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Robert
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« on: May 13, 2018, 04:44:17 PM »

We are now able to see the true Iran deal and why certain countries have scrambled to save the deal and why Kerry and others are going around trying to save the deal. Iran was not being hurt at all.

http://www.iran-daily.com/News/214793.html

Sections of this article:

“US Iran sanctions are hardly hitting any US companies, but aim primarily at European ones,” Carl Bildt, the former leader of Sweden who is now co-chair of the European Council on Foreign Relations, said in a tweet. The EU has in the past found this utterly unacceptable, he added, though it was unclear still how European leaders would respond.

In December 2016, Airbus signed a deal with Iran’s national carrier, Iran Air, to sell it 100 airplanes for around $19 billion at list prices. Boeing later struck its own deal with Iran Air for 80 aircraft with a list price of some $17 billion, promising that deliveries would begin in 2017 and run until 2025. Boeing separately struck another 30-airplane deal with Iran’s Aseman Airlines for $3 billion at list prices.


 French oil company Total SA has been the most aggressive Western oil company to move back into Iran, signing in July a $5 billion, 20-year agreement with Iran. A Chinese oil company also has a deal to develop the country’s massive South Pars offshore natural gas field.

 In other sectors, French carmaker PSA Peugeot Citroen reached a deal in 2016 to open a plant producing 200,000 vehicles annually in Iran. It said Wednesday that it is studying the implications of the US move and hopes the European Union will have a united position on the Iranian sanctions.

German Finance Minister Olaf Scholz vowed on Wednesday to try to protect European companies from any adverse effects from the US president’s decision.

A group representing German trade interests said the US decision to withdraw from the deal will hit German companies and urged the EU to protect their interests. Trade between Germany and Iran reached 3.4 billion euros ($4 billion) last year, according to BGA, another foreign trade association.” What about Total S.A.? Total S.A. is a French multinational integrated oil and gas company and one of the seven "Supermajor" oil companies in the world.

European Companies Rushed to Invest in Iran. What Now?
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/09/business/iran-nuclear-trump-business-europe.html

It was never about World Wide safety & security. It was never about Nuclear disarmament. It was about opening a new untapped market. It was about securing a black site. The ‘Exchange’. Risk the welfare of the world. Why? Money.

$1.7b in-cash transfer to Iran [4 routes][5 planes]. Did the total withdrawal actually depart EU? Why EU? bribe, kickback. Special Interest Groups . What US/EU Co’s Immediately closed large deals in Iran post deal? Cross check Co’s against political + foundation payments. Why are people panicking about Iran deal pullout? THEY NEVER THOUGHT SHE WOULD LOSE.

What CEOs have resigned post POTUS election? Cross check against Co’s in Iran post deal.
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« Reply #1 on: May 13, 2018, 06:21:38 PM »

Makes sense to me! Thanks for the post.
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Savago
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« Reply #2 on: May 14, 2018, 12:27:02 PM »

The Iran deal required they to renounce for 10 years (IIRC) enriching uranium/plutonium to weapons grade and as a compensation, it would open the country to foreign investments.

So far, it seems that they are upholding to the deal (given the independent teams sent to their sites to verify their nuclear plants).

It really puzzles me how breaking out from the deal would be good for the USA, as that gives Iran incentive to just resume their nuclear program...

It also weakens any talks between USA and North Korea... why sign a deal with Americans if they won't respect the signed deal?

Given the low popularity numbers of Mr. Trump, I wouldn't be surprised if his real objective is to start a war just to distract the American public and stay in power for the next couple years (it worked fine for Bush, why not repeat the strategy?).
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« Reply #3 on: May 14, 2018, 12:32:50 PM »

Given the low popularity numbers of Mr. Trump, I wouldn't be surprised if his real objective is to start a war just to distract the American public and stay in power for the next couple years (it worked fine for Bush, why not repeat the strategy?).


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« Reply #4 on: May 14, 2018, 01:15:47 PM »

Given the low popularity numbers of Mr. Trump, I wouldn't be surprised if his real objective is to start a war just to distract the American public and stay in power for the next couple years (it worked fine for Bush, why not repeat the strategy?).




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« Reply #5 on: May 14, 2018, 01:34:06 PM »

Iran’s Foreign Minister Threatens to Expose Western Diplomats Who Took Bribes to Create the Iran Nuclear Deal.

https://www.redstate.com/streiff/2018/05/13/irans-foreign-minister-threatens-expose-western-diplomats-took-bribes-create-iran-nuclear-deal/
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« Reply #6 on: May 14, 2018, 04:28:19 PM »

The Iran deal required they to renounce for 10 years (IIRC) enriching uranium/plutonium to weapons grade and as a compensation, it would open the country to foreign investments.

So far, it seems that they are upholding to the deal (given the independent teams sent to their sites to verify their nuclear plants).

It really puzzles me how breaking out from the deal would be good for the USA, as that gives Iran incentive to just resume their nuclear program...

It also weakens any talks between USA and North Korea... why sign a deal with Americans if they won't respect the signed deal?

Given the low popularity numbers of Mr. Trump, I wouldn't be surprised if his real objective is to start a war just to distract the American public and stay in power for the next couple years (it worked fine for Bush, why not repeat the strategy?).


How does anyone know if they are upholding their end of the deal?? Their end of the deal requires a 30 day notice before inspectors can check anything.

How does this weaken any talks between the US and North Korea??? Look who made the Iran deal compared to who is talking to North Korea.

If the Iran deal benefits mostly Europe and the rest of the world, why did Obama give them 150 billion dollars??? Plus another 400 million in a hostage exchange??

We need to keep our ass out of the middle east, nobody there is our friend.
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Robert
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« Reply #7 on: May 14, 2018, 05:22:55 PM »

Why is Iran in Syria

Why is Iran the biggest supporter of Hamas?

Why was there an explosion in Syria 2km or 1.2 miles below the ground when bombed that set a 2 on the Richter scale?

Why are Iranian troops in Syria?
 
If you know where a countries secrets are and take steps to remove those secrets doesn't that show who really holds the power?



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Savago
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« Reply #8 on: May 14, 2018, 08:17:55 PM »

@phideux: worthy checking
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/obama-bribed-iran-400-million-to-release-u-s-prisoners/

and
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/08/us/politics/trump-fact-check-iran-nuclear-deal.html

@Robert: you claim that either Iran or Syria owns nukes?

IIRC, a nuke explosion has a pretty characteristic seismograph shape, anyone in the world would pick up the waves (even non-liberal researchers), this is something that cannot be hidden.

Guys... let's face it: Trump ending the deal doesn't make any sense.
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Gavin_Sons
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« Reply #9 on: May 15, 2018, 02:24:38 AM »

@phideux: worthy checking
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/obama-bribed-iran-400-million-to-release-u-s-prisoners/

and
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/08/us/politics/trump-fact-check-iran-nuclear-deal.html

@Robert: you claim that either Iran or Syria owns nukes?

IIRC, a nuke explosion has a pretty characteristic seismograph shape, anyone in the world would pick up the waves (even non-liberal researchers), this is something that cannot be hidden.

Guys... let's face it: Trump ending the deal doesn't make any sense.

So you mouth the USA and praise terrorist countries? Ever thought about moving to Iran? Maybe you should.
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Savago
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« Reply #10 on: May 15, 2018, 07:45:17 AM »

@Gavins: I neither praised Iran or ' bad mouthed' USA.
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« Reply #11 on: May 15, 2018, 10:01:11 AM »

The Iran deal required they to renounce for 10 years (IIRC) enriching uranium/plutonium to weapons grade and as a compensation, it would open the country to foreign investments.

So far, it seems that they are upholding to the deal (given the independent teams sent to their sites to verify their nuclear plants).

It really puzzles me how breaking out from the deal would be good for the USA, as that gives Iran incentive to just resume their nuclear program...

It also weakens any talks between USA and North Korea... why sign a deal with Americans if they won't respect the signed deal?

Given the low popularity numbers of Mr. Trump, I wouldn't be surprised if his real objective is to start a war just to distract the American public and stay in power for the next couple years (it worked fine for Bush, why not repeat the strategy?).


Still think you would be happier in Iran with like minded people.
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Savago
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« Reply #12 on: May 15, 2018, 10:41:19 AM »

It seems that in your mind Trump ==  USA.

You are wrong.

The USA is much bigger and better than any president. It is an idea, a concept of freedom and liberty. A land of opportunity, where questioning authority and denying born nobility is at the core of its foundation.

So why don't you move to Russia or North Korea? They love their 'president' there, and people who don't... let's just say that they disappear.

I think you would be happier there with like minded people.
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« Reply #13 on: May 15, 2018, 10:49:49 AM »

It seems that in your mind Trump ==  USA.

You are wrong.

The USA is much bigger and better than any president. It is an idea, a concept of freedom and liberty. A land of opportunity, where questioning authority and denying born nobility is at the core of its foundation.


cooldude you seem to have a pretty accurate idea of  “America” . Too bad some of our citizens born here don’t understand this concept.
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« Reply #14 on: May 15, 2018, 11:13:54 AM »

Yeah but there is a difference between "questioning" and disrespect and denying authority. I do not agree with everything a president does 100% and doubt I ever will, but i still respect the office and support our country. If you want to deny the electoral and the peoples will then you can do that, but it won't change a thing.
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