The rest of the story about the Red Hen incident.

[Serk]

(And for the record, I fully support the LEGAL rights of the restaurant to deny service to anyone they want, just as I support the legal right of the baker to bake what they want to bake and not bake what they don't want to bake. The proper way to handle this, in both situations, is with the power of the free market (And ridicule.))

[old2soon]

Seems most liberals want to force you to do something,, but if you even try and force them to do anything, somehow "it's different"

                  In a nutshell-BULLSEYE!  RIDE SAFE.

[¿spoom]

I haven't heard or have seen were the MSM has reported of the incident/protest by the Red Hen owner once the remainder of the Sanders family went to the other restaurant. Its said the Red Hen owner closed the restaurant for an extended period of time and has resigned from a local town position.  Good.

If "good", then what you do call a cake maker that goes all the way to the Supreme Court to make sure they don't have to service gays?

Besides, irony?

That is NOT what happened here in Colorado.  The baker (Jack Phillips) said he would sell the gay couple anything in his store.  He simply refused to create a custom gay wedding cake.  He also won't make cakes for Halloween, or with sexually suggestive themes.

For that the Colorado Civil Rights Commission ordered Jack and his staff to stop selling wedding cakes, undergo reeducation, and submit quarterly reports.  They also compared Jack's religious beliefs to the defense of slavery or the Holocaust.  The Supreme Court ruled 7-2 against the Commission.

Very accurate synopsis of the "cake thing".
Personally, I feel Freedom of Religion has been greatly perverted from the original writing, but I will defer to the SCOTUS' applicable rulings, as a good citizen probably should. If my religion demands human sacrifice, polygamy, certain bakery goods, and/or avoiding military service, it seems strange that I only get the military pass. I firmly believe in the right to practice a religion of choice, or buy whatever brand motorcycle or truck you wish, but I don't believe your religion can dictate what brand motorcycle or truck I can choose from, and I think we are doing that to some degree. My bank (and the DMV at picture time) has signs regarding don't come in with your face covered. Should that get a pass if I wear a burka? Should my bank be facing hate charges if it doesn't grant a pass?

[dinosnake]

Seems most liberals want to force you to do something,, but if you even try and force them to do anything, somehow "it's different"

Says hypocritical conservatives.

AMAZING that conservatives will RANT like no tomorrow against things, let's say like the "Political correctness" thing, err, for example...

http://www.valkyrieforum.com/bbs/index.php?topic=93262.0

but the moment LIBERALS get back in their faces, they're all "The liberals are disgusting!  So rude!!"

Oh yeah.   So now that tables have been turned, a liberal saying that they won't service a conservative, notice how the "But it's not the same!!" comparisons show up.

While calling the liberals the dirty, disgusting ones.

Yes, the rest of the world has noticed. 

[Jess from VA]

William F Buckley quotes:

Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views.

I would rather be governed by the first two thousand people in the Boston telephone directory than by the two thousand people on the faculty of Harvard University.

What yells out at the US public . . . is the incandescent hypocrisy of so many people who, in the name of free speech, persecute its practitioners if their opinions are conservative.

Liberals, it has been said, are generous with other peoples' money, except when it comes to questions of national survival when they prefer to be generous with other people's freedom and security.

Back in the thirties we were told we must collectivize the nation because the people were so poor.  Now we are told we must collectivize the nation because the people are so rich.

The socialized state is to justice, order, and freedom what the Marquis de Sade is to love.

A Conservative is a fellow who is standing athwart history yelling 'Stop!'

They told me if I voted for Goldwater, he would get us into a war in Vietnam. Well, I voted for Goldwater and that's what happened.

I would like to electrocute everyone who uses the word 'fair' in connection with income tax policies.

France believes in armed intervention by America only when the intervention is in France to rescue France from occupation by other powers.

The academic community has in it the biggest concentration of alarmists, cranks and extremists this side of the giggle house.

It had all the earmarks of a CIA operation; the bomb killed everybody in the room except the intended target!

A liberal is someone who is determined to reach into your shower and adjust the water temperature for you.

One of the hardest things to teach a child is that the truth is more important than the consequences.

And my favorite.... Liberals don’t care what you do so long as it’s compulsory.

[Gavin_Sons]

Seems most liberals want to force you to do something,, but if you even try and force them to do anything, somehow "it's different"

Says hypocritical conservatives.

AMAZING that conservatives will RANT like no tomorrow against things, let's say like the "Political correctness" thing, err, for example...

http://www.valkyrieforum.com/bbs/index.php?topic=93262.0

but the moment LIBERALS get back in their faces, they're all "The liberals are disgusting!  So rude!!"

Oh yeah.   So now that tables have been turned, a liberal saying that they won't service a conservative, notice how the "But it's not the same!!" comparisons show up.

While calling the liberals the dirty, disgusting ones.

Yes, the rest of the world has noticed. 

  Yes everything is the same. An apple is the same as an orange.

[3fan4life]

Awww Jeez Guys, You've awakened the Troll and you're tugging on its chain.

What on earth were you thinking?

[Moonshot_1]

Seems most liberals want to force you to do something,, but if you even try and force them to do anything, somehow "it's different"

Says hypocritical conservatives.

AMAZING that conservatives will RANT like no tomorrow against things, let's say like the "Political correctness" thing, err, for example...

http://www.valkyrieforum.com/bbs/index.php?topic=93262.0

but the moment LIBERALS get back in their faces, they're all "The liberals are disgusting!  So rude!!"

Oh yeah.   So now that tables have been turned, a liberal saying that they won't service a conservative, notice how the "But it's not the same!!" comparisons show up.

While calling the liberals the dirty, disgusting ones.

Yes, the rest of the world has noticed. 

I believe the actions of the owner of the restaurant was completely off the rails. She is stunningly wrong and self belittling. This is not to be interpreted as I believe the owner should be jailed, fined, sued, beaten or shot. She is just an idiot.

As contrasted to the baker refusing to make and design a cake for a gay wedding, the baker would gladly sell them any cake in the shop. They would even bake the cake for the couple but simply had no wish to decorate it in a theme that was opposed to their beliefs. Instead of finding a baker that would bake and decorate such a cake, they sued the baker. The couple are idiots.

In both cases the owners should have the right to refuse service to anyone.
And everyone should have the right to associate or not associate with them.
Hope that clears things up.

[Patrick]

I haven't heard or have seen were the MSM has reported of the incident/protest by the Red Hen owner once the remainder of the Sanders family went to the other restaurant. Its said the Red Hen owner closed the restaurant for an extended period of time and has resigned from a local town position.  Good.

If "good", then what you do call a cake maker that goes all the way to the Supreme Court to make sure they don't have to service gays?

Besides, irony?

So typical. Apples and Oranges.  The Sanders family left the Red Hen without incident and Sara Sanders and her husband went home. The remainder went to the restaurant across the street where the Red Hen owner then harassed them. Just how does that in any way sane way relate to the Phillips case. Mr Phillips did not follow that couple to harass them at another bakery.  They just sued the bakery, so, I guess, by your thinking the Sanders family should now sue the Red Hen, which I doubt they will do, but, I would like to see them do it. That harassment was completely uncalled for and I think the out come would be different for the Red Hen owner.

[Willow]

Just to be specific, Sarah Sanders was not refused service because she is a conservative.  She was refused service because she is an executive in the standing government of the United States of America.  It isn't, but in my personal opinion that should be criminal behavior.  And in case you're wondering, I would have felt the same way for someone who refused service to a member of the previous administration.  

[phideux]

I haven't heard or have seen were the MSM has reported of the incident/protest by the Red Hen owner once the remainder of the Sanders family went to the other restaurant. Its said the Red Hen owner closed the restaurant for an extended period of time and has resigned from a local town position.  Good.

If "good", then what you do call a cake maker that goes all the way to the Supreme Court to make sure they don't have to service gays?

Besides, irony?

"I will serve you, but I won't make this special item that I don't sell." is a very different issue from "I won't serve you."

Quite ridiculous.  Saying to a customer who is ONLY there to purchase a wedding cake, "I won't make that wedding cake but feel free to buy anything 'else'" is exactly the same, to the customer, as saying "No, I won't serve you".

And don't bother telling me otherwise because I CONSTANTLY get that exact attitude from restaurants in my work district.  I have a specific dietary style and I constantly get told "No, we won't [modify a menu item / make something based upon something else / substitute an ingredient]", and then "but go ahead and eat something else" which I CAN'T from their menu choices. 

You've chosen semantics as a defense and it won't work.  The Supreme Court decided on religious grounds that the baker had the right to refuse service, not on a basis that the baker gave a Hobson's Choice to the customer and that was satisfactory.

So go to a different restaurant that does suit your dietary style instead of forcing someone to cater to your wishes. Maybe the majority of their meals are pre-made and they can't change, maybe they don't have the ingredients you want.
just like that bakery had every right to not make a cake for an occasion they do not support, just like the Red Hen not serving a paying party of 8, because they work for Trump,  just like Marcus Lemonis telling the world he doesn't want Trump supporters shopping in his stores. It is a free country. You don't like the way somebody runs their business, you take your money elsewhere. you don't try to force them to do business the way they don't want to.

[..]

I haven't heard or have seen were the MSM has reported of the incident/protest by the Red Hen owner once the remainder of the Sanders family went to the other restaurant. Its said the Red Hen owner closed the restaurant for an extended period of time and has resigned from a local town position.  Good.

If "good", then what you do call a cake maker that goes all the way to the Supreme Court to make sure they don't have to service gays?

Besides, irony?

"I will serve you, but I won't make this special item that I don't sell." is a very different issue from "I won't serve you."

And don't bother telling me otherwise because I CONSTANTLY get that exact attitude from restaurants in my work district.  I have a specific dietary style and I constantly get told "No, we won't [modify a menu item / make something based upon something else / substitute an ingredient]", and then "but go ahead and eat something else" which I CAN'T from their menu choices. 

Can you share with us what your "dietary style" is so we can further understand?

Repeat.

[G-Man]

We had a pizza place not far from me in Walkerton IN back in the day that refused to cater a gay event and got national attention. It did not bode well for them and they closed eventually. These kind of events are not good for business and they will find out.

Fact is,, they would have served anyone, even if they were gay,, but they just did not want to cater their event
 

I think I remember that.  The pizza store in the one I recall had christian articles around the store on the walls and at the register.  I believe, just as with the baker who refused to bake the wedding cake, that this pizza store was targeted for their beliefs.  Whether you feel their beliefs are right or wrong does not matter.  These folks were TARGETED.  

[Wizzard]

We had a pizza place not far from me in Walkerton IN back in the day that refused to cater a gay event and got national attention. It did not bode well for them and they closed eventually. These kind of events are not good for business and they will find out.

Fact is,, they would have served anyone, even if they were gay,, but they just did not want to cater their event
 

I think I remember that.  The pizza store in the one I recall had christian articles around the store on the walls and at the register.  I believe, just as with the baker who refused to bake the wedding cake, that this pizza store was targeted for their beliefs.  Whether you feel their beliefs are right or wrong does not matter.  These folks were TARGETED.  

Yep,, that's the one. I think a fund was set up to help them and they got like 25k.. but was not enough. They lasted a couple years and folded. When you get that kind of attention it's a stigma, which is exactly what the targeter's want.

[Alpha Dog]

We had a pizza place not far from me in Walkerton IN back in the day that refused to cater a gay event and got national attention. It did not bode well for them and they closed eventually. These kind of events are not good for business and they will find out.

Fact is,, they would have served anyone, even if they were gay,, but they just did not want to cater their event
 

I think I remember that.  The pizza store in the one I recall had christian articles around the store on the walls and at the register.  I believe, just as with the baker who refused to bake the wedding cake, that this pizza store was targeted for their beliefs.  Whether you feel their beliefs are right or wrong does not matter.  These folks were TARGETED.  

Yep,, that's the one. I think a fund was set up to help them and they got like 25k.. but was not enough. They lasted a couple years and folded. When you get that kind of attention it's a stigma, which is exactly what the targeter's want.

Bingo.  I am with most, refuse service if you want and the free market will work it out.  Sanders was nice enough and moved on with out creating a scene or I have at least not heard of one.  The owner going across the street to holler and create havoc was bridge way to far.  Back in the old days that would have landed that owner some leather goods ( a belt in the mouth and a boot in the ass ) although I would never call for that.  I am a kinder gentler type of person.

I can not imagine going to a restaurant and demanding they cook what I want ( menu be cursed ) to meet my dietary needs.  Subway will do that and it is where I usually stop when traveling which is what I do.

[Oss]

Alpha, funny that you posted that

My favorite restaurant has a meal named after me  Veal Evan

When Bonnie was hospitalized in NYC many years ago after leaving her room I stopped at a small italian place and I had this great veal dish pan fried veal with tomatoes, garlic onion and spinach  I asked the owner of a local place if he could try to make it as he is a friend, in fact we are close with him and his wife for 30 yrs.

His was so better than what I got in Manhattan and it is my standing order when I visit often monthly.   It depends on HOW you deal with people.  When dealing with respect and tipping well all is possible after all.

So yes I would ask for what I want or cant eat (allergy ) and fully expect it to be done.  Kids die from peanuts and epi pen should be a last resort I think We should all be free to ask politely what we would like or need not to eat.

Dont usually disagree with you..... but this one for sure.

Have a great holiday

Oss

Yeah I have eaten subway on the road, meh

[baldo]

  The Sanders family left the Red Hen without incident and Sara Sanders and her husband went home. The remainder went to the restaurant across the street where the Red Hen owner then harassed them. Just how does that in any way sane way relate to the Phillips case. Mr Phillips did not follow that couple to harass them at another bakery.  They just sued the bakery, so, I guess, by your thinking the Sanders family should now sue the Red Hen, which I doubt they will do, but, I would like to see them do it. That harassment was completely uncalled for and I think the out come would be different for the Red Hen owner.

This alleged harassment never happened. The only one claiming it is her father, not exactly a paragon of integrity...

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2018/jun/27/houston-post/no-red-hen-owner-didnt-threaten-sarah-huckabee-san/

[The emperor has no clothes]

  The Sanders family left the Red Hen without incident and Sara Sanders and her husband went home. The remainder went to the restaurant across the street where the Red Hen owner then harassed them. Just how does that in any way sane way relate to the Phillips case. Mr Phillips did not follow that couple to harass them at another bakery.  They just sued the bakery, so, I guess, by your thinking the Sanders family should now sue the Red Hen, which I doubt they will do, but, I would like to see them do it. That harassment was completely uncalled for and I think the out come would be different for the Red Hen owner.

This alleged harassment never happened. The only one claiming it is her father, not exactly a paragon of integrity...

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2018/jun/27/houston-post/no-red-hen-owner-didnt-threaten-sarah-huckabee-san/

If it had happened I would think Sanders would have included that in her initial tweet. That is a much bigger story than being asked to leave.

[Serk]

If it had happened I would think Sanders would have included that in her initial tweet. That is a much bigger story than being asked to leave.

The press secretary was no longer in attendance when the further harassment occurred.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5885663/Mike-Huckabee-says-liberal-Red-Hen-owners-harassed-daughter-more.html

[The emperor has no clothes]

If it had happened I would think Sanders would have included that in her initial tweet. That is a much bigger story than being asked to leave.

The press secretary was no longer in attendance when the further harassment occurred.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5885663/Mike-Huckabee-says-liberal-Red-Hen-owners-harassed-daughter-more.html

Had it have happened to her Inlaws, don't you think she would have been told about it ?

[Gavin_Sons]

If it had happened I would think Sanders would have included that in her initial tweet. That is a much bigger story than being asked to leave.

The press secretary was no longer in attendance when the further harassment occurred.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5885663/Mike-Huckabee-says-liberal-Red-Hen-owners-harassed-daughter-more.html

Had it have happened to her Inlaws, don't you think she would have been told about it ?

What difference does it make?

[The emperor has no clothes]

If it had happened I would think Sanders would have included that in her initial tweet. That is a much bigger story than being asked to leave.

The press secretary was no longer in attendance when the further harassment occurred.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5885663/Mike-Huckabee-says-liberal-Red-Hen-owners-harassed-daughter-more.html

Had it have happened to her Inlaws, don't you think she would have been told about it ?

What difference does it make?

If the owner of the Red Hen did not go across the street and harass them as Mike Huckabee said, then his story is a lie. Lying or embellishing doesn't bolster his character.

[Serk]

If the owner of the Red Hen did not go across the street and harass them as Mike Huckabee said, then his story is a lie. Lying or embellishing doesn't bolster his character.

While I don't believe there's anything mystical or magical about them, I do tend to give an ordained Baptist minister the benefit of the doubt when discussing simple matters like the treatment of his relatives at the hands of someone who's already shown themselves to be a deranged maniac.

[The emperor has no clothes]

If the owner of the Red Hen did not go across the street and harass them as Mike Huckabee said, then his story is a lie. Lying or embellishing doesn't bolster his character.

While I don't believe there's anything mystical or magical about them, I do tend to give an ordained Baptist minister the benefit of the doubt when discussing simple matters like the treatment of his relatives at the hands of someone who's already shown themselves to be a deranged maniac.

To be honest I've always liked Huckabee. But if you think an ordained Baptist minister is beyond lying, there are quite a few I can refer to who have lied thru their teeth. I think it's likely the story got passed on by word of mouth and each time it grew.

[Serk]

But if you think an ordained Baptist minister is beyond lying

FAR from being beyond lying, but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt, and will believe his word over known.... shall we say benders of the truth such as Snopes...

[Gavin_Sons]

How do we know the people reporting on this are not lying? Which I refer back to "what difference does it make"?

[Jess from VA]

Apparently, what goes around, comes around.

I hope they are enjoying the other guys' free speech as much as they enjoyed theirs.  








Red Hen remains closed amid protests
 Local News   

(Lexington, Va.) — The Red Hen restaurant in Lexington remained closed Tuesday, four days after White House press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders was asked to leave.

The eatery was supposed to open at 5 p.m.; however, protesters who are urging a boycott of the Red Hen prevented that from happening. The protesters, many of whom came from out of state, gathered outside the restaurant throughout the day.  One of the protesters who threw manure at the building was charged with disorderly conduct.

Also Tuesday, the restaurant’s owner, Stephanie Wilkerson, resigned as executive director of Main Street Lexington, saying she felt it was best for the organization for her to step down.


And this: A business advocacy group in Lexington, VA has strongly denounced the Red Hen restaurant for refusing to serve Trump press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders.



You know, you just can't buy this kind of publicity.  


PostScript:  Sadly we Virginians are now a swing state in National elections, but don't let anyone tell you we're not still part of the South.  

[Oss]

Throwing crap at a building?  Glad he was arrested.

Peaceful protest - what a delightful irony.

R E S P E C T  It is more than a song by Aretha Franklin, it is what is missing and we need more of it, everywhere.  Just like to get friends you need to be a friend, to command respect one must show it to others in your actions, not just your words

[..]

I do wish the nutters on all sides would stay at home in a locked, padded room whilst wearing a strait jacket and maybe a ball gag. 

[Jess from VA]

I don't know Paul, I kind of like the push-back on the National Hate Trump Campaign (wherever, whenever).  I may not agree with some of their finer points, but I'm completely on board with the push-back. 

And I believe it can only energize the good base in coming elections too.

If they quit (when pigs fly), then we should too. 

[..]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5911855/Scott-Pruitt-latest-Trump-official-harassed-restaurant.html

[Patrick]

If I heard correctly even the Bikers for Trump had their own little get together at the red hen.

Some of this stuff is getting way out of hand. But, I'm glad to see the R's standing up to it.

[Willow]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5911855/Scott-Pruitt-latest-Trump-official-harassed-restaurant.html  

I'm not certain I would call those related.  An individual verbally accosting an official and a restaurant owner (or manager) telling an official to leave without service are two different things.  Both are offensive to me but one is definitely over the line of excusable.

[Gavin_Sons]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5911855/Scott-Pruitt-latest-Trump-official-harassed-restaurant.html  

I'm not certain I would call those related.  An individual verbally accosting an official and a restaurant owner (or manager) telling an official to leave without service are two different things.  Both are offensive to me but one is definitely over the line of excusable.

I still believe a business owner should have the right to refuse service or product to anyone they choose. As long as they are willing to accept the repercussions they may get.

[G-Man]

 As long as they are willing to accept the repercussions they may get.

That's ALL of it right there!  Can be applied across America and across issues.

Yes, the NFL players have the right to kneel during the anthem.  But they don't have the right to to avoid the repercussions and the rest of us have the right to express our disapproval.

Yes, the bakery should have the right not to participate in a gay event, but they don't have the right to avoid the fallout when others express their disapproval by not frequenting the bakery.

Yes, the Red Hen had the right, but ..................

It's about F U C K I N G time!  About time there was a pushback on this crap.  Everything is ass-backwards now.  Woman of the year is a man.  Boys competing and beating girls because they "want" to be girls.  Denying service because of politics.  A year and half to find a crime, any crime, to  disqualify the president who already overhauled the VA, the tax system, appointed one and will appoint another SC justice,  has picked apart the ACA, made it legal to obtain possible life-saving drugs, is saving tax payer dollars by getting others to pay their fair share for international defense, and who is attacking the trade deficit with both guns firing.  If they actually had anything, anything at all, would they continue to allow him to push his agenda forward? (small rant over)

[Oss]

Gary, love ya brother

Fix the bike, call me, lets go for a ride when it cools down below 90degrees

You need some wind therapy bad, you may not make it to vacation without it

Oss

[The emperor has no clothes]

Gary, love ya brother

Fix the bike, call me, lets go for a ride when it cools down below 90degrees

You need some wind therapy bad, you may not make it to vacation without it

Oss

I'd pitch in to help with repairs. 

[Gavin_Sons]

 As long as they are willing to accept the repercussions they may get.

That's ALL of it right there!  Can be applied across America and across issues.

Yes, the NFL players have the right to kneel during the anthem.  But they don't have the right to to avoid the repercussions and the rest of us have the right to express our disapproval.

Yes, the bakery should have the right not to participate in a gay event, but they don't have the right to avoid the fallout when others express their disapproval by not frequenting the bakery.

Yes, the Red Hen had the right, but ..................

It's about F U C K I N G time!  About time there was a pushback on this crap.  Everything is ass-backwards now.  Woman of the year is a man.  Boys competing and beating girls because they "want" to be girls.  Denying service because of politics.  A year and half to find a crime, any crime, to  disqualify the president who already overhauled the VA, the tax system, appointed one and will appoint another SC justice,  has picked apart the ACA, made it legal to obtain possible life-saving drugs, is saving tax payer dollars by getting others to pay their fair share for international defense, and who is attacking the trade deficit with both guns firing.  If they actually had anything, anything at all, would they continue to allow him to push his agenda forward? (small rant over)

  so can sanders come back and sue the Red Hen for 130k? It is only fair she gets to.

[Wizzard]

No according to the lib's that's different. 

[..]

Tough guy. 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5921257/Texas-teenager-attacked-wearing-Make-America-Great-hat.html