Is this how low and petty we have become ?

[The emperor has no clothes]

Meathead, to answer your original question. There is no low too low for this administration. It seems like not a day goes by that they don't find another way.

And there is no shortage of those that will find some way to defend it.

Sad.

Bob, I understand all that. What I am really saddened about is how a man who has given much to his country in the twilight of his career and life is being denigrated, all because he opposed a CIA nominee based on his strongly held belief that torture is wrong. There seems to be no bottom that both sides will stoop to in this tribal warfare.

I am saddened that you think that's the only reason he's being denigrated.  I don't agree with wishing anyone harm because of their political beliefs but lighten up, its not like anyone is holding up a replica of his severed head.

-RP

I realize there are many of his political decisions that piss people off. The vote to repeal Obamacare being #1. But that really has nothing to do with his military service. (I gave up on dieting long ago) 

[phideux]

Meathead, to answer your original question. There is no low too low for this administration. It seems like not a day goes by that they don't find another way.

And there is no shortage of those that will find some way to defend it.

Sad.

Bob, I understand all that. What I am really saddened about is how a man who has given much to his country in the twilight of his career and life is being denigrated, all because he opposed a CIA nominee based on his strongly held belief that torture is wrong. There seems to be no bottom that both sides will stoop to in this tribal warfare.

What has he given to this country in the "twilight of his career"?? First off, politics should not be a career, it should be a public service. In this twilight of his career he has been a poster boy for term limits, as is most of the senate and congress, on both sides of the aisle.
I applaud him and honor him for his service, as I applaud and honor all service people. I do not applaud anyone for a career in politics, there should be no such thing.
So what has he done in this twilight of his career?? The serve the people who voted for him based on his Conservative, Republican values???

[Serk]

So what has he done in this twilight of his career??

What has he done? He's somehow managed to amass a net worth of around $21,000,000 while spending the last 35 years as a humble politician, that's what he's done.

As you said, he's become the poster boy for term limits. He's been in congress since VHS tapes were new and shiny. Freaking ridiculous.

If he had a shred of honor and decency left he'd resign and go spend his remaining days peacefully at the Fletcher Memorial Home for Incurable Tyrants and Kings, where he can appear to himself everyday on closed circuit TV.

[The emperor has no clothes]

So what has he done in this twilight of his career??

What has he done? He's somehow managed to amass a net worth of around $21,000,000 while spending the last 35 years as a humble politician, that's what he's done.

As you said, he's become the poster boy for term limits. He's been in congress since VHS tapes were new and shiny. Freaking ridiculous.

If he had a shred of honor and decency left he'd resign and go spend his remaining days peacefully at the Fletcher Memorial Home for Incurable Tyrants and Kings, where he can appear to himself everyday on closed circuit TV.

I think he married into most of that money. I’m all for term limits myself.

[Serk]

I think he married into most of that money. I’m all for term limits myself.

Nope. Her net worth is north of $100,000,000. The $21,000,000 is just his on his own.

[The emperor has no clothes]

Meathead, to answer your original question. There is no low too low for this administration. It seems like not a day goes by that they don't find another way.

And there is no shortage of those that will find some way to defend it.

Sad.

Bob, I understand all that. What I am really saddened about is how a man who has given much to his country in the twilight of his career and life is being denigrated, all because he opposed a CIA nominee based on his strongly held belief that torture is wrong. There seems to be no bottom that both sides will stoop to in this tribal warfare.

What has he given to this country in the "twilight of his career"?? First off, politics should not be a career, it should be a public service. In this twilight of his career he has been a poster boy for term limits, as is most of the senate and congress, on both sides of the aisle.
I applaud him and honor him for his service, as I applaud and honor all service people. I do not applaud anyone for a career in politics, there should be no such thing.
So what has he done in this twilight of his career?? The serve the people who voted for him based on his Conservative, Republican values???

I should have thrown a couple commas in my statement. I meant: he has given much to his country, and now that he is in the twilight of his life and career this is the treatment he gets from the Whitehouse and a retired General.

From the responses here I guess the answer is, yes this is where we have come.  

[The emperor has no clothes]

I think he married into most of that money. I’m all for term limits myself.

Nope. Her net worth is north of $100,000,000. The $21,000,000 is just his on his own.

I stand corrected. Thank you.

[Pete]

Meathead, to answer your original question. There is no low too low for this administration. It seems like not a day goes by that they don't find another way.

And there is no shortage of those that will find some way to defend it.

Sad.

Bob, I understand all that. What I am really saddened about is how a man who has given much to his country in the twilight of his career and life is being denigrated, all because he opposed a CIA nominee based on his strongly held belief that torture is wrong. There seems to be no bottom that both sides will stoop to in this tribal warfare.

Massive over simple reasoning. It is not just one position or even on simple screw up it is the accumulation over the last 30 years of showing his butt way to often.

[RDAbull]

If she apologized then that's it. Its over. I don't see McCain apologizing for anything he ever said about Trump nor anyone else. Who expresses that they do not want someone to attend their funeral. SAD

What is it he said about Trump that you think he should apologize for ? If there was somebody I felt strongly about, I would make it known that I didn't want them at my funeral. Would you want Hillary Clinton or Barak Obama attending yours ?

No, but I wouldn't mind going to both of theirs.

[The emperor has no clothes]

Meathead, to answer your original question. There is no low too low for this administration. It seems like not a day goes by that they don't find another way.

And there is no shortage of those that will find some way to defend it.

Sad.

Bob, I understand all that. What I am really saddened about is how a man who has given much to his country in the twilight of his career and life is being denigrated, all because he opposed a CIA nominee based on his strongly held belief that torture is wrong. There seems to be no bottom that both sides will stoop to in this tribal warfare.

Massive over simple reasoning. It is not just one position or even on simple screw up it is the accumulation over the last 30 years of showing his butt way to often.

For someone who makes accusations about his dishonor, you sure provide little actual info to back up your claims.  

[The emperor has no clothes]

If she apologized then that's it. Its over. I don't see McCain apologizing for anything he ever said about Trump nor anyone else. Who expresses that they do not want someone to attend their funeral. SAD

What is it he said about Trump that you think he should apologize for ? If there was somebody I felt strongly about, I would make it known that I didn't want them at my funeral. Would you want Hillary Clinton or Barak Obama attending yours ?

No, but I wouldn't mind going to both of theirs.

Who knows, maybe you’ll be invited.

[phideux]

So what has he done in this twilight of his career??

What has he done? He's somehow managed to amass a net worth of around $21,000,000 while spending the last 35 years as a humble politician, that's what he's done.

As you said, he's become the poster boy for term limits. He's been in congress since VHS tapes were new and shiny. Freaking ridiculous.

If he had a shred of honor and decency left he'd resign and go spend his remaining days peacefully at the Fletcher Memorial Home for Incurable Tyrants and Kings, where he can appear to himself everyday on closed circuit TV.

I think he married into most of that money. I’m all for term limits myself.

Actually he married into a 200 million dollar fortune, that 21 million or so dollars he amassed himself on his "public servant" salary".

Fletcher Memorial Home, I like it.
I saw them guys when I was but a wee lad when the did that album with the flying pig.

[Serk]

Fletcher Memorial Home, I like it.
I saw them guys when I was but a wee lad when the did that album with the flying pig.

Oh good, I was hoping at least one person would get the reference...

Shame Roger Waters has turned out to be such a massive antisemite though, but I can still respect his incredible skill as a musician and a lyricist.

Much like I can respect John McCain's history as a US Veteran and the things he endured in service to this nation but still think he's a worthless pile of garbage that needs to just go away for what he's done to this country for the last 30 years.

[DirtyDan]

My favorite band

Just listened to amused to death. Great album

Dan

[Serk]

My favorite band

Just listened to amused to death. Great album

Dan

Amused to Death is my "Stuck on a desert island with only one album to listen to for the rest of your life" album.

"Watching TV" is specifically the best song on the best album ever, in my ever so humble opinion.

But Roger Waters is still a snuggling you know what as far as a person goes...

...dangit... think I'll pop that album on now, it's been a while since I last gave it a listen.

[Pete]

Meathead, to answer your original question. There is no low too low for this administration. It seems like not a day goes by that they don't find another way.

And there is no shortage of those that will find some way to defend it.

Sad.

Bob, I understand all that. What I am really saddened about is how a man who has given much to his country in the twilight of his career and life is being denigrated, all because he opposed a CIA nominee based on his strongly held belief that torture is wrong. There seems to be no bottom that both sides will stoop to in this tribal warfare.

Massive over simple reasoning. It is not just one position or even on simple screw up it is the accumulation over the last 30 years of showing his butt way to often.

For someone who makes accusations about his dishonor, you sure provide little actual info to back up your claims.  

That was a statement not a claim.
What part of I will not do you research for you confuses you?
If you did not find it when you started this thread, you did not look. It is everywhere.
You seem to be under the mistaken impression that I am trying to convince you of something.
I realize you mind is already made up, why would I waste my time trying to change it?

[The emperor has no clothes]

Have a great evening Pete 

[Robert]

Her comment was leaked and maybe a point of fact, but with Washington being what it is was the normal consideration in policy making.

He is not dead, he is still very active in policy making, he is still doing everything he has always done and now without abandon since he no longer has anything to worry about. Maybe except making sure his relatives are taken care of.

Its between him and his maker but I think we will see him around for awhile though he resigns from office.

When he fully resigns from office and is in the hospital then I think the problems of his carer should be set aside, not when he is active, participates in every area and some say works against this country and the press and left uses this a sympathy play.  

Let me ask the faint hearted here:

 If you had a job that was going to pay you regardless and there was nothing negative financially or any area that would happen by quitting and enjoying your last days, would you spend time in that job or would you be out spending time on things that matter?  ???

Or maybe he is doing the things that matter and thats why with he is still there, unlike most of us would say bye immediately. There are some patriots that will not even mention his name the ultimate rebuke.

He had to leave the hospital to torpedo the health care vote.


Some of his works below

Senator John McCain made a secret trip to a Kurdish-held region in northern Syria the week of February 20th, 2017, to speak with US military officials, rebel fighters, and leaders in the region.

John McCain’s most horrendous loss occurred in 1967 on the USS Forrestal. Well, not horrendous for him. The starter motor switch on the A4E Skyhawk allowed fuel to pool in the engine. When the aircraft was “wet-started,” an impressive flame would shoot from the tail. It was one of the ways young hot-shots got their jollies.

Investigators and survivors took the position that John McCain deliberately wet-started to harass the F4 pilot directly behind him. The cook off launched an M34 Zuni rocket that tore through the Skyhawk’s fuel tank, released a thousand pound bomb, and ignited a fire that killed the pilot plus 167 men. Before the tally of dead and dying was complete, the son and grandson of admirals had been transferred to the USS Oriskany.

As a rising naval officer, John McCain was surrounded by rumors of numerous adulterous affairs, such as used to be called “conduct unbecoming an officer.” Author and biographer Robert Timberg has detailed several of McCain’s sexual relationships with subordinates when serving as a Squadron Leader and an Executive Officer. I think we all know such behavior is a clear violation of the Uniform Code of Military Justice, in other words, a crime

Jack McLamb is a highly respected name in law enforcement circles. After 9 years of clandestine operations in Cambodia and unmentionable areas, he returned home to Phoenix where he became one of the most decorated police officers on record. Twice McLamb was named Officer of the Year. He went on to become an FBI hostage negotiator. This man has stated that every one of the many former POWs he has talked with consider McCain a traitor.

States McLamb, “He was never tortured…The Vietnamese Communists called him the Songbird, that’s his code name, Songbird McCain, because he just came into the camp singing and telling them everything they wanted to know.” McLamb further quotes former POWs as saying John McCain starred in 32 propaganda videos in which he denounced his country and comrades.

McCain, also known as senator hyphen around D.C., frequently partners with members of the far left. The McCain-Feingold Campaign Finance Reform Bill was an obvious, full-frontal attack on the First Amendment – perhaps the most blatant since the Sedition Act 200 years previous. Specifically, it outlawed the most protected of free speech, political dissent.

It’s not clear whether the taped confession McCain gave to his captors to avoid further torture has played a role in his postwar behavior in the Senate. That confession was played endlessly over the prison loudspeaker system at Hoa Lo—to try to break down other prisoners—and was broadcast over Hanoi’s state radio. Reportedly, he confessed to being a war criminal who had bombed civilian targets. The Pentagon has a copy of the confession but will not release it. Also, no outsider I know of has ever seen a non-redacted copy of the debriefing of McCain when he returned from captivity, which is classified but could be made public by McCain.

[MP]

Isn't the duty of a politician to. "serve their voters and state"?

If so, how can one serve by not showing up for months, unable to do the job, and with prognosis of NEVER AGAIN being able to do so?

This applies to all, not just McCain.

If he truly wants to serve, would not resigning and allowing someone else to actually serve the people be the honorable thing to do?

Seems like his ego won't let him do that.

[Pete]

Isn't the duty of a politician to. "serve their voters and state"?

If so, how can one serve by not showing up for months, unable to do the job, and with prognosis of NEVER AGAIN being able to do so?

This applies to all, not just McCain.

If he truly wants to serve, would not resigning and allowing someone else to actually serve the people be the honorable thing to do?

Seems like his ego won't let him do that.

Excellent point, good comment. ++

[Pete]

Have a great evening Pete 

Thanks very much and you to.
 

[Pete]

Robert.
Thanks for doing MH's research work, I hope he appreciates it.
I am sure that somehow it was not McCain's fault or that he was mis-represented/quoted or he did not intend to.

Based on his continual re-election I have often suspected that the voters in AZ are not paying attention.

Thanks again

[The emperor has no clothes]

Robert.
Thanks for doing MH's research work, I hope he appreciates it.
I am sure that somehow it was not McCain's fault or that he was mis-represented/quoted or he did not intend to.

Based on his continual re-election I have often suspected that the voters in AZ are not paying attention.

Thanks again

If this is your so called "research", you and Robert should be ashamed of yourselves. But I doubt that's possible.

[Robert]

I am ashamed when appropriate and sometimes unexpectedly but I also don’t let my emotions run away with me and don’t call evil good.

[98valk]

"I have tremendous respect for McCain but I don't buy the war hero thing. Anybody can be captured. I thought the idea was to capture them. As far as I'm concerned he sat out the war."
--Al Franken, 2000

[Pete]

Robert.
Thanks for doing MH's research work, I hope he appreciates it.
I am sure that somehow it was not McCain's fault or that he was mis-represented/quoted or he did not intend to.

Based on his continual re-election I have often suspected that the voters in AZ are not paying attention.

Thanks again

If this is your so called "research", you and Robert should be ashamed of yourselves. But I doubt that's possible.

Speaking of petty.
Thanks for proving my point so lucidly.
And citing/doing no opposition research? - pot/kettle

[Jess from VA]

I've stayed out of this one.

All I can say is my heart goes out to anyone who suffered at the hands of the Japanese in WWII, the N. Koreans in Korea, and the N. Vietnamese in Vietnam.

If you've never read Robinson Risner's book The Passing of the Night: My Seven Years as a Prisoner of the North Vietnameseyou should, if you can take it.

That said, a POW's experience is not a pass for the conduct of the remainder of their lives.

We all owe a life, and are judged on all of it. 

[Skinhead]

Five years To Freedom by Col Nick Rowe is another good one.  After his escape he became head of the US Army Escape and survival school. 

There is also a book on the Japanese POW camp in the Philippines Cabanitain  (sp), that is a testament to the human will to survive.  I would not want to be a POW, Hogan's Heroes it's not.

[Robert]

John McCain: Yes, It Was I Who Handed Comey The Unverified Trump Dossier

National Rifle Association top lobbyist James Jay Baker, now with a private Washington lobbying firm. Baker’s addition to this “growing kitchen cabinet” exposes one of McCain’s most glaring weaknesses in his efforts to appeal to the Republican base necessary to secure the nomination: McCain has a very big problem with the pro-gun vote. They think he’s a weasel and a turncoat.

McCain’s “gun problem” stems from two issues: his successful campaign to enact the McCain-Feingold campaign finance reform package and his failed Congressional efforts to regulate all sales at gun shows (conducted in a high-profile partnership with Connecticut Senator Joe Lieberman and backed by a group called Americans for Gun Safety,

John McCain sponsored an amendment to S. 1805 that would destroy gun shows by outlawing private gun sales at such events, although they have been proven to not be a significant source of criminals’ weapons.

so-called Campaign Finance Reform Bill wouldn’t mind if we took a cursory look at his donors. They include the sinister international currency manipulator George Soros, JP Morgan Chase & Company, Citigroup, Goldman Sachs, and Lehman Brothers. In other words, John McCain is backed by most of the usual suspects who back “the competition.”

According to WorldNetDaily, since 2001, this candidate has receiving funding via the Reform Institute of Alexandria, Virginia, founded to launder money from George Soros’ Open Society Institute and Theresa Heinz Kerry’s Tides Foundation. Let’s just know who owns whom. All this only makes sense. The senator is a long-time member of the Council on Foreign Relations, a one-worlder, an ultimate insider.

Does anybody remember the Keating Five debacle from 1987 that cost depositors and taxpayers $160 million?

John McCain has called Christian leaders “agents of intolerance.” John McCain often crosses the aisle to block the confirmation of conservative judges with strict construction leanings.

His record on taxes is clear; he likes them. Senator hyphen has co-sponsored ill conceived legislation that would boost gasoline prices by more than half a dollar a gallon. And he supports radical global warming measures that would significantly disadvantage the U.S.

[..]

Pretty petty   

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/05/11/connecticut-school-calls-police-after-student-makes-points-lego-gun-at-classmates.html

[Rams]

Personally, I hope they find the leaker and address the issue.  Closed door meetings are just that, closed.   Not to be discussed out side that venu.

Rams

[¿spoom]

The current behavior isn't, "new", so it isn't what we've become. It's what leakers and social media have revealed when it used to be kept secret. Not saying that's good or bad, just how society has changed regarding keeping bad behavior and language secret. Some Kennedy's banged anything that they could catch, and the Secret Service and reporters generally sat on it. Folks are overly upset on the recent McCain remarks because it's convenient to their cause. As mentioned, they were private remarks in a now public forum, at the most they should have brought private apologies and that's it. Picture Trump saying this instead of LBJ;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1rIDmDWSms it would have made the evening paper and billboards would have been up within a week.
Or maybe LBJ's famous;
"These Negroes, they’re getting pretty uppity these days and that’s a problem for us since they’ve got something now they never had before, the political pull to back up their uppityness. Now we’ve got to do something about this, we’ve got to give them a little something, just enough to quiet them down, not enough to make a difference. For if we don’t move at all, then their allies will line up against us and there’ll be no way of stopping them, we’ll lose the filibuster and there’ll be no way of putting a brake on all sorts of wild legislation. It’ll be Reconstruction all over again."
Not to mention the famous boast about having them vote Democrat for 100-200 years (depending on what source) in exchange for a few crumbs. My paraphrasing, not a quote.
I mention this because despite his personal feelings, the time/way/place he was brought up, etc. LBJ was a very strong, courageous force along with RFK towards getting the Civil Rights Act passed. Even if he did refer to often in closed meetings as the black person Bill

[Wizzard]

If she apologized then that's it. Its over. I don't see McCain apologizing for anything he ever said about Trump nor anyone else. Who expresses that they do not want someone to attend their funeral. SAD

What is it he said about Trump that you think he should apologize for ? If there was somebody I felt strongly about, I would make it known that I didn't want them at my funeral. Would you want Hillary Clinton or Barak Obama attending yours ?

No, but I wouldn't mind going to both of theirs.

Roger that!!  And I could care less who attends my funeral. At that point I am happy as I am in paradise... minus the virgins,, lol,, that would be hell to wake up to dozens of virgins. One was enough