I have no words

[_Sheffjs_]

Today while in traffic.  They have some of this correct.

[Chrisj CMA]

B8IIF.      ?? 

[JimC]

I think Jerry is referring to the Harley sticker on the Honda vehicle.

Jim

[Chrisj CMA]

I think Jerry is referring to the Harley sticker on the Honda vehicle.

Jim

Oh, ok

[RDKLL]

Ohhhhhh

[Farside]

  Too funny, I guess they have their  priorities right though. It is kids safe and a pretty reliable van. Mom approved and dad had to add his Harley sticker to let all know he's cool!  

[indybobm]

Thank goodness Harley does not make cars. Who could afford them?

[Bighead]

Yeah had a guy years back say something to me about riding a Jap bike while on my fat girl...and I simply replied that my bike was made in the USA and even though he had a HD sticker on the back window of his suv it was still a toyota and made in Japan......he was dumbfounded and didnt say another word

[The emperor has no clothes]

Model   Manufacturing Location
 4Runner    Japan
 Avalon    Georgetown, Kentucky
 Avalon Hybrid     Georgetown, Kentucky
 Camry    Georgetown, Kentucky and Lafayette, Indiana
 Camry Hybrid     Georgetown, Kentucky
 Corolla    Cambridge, Ontario, Canada and Blue Springs, Mississippi
 FJ Cruiser    Japan
 Highlander    Princeton, Indiana
 Highlander Hybrid     Princeton, Indiana
 Land Cruiser    Japan
 Prius [1]    Japan
 RAV4    Woodstock, Ontario, Canada and Japan
 RAV4 EV     Woodstock, Ontario, Canada
 Sequoia     Princeton, Indiana
 Sienna     Princeton, Indiana
 Tacoma    San Antonio, Texas and Baja California, Mexico
 Tundra    San Antonio, Texas
 Venza    Georgetown, Kentucky
 Yaris    Japan

[Bighead]

Yep 4 runner made in Japan.
Trying to fish are we?

[Jess Tolbirt]

well my taco was made,(assembled) in San Antone

[3fan4life]

Model   Manufacturing Location
 4Runner    Japan
 Avalon    Georgetown, Kentucky
 Avalon Hybrid     Georgetown, Kentucky
 Camry    Georgetown, Kentucky and Lafayette, Indiana
 Camry Hybrid     Georgetown, Kentucky
 Corolla    Cambridge, Ontario, Canada and Blue Springs, Mississippi
 FJ Cruiser    Japan
 Highlander    Princeton, Indiana
 Highlander Hybrid     Princeton, Indiana
 Land Cruiser    Japan
 Prius [1]    Japan
 RAV4    Woodstock, Ontario, Canada and Japan
 RAV4 EV     Woodstock, Ontario, Canada
 Sequoia     Princeton, Indiana
 Sienna     Princeton, Indiana
 Tacoma    San Antonio, Texas and Baja California, Mexico
 Tundra    San Antonio, Texas
 Venza    Georgetown, Kentucky
 Yaris    Japan

The wife's Camry is the most "American Made" car that you can buy.

I like Toyotas and I really like that so many of them are made here in the US.

Even if the company is Japanese owned their vehicles are helping American workers to put food on the table.

[The emperor has no clothes]

Model   Manufacturing Location
 4Runner    Japan
 Avalon    Georgetown, Kentucky
 Avalon Hybrid     Georgetown, Kentucky
 Camry    Georgetown, Kentucky and Lafayette, Indiana
 Camry Hybrid     Georgetown, Kentucky
 Corolla    Cambridge, Ontario, Canada and Blue Springs, Mississippi
 FJ Cruiser    Japan
 Highlander    Princeton, Indiana
 Highlander Hybrid     Princeton, Indiana
 Land Cruiser    Japan
 Prius [1]    Japan
 RAV4    Woodstock, Ontario, Canada and Japan
 RAV4 EV     Woodstock, Ontario, Canada
 Sequoia     Princeton, Indiana
 Sienna     Princeton, Indiana
 Tacoma    San Antonio, Texas and Baja California, Mexico
 Tundra    San Antonio, Texas
 Venza    Georgetown, Kentucky
 Yaris    Japan

The wife's Camry is the most "American Made" car that you can buy.

I like Toyotas and I really like that so many of them are made here in the US.

Even if the company is Japanese owned their vehicles are helping American workers to put food on the table.

agreed, that's all I was trying to point out.

[cookiedough]

try telling that to the BIG 3 truck market.  All they look at is the profits go back to Japan which is not entirely true at all.  If only those ford, gm, and dodge truck guys were educated??   

[MarkT]

If you work in a Big 3 factory, you better drive one of their products.  Or they make you park WAY out and walk in. 

[old2soon]

If you work in a Big 3 factory, you better drive one of their products.  Or they make you park WAY out and walk in. 

             LONG time ago my Dad drove local semi in and near Chicago. One of their accounts was Ford over on the south side of Chicago. First load with his brand spankin new G M C was to Ford. He said Ford was quite Emphatic bout delivering Ford parts with Ford trucks. Had too be late 50s or real early 60s. RIDE SAFE.

[solo1]

Awhile back I had a Democratic precinct committeeman ask me why I was driving a Mazda Six. I showed him the sticker in the right rear window.  "Union made in the US"

I also kind of think that a car, my Miata, that gives me pleasure, is made only in Hiroshima Japan.

Gives me thought that the first city to be destroyed by the atomic bomb is now making sporting cars.

[cookiedough]

If you work in a Big 3 factory, you better drive one of their products.  Or they make you park WAY out and walk in. 

             LONG time ago my Dad drove local semi in and near Chicago. One of their accounts was Ford over on the south side of Chicago. First load with his brand spankin new G M C was to Ford. He said Ford was quite Emphatic bout delivering Ford parts with Ford trucks. Had too be late 50s or real early 60s. RIDE SAFE.

Get this one,  in between jobs awhile ago I tried doing car sales at a large multi mfg. dealer who owns several dozen new/used car lots in several cities.  They had a stipulation upon hire that I am REQUIRED to buy ONLY from their multi car lots and not private party or other dealerships.  Well, after 2 months of harassment and putting up with their daily other crap B.S. a week before I quit cold turkey with no notice I bought a 4K car for my daughter at a small local mom/pop dealership.    I personally think that is illegal to require MY PRIVATE life of what I want to drive and how I want to purchase what and where is my own business and no employer has a legal right to say otherwise.  I would have liked to see that one stick in a court of law if they found out I bought a used car from another dealership and they fired me for it even though I quit before I killed literally the sales and business and f&I mgr, all jerkoffs who actually 2 of the 3 got fired soon after I left and rightfully so after I reported them with 13 harassment charges against them they did to me in 2 months.

If someone comes to work even say on a 600 dollar scooter or on a bicycle, what business is it to the employer as long as he/she does their job and shows up for work on time. 

[Willow]

If you work in a Big 3 factory, you better drive one of their products.  Or they make you park WAY out and walk in. 

             LONG time ago my Dad drove local semi in and near Chicago. One of their accounts was Ford over on the south side of Chicago. First load with his brand spankin new G M C was to Ford. He said Ford was quite Emphatic bout delivering Ford parts with Ford trucks. Had too be late 50s or real early 60s. RIDE SAFE.

I think demands on delivery vehicles is a little extreme but I've no problem with a company expecting their employees to use the product that pays their way.  I've heard the same expectation is held at soda pop and beer manufacturers.

[scooperhsd]

I can't do that - I have problems with Coke products (but not Pepsi) and I don't hardly drink beer much any more. I also don't think it is the employer's business what vehicle or where I got it from that I drive. Now, if they give me a substantial discount for doing so to incentivze it....

[mrgeoff]

I feel that the husband asked his wife if he could put the H-D sticker on the car...!!! Just my thoughts...!!!

[MCRIDER]

try telling that to the BIG 3 truck market.  All they look at is the profits go back to Japan which is not entirely true at all.  If only those ford, gm, and dodge truck guys were educated??   

So, are you saying that when Apple sells a chinese made iPhone in Germany that the profits don't go back to Cupertino, Calif?  Or when Sony sells a made in Malaysia TV in England the profits don't go back to japan?

[98valk]

I can't do that - I have problems with Coke products (but not Pepsi) and I don't hardly drink beer much any more. I also don't think it is the employer's business what vehicle or where I got it from that I drive. Now, if they give me a substantial discount for doing so to incentivze it....

beer is safer to drink then the liquid poisons on the shelf aka as soda. read the ingredients in soda and then search the destructive nature of them to the body.

[Jersey mike]

i own 2 Camry's 1 is a 1999 4cyl (bought new) made in Japan model with 312,000 miles. original engine and trans. other than regular maintenance the car has been issue free.

the other one is a 2002 US made 4cyl model (bought with 15,0000 miles in '05) with 150,000 miles and has had several issues over the years.

the Japanese model IMO is a better made vehicle.

[northernvalk]

As  lifetime yota head, I will tell you that the Jap made vehicles are FAR superior to the US/CDN made ones....it's not even close! Look at 4 runners from 96-today vs tacoma's.......nuf said!

[98valk]

As  lifetime yota head, I will tell you that the Jap made vehicles are FAR superior to the US/CDN made ones....it's not even close! Look at 4 runners from 96-today vs tacoma's.......nuf said!

its called Planned Obsolescence which has been embraced by the liberal unions and corporate america, to entice amreicans to buy more, more, more, etc. most chinese products embrace this since US corporate companies are behind most chinese goods.

[Valker]

Seems there is a lack of understanding of publicly traded stock companies. The money goes to whoever owns the stock, the workers, employees, and suppliers. If I own shares in a Japanese company, the profits come to me. Debating what country gets the money is ridiculous. It goes to the owners. Communist countries don't allow much shareholder business.

[The emperor has no clothes]

As  lifetime yota head, I will tell you that the Jap made vehicles are FAR superior to the US/CDN made ones....it's not even close! Look at 4 runners from 96-today vs tacoma's.......nuf said!

Uh....remember the Datsun B210 ? 

[northernvalk]

Meat.....Datsun=Nissan. I didn't say ALL Jap vehicle were superior, just Toyota's, from my extensive experience.  The Honda's made in Alliston ON seem to be on that Jap level of qulaity, but NO UNIONS makes a huge difference.

[The emperor has no clothes]

Meat.....Datsun=Nissan. I didn't say ALL Jap vehicle were superior, just Toyota's, from my extensive experience.  The Honda's made in Alliston ON seem to be on that Jap level of qulaity, but NO UNIONS makes a huge difference.

I like Toyotas also. Although the only one I've owned was a Scion XB. (I like unions too)

[northernvalk]

Meat.....Datsun=Nissan. I didn't say ALL Jap vehicle were superior, just Toyota's, from my extensive experience.  The Honda's made in Alliston ON seem to be on that Jap level of qulaity, but NO UNIONS makes a huge difference.

I like Toyotas also. Although the only one I've owned was a Scion XB. (I like unions too)

Unions were needed, a LONG time ago, before labour laws were set up. Those laws, in my country, are strong enough to protect people from unwarranted dismissal or reprimand. Modern unions only protect sub standard workers imho.

[The emperor has no clothes]

Meat.....Datsun=Nissan. I didn't say ALL Jap vehicle were superior, just Toyota's, from my extensive experience.  The Honda's made in Alliston ON seem to be on that Jap level of qulaity, but NO UNIONS makes a huge difference.

I like Toyotas also. Although the only one I've owned was a Scion XB. (I like unions too)

Unions were needed, a LONG time ago, before labour laws were set up. Those laws, in my country, are strong enough to protect people from unwarranted dismissal or reprimand. Modern unions only protect sub standard workers imho.

Well, we have hijacked Sheff’s post into unions.  We will just have to agree to disagree on this. In a perfect world with perfect companies, unions wouldn’t be needed. We haven’t reached nirvana yet. 

[RainMaker]

The Honda Odyssey pictured was built in Lincoln, Alabama.  As was my 2007, which is at 213K and runs like new.  Our 2013 Fit was built in Japan and at 165K is just getting broken in. Our Odyssey before that was a 2002 that had 175K miles on it when my wife decided she wanted a newer car, even though it was running fine.  I had a 2004 Acura TL that I got rid of at 98K miles because I didn't need it after I gave up my corporate world business to work with my wife in her small home based business (we traded it in for the Fit, which made sense).  I really liked the TL.

My last GM vehicle was an Astro Van that self destructed at 88K miles after 3 tows for bad alternators.  Before that, a Ford Aerostar that developed a gas smell inside that Ford couldn't figure out so we dumped it at 42K miles.  The Dodge Grand Caravan before that had a bad transmission at 56K miles and the Dodge Caravan before that couldn't keep a head gasket intact and we gave up on it at 55K miles. 

[Jersey mike]

The Honda Odyssey pictured was built in Lincoln, Alabama.  As was my 2007, which is at 213K and runs like new.  Our 2013 Fit was built in Japan and at 165K is just getting broken in. Our Odyssey before that was a 2002 that had 175K miles on it when my wife decided she wanted a newer car, even though it was running fine.  I had a 2004 Acura TL that I got rid of at 98K miles because I didn't need it after I gave up my corporate world business to work with my wife in her small home based business (we traded it in for the Fit, which made sense).  I really liked the TL.

My last GM vehicle was an Astro Van that self destructed at 88K miles after 3 tows for bad alternators.  Before that, a Ford Aerostar that developed a gas smell inside that Ford couldn't figure out so we dumped it at 42K miles.  The Dodge Grand Caravan before that had a bad transmission at 56K miles and the Dodge Caravan before that couldn't keep a head gasket intact and we gave up on it at 55K miles. 

my wife's car is the '99 4cyl Camry w/ 312k on it. the interior is still like new even after 3 kids and hundreds of trips to and from soccer...here, there, and everywhere. I've asked her many, many times if she wants a new car and her answer is always the same "NO. I love my car. It's still great on gas and is great in parking lots."  I've even taken her car shopping and still get the same answer. So we've decided to run it until it dies, which just may be next week or 3 years from now. At 300k it got a full tune up and if history repeats is set for another 100k miles. one things that bothers me is that once it hit about 200k it started using 1qt oil every 1,200 miles (oil changes are regular between 3,000 -3,500 miles) and that's where it stands now and is still using 5/30 regular motor oil. i'm hesitant about switching at this stage to full synthetic but i'm considering a switch to a synthetic blend oil.

[_Sheffjs_]

Meat.....Datsun=Nissan. I didn't say ALL Jap vehicle were superior, just Toyota's, from my extensive experience.  The Honda's made in Alliston ON seem to be on that Jap level of qulaity, but NO UNIONS makes a huge difference.

I like Toyotas also. Although the only one I've owned was a Scion XB. (I like unions too)

Unions were needed, a LONG time ago, before labour laws were set up. Those laws, in my country, are strong enough to protect people from unwarranted dismissal or reprimand. Modern unions only protect sub standard workers imho.

Well, we have hijacked Sheff’s post into unions.  We will just have to agree to disagree on this. In a perfect world with perfect companies, unions wouldn’t be needed. We haven’t reached nirvana yet. 

   It’s a good read - 

[98valk]

The Honda Odyssey pictured was built in Lincoln, Alabama.  As was my 2007, which is at 213K and runs like new.  Our 2013 Fit was built in Japan and at 165K is just getting broken in. Our Odyssey before that was a 2002 that had 175K miles on it when my wife decided she wanted a newer car, even though it was running fine.  I had a 2004 Acura TL that I got rid of at 98K miles because I didn't need it after I gave up my corporate world business to work with my wife in her small home based business (we traded it in for the Fit, which made sense).  I really liked the TL.

My last GM vehicle was an Astro Van that self destructed at 88K miles after 3 tows for bad alternators.  Before that, a Ford Aerostar that developed a gas smell inside that Ford couldn't figure out so we dumped it at 42K miles.  The Dodge Grand Caravan before that had a bad transmission at 56K miles and the Dodge Caravan before that couldn't keep a head gasket intact and we gave up on it at 55K miles. 

my wife's car is the '99 4cyl Camry w/ 312k on it. the interior is still like new even after 3 kids and hundreds of trips to and from soccer...here, there, and everywhere. I've asked her many, many times if she wants a new car and her answer is always the same "NO. I love my car. It's still great on gas and is great in parking lots."  I've even taken her car shopping and still get the same answer. So we've decided to run it until it dies, which just may be next week or 3 years from now. At 300k it got a full tune up and if history repeats is set for another 100k miles. one things that bothers me is that once it hit about 200k it started using 1qt oil every 1,200 miles (oil changes are regular between 3,000 -3,500 miles) and that's where it stands now and is still using 5/30 regular motor oil. i'm hesitant about switching at this stage to full synthetic but i'm considering a switch to a synthetic blend oil.

www.auto-rx.com  ring packs get gunked up. this will clean them up and reduce oil consumption.

[3fan4life]

The Honda Odyssey pictured was built in Lincoln, Alabama.  As was my 2007, which is at 213K and runs like new.  Our 2013 Fit was built in Japan and at 165K is just getting broken in. Our Odyssey before that was a 2002 that had 175K miles on it when my wife decided she wanted a newer car, even though it was running fine.  I had a 2004 Acura TL that I got rid of at 98K miles because I didn't need it after I gave up my corporate world business to work with my wife in her small home based business (we traded it in for the Fit, which made sense).  I really liked the TL.

My last GM vehicle was an Astro Van that self destructed at 88K miles after 3 tows for bad alternators.  Before that, a Ford Aerostar that developed a gas smell inside that Ford couldn't figure out so we dumped it at 42K miles.  The Dodge Grand Caravan before that had a bad transmission at 56K miles and the Dodge Caravan before that couldn't keep a head gasket intact and we gave up on it at 55K miles. 

my wife's car is the '99 4cyl Camry w/ 312k on it. the interior is still like new even after 3 kids and hundreds of trips to and from soccer...here, there, and everywhere. I've asked her many, many times if she wants a new car and her answer is always the same "NO. I love my car. It's still great on gas and is great in parking lots."  I've even taken her car shopping and still get the same answer. So we've decided to run it until it dies, which just may be next week or 3 years from now. At 300k it got a full tune up and if history repeats is set for another 100k miles. one things that bothers me is that once it hit about 200k it started using 1qt oil every 1,200 miles (oil changes are regular between 3,000 -3,500 miles) and that's where it stands now and is still using 5/30 regular motor oil. i'm hesitant about switching at this stage to full synthetic but i'm considering a switch to a synthetic blend oil.

The problem with full synthetic in older cars is that if it can find a place to leak, it will.

On the other hand synthetics have much higher evaporation points than regular oil.

So synthetics tend to result in less oil use.

One thing that you can easily d with a full synthetic is to use a heavier weight oil.

Sometimes that helps reduce oil use in an older car.

[Jersey mike]

The Honda Odyssey pictured was built in Lincoln, Alabama.  As was my 2007, which is at 213K and runs like new.  Our 2013 Fit was built in Japan and at 165K is just getting broken in. Our Odyssey before that was a 2002 that had 175K miles on it when my wife decided she wanted a newer car, even though it was running fine.  I had a 2004 Acura TL that I got rid of at 98K miles because I didn't need it after I gave up my corporate world business to work with my wife in her small home based business (we traded it in for the Fit, which made sense).  I really liked the TL.

My last GM vehicle was an Astro Van that self destructed at 88K miles after 3 tows for bad alternators.  Before that, a Ford Aerostar that developed a gas smell inside that Ford couldn't figure out so we dumped it at 42K miles.  The Dodge Grand Caravan before that had a bad transmission at 56K miles and the Dodge Caravan before that couldn't keep a head gasket intact and we gave up on it at 55K miles. 

my wife's car is the '99 4cyl Camry w/ 312k on it. the interior is still like new even after 3 kids and hundreds of trips to and from soccer...here, there, and everywhere. I've asked her many, many times if she wants a new car and her answer is always the same "NO. I love my car. It's still great on gas and is great in parking lots."  I've even taken her car shopping and still get the same answer. So we've decided to run it until it dies, which just may be next week or 3 years from now. At 300k it got a full tune up and if history repeats is set for another 100k miles. one things that bothers me is that once it hit about 200k it started using 1qt oil every 1,200 miles (oil changes are regular between 3,000 -3,500 miles) and that's where it stands now and is still using 5/30 regular motor oil. i'm hesitant about switching at this stage to full synthetic but i'm considering a switch to a synthetic blend oil.

www.auto-rx.com  ring packs get gunked up. this will clean them up and reduce oil consumption.

Have you used it? I’ve used Marvel Mystery Oil before (not in this car) and did not see any negative or positive results.

I may just order a couple bottles, it doesn’t seem as though it can hurt to try.

[Jersey mike]

The Honda Odyssey pictured was built in Lincoln, Alabama.  As was my 2007, which is at 213K and runs like new.  Our 2013 Fit was built in Japan and at 165K is just getting broken in. Our Odyssey before that was a 2002 that had 175K miles on it when my wife decided she wanted a newer car, even though it was running fine.  I had a 2004 Acura TL that I got rid of at 98K miles because I didn't need it after I gave up my corporate world business to work with my wife in her small home based business (we traded it in for the Fit, which made sense).  I really liked the TL.

My last GM vehicle was an Astro Van that self destructed at 88K miles after 3 tows for bad alternators.  Before that, a Ford Aerostar that developed a gas smell inside that Ford couldn't figure out so we dumped it at 42K miles.  The Dodge Grand Caravan before that had a bad transmission at 56K miles and the Dodge Caravan before that couldn't keep a head gasket intact and we gave up on it at 55K miles. 

my wife's car is the '99 4cyl Camry w/ 312k on it. the interior is still like new even after 3 kids and hundreds of trips to and from soccer...here, there, and everywhere. I've asked her many, many times if she wants a new car and her answer is always the same "NO. I love my car. It's still great on gas and is great in parking lots."  I've even taken her car shopping and still get the same answer. So we've decided to run it until it dies, which just may be next week or 3 years from now. At 300k it got a full tune up and if history repeats is set for another 100k miles. one things that bothers me is that once it hit about 200k it started using 1qt oil every 1,200 miles (oil changes are regular between 3,000 -3,500 miles) and that's where it stands now and is still using 5/30 regular motor oil. i'm hesitant about switching at this stage to full synthetic but i'm considering a switch to a synthetic blend oil.

The problem with full synthetic in older cars is that if it can find a place to leak, it will.

On the other hand synthetics have much higher evaporation points than regular oil.

So synthetics tend to result in less oil use.

One thing that you can easily d with a full synthetic is to use a heavier weight oil.

Sometimes that helps reduce oil use in an older car.

The car has always used 5/30, I’ve thought about moving up to a 10/40