retroactively rescinded.  At that point they are a citizen for all due process protections.  I think once a person is granted citizenship, it's there unless it can be taken for current reasons.

But birthright citizenship should be stopped ASAP, by whatever means is easiest and constitutional.  And so should any concept of chain migration for family members.  That just becomes another factor to be considered in any ordinary immigrant application.

I agree with everything else said about no other benefits of any kind for illegals (need a doctor, pay him).  

There should be no:  holding beyond getting ID (if possible), due process, housing, food shelter, medical, acceptance or adjudication of refuge or asylum status applications, for any who cross illegally.  Go back and apply, and be handled in order.  Humanitarian water and MREs provided only.  (Very unique, and our own national security level exceptions of course could be made).  And any wanted felons could be locked up for immediate delivery for state or federal prosecution, or dumped back over the border, whatever is in our best interests.   Everyone is simply returned to the border they crossed in as expeditious a manner as possible, with no due process except humane treatment (unless we grant an exception in our own interest).  If we take long enough to find out who they are, any who cross illegally should earn a minimum one year penalty delay in adjudicating any later received lawful application for immigrant status (of any kind) (subsequent illegal crossings earn you 5 years, then lifetime denial).  

Then, as stupid as it sounds, 10 million 10-page booklets printed in Spanish should be disseminated at and below the border which clearly spells out what our laws are, and how they will be handled if they cross illegally, and how to get in line with applications.  And then we enforce it to the letter.  (not a full blown immigration manual, just the basics.)  Every incentive for illegal crossing removed, penalties for illegal crossing added.  Use of deadly force spelled out, and applicable for failure to follow orders of law enforcement (no running).

Wall, military/national guard, mine fields, and ...... work a compromise deal for the millions already here illegally (the hardest part of all) (in our own national interest, not a vote buying program).  It has to be earned, and any benefits while lawfully resident under this plan must also be limited as much as possible until such time as citizenship is finally granted.

 

[Robert]

I can get some more information but I thought that this was enough with some info coming from the GAO. The first bit of information is from the GAO in 1995 so I can imagine what it is now.

About 6.1 Million Illegals Filed Taxes in US – Many Didn't Pay, Received Refunds

https://www.cnsnews.com/commentary/james-agresti/about-61-million-illegals-filed-taxes-us-many-didnt-pay-received-refunds

Sessions says $4 billion a year in tax credits go mostly to Mexicans
Sessions said April 23. "These are mostly Mexicans. And those kind of things add up -- $4 billion a year for 10 years is $40 billion. There are a lot of ways we can find money to help pay for this."


Extent of Welfare Benefits Received on Behalf of U.S. Citizen Children

GAO noted that: (1) in fiscal year (FY) 1995, about $1.1 billion in Aid to Families with Dependent Children (AFDC) and Food Stamp benefits were provided to households with an illegal alien parent for the use of his or her citizen child; (2) this amount accounted for about 3 percent of AFDC and 2 percent of Food Stamp benefit costs; (3) a vast majority of households receiving these benefits resided in a few states--85 percent of the AFDC households were in California, New York, Texas, and Arizona; (4) 81 percent of Food Stamp households were in California, Texas, and Arizona; (5) California households alone accounted for $720 million of the combined AFDC and Food Stamp caseloads; (6) although illegal aliens also received Supplemental Security Income (SSI) and Department of Housing and Urban Development housing assistance for their citizen children, data to develop estimates for these two programs were not available; (7) comprehensive national statistics on any misrepresentation or fraud perpetrated by illegal aliens receiving benefits on behalf of their citizen children are not available; ( a few California counties' studies of AFDC households indicate that the rates and types of potential misrepresentation or fraud are similar both for households headed by illegal aliens and for the general welfare population; (9) in these studies, one of the most commonly cited types of misrepresentation or fraud was the underreporting of income; (10) income is a key factor in determining program eligibility and benefit amounts and, when underreported, can result in overpayment of benefits; and (11) the states visited by GAO had procedures in place to verify income, but officials said that verifying individuals' income from earnings obtained through the underground economy was very difficult--for both illegal aliens and for citizens--in part because these earnings are not documented or reported to state or federal databases used to verify employment or earnings.

The IRS knows of 2.4 million people a year who file taxes using an Individual Taxpayer Identification Number, which is generally given out to immigrants who aren’t authorized to work. But the IRS is not allowed to talk with Homeland Security to help agents identify who and where those taxpayers are.

Each spring, at tax preparation offices all across the nation, many illegal immigrants are now eagerly filing tax returns to take advantage of a tax loophole, using their ITIN numbers to get huge refunds from the IRS.

The loophole is called the Additional Child Tax Credit. It's a fully-refundable credit of up to $1000 per child, and it's meant to help working families who have children living at home.

But 13 Investigates has found many undocumented workers are claiming the tax credit for kids who live in Mexico – lots of kids in Mexico.

"We've seen sometimes 10 or 12 dependents, most times nieces and nephews, on these tax forms," the whistleblower told Eyewitness News. "The more you put on there, the more you get back."

The whistleblower has thousands of examples, and he brought some of them to 13 Investigates. While identifying information such as names and addresses on the tax returns was redacted, it was still clear that the tax filers had received large tax refunds after claiming additional child tax credits for many dependents.

"Here's a return right here: we've got a $10,3000 refund for nine nieces and nephews," he said, pointing to the words "niece" and "nephew" listed on the tax forms nine separate times.

"We're getting an $11,000 refund on this tax return. There's seven nieces and nephews," he said, pointing to another set of documents. "I can bring out stacks and stacks. It's just so easy it's ridiculous."

20 kids = $30,000

· Claims for additional child tax credits by ITIN filers have skyrocketed during the past decade, from $161 million in 2001 to $4.2 billion in tax year 2010.

· Undocumented workers filed 3.02 million tax returns in 2010. 72% of those returns (2.18 million) claimed the additional child tax credit.

· In 2010, the IRS owed undocumented workers more in claimed additional child tax credits than it collected from those workers in taxes.

But the IRS only manages to identify half of the potentially 1.4 million people likely affected by the fraud in 2015, the Treasury Inspector General for Tax Administration said in its report.

[98valk]

I can get some more information but I thought that this was enough with some info coming from the GAO. The first bit of information is from the GAO in 1995 so I can imagine what it is now.

About 6.1 Million Illegals Filed Taxes in US – Many Didn't Pay, Received Refunds

https://www.cnsnews.com/commentary/james-agresti/about-61-million-illegals-filed-taxes-us-many-didnt-pay-received-refunds

Sessions says $4 billion a year in tax credits go mostly to Mexicans
Sessions said April 23. "These are mostly Mexicans. And those kind of things add up -- $4 billion a year for 10 years is $40 billion. There are a lot of ways we can find money to help pay for this."


Extent of Welfare Benefits Received on Behalf of U.S. Citizen Children

GAO noted that: (1) in fiscal year (FY) 1995, about $1.1 billion in Aid to Families with Dependent Children (AFDC) and Food Stamp benefits were provided to households with an illegal alien parent for the use of his or her citizen child; (2) this amount accounted for about 3 percent of AFDC and 2 percent of Food Stamp benefit costs; (3) a vast majority of households receiving these benefits resided in a few states--85 percent of the AFDC households were in California, New York, Texas, and Arizona; (4) 81 percent of Food Stamp households were in California, Texas, and Arizona; (5) California households alone accounted for $720 million of the combined AFDC and Food Stamp caseloads; (6) although illegal aliens also received Supplemental Security Income (SSI) and Department of Housing and Urban Development housing assistance for their citizen children, data to develop estimates for these two programs were not available; (7) comprehensive national statistics on any misrepresentation or fraud perpetrated by illegal aliens receiving benefits on behalf of their citizen children are not available; ( a few California counties' studies of AFDC households indicate that the rates and types of potential misrepresentation or fraud are similar both for households headed by illegal aliens and for the general welfare population; (9) in these studies, one of the most commonly cited types of misrepresentation or fraud was the underreporting of income; (10) income is a key factor in determining program eligibility and benefit amounts and, when underreported, can result in overpayment of benefits; and (11) the states visited by GAO had procedures in place to verify income, but officials said that verifying individuals' income from earnings obtained through the underground economy was very difficult--for both illegal aliens and for citizens--in part because these earnings are not documented or reported to state or federal databases used to verify employment or earnings.

The IRS knows of 2.4 million people a year who file taxes using an Individual Taxpayer Identification Number, which is generally given out to immigrants who aren’t authorized to work. But the IRS is not allowed to talk with Homeland Security to help agents identify who and where those taxpayers are.

Each spring, at tax preparation offices all across the nation, many illegal immigrants are now eagerly filing tax returns to take advantage of a tax loophole, using their ITIN numbers to get huge refunds from the IRS.

The loophole is called the Additional Child Tax Credit. It's a fully-refundable credit of up to $1000 per child, and it's meant to help working families who have children living at home.

But 13 Investigates has found many undocumented workers are claiming the tax credit for kids who live in Mexico – lots of kids in Mexico.

"We've seen sometimes 10 or 12 dependents, most times nieces and nephews, on these tax forms," the whistleblower told Eyewitness News. "The more you put on there, the more you get back."

The whistleblower has thousands of examples, and he brought some of them to 13 Investigates. While identifying information such as names and addresses on the tax returns was redacted, it was still clear that the tax filers had received large tax refunds after claiming additional child tax credits for many dependents.

"Here's a return right here: we've got a $10,3000 refund for nine nieces and nephews," he said, pointing to the words "niece" and "nephew" listed on the tax forms nine separate times.

"We're getting an $11,000 refund on this tax return. There's seven nieces and nephews," he said, pointing to another set of documents. "I can bring out stacks and stacks. It's just so easy it's ridiculous."

20 kids = $30,000

· Claims for additional child tax credits by ITIN filers have skyrocketed during the past decade, from $161 million in 2001 to $4.2 billion in tax year 2010.

· Undocumented workers filed 3.02 million tax returns in 2010. 72% of those returns (2.18 million) claimed the additional child tax credit.

· In 2010, the IRS owed undocumented workers more in claimed additional child tax credits than it collected from those workers in taxes.

But the IRS only manages to identify half of the potentially 1.4 million people likely affected by the fraud in 2015, the Treasury Inspector General for Tax Administration said in its report.

facts just make some peoples heads explode.

[Robert]

facts just make some peoples heads explode.

As you know some choose not to know the truth

Trump signs proclamation sending National Guard to Mexico border immediately 

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/04/04/trump-to-sign-proclamation-sending-national-guard-to-border-immediately.html

[98valk]

https://www.afp.com/en/news/826/migrant-caravan-abandons-plan-travel-us-border-doc-13p1ry3

A caravan of Central American migrants whose trek across Mexico infuriated President Donald Trump has decided not to travel to the US border, leaders said Tuesday.

"We will wrap up our work in Mexico City," said Irineo Mujica, the head of the migrant advocacy group People Without Borders

The caravan is in fact a yearly event whose goal is more to raise awareness about the plight of migrants than to reach the United States -- though some participants have traveled to the border in the past.

The caravan now plans to travel to the central city of Puebla for a conference, then on to Mexico City for a series of demonstrations -- and end its journey there.

The group, mainly Hondurans, also includes Salvadorans, Guatemalans and Nicaraguans, mostly fleeing the brutal gang violence that has made Central America home to some of the highest murder rates in the world.

[DirtyDan]

Fleeing the gang violence ?

Or bringing it here ?

Dan

[3fan4life]

3fan, I don’t know if that is intended for me or not. But, if you read my responses that is nothing close to what I am saying. I am against slaughtering women and children though.

I'm fairly certain that most of the "Kill them All Let God Sort them out", comments were Tongue and cheek.

At least that's the way that I took them.

But, the question remains, How far do you go to stop someone who is knowingly and willingly breaking the law?

There are no easy answers to the question but the problem must be solved.

Maybe, a well documented and well defined minefield would be one heck of a deterrent.

Yes, it would run the risk of killing women and children.

Personally, I don't have sympathy for anyone that plays with a rattlesnake and gets bitten by it.     

[Robert]

Secretary of Homeland Security Kirstjen Nielsen warned of a flood of illegal immigration in the coming months absent drastic action, in a Thursday morning interview on “Fox and Friends.”

“Given the numbers we had last month, they just came out, 50,000 in April is the number that we interdicted or otherwise was inadmissible. That is a 200 percent increase from March of 2017. This crisis is real. There are many more people coming to take advantage of these loopholes and are being trained by the smugglers,” Nielsen declared.

[..]

Let the games begin. Political and legal.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/adolfoflores/the-central-american-caravan-that-angered-trump-is-nearing?utm_term=.rrlO0WLEqw#.fvXrYXxRpL

[..]

http://news.trust.org/item/20180426013839-roovj

[Jess from VA]

Call in the Apaches.  Rubber bullets would be OK...... at first.