Canada is a security threat??

[bscrive]

Well according to Trump, Canada is a security threat, so he is putting tariffs on steel and aluminum.  We're sorry about being a security threat.
In light of that, we have decided to cancel our trip to the US at the end of this month and stay in Canada.  Wouldn't want to take the chance and spread our 'security threat'.  I guess China and Russia are fine though.
What a joke.

[Patrick]

Hmm, I guess I didn't hear it that way. But, I watch Fox.  I just caught some of it in passing, but, I thought I heard that there wasn't a way figured out to exclude specific countries, it seemed to be an all or nothing kinda thing.  Anyway, thats what I thought I heard.

[Pete]

Well if that is the way you feel, then that is what you should do.
I am not aware of the issue you wrote about so I will not address that.

[The emperor has no clothes]

Hmm, I guess I didn't hear it that way. But, I watch Fox.  I just caught some of it in passing, but, I thought I heard that there wasn't a way figured out to exclude specific countries, it seemed to be an all or nothing kinda thing.  Anyway, thats what I thought I heard.

Trump imposed the steel and aluminum penalties under a 1962 law that gives the president broad power to increase or reduce tariffs on goods deemed critical to national security.

[The emperor has no clothes]

Well according to Trump, Canada is a security threat, so he is putting tariffs on steel and aluminum.  We're sorry about being a security threat.
In light of that, we have decided to cancel our trip to the US at the end of this month and stay in Canada.  Wouldn't want to take the chance and spread our 'security threat'.  I guess China and Russia are fine though.
What a joke.

I'm sorry this is happening. Please remember you still have MANY friends to the south of you.

[northernvalk]

Well according to Trump, Canada is a security threat, so he is putting tariffs on steel and aluminum.  We're sorry about being a security threat.
In light of that, we have decided to cancel our trip to the US at the end of this month and stay in Canada.  Wouldn't want to take the chance and spread our 'security threat'.  I guess China and Russia are fine though.
What a joke.

A Joke.....Are you living in a hole in the ground?!?!?!? Trudeau is letting ISIS FIGHTERS back into Canada!!! He has turned us into a threat. Wake the truck up man, This is the reality on Canada today, we are an Islamic Extremist Supporting Nation...until P.M. Zoolander is gone, it's not going to change!!!!

[Hook#3287]

Well if that is the way you feel, then that is what you should do.
I am not aware of the issue you wrote about so I will not address that.

I agree with Pete.

If I had heard this on MSM, then I probably wouldn't believe it anyways.

Don't believe most that is reported these days.

[baldo]

https://www.google.com/search?q=canada+security+threat&rlz=1C1TSNO_enUS688US688&oq=canada+security+threat&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l5.5650j1j8&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

So MUCH winning.....

[Robert]

Well according to Trump, Canada is a security threat, so he is putting tariffs on steel and aluminum.  We're sorry about being a security threat.
In light of that, we have decided to cancel our trip to the US at the end of this month and stay in Canada.  Wouldn't want to take the chance and spread our 'security threat'.  I guess China and Russia are fine though.
What a joke.

A Joke.....Are you living in a hole in the ground?!?!?!? Trudeau is letting ISIS FIGHTERS back into Canada!!! He has turned us into a threat. Wake the truck up man, This is the reality on Canada today, we are an Islamic Extremist Supporting Nation...until P.M. Zoolander is gone, it's not going to change!!!!

With that said, Its kind of a childish stance. I don't think the world is going to end today or the Canadians are looked upon as a second class and so essentially, its a non issue to ordinary people.

As for winning, yes it is a win since Mexico has been draining the US in many ways and Canada is allowing unknown immigrants to come in. So unfortunately sometimes keeping jobs, money, and safety in the US and not bending to open boarders requires a seemingly out of step move with other countries. Remember the Amero, and remember the plans to allow Mexican truckers into the heart of the US. Do you remember making a highway through the US to accommodate open boarders, come on it hasn't been that long. I thought the US was a sovereign country, was I wrong?

[northernvalk]

A childish stance? Pardon? We have a lunatic left wing nut allowing terrorist into our country and you're calling my stance "childish"??? Robert, this is an issue. Terrorist attacks are starting to happen in Canada and it's not going to change, especially when the government won't even acknowledge the attacks!!! Concern over innocent people getting killed is not childish..........

[Westernbiker]

Well according to Trump, Canada is a security threat, so he is putting tariffs on steel and aluminum.  We're sorry about being a security threat.
In light of that, we have decided to cancel our trip to the US at the end of this month and stay in Canada.  Wouldn't want to take the chance and spread our 'security threat'.  I guess China and Russia are fine though.
What a joke.

Hey........whatever floats your boat. 

[Gavin_Sons]

A childish stance? Pardon? We have a lunatic left wing nut allowing terrorist into our country and you're calling my stance "childish"??? Robert, this is an issue. Terrorist attacks are starting to happen in Canada and it's not going to change, especially when the government won't even acknowledge the attacks!!! Concern over innocent people getting killed is not childish..........

I think he was refering to bscrive statement as childish. not yours, he was agreeing with you.

[northernvalk]

A childish stance? Pardon? We have a lunatic left wing nut allowing terrorist into our country and you're calling my stance "childish"??? Robert, this is an issue. Terrorist attacks are starting to happen in Canada and it's not going to change, especially when the government won't even acknowledge the attacks!!! Concern over innocent people getting killed is not childish..........

I think he was refering to bscrive statement as childish. not yours, he was agreeing with you.

I am sorry robert, if that was your intent. I thought you were referring to the "until PM zoolander is out".....

[signart]

Hmm, I guess I didn't hear it that way. But, I watch Fox.  I just caught some of it in passing, but, I thought I heard that there wasn't a way figured out to exclude specific countries, it seemed to be an all or nothing kinda thing.  Anyway, thats what I thought I heard.

Trump imposed the steel and aluminum penalties under a 1962 law that gives the president broad power to increase or reduce tariffs on goods deemed critical to national security.

Regarding security threat. it is in our national interest to be able to supply this countries needs for steel and aluminum ourselves in case of war like we did when we saved the world a couple times,
or secure price and availability should there be a shortage. Just like fuel. Manufacturing depends on it to keep the economy going. Just like fuel.

Thus, steps are taken to encourage steel and aluminum production in our country, which also produces jobs and enhances national security. This way the U.S. will be safer, and Canadians can keep their steel and aluminum and build some things to keep themselves safe.
It also gives us leverage to encourage negotiations to level the trade deficit, and bringing countries like Canada and Mexico to the table by joining the U.S. in shrinking the deficit gap with China.

[The emperor has no clothes]

Hmm, I guess I didn't hear it that way. But, I watch Fox.  I just caught some of it in passing, but, I thought I heard that there wasn't a way figured out to exclude specific countries, it seemed to be an all or nothing kinda thing.  Anyway, thats what I thought I heard.

Trump imposed the steel and aluminum penalties under a 1962 law that gives the president broad power to increase or reduce tariffs on goods deemed critical to national security.

Regarding security threat. it is in our national interest to be able to supply this countries needs for steel and aluminum ourselves in case of war like we did when we saved the world a couple times,
or secure price and availability should there be a shortage. Just like fuel. Manufacturing depends on it to keep the economy going. Just like fuel.

Thus, steps are taken to encourage steel and aluminum production in our country, which also produces jobs and enhances national security. This way the U.S. will be safer, and Canadians can keep their steel and aluminum and build some things to keep themselves safe.
It also gives us leverage to encourage negotiations to level the trade deficit, and bringing countries like Canada and Mexico to the table by joining the U.S. in shrinking the deficit gap with China.

My, how quickly things have changed  Conservatives were all about "free trade" until 16 months ago. Now it's all about isolationism. You're hypotheses stands up if these tarrifs were placed on our adversaries, as far as I can tell Canada has been a pretty good partner to us.

[Beardo]

Well according to Trump, Canada is a security threat, so he is putting tariffs on steel and aluminum.  We're sorry about being a security threat.
In light of that, we have decided to cancel our trip to the US at the end of this month and stay in Canada.  Wouldn't want to take the chance and spread our 'security threat'.  I guess China and Russia are fine though.
What a joke.

I'm torn over this as well.

Was planning a long trip in July and I'm not sure where we're going to go now.

On one hand, when we're being treated the way we are by the US Administration, I really don't feel like spending my hard earned money in the US either.  And before I get shredded...any patriotic American would do the same if the reverse was happening.

On the other hand, the US people are good people. Should I keep my tourism dollars from them just because their administration? I don't want Americans to not come to Canada because of our idiot leader.

Will wait and see how this plays out.

[Robert]

A childish stance? Pardon? We have a lunatic left wing nut allowing terrorist into our country and you're calling my stance "childish"??? Robert, this is an issue. Terrorist attacks are starting to happen in Canada and it's not going to change, especially when the government won't even acknowledge the attacks!!! Concern over innocent people getting killed is not childish..........

I think he was refering to bscrive statement as childish. not yours, he was agreeing with you.

I am sorry robert, if that was your intent. I thought you were referring to the "until PM zoolander is out".....

Yup nothing like getting your blood pressure up first thing  You were correct and I do agree with you for the record.

[Serk]

Up front - I disagree with this protectionist policy.

Having said that, the way I see it isn't that he's saying Canada is a security threat as in "We can't trust Canadians, they're bad" or even "We can't trust Canada itself" or anything along those lines.

The security threat is that we need to encourage domestic production of the basics.

Look at it this way - your family tries to be self-reliant, you can make all you need except for cloth. You have to barter with your neighbor for cloth.

It would be in your best interest to get the tools and techniques to be able to make cloth yourself if at all possible.

That's not saying your cloth producing neighbors are bad or untrustworthy at all, it's just best that you're able to make it yourself as well...

Once again, I disagree with this policy, just AmericanSplaining it as I see it...

[Robert]

Well according to Trump, Canada is a security threat, so he is putting tariffs on steel and aluminum.  We're sorry about being a security threat.
In light of that, we have decided to cancel our trip to the US at the end of this month and stay in Canada.  Wouldn't want to take the chance and spread our 'security threat'.  I guess China and Russia are fine though.
What a joke.

I'm torn over this as well.

Was planning a long trip in July and I'm not sure where we're going to go now.

On one hand, when we're being treated the way we are by the US Administration, I really don't feel like spending my hard earned money in the US either.  And before I get shredded...any patriotic American would do the same if the reverse was happening.

On the other hand, the US people are good people. Should I keep my tourism dollars from them just because their administration? I don't want Americans to not come to Canada because of our idiot leader.

Will wait and see how this plays out.

I think waiting is the right idea, I know a few Canadians and as far as I know I have never insulted any one of them and they are all welcome here. But the Prime Minister may be an issue though, along with the policies of letting anyone into a country. Vetting is a good process, laws about immigration are good and making citizens of those that want to be legally and letting those who want to visit or go to school is also a good thing as long as its done legally and vetted.

Brittan is now telling you that you have to dull the end of your knives, really, I mean really? Anyone with open boarders has been suffering the consequences. Its not about Canadian citizenry its about their ability to welcome anyone and then with permissive US/Canadian boarder laws they come here and stay. Its known, been praticed for a long time the problem now is its terrorists that are using something that has gone on for decades. The US has been the mainstay in waging war against terrorism even to the point of the PM of Canada trying to get Trump to NOT pull out of the Iran deal. He sold himself out and the Canadian people out to an ideology that is destructive. So while you are considering your thoughts about coming to the US think about who the Canadians by the PM's dictates is allowing also and think about who these new laws are trying to effect.

[The emperor has no clothes]

Up front - I disagree with this protectionist policy.

Having said that, the way I see it isn't that he's saying Canada is a security threat as in "We can't trust Canadians, they're bad" or even "We can't trust Canada itself" or anything along those lines.

The security threat is that we need to encourage domestic production of the basics.

Look at it this way - your family tries to be self-reliant, you can make all you need except for cloth. You have to barter with your neighbor for cloth.

It would be in your best interest to get the tools and techniques to be able to make cloth yourself if at all possible.

That's not saying your cloth producing neighbors are bad or untrustworthy at all, it's just best that you're able to make it yourself as well...

Once again, I disagree with this policy, just AmericanSplaining it as I see it...

We have a Trade surplus with Canada. Your logic would require them to not buy stuff from us. Again, they have been good Allies for decades. Punish our adversaries, not our friends.

[Beardo]

Up front - I disagree with this protectionist policy.

Having said that, the way I see it isn't that he's saying Canada is a security threat as in "We can't trust Canadians, they're bad" or even "We can't trust Canada itself" or anything along those lines.

The security threat is that we need to encourage domestic production of the basics.

Look at it this way - your family tries to be self-reliant, you can make all you need except for cloth. You have to barter with your neighbor for cloth.

It would be in your best interest to get the tools and techniques to be able to make cloth yourself if at all possible.

That's not saying your cloth producing neighbors are bad or untrustworthy at all, it's just best that you're able to make it yourself as well...

Once again, I disagree with this policy, just AmericanSplaining it as I see it...

As expected from you Serk, a well thought out and reasonable reply.

Using the neighbour (properly spelt )analogy...your neighbour is a friend. He's had your back through wars, terrorist attacks. Your families have been friends for generations. He has lots of land with many resources that you've traded your products and resources for. It makes sense to be friendly with them. You are separate families but you don't even feel the need for fences.  It's a mutually beneficial relationship. So to make yourself stronger and more independent, you're going to build a wall around your yard.  Everything you need now will now be more expensive and harder to produce. Both neighbours will survive that way...but why? They were stronger and more prosperous when they worked together.

[Oss]

I didnt see any punishment

Announcement of a tarriff is a trade issue/ security issue and a negotiating posture

Northernvalk is not a chicken little, he is telling it like it is.   He has my respect and sympathy for the shape his country is now in. Their PM is Obama on steroids

My guess is the tarriff will come off when all parties realize its not JUST about Steel but about HOW the countries should continue to work together  If Canada is going to welcome ISIS it was not US who created the issue it is them.

[signart]

Hmm, I guess I didn't hear it that way. But, I watch Fox.  I just caught some of it in passing, but, I thought I heard that there wasn't a way figured out to exclude specific countries, it seemed to be an all or nothing kinda thing.  Anyway, thats what I thought I heard.

Trump imposed the steel and aluminum penalties under a 1962 law that gives the president broad power to increase or reduce tariffs on goods deemed critical to national security.

Regarding security threat. it is in our national interest to be able to supply this countries needs for steel and aluminum ourselves in case of war like we did when we saved the world a couple times,
or secure price and availability should there be a shortage. Just like fuel. Manufacturing depends on it to keep the economy going. Just like fuel.

Thus, steps are taken to encourage steel and aluminum production in our country, which also produces jobs and enhances national security. This way the U.S. will be safer, and Canadians can keep their steel and aluminum and build some things to keep themselves safe.
It also gives us leverage to encourage negotiations to level the trade deficit, and bringing countries like Canada and Mexico to the table by joining the U.S. in shrinking the deficit gap with China.

My, how quickly things have changed  Conservatives were all about "free trade" until 16 months ago. Now it's all about isolationism. You're hypotheses stands up if these tarrifs were placed on our adversaries, as far as I can tell Canada has been a pretty good partner to us.

Aluminum & steel (rhymes with art of the deal). We're not talking maple syrup or hockey pucks. I don't think you have been attending any of the rallys.  Conservatives are great with free tade, DEFICIT trade, not so much.

[Serk]

We have a Trade surplus with Canada. Your logic would require them to not buy stuff from us. Again, they have been good Allies for decades. Punish our adversaries, not our friends.

The "security" issue isn't the dollar value of the trade, it's the specific items that we no longer know how to make ourselves in sufficient quantity that when the excrement next hits the rotating air dispersal device it would be beneficial for us to have the infrastructure in place to make ourselves. Odds are we could acquire it from our friends, but it's still good to have the infrastructure in place to be able to do it ourselves. (Specifically steel and aluminium, of which so much else depends)

As expected from you Serk, a well thought out and reasonable reply.

Using the neighbour (properly spelt )analogy...your neighbour is a friend. He's had your back through wars, terrorist attacks. Your families have been friends for generations. He has lots of land with many resources that you've traded your products and resources for. It makes sense to be friendly with them. You are separate families but you don't even feel the need for fences.  It's a mutually beneficial relationship. So to make yourself stronger and more independent, you're going to build a wall around your yard.  Everything you need now will now be more expensive and harder to produce. Both neighbours will survive that way...but why? They were stronger and more prosperous when they worked together.

I agree with you, I think these tariffs are a bad thing overall, there are other ways to encourage domestic production without needlessly tweaking the nose's of our friends. I wasn't trying to justify the actions, just explain where I think it's coming from...

While I'm all in favor of self-reliance, I think President Trump might be talking to his new North Korean buddies a little too much lately, and have picked up on their policy of Juche...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juche

[Serk]

Their PM is Obama on steroids

(Smart-aleck topic slide)

I was going to disagree with this comment, but then I realized that technically Estrogen is a steroid, so yeah... I can see that.

(/Smart-aleck topic slide)

[Ramie]

Now you've got me worried.  I'm not that far from the Canadian border and my son-in-law is Canadian.

[bscrive]

Northernvalk,
I agree with you about 'Trud'oh'.  He is a moron to the highest degree and his mind is so open that his brains keep falling out.  The open borders is a really stupid idea and it's already biting us in the butt.  We should close our borders to anyone that cannot contribute to Canada.  We have too many people already on Welfare.  Sh!t, they get more money per month than my mother-in-law who has lived here her whole life and is collecting a pension.  We are stuck with him, though, for at least another 18 months.  Hopefully, he will be ousted by Scheer.

I don't agree with Trump putting on tariffs against Canada, because all it leads to is Canada retaliating and in the end, business owners and people on both sides are going to get screwed.

Trump has to stop trying to rule the country via Twitter and sit down and see that these arbitrary decisions affect jobs and peoples lives.  Unfortunately, he lives in a glass tower and has no idea what people need.  

I thought that he would do some good, but I was wrong.  Eventually, he will do something to really mess up the US and we will get caught in the downfall.

[signart]

Northernvalk,
I agree with you about 'Trud'oh'.  He is a moron to the highest degree and his mind is so open that his brains keep falling out.  The open borders is a really stupid idea and it's already biting us in the butt.  We should close our borders to anyone that cannot contribute to Canada.  We have too many people already on Welfare.  Sh!t, they get more money per month than my mother-in-law who has lived here her whole life and is collecting a pension.  We are stuck with him, though, for at least another 18 months.  Hopefully, he will be ousted by Scheer.

I don't agree with Trump putting on tariffs against Canada, because all it leads to is Canada retaliating and in the end, business owners and people on both sides are going to get screwed.

Trump has to stop trying to rule the country via Twitter and sit down and see that these arbitrary decisions affect jobs and peoples lives.  Unfortunately, he lives in a glass tower and has no idea what people need.  

I thought that he would do some good, but I was wrong.  Eventually, he will do something to really mess up the US and we will get caught in the downfall.

I hope he doesn't drag your unemployment rate down as low as ours. Just out... lowest since 1969.

[BobB]

Well, after all, they are closely allied with a country we fought two wars with, the last being only a little over 200 years ago...

[The emperor has no clothes]

Hmm, I guess I didn't hear it that way. But, I watch Fox.  I just caught some of it in passing, but, I thought I heard that there wasn't a way figured out to exclude specific countries, it seemed to be an all or nothing kinda thing.  Anyway, thats what I thought I heard.

Trump imposed the steel and aluminum penalties under a 1962 law that gives the president broad power to increase or reduce tariffs on goods deemed critical to national security.

Regarding security threat. it is in our national interest to be able to supply this countries needs for steel and aluminum ourselves in case of war like we did when we saved the world a couple times,
or secure price and availability should there be a shortage. Just like fuel. Manufacturing depends on it to keep the economy going. Just like fuel.

Thus, steps are taken to encourage steel and aluminum production in our country, which also produces jobs and enhances national security. This way the U.S. will be safer, and Canadians can keep their steel and aluminum and build some things to keep themselves safe.
It also gives us leverage to encourage negotiations to level the trade deficit, and bringing countries like Canada and Mexico to the table by joining the U.S. in shrinking the deficit gap with China.

My, how quickly things have changed  Conservatives were all about "free trade" until 16 months ago. Now it's all about isolationism. You're hypotheses stands up if these tarrifs were placed on our adversaries, as far as I can tell Canada has been a pretty good partner to us.

Aluminum & steel (rhymes with art of the deal). We're not talking maple syrup or hockey pucks. I don't think you have been attending any of the rallys.  Conservatives are great with free tade, DEFICIT trade, not so much.

Do you realize we have a trade surplus with Canada ? Or do you really care ?

[northernvalk]

Yes Meat, that is a problem in this scenario....for both sides!!! We buy WAY more steel from you than you buy from us!!! Very strange to impose a purchasing terrif on something you sell...?

[Fla. Jim]

Trump was elected to protect our country among many other things. He does put America first on safety. And he will use the "tools" at hand to affect those promises he made to us. Unlike many previous Presidents he is a man of his word and is trying to Make America Great again. He is fulfilling the promises he made to us. If that offends you or others here, Ok. We welcome our Canadian friends with open arms. But we will not be abused or threatened by their PC views. And we cannot allow our good friends to our North or South to help our enemies to hurt us. And whether you know it or not they are and will forever be your enemies also.

[Jess from VA]

There are very good arguments on both sides of this issue.

It turns out to be a matter of priorities;  national security for infrastructure alum/steel production, trumps historical friendship.  It's not personal, it's just business.  And it's not just Canada, it's part of a larger foreign policy with much broader reach.  

I am not fully versed on all the issues balancing this particular action, and whatever the political backlash from it, the US and Canada should regularly sit in a room and work out all best possible friendly, mutually beneficial issues that can be accomplished.  

[The emperor has no clothes]

Yes Meat, that is a problem in this scenario....for both sides!!! We buy WAY more steel from you than you buy from us!!! Very strange to impose a purchasing terrif on something you sell...?

It has been a while since I've read about it. But if I remember correctly, the trade surplus to Canada is do to autos, food, etc. not steel and aluminum.

[The emperor has no clothes]

There are very good arguments on both sides of this issue.

It turns out to be a matter of priorities;  national security for infrastructure alum/steel production, trumps historical friendship.  It's not personal, it's just business.  And it's not just Canada, it's part of a larger foreign policy with much broader reach.  

I am not fully versed on all the issues balancing this particular action, and whatever the political backlash from it, the US and Canada should regularly sit in a room and work out all best possible friendly, mutually beneficial issues that can be accomplished.  

In this scenario we would not be selling any airplanes, cars, weapons, oil, etc. to other countries. I doubt you are for that ?

[Wizzard]

I doubt the sky is going to fall.

[signart]

Hmm, I guess I didn't hear it that way. But, I watch Fox.  I just caught some of it in passing, but, I thought I heard that there wasn't a way figured out to exclude specific countries, it seemed to be an all or nothing kinda thing.  Anyway, thats what I thought I heard.

Trump imposed the steel and aluminum penalties under a 1962 law that gives the president broad power to increase or reduce tariffs on goods deemed critical to national security.

Regarding security threat. it is in our national interest to be able to supply this countries needs for steel and aluminum ourselves in case of war like we did when we saved the world a couple times,
or secure price and availability should there be a shortage. Just like fuel. Manufacturing depends on it to keep the economy going. Just like fuel.

Thus, steps are taken to encourage steel and aluminum production in our country, which also produces jobs and enhances national security. This way the U.S. will be safer, and Canadians can keep their steel and aluminum and build some things to keep themselves safe.
It also gives us leverage to encourage negotiations to level the trade deficit, and bringing countries like Canada and Mexico to the table by joining the U.S. in shrinking the deficit gap with China.

My, how quickly things have changed  Conservatives were all about "free trade" until 16 months ago. Now it's all about isolationism. You're hypotheses stands up if these tarrifs were placed on our adversaries, as far as I can tell Canada has been a pretty good partner to us.

Aluminum & steel (rhymes with art of the deal). We're not talking maple syrup or hockey pucks. I don't think you have been attending any of the rallys.  Conservatives are great with free tade, DEFICIT trade, not so much.

Do you realize we have a trade surplus with Canada ? Or do you really care ?

Not as much as I care about the lack of aluminum & steel production in the U.S. which. affects. our. national. security. and. jobs.
O.K. put a huge tariff on hockey pucks and maple syrup, I could lose a few, and do with less hockey

[The emperor has no clothes]

I have no doubt they will reciprocate in some way. It would be a shame if this results in a trade war amongst friends. 

[northernvalk]

Already happening.....

[signart]

I have no doubt they will reciprocate in some way. It would be a shame if this results in a trade war amongst friends. 

It's all part of getting our allies to negotiate and combine efforts to level the trade deficit with China.
If you had been at the rallies, they explained all that.
Turn off oprah, "you get a tariff...you get a tariff."  Takes time to straighten up what's been going wrong for the last twenty years.