Syria (Non-Valk, here we go again...)

[Serk]

US,UK... and.... FRANCE?!?!?!
You know you done snuggled up if France is willing to lift a sword against you!

...and that's all I've got to say about that...

[Jersey mike]

quite a coalition there. This is a big issue though, Putin has been doing as he pleases and making in your face threats for quite a while. What this leads to we’ll have to see.

[Oss]

standing up for people who are being gassed is the right thing to do

Unfortunately many of those same people want us dead

Still, standing against chemical and biological weapons is the human and humane thing to do

I hope there is a special place in hell for assad, putin and anyone who thinks its ok to kill people whose only crime is being born

[scooperhsd]

standing up for people who are being gassed is the right thing to do

Unfortunately many of those same people want us dead

Still, standing against chemical and biological weapons is the human and humane thing to do

I hope there is a special place in hell for assad, putin and anyone who thinks its ok to kill people whose only crime is being born

It's the same place you can find Adolf Hitler and Josef Stalin (and the Japanese military dictatorship during WWII) and any number of similar types.

[JimC]

Again without the full backing of NATO. I thought we were going to stop being the worlds police force.

Where is the NATO help?  Germany? Canada? Greece? Italy? (others)
I thought they were also part of NATO.

 I agree with sending the message RE: use of chemical weapons, I just think we are placing ourselves out on the limb,
it should be a solid statement from the rest of the world also.

Jim

[semo97]

You will never get 100% from nato, some are there for financial help and just lip service. I would say there was a lot of intel that come from others then just the three that showed up to be seen. There are and is boots and eyes on the ground we just do not know who and we do not need to know.

[Robert]

Interesting night last night and a far cry from Obama's red line. Russia didn't fire any missiles, I wonder why and could it be the strike was not only for chemical weapons but for ISIS, In cooperation with Russia? I wonder if we will see them take out the rebels now. Since Russia knew many days in advance that an attack was coming along with Assad and they moved their equipment to protected Russian areas. Trump said he would never broadcast intentions, do you think he did this for this occasion?

Islamism within a civil war:
The Syrian Muslim
Brotherhood’s struggle for survival
https://www.brookings.edu/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/Syria_Lefevre-FINALE.pdf

WikiLeaks Confirms Hillary Clinton Sold Weapons to ISIS?
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/wikileaks-cofirms-hillary-clinton-sold-weapons-to-isis/

[RDKLL]

Could it also symbolize why we need to review our membership in NATO...and the UN for that matter

[cookiedough]

lets hope WWIII does not come over this, but with Putin in charge, who knows what goes thru his dimented mind 

[Chrisj CMA]

1.  Terrorists will know we mean business. Not like the last president.

2.  The world will have renewed respect for the USA.  Respect we used to have and will have again.

Making America Great Again!

[Motodad71]

MAGA..........let's not forget that Mad dog Mattis is also calling the shots, I trust his judgement with all things military action or not. Putin won't do a damn thing or not much, I bet he is actually impressed with a President who isn't a complete sham. I agree that we can't continue being the world police, but we also shouldn't stand by while a regime is murdering innocent lives with chemical weapons of war.

[Gavin_Sons]

Our weapons of war include AR's, Syria has chemical war heads. Hmmmmmm, kinda makes our AR's seem piddly and the people trying to restrict them seem foolish doesn't it?

[John Schmidt]

Re. NATO, the General Sec'y. of NATO has come out in full support of the action taken. Sounded a bit like wishing the big kid on the block would beat up your nemesis, then when he does you go on social media and congratulate him on a job well done, saying "that's exactly how I would have done it if I had the balls to do so." But again, we don't know how much intel may have been gathered by our NATO cohorts and forwarded on to the three nations that took part in the raid. I was actually surprised to see Schumer(sp?) stating the action was "appropriate"....dang, will wonders never cease?! 

[old2soon]

Speak loudly and follow thru.   NO way to change it BUT stead of johnson amd mc'm what might have transpired had Goldwater been POTUS at that time?           So I did NOT hear of ANY of the Coalition missiles being shot down-is that in fact correct? IF there is a Next time-no warning-just launch the cursed missiles!  Send in a Seal Team and let them do What they DO!  Kudos to The U S of A and The U K and France!  FINALLY-a POTUS with the cojones to DO the effin job!  RIDE SAFE.

[headpeon]

So what did Trump do different than Obama did when he sent the tomahawk missiles onto Syria besides by-passing congress?

https://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/01/world/middleeast/syria.html

Looks like they really work huh? Praise and bow down for the president.

The problem now is what will Putin do? Everybody knows he's a lot smarter than Trump.

[Gavin_Sons]

So what did Trump do different than Obama did when he sent the tomahawk missiles onto Syria besides by-passing congress?

https://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/01/world/middleeast/syria.html

Looks like they really work huh? Praise and bow down for the president.

The problem now is what will Putin do? Everybody knows he's a lot smarter than Trump.

Sounds like you need to move to Russia because you just made anti American comments.  Refer back to your name.  Yep, starting to become clearer why you chose it.

[Chrisj CMA]

So what did Trump do different than Obama did when he sent the tomahawk missiles onto Syria besides by-passing congress?

https://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/01/world/middleeast/syria.html

Looks like they really work huh? Praise and bow down for the president.

The problem now is what will Putin do? Everybody knows he's a lot smarter than Trump.

Whatever he did differently, other intelligent world powers are with us.  Friends can trust us and enemies will fear and respect us again.  What Obama tried to destroy, Trump is rebuilding.  Putin is a mentally challenged paranoid tyrant that grew quite fond of counting on the US to do nothing. Those days are over, Putin is just mad that someone pooped in his sandbox and he knows he won’t do anything about it.

[Alpha Dog]

Putin is old guard KGB.  He is mostly bluster as it works in the stated controlled media homeland of his.  He knows he can not match us not even remotely close, and will not chance any kind of war with us, especially with Trump right now, but no matter who is President he fears us.  Probably few of his people realize how weak Russia is compared to the U.S. and Nato Alliance.  Now he will go in and muck up and create havoc where he can and where he goes unchallenged like in Syria and his friends in Iran and other  places.  Russia has a weak economy based mostly on oil and way to much of the Russian money ends up in Oligarch friends of his and we can easily weaken this by sanctions of those folks and already have to some degree.   Of course his biggest card is the oil supply to Europe and Nukes and this is why the Nato alliance is weak compared to yester year.  Nice that Britain and France stepped up.  Europe should do all they can to become energy self sufficient and rid themselves of this anchor.

[Gavin_Sons]

But everyone knows Putin is smarter 

[Oss]

You dont rise to kgb being stupid, neither do you rise in business having lack of brains.  Trump's audacity is one of our greatest weapons  He understands that embraces it and is smart enough to not give a crap what the media says

The Soviet bear is not helpless and mother russia will do what it needs to for its interests just as we are Finally doing the same.  It has its sphere just as we have the Monroe doctrine.  We ignore theirs at our peril

Both the Chinese and the Russians are not to be taken lightly
but the fun irony for me is they are both scared $hitless of the islamic jihad coming to their neighborhoods.  The Japanese have no such fear, they apparently just dont let followers of Mohammed into the country

My prediction is the next world war will see strange bedfellows indeed

I just hope that day is far into the future and we all survive it as a free country

[headpeon]

But everyone knows Putin is smarter 

Who do you think divided this country?

As it stands now, we all hate each other for having a different opinion and IMO America as a whole will suffer because of this.

Remember the old "Divide and Conquer"? Looks like the days of standing together are over.

[Gavin_Sons]

But everyone knows Putin is smarter 

Who do you think divided this country?

As it stands now, we all hate each other for having a different opinion and IMO America as a whole will suffer because of this.

Remember the old "Divide and Conquer"? Looks like the days of standing together are over.

I think Obama divided the country.

[headpeon]

I agree it started under Obama and only got worse.

[Valker]

I agree it started under Obama and only got worse.

It's ONLY gotten worse because Obama has NOT bowed out. He is still in the business of dividing America. Look at what he has done (not covered by main stream media) since he has left office.

[headpeon]

We definitely see different on that one but the bottom line is, it's not healthy as a country to be this divided and hateful to each other as we are now.

[Gavin_Sons]

We definitely see different on that one but the bottom line is, it's not healthy as a country to be this divided and hateful to each other as we are now.

Agreed, we let government become way too strong. Limit everyone holding an elected position to 2 terms. Same as the president. That way they only have 8 years of destruction instead of a lifetime.

[FryeVRCCDS0067]

I do think there is more going on with this than we know. Why, after we announced we were getting out of Syria would Assad do this? Our response had to be anticipated and I think desired for some reason. The big question is, why?

Whatever the reason behind the attack though, assuming we are sure Assad is behind it, hitting them hard was the correct and only answer. Using chemical weapons against civilians including women and children can never be allowed to become the norm. It's "bug spray" for people and is absolutely evil. But again, WTH was the reasoning behind the chemical attack? Did Putin want us to keep troops there for some reason? It makes no sense.

[3fan4life]

We definitely see different on that one but the bottom line is, it's not healthy as a country to be this divided and hateful to each other as we are now.

If you really believe this, then why are the majority of your posts written in a manner that belittles others and seeks to create division within OUR community?

[RP#62]

So what did Trump do different than Obama did when he sent the tomahawk missiles onto Syria besides by-passing congress?

https://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/01/world/middleeast/syria.html

Looks like they really work huh? Praise and bow down for the president.

The problem now is what will Putin do? Everybody knows he's a lot smarter than Trump.

Obama bypassed congress as well.  The only difference between now and then is that the dems didn't whine about it when Obama did it. 

-RP 

[F6Dave]

I do think there is more going on with this than we know. Why, after we announced we were getting out of Syria would Assad do this? Our response had to be anticipated and I think desired for some reason. The big question is, why?

I had the same thought.  Could some rebels stage an attack in order to get the U.S. to respond against Assad?  Syria is very complicated, and any action could have unintended consequences.  Remember Iraq?

If Assad were removed, the power vacuum could easily be filled by someone much worse.  Russia probably already has someone in mind.  Do we?

Then there are the few remaining Christian communities in Syria.  I've read the current government is tolerant, even somewhat protective, of them.  They could be wiped out if there was a regime change.

Sometimes you have to choose between the lesser of evils.  Such choices guarantee a less than optimal outcome, so you need to make them carefully.

[Skinhead]

Speaks for itself

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3uaf1NFxXc

[Alpha Dog]

Speaks for itself

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3uaf1NFxXc

Had no idea it was the hate Trump 24/7 Network ( whose ratings are abysmal ) when I clicked on.  I left the audio off for 20 seconds and could tell by the scowl on her face she wished she had never done this brief interview.   We want to stay in our country, help us.  Where was your voice in the gassing of 2013.

[Psychotic Bovine]

We definitely see different on that one but the bottom line is, it's not healthy as a country to be this divided and hateful to each other as we are now.

If you really believe this, then why are the majority of your posts written in a manner that belittles others and seeks to create division within OUR community?

I was wondering this very same thing.

[old2soon]

Speaks for itself

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3uaf1NFxXc

Had no idea it was the hate Trump 24/7 Network ( whose ratings are abysmal ) when I clicked on.  I left the audio off for 20 seconds and could tell by the scowl on her face she wished she had never done this brief interview.   We want to stay in our country, help us.  Where was your voice in the gassing of 2013.

                    2013-who wuz prez then?? Self explained. In fact the interviewee made a point of that. RIDE SAFE.

[phideux]

We need to get out of the Middle East and stay out. The people over there have been fighting and killing each other, and anyone who interferes, since before Jesus walked the earth. We ain't gonna stop them unless we wipe them out. The only thing that has changed is the weapons that are used.
So we warned them for a week that we were going to do this, we told the Russians we were entering the airspace before we did this. They removed everything from those areas they wanted to remove before the first missile even got there, we spent about a billion bucks blowing up some empty buildings and didn't take out a single person.

When Saddam was in charge of Iraq, he was a ruthless dictator, but he kept the lights on, the trains running on time and the terrorists in check. We went in and took him out, now the terrorists are crawling everywhere over there. Same thing with Assad, before the rest of the world got involved in Syria, he kept the lights on, the trains running on time and the terrorists in check. Yes he's a ruthless dictator, but over there you need to be.

[Jess from VA]

Fido, it took me a long time to come to the same conclusion.  Saddam, Mubarak, Qaddafi, Assad, et al are/were all bad guys, but the region is far worse off (not better) than when they were in power.

It's really noble to help helpless people, but (excluding Israel and Turkey) the Middle East is like a bottomless pit of never ending misery.  You can't tell the good guys from the bad guys, and it seems impossible to conduct operations over there without killing and maiming innocents (so everyone hates you and tries to kill you).  Humanitarian relief is stolen by strongmen and sold for profit (and the poor get none).

Machiavelli would probably just send over millions of free small (not large) arms and ammunition for everyone and let nature and history take it's course.

And I don't care what anyone else does, I don't want any refugees from over there in my country.... ever, for any reason.

No offense intended to anyone, but if you asked Jesus what he would do, I think he would be leaning toward another flood.       

[Psychotic Bovine]

The upside to this is that it's good training for the ship crews and it's good to test a random batch of Tomahawks occasionally.

[rocketray]

How many Russians have been invited to the Bilderburg conferences the last 10 years? Hillary was invited 2012--google it...try "RT" to hear the other side of the story...it appears that Iran is in Syria which borders Israel..and that is what this is all about....google "what part of the media do the Rothschilds own"

[headpeon]

We definitely see different on that one but the bottom line is, it's not healthy as a country to be this divided and hateful to each other as we are now.

If you really believe this, then why are the majority of your posts written in a manner that belittles others and seeks to create division within OUR community?

I know I can have a differing opinion at times and sorry if a few of you have taken me the wrong way. Just trying to state an opinion and I know I'm in a minority on my thinking especially on a motorcycle forum.

But seriously, am I the only one that is alarmed the direction this country has went with decisiveness and all the name calling?

[Oss]

Decisiveness is good
Divisiveness not so much

Speaking only for myself. I am a registered Democrat who is more happy than not with the direction we are going....which is improvement in economy.. trade policies...and not bowing down to kiss the ring of tyrants

I never trust media...not because it may be controlled by a family which h I find inane but because it is influenced by other powerful entities that do not have our Constitutional rights on their agenda

Keep speaking your mind while.respecting rules of the road sorry if spelling I'm in court with tiny screen