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98valk
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« on: May 07, 2018, 06:58:58 PM »

https://www.truthdig.com/articles/on-this-earth-day-demand-freedom-for-siwatu-salama-ra/

Her mother, Rhonda Anderson, added: “She’s using her car as a weapon. When I could not move, that’s when I was the most frightened. She was so close to hitting me that I can feel the car on my clothes.”

Siwatu continued: “That’s when I made the decision to reach for my firearm, that was unloaded, with no bullets. I was afraid. And I told her, ‘You have to leave now.'”

Siwatu was licensed to carry a concealed firearm. The assailant quickly snapped photos of her holding the gun, then fled to a police station, where she filed a report. Siwatu filed a police complaint as well, several hours later. Unbelievably, the police contend that whoever in a conflict files the police report first is considered, automatically, the victim. The second person is automatically considered the aggressor.

Following that bizarre logic, the police never followed up on Siwatu’s complaint. Rather, several weeks later, a SWAT team descended on her home and arrested her.

The jury trial went twice as long as the judge predicted. As the jury began deliberating, a massive snowstorm was heading to Detroit, adding pressure on jurors to render a verdict quickly. Critically, the jury was never told that the charges carried a mandatory minimum two-year sentence, meaning that the judge could not use any discretion. The jurors found Siwatu guilty of two of three charges. Her conviction is on appeal.

Siwatu is the co-director of the East Michigan Environmental Action Council, where she started as a youth leader in her teens. Michael Brune, executive director of the Sierra Club, said in a statement: “Siwatu has spent her life fighting environmental injustice and pushing back against the big polluters who are violating the law to poison her community. She does this difficult work against the backdrop of a legal system and society that disproportionately oppress people of color, particularly Black women, at every turn.”

Brune continued: “Her unjust incarceration during a high-risk pregnancy is just one example of the racism people of color in our country experience every day. Her story underscores the reality that our struggles are all deeply connected — from environmental justice to the fight against racialized oppression in the criminal justice system.”
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« Reply #1 on: May 07, 2018, 07:07:21 PM »

Pretty incomplete story.  What did the police hear that we did not?  What did the jury hear that we did not?
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« Reply #2 on: May 07, 2018, 07:34:19 PM »

If this case is as it appears on the surface (And a preliminary search hasn't turned up anything to refute it, but most of the sources are heavily left wing biased) then THIS is a PERFECT case where my NRA should rise up loud and proud to defend this woman; the right of self defense is a universal right, not just for white folks.

I will keep an eye out for anything further to explain the situation, but on the surface this isn't right.

My NRA missed an opportunity to reach out to the black community by NOT crying out about the shooting of Philando Castile, I hope they research this case and respond appropriately, and don't let another opportunity to welcome all pass us by.

It is possible to both "Back the Blue" and call out wrongs as well, you can back 'em when they're in the right and call 'em out when they're not.

Although I saw many African Americans on Saturday, on Friday I noted that I saw more men in kilts at the NRA member meeting than I saw black folks. This must change, self defense is for all.
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« Reply #3 on: May 07, 2018, 11:48:48 PM »

If this case is as it appears on the surface (And a preliminary search hasn't turned up anything to refute it, but most of the sources are heavily left wing biased) then THIS is a PERFECT case where my NRA should rise up loud and proud to defend this woman; the right of self defense is a universal right, not just for white folks.

I will keep an eye out for anything further to explain the situation, but on the surface this isn't right.

My NRA missed an opportunity to reach out to the black community by NOT crying out about the shooting of Philando Castile, I hope they research this case and respond appropriately, and don't let another opportunity to welcome all pass us by.

It is possible to both "Back the Blue" and call out wrongs as well, you can back 'em when they're in the right and call 'em out when they're not.

Although I saw many African Americans on Saturday, on Friday I noted that I saw more men in kilts at the NRA member meeting than I saw black folks. This must change, self defense is for all.


I'm as pro-gun as they come.  But I am very suspicious of a story that leaves out so much pertinent information.  We're only hearing one side of the story.  What led up to the encounter?  Since they brought race into it, what was the race of the other person?  Etc, etc.  Everyone wants to yell racism at every turn.  Even if she was wronged, which is far from certain, what evidence is there that indicates it was race based?
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« Reply #4 on: May 08, 2018, 04:12:52 AM »

In Detroit, the racism is against the non-blacks.  I grew up in Pittsburgh and moved to Detroit in 1983.  It is one of the most racist cities I have ever been in, but it isn't directed at the blacks.

I'm also  sure there is more to this story.
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« Reply #5 on: May 08, 2018, 05:00:36 AM »

If this case is as it appears on the surface (And a preliminary search hasn't turned up anything to refute it, but most of the sources are heavily left wing biased) then THIS is a PERFECT case where my NRA should rise up loud and proud to defend this woman; the right of self defense is a universal right, not just for white folks.

I will keep an eye out for anything further to explain the situation, but on the surface this isn't right.

My NRA missed an opportunity to reach out to the black community by NOT crying out about the shooting of Philando Castile, I hope they research this case and respond appropriately, and don't let another opportunity to welcome all pass us by.

It is possible to both "Back the Blue" and call out wrongs as well, you can back 'em when they're in the right and call 'em out when they're not.

Although I saw many African Americans on Saturday, on Friday I noted that I saw more men in kilts at the NRA member meeting than I saw black folks. This must change, self defense is for all.


I'm as pro-gun as they come.  But I am very suspicious of a story that leaves out so much pertinent information.  We're only hearing one side of the story.  What led up to the encounter?  Since they brought race into it, what was the race of the other person?  Etc, etc.  Everyone wants to yell racism at every turn.  Even if she was wronged, which is far from certain, what evidence is there that indicates it was race based?

I understand, not saying anything improper happened, but it wouldn't hurt to get the whole story out there to either vindicate the good guys or find one of the rare instances of a good guy being mistakenly made out to be a bad guy.

I think if the NRA were to just make a statement that they have heard about this and will look into it it'd make a big impression on folks we need on our side that might be leery of the NRA because of all the false propaganda out there.
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« Reply #6 on: May 08, 2018, 05:28:38 PM »

Yeah, there is definitely more to this story. Who is the other person?? I'm sure they know each other since the other person, according to the story, was there to drop of a child at the residence. This is not just a casual encounter between strangers.
I'm thinking, with the dropping off the kid aspect, probably bad blood with a rival Baby-Momma or something like that. I'll bet it is some sort of long standing, on going problem between the two.
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