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Little known fact about me and the FBI. I graduated from high school in 1970. During the last semester of my senior year a representative from the FBI came to the school to talk to us about jobs available to us. I had no college or job plans at the time so I signed up! Nothing too glamorous as the position was for a file clerk. It did create a little stir in the community though because agents from the FBI came to town doing background checks on me. It was funny because I was only 17 at the time and within 2 miles of my home were 3 other John Smiths. Since I had been called JC since I was a toddler not too many people knew my first name was John. Apparently they gathered enough info to give me a pass and I found myself on the way to Washington DC to begin my first “real” job.
After a few months as a file clerk I was offered the opportunity to become a fingerprint technician,so for a few months I attended classes and learned how to classify and search fingerprint records. At this time I had to have a security clearance because of the access I had to information in those files. With all the uproar over security clearances it just brought this little slice of my life back to my memory.
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« Reply #1 on: August 18, 2018, 06:50:56 AM » |
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We are currently building a powerline in the Y-12 Security Complex in Oak Ridge , Tennessee . What a bunch of BS you have to go through just to get in that place . Vehicle searched with guards and dogs every time you enter the gate. Had to attend a class get finger printed and get a badge still they search every time you enter. Security clearance is dated if you are in date you are good if not you have to go through the song and dance all over again.
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« Reply #2 on: August 18, 2018, 06:54:13 AM » |
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try working for a GMP facility having to deal with FDA and other govt. B.S. is no better.... surprise you do not have to have clearance to go take a crap......  |
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« Reply #3 on: August 18, 2018, 07:15:56 AM » |
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Dealing with security clearances has gotten more complicated over the years. Held one for over 20 years while active duty in the Navy. Glad my current job doesn’t require one.
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« Reply #4 on: August 18, 2018, 07:20:43 AM » |
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Funny story - I'm currently working for a federal agency with a three letter acronym for a name. I did the initial background check paperwork, and thought it was done.
Year and a half after I'd been working there got a call that they were ready to do my interview and background check now.
Keep in mind, I've been in the systems, with full admin/root access to a large TLA fed agency for a year and a half BEFORE they got around to doing the background check interview.
Gotta love government efficiency!
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« Reply #5 on: August 18, 2018, 08:04:25 AM » |
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Having dealt with these while on active duty Navy - ( and working for companies that did potential clearance related access since)
Clearances DO expire. If you are now in a job that doesn't require the higher level you had at a previous job - it will get "administratvly downgraded without prejudice".
Serk - they granted you access on an interim basis - They didn't find anything in the interim investigation, so you were OK.
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« Reply #6 on: August 18, 2018, 08:10:29 AM » |
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Why does it take so long to do a background check? It should take 1-2 weeks, not 1 month in my one experience before being hired or while hired say security clearance needed again?
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« Reply #7 on: August 18, 2018, 08:35:46 AM » |
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They did a I guess minor check on my shortly after I got into "A" school in Millington Tn. I guess I needed some sort of "clearance" because of "stuff" I might observe on the Aircraft Carrier. AND I was indoctrinated in gubmint double speak-this came immediately to mind-I can neither confirm nor deny to ANY question to ANYTHING I might be asked away from the ship and/or squadron area. I remember one of the few times I was warned upfront to not say something regarding a torpedo we loaded aboard one of our squadron birds. And being as I rotated home and out of The U S N in Feb 1968 I'm thinkin any clearances I Might have had are long since in file 13 and of no interest to anyone. I remember transiting on the Big E-U S S Enterprise and there were areas posted VERY VISIBLY with signs stating-DO NOT ENTER WITHOUT PROPER CLEARENCE. They wouldn't clear me so I could even have a little look see! RIDE SAFE. |
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« Reply #8 on: August 18, 2018, 08:41:37 AM » |
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I too was just thinking about this. I doubt my Top Secret clearance stayed with me. But who knows. Maybe I will hack into Serk’s NSA account and see.  |
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« Reply #9 on: August 18, 2018, 08:44:24 AM » |
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Old clearances die a natural death. My Secret from USAF is long gone. Background checks easily now take well over a year or more. Those with more sensitive duties get head of the line treatment. I have been asked many times to vouch for others (and if I know and trust them I agree) and it has been months before the investigator showed up to interview me. I got interviewed on my wife's Q (civilian TS), several times. For my wife's initial clearance, even though she had her US citizenship for over a decade, they sent folks from a US consulate to interview her Turk HS teachers. IMHO, if you don't need one, you don't want one. Unlike for many of our notable and newsworthy govt overlords, you can get in real trouble for security violations. Rob, they trusted you with a TS?   |
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« Reply #10 on: August 18, 2018, 09:39:53 AM » |
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We are currently building a powerline in the Y-12 Security Complex in Oak Ridge , Tennessee . What a bunch of BS you have to go through just to get in that place . Vehicle searched with guards and dogs every time you enter the gate. Had to attend a class get finger printed and get a badge still they search every time you enter. Security clearance is dated if you are in date you are good if not you have to go through the song and dance all over again.
My first visit to Oak Ridge was in the late 60’s, 68 or 69. It was a school field trip and I remember it seemed to take forever to get there as there were no 4 lane interstates from central Kentucky to Oak Ridge Tennessee. I didn’t mind though as I was surprised to see a girl I was very interested in get on the bus and she came back and sat with me. I remember it being very interesting to see what they were willing to show us and a little scary too when they showed us material handling areas that used remote mechanical arms and viewing thru glass inches thick. One of the more enjoyable days as a high school student. |
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« Reply #11 on: August 18, 2018, 10:52:52 AM » |
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Old clearances die a natural death. My Secret from USAF is long gone. Background checks easily now take well over a year or more. Those with more sensitive duties get head of the line treatment. I have been asked many times to vouch for others (and if I know and trust them I agree) and it has been months before the investigator showed up to interview me. I got interviewed on my wife's Q (civilian TS), several times. For my wife's initial clearance, even though she had her US citizenship for over a decade, they sent folks from a US consulate to interview her Turk HS teachers. IMHO, if you don't need one, you don't want one. Unlike for many of our notable and newsworthy govt overlords, you can get in real trouble for security violations. Rob, they trusted you with a TS? Believe it or not at one time I was a respectable young man. I often wondered if they actually did any real background checks on me though. I don’t remember any friends or family saying anything about it. |
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« Reply #12 on: August 18, 2018, 01:46:01 PM » |
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I have to assume my clearance was revoked long ago when I left the military. They won't let me near a mess hall now.....  Rams.  |
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« Reply #13 on: August 19, 2018, 06:29:18 AM » |
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in the navy i had a q-4 clearance, last year I had to get cleared again to work in our FBI office, so I say no, your clearance does not stay with you.
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« Reply #14 on: August 19, 2018, 06:56:51 AM » |
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in the navy i had a q-4 clearance, last year I had to get cleared again to work in our FBI office, so I say no, your clearance does not stay with you.
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« Reply #15 on: August 19, 2018, 07:25:30 AM » |
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The last 10 year I worked for BLM, I was a IT. We had to be finger printed, back ground checked, the whole ball of wax. It was required because I had access to all the info on the system, personnel files, investigations, etc. Had folks come out and talk to neighbors and co-works. I worked for about a year in this position before the check was completed. Yeah it was revoked when I retired.
Funny thing was when I started with the Gov. back my younger days, we were also finger printed. Guess those files were lost during that 30 years between the time I started to the time I moved to the IT postion.
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« Reply #17 on: August 19, 2018, 08:00:37 AM » |
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The last 10 year I worked for BLM, I was a IT. We had to be finger printed, back ground checked, the whole ball of wax. It was required because I had access to all the info on the system, personnel files, investigations, etc. Had folks come out and talk to neighbors and co-works. I worked for about a year in this position before the check was completed. Yeah it was revoked when I retired.
Funny thing was when I started with the Gov. back my younger days, we were also finger printed. Guess those files were lost during that 30 years between the time I started to the time I moved to the IT postion.
After 30 years they are going to start from scratch again (esp prints). They may have found your old clearance paperwork and added to the file. And compared your old and new info provided for consistency. After 30 years, you could be some other guy claiming to be the original Oleman. Dead people vote too. Once old is expired, they do it again. A few headlines: Top-secret clearance investigations went from 75 days to 323 days in 2017
Delays in federal background checks leave more than 700,000 people in limbo
The government trusted about 4.3 million people with various levels of security clearance as of October 2015. These included nearly 2.9 million people at the “confidential” or “secret” level and nearly 1.4 million at the “top secret” level.
Security clearances aren’t mandated for the president, vice president, members of Congress, Supreme Court justices or other constitutional officers.
The Pentagon typically conducts a renewal investigation of people with top-secret clearances every five years, for secret every 10 years, and for confidential every 15 years.
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« Reply #18 on: August 19, 2018, 09:58:44 AM » |
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Yes, really. I have no issue with former intelligence officers keeping their clearances. But that is when you can expect to receive valuable help in the near or long term future. Brennen has no such ambitions unless you include the removal of Trump as President. Not something I would stand for if I were in Trumps shoes. Brennen can continue to slobber at the mouth over what he perceives as the danger of Trump as President but he can do that as a private citizen. There are several more that need clearances revoked as they are of no use for the foreseeable future. |
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« Reply #19 on: August 19, 2018, 11:22:50 AM » |
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Most of you guys are not alone Kris Paronto wrote this. Meanwhile, Benghazi survivor and former Army ranger Kris Paronto - who lost his security clearance years ago after telling his account of the Benghazi attack - slammed Brennan in a Thursday tweet which reads: "My principles are greater than clearances too John, especially when you and the @CIA kool-aid drinkers punished us for not going along with the Benghazi cover-up story in order to protect you, @HillaryClinton ‘s & @BarackObama ‘s failures. You put your politics before us." My principles are greater than clearances too John, especially when you and the @CIA kool-aid drinkers punished us for not going along with the Benghazi cover-up story in order to protect you, @HillaryClinton ‘s & @BarackObama ‘s failures. You put your politics before us. https://t.co/qWFWujKthL — Kris Paronto (@KrisParonto) August 16, 2018 Discussing the petition signed by former officials, Paronto said: "Of course the former @CIA and @ODNIgov directors sign a petition, because they want the continue to feel they are above the law and above us common folk....no more eltists, rules apply to you just like everyone else." Of course the former @CIA and @ODNIgov directors sign a petition, because they want the continue to feel they are above the law and above us common folk....no more eltists, rules apply to you just like everyone else. @JohnBrennan #DeepState #crybabies https://t.co/jYs2FLAlXL — Kris Paronto (@KrisParonto) August 17, 2018 The @CIA @FBI and @NSAGov did everything in it’s power to cover up shady @BarackObama activities, criminal @HillaryClinton activities&tried to influence the presidential election with misinformation&leaking info to the MSM. Now they’re up in arms over their Security clearances? — Kris Paronto (@KrisParonto) August 17, 2018 |
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« Reply #20 on: August 19, 2018, 02:35:49 PM » |
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As mentioned, keeping a security clearance makes sense for transitions of administration when you may be called on for advice. Once you become an enemy of the new administration, nobody should be dumb enough to even ask you what time it is. Brennan has no official use to the US anymore. It seems poor practice to let him keep a clearance to be used in potentially attacking the duly elected will of the people. The best way to stop leaks to someone like Brennan is obvious, revoke his now useless clearance so that those who would leak so much as a single classified word know that prison awaits when discovered.
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« Reply #21 on: August 19, 2018, 03:32:42 PM » |
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Nobody's taking away his right to free speech, he can talk away all he likes.
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« Reply #22 on: August 19, 2018, 03:58:19 PM » |
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Bull Crap!!!!! Those out of office have no need for a clearance and this is just another feeding frenzy the Dems and a very bias'd media is blowing smoke to make Trump look bad. I'm not even close to being a Trump fan and I see it very clearly....... I used to have a "special" clearance for special things. The second I left that position, I had absolutely no need for the clearance. I was not going to be involved in any policy or planning in reference to the position I had just left. Give me a frigg'n break......  Rams |
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« Reply #23 on: August 19, 2018, 04:07:21 PM » |
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Bull Crap!!!!! Those out of office have no need for a clearance and this is just another feeding frenzy the Dems and a very bias'd media is blowing smoke to make Trump look bad. I'm not even close to being a Trump fan and I see it very clearly....... I used to have a "special" clearance for special things. The second I left that position, I had absolutely no need for the clearance. I was not going to be involved in any policy or planning in reference to the position I had just left. Give me a frigg'n break...... Rams It has nothing to do with Democratic or Republican affiliation. Many members from Reagans, H.W., and W's administrations would say you are dead wrong. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/top-former-intelligence-bosses-speak-out-in-favor-of-brennan/ |
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« Reply #24 on: August 19, 2018, 04:09:41 PM » |
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Bull Crap!!!!! Those out of office have no need for a clearance and this is just another feeding frenzy the Dems and a very bias'd media is blowing smoke to make Trump look bad. I'm not even close to being a Trump fan and I see it very clearly....... I used to have a "special" clearance for special things. The second I left that position, I had absolutely no need for the clearance. I was not going to be involved in any policy or planning in reference to the position I had just left. Give me a frigg'n break...... Rams It has nothing to do with Democratic or Republican affiliation. Many members from Reagans, H.W., and W's administrations would say you are dead wrong. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/top-former-intelligence-bosses-speak-out-in-favor-of-brennan/Many of them hate Trump also..... Just as you have demonstrated..... Rams |
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Bull Crap!!!!! Those out of office have no need for a clearance and this is just another feeding frenzy the Dems and a very bias'd media is blowing smoke to make Trump look bad. I'm not even close to being a Trump fan and I see it very clearly....... I used to have a "special" clearance for special things. The second I left that position, I had absolutely no need for the clearance. I was not going to be involved in any policy or planning in reference to the position I had just left. Give me a frigg'n break...... Rams It has nothing to do with Democratic or Republican affiliation. Many members from Reagans, H.W., and W's administrations would say you are dead wrong. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/top-former-intelligence-bosses-speak-out-in-favor-of-brennan/Many of them hate Trump also..... Just as you have demonstrated..... Rams So if a former CIA director under the Reagan or Bush administrations thinks Trump is wrong, their opinion on this matter is not relevant ?  I have seen little record of any of them saying anything hateful about Trump. |
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So if a former CIA director under the Reagan or Bush administrations thinks Trump is wrong, their opinion on this matter is not relevant ? I have seen little record of any of them saying anything hateful about Trump. They haven't. You have, though, demonstrated repeatedly that no matter what the President does you will find it unacceptable. That makes your opinion on this matter irrelevant. Incidentally we have only had one Reagan elected as our President. |
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So if a former CIA director under the Reagan or Bush administrations thinks Trump is wrong, their opinion on this matter is not relevant ? I have seen little record of any of them saying anything hateful about Trump. They haven't. You have, though, demonstrated repeatedly that no matter what the President does you will find it unacceptable. That makes your opinion on this matter irrelevant. Incidentally we have only had one Reagan elected as our President. I guess that would be a wrong opinion on your part. Your memory is failing you. There have been things I agreed with Trump on.  |
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« Reply #29 on: August 19, 2018, 04:55:21 PM » |
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Bull Crap!!!!! Those out of office have no need for a clearance and this is just another feeding frenzy the Dems and a very bias'd media is blowing smoke to make Trump look bad. I'm not even close to being a Trump fan and I see it very clearly....... I used to have a "special" clearance for special things. The second I left that position, I had absolutely no need for the clearance. I was not going to be involved in any policy or planning in reference to the position I had just left. Give me a frigg'n break...... Rams It has nothing to do with Democratic or Republican affiliation. Many members from Reagans, H.W., and W's administrations would say you are dead wrong. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/top-former-intelligence-bosses-speak-out-in-favor-of-brennan/Many of them hate Trump also..... Just as you have demonstrated..... Rams So if a former CIA director under the Reagan or Bush administrations thinks Trump is wrong, their opinion on this matter is not relevant ? I have seen little record of any of them saying anything hateful about Trump. Rob, their opinion is relevant but it is just that, their opinion. I’m not too concerned with what they think anymore than my own opinion. But if a former high ranking security official starts throwing around accusations of treason as his opinion it’s time to cut ties. Does John Brennen have anything to offer the country other than his opinion? If so he should shut the hell up and offer his assistance, if not he can keep on crying about his butthurt. |
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Clapper: Brennan's rhetoric is becoming an issue http://thehill.com/homenews/sunday-talk-shows/402521-clapper-brennans-rhetoric-is-becoming-an-issue-in-and-of-itselfBrennan provided Obama with the unverified claims that Trump colluded with Russian authorities. He set up a task force including CIA,FBI,NSA agents that continued to feed information to Obama. The Washington Post reported. Brennan also briefed top congressional leaders on the unverified claims.    https://www.cfr.org/search?keyword=%20John%20O.%20%20Brennan%20John Brennan: "As far as the allegations of CIA hacking into Senate computers, nothing could be further from the truth. I mean, we wouldn't do that. I mean, that's—that's just beyond the scope of reason in terms of what we would do." Inquiry by C.I.A. Affirms It Spied on Senate Panel July 31, 2014 https://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/01/world/senate-intelligence-commitee-cia-interrogation-report.htmlWASHINGTON — An internal investigation by the C.I.A. has found that its officers penetrated a computer network used by the Senate Intelligence Committee in preparing its damning report on the C.I.A.’s detention and interrogation program. Ex-CIA Chief Brennan's Security Clearance Should Have Been Revoked Long Ago https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/brennan-security-clearance-removed/Since when did the CIA have a public voice instead of a covert one? |
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Bull Crap!!!!! Those out of office have no need for a clearance and this is just another feeding frenzy the Dems and a very bias'd media is blowing smoke to make Trump look bad. I'm not even close to being a Trump fan and I see it very clearly....... I used to have a "special" clearance for special things. The second I left that position, I had absolutely no need for the clearance. I was not going to be involved in any policy or planning in reference to the position I had just left. Give me a frigg'n break...... Rams It has nothing to do with Democratic or Republican affiliation. Many members from Reagans, H.W., and W's administrations would say you are dead wrong. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/top-former-intelligence-bosses-speak-out-in-favor-of-brennan/Many of them hate Trump also..... Just as you have demonstrated..... Rams So if a former CIA director under the Reagan or Bush administrations thinks Trump is wrong, their opinion on this matter is not relevant ? I have seen little record of any of them saying anything hateful about Trump. Rob, their opinion is relevant but it is just that, their opinion. I’m not too concerned with what they think anymore than my own opinion. But if a former high ranking security official starts throwing around accusations of treason as his opinion it’s time to cut ties. Does John Brennen have anything to offer the country other than his opinion? If so he should shut the hell up and offer his assistance, if not he can keep on crying about his butthurt. I would say a man who has served his country honorably for 40 years is entitled to express his opinion. And yes, that's all it is. His opinion. Probably more informed than yours or mine, but still just his opinion. When intelligence officers from all of the last 30 years administrations (Republican and Democratic) express their reasoning why removing someone's clearance for clearly personal reasons is wrong, I put some weight behind their opinions. |
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This was at Brennens confirmation Senator John McCain noted: "I have many questions and concerns…especially what role he played in the so-called enhanced interrogation programs while serving at the CIA during the [George W. Bush] administration.” Last week, after Brennan made courtesy calls to the SSCI, Senator Ron Wyden’s spokesperson said the senator was frustrated by “the lack of transparency from the administration and the nominee,” specifically regarding their legal justification for killing American citizens, which will now reportedly be provided to the SSCI members. That young senator was Joseph R. Biden, Jr., whose concerns from 1981 mirror the close personal relationship between Brennan and the president today. Obama administration officials describe Brennan as a "priest whose blessing has become indispensable." The problems posed by a director of central intelligence as close to the president as perhaps the national security adviser, or the director of national intelligence, should be questioned by SSCI as well. 'Drain the swamp CIA admits to spying on Senate staffers CIA director apologises for improper conduct of agency staff One senator calls on John Brennan to resign in wake of scandal Brennan acknowledged that an internal investigation had found agency security personnel transgressed a firewall set up on a CIA network, which allowed Senate committee investigators to review agency documents for their landmark inquiry into CIA torture. Among other things, it was revealed that agency officials conducted keyword searches and email searches on committee staff while they used the network. The admission brings Brennan’s already rocky tenure at the head of the CIA under renewed question. One senator on the panel said he had lost confidence in the director, although the White House indicated its support for a man who has been one of Barack Obama’s most trusted security aides. CIA spokesman Dean Boyd acknowledged that agency staff had improperly monitored the computers of committee staff members, who were using a network the agency had set up, called RDINet. “Some CIA employees acted in a manner inconsistent with the common understanding reached between [the committee] and the CIA in 2009 regarding access to the RDINet,” he said. Asked if Brennan had or would offer his resignation, a different CIA spokesman, Ryan Trapani, replied: “No.” https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/31/cia-admits-spying-senate-staffersOn 8 March 2013, John Brennan was sworn in as CIA Director. He was nominated by President Barack Obama on 7 January 2013, and in February of that year a rumor began to circulate about Brennan’s purported conversion to Islam while he was stationed in Saudi Arabia in the 1990s:  The claim’s fire was fueled after Brennan was sworn in to his office not on a Bible but on a copy of the Constitution. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/cia-director-john-brennan-muslim/Re_read Five Eyes. Avoid US data collection laws. Hussein. Public: Dossier FISA. Not Public: Five Eyes UK/AUS POTUS targeting using pushed RUS decoy meetings / campaign insertions. Hussein HRC LL Brennan Clapper NAT SEC WH SIT RM OP UK AUS assist/set up. |
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“Some people see things that are and ask, Why? Some people dream of things that never were and ask, Why not? Some people have to go to work and don’t have time for all that.”
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« Reply #33 on: August 19, 2018, 05:52:10 PM » |
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Bull Crap!!!!! Those out of office have no need for a clearance and this is just another feeding frenzy the Dems and a very bias'd media is blowing smoke to make Trump look bad. I'm not even close to being a Trump fan and I see it very clearly....... I used to have a "special" clearance for special things. The second I left that position, I had absolutely no need for the clearance. I was not going to be involved in any policy or planning in reference to the position I had just left. Give me a frigg'n break...... Rams It has nothing to do with Democratic or Republican affiliation. Many members from Reagans, H.W., and W's administrations would say you are dead wrong. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/top-former-intelligence-bosses-speak-out-in-favor-of-brennan/Many of them hate Trump also..... Just as you have demonstrated..... Rams So if a former CIA director under the Reagan or Bush administrations thinks Trump is wrong, their opinion on this matter is not relevant ? I have seen little record of any of them saying anything hateful about Trump. Rob, their opinion is relevant but it is just that, their opinion. I’m not too concerned with what they think anymore than my own opinion. But if a former high ranking security official starts throwing around accusations of treason as his opinion it’s time to cut ties. Does John Brennen have anything to offer the country other than his opinion? If so he should shut the hell up and offer his assistance, if not he can keep on crying about his butthurt. I would say a man who has served his country honorably for 40 years is entitled to express his opinion. And yes, that's all it is. His opinion. Probably more informed than yours or mine, but still just his opinion. When intelligence officers from all of the last 30 years administrations (Republican and Democratic) express their reasoning why removing someone's clearance for clearly personal reasons is wrong, I put some weight behind their opinions. Would you feel the same way if the roles were reversed? Let's say a former Bush CIA officer went on FOX and every other conservative news site and trashed Obama every chance he got or accused him of treason. Would it be "just his opinion". I'm going to go out on a limb here and say no. In my opinion. If a person with a security clearance had done a lateral move or moved to a different organization within the government I would say they should be able to keep the clearance. BUT when they leave the CIA and goes on, in this case to work for a news organizations such as CNN. They have NO use for a federal security clearance. I would feel the same way if he was a Republican. |
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« Reply #34 on: August 19, 2018, 06:02:16 PM » |
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The Analysis Corporation (TAC) was the Intelligence Solutions business of Global Defense Technology & Systems, Inc. ("GTEC"), now renamed Sotera Defense Solutions, a defense contracting company. Since its inception in 1990, TAC has been working on projects in the counterterrorism and national security realm by supporting national watchlisting activities as well as other counterterrorism requirements. Based in McLean, Virginia, it is a wholly owned subsidiary of Global Strategies Group (North America) Inc., the operating company of GTEC In November 2005, John O. Brennan was appointed president and CEO of TAC. Mr. Brennan was the former interim director of the National Counterterrorism Center and a 25-year veteran of the CIA. Following Mr. Brennan’s departure in October 2008 to serve as advisor to then-presidential candidate Barack Obama, Alexander Drew became the acting president of TAC. Mr. Drew was then named president in January 2009 and remained so though February 2012, when TAC was ultimately dissolved and assimilated into Sotera Defense Solutions, formerly SFA, Global Strategies Group (North America), and GTEC. In January 2009, Mr. Brennan was selected by President Barack Obama to serve in his administration as Homeland Security Adviser and Deputy National Security Adviser for Counterterrorism. In March 2013, Brennan was appointed director of the Central Intelligence Agency. OOOPPPPPPSSSSSS: WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The CEO of a company whose employee is accused of improperly looking at the passport files of presidential candidates is a consultant to the Barack Obama campaign, a source said Saturday.art.brennan.gi.jpg http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/03/22/passport.files/Analysis Corp. President John Brennan, shown here in 2004, advises Barack Obama, a source tells CNN. John O. Brennan, president and CEO of the Analysis Corp., advises the Illinois Democrat on foreign policy and intelligence issues, the source said. |
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“Some people see things that are and ask, Why? Some people dream of things that never were and ask, Why not? Some people have to go to work and don’t have time for all that.”
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« Reply #35 on: August 19, 2018, 06:07:26 PM » |
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We are getting a build up of quotes, so I’m going to start anew. If you will remember there were many who accused Obama of being a traitor. Some members here even. Brennan works for CNN ? I wasn’t aware of that, but if so I guess he is free to work where he pleases. The issue for me isn’t really that he had his clearance revoked. He is retired, he doesn’t need it. And I doubt Trump would allow any to consult with him even if it were in our country’s interest. The issue is he did it for childish reasoning. Brennan was saying mean things about him. How thinned skinned. Then he threatens others with it if they say mean things.
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« Reply #36 on: August 19, 2018, 06:33:28 PM » |
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We are getting a build up of quotes, so I’m going to start anew. If you will remember there were many who accused Obama of being a traitor. Some members here even. Brennan works for CNN ? I wasn’t aware of that, but if so I guess he is free to work where he pleases. The issue for me isn’t really that he had his clearance revoked. He is retired, he doesn’t need it. And I doubt Trump would allow any to consult with him even if it were in our country’s interest. The issue is he did it for childish reasoning. Brennan was saying mean things about him. How thinned skinned. Then he threatens others with it if they say mean things.
Treason, very thin skinned of Trump. I don’t think Trump is threatening anyone, I’m pretty sure he will revoke others who are traitors in their own rite. |
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« Reply #37 on: August 20, 2018, 05:23:21 AM » |
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I was not a govt official, i was a govt employee..E-5 at the time, |
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« Reply #38 on: August 20, 2018, 05:34:10 AM » |
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« Reply #39 on: August 20, 2018, 12:32:08 PM » |
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I currently hold three clearances with three different agencies, I am an FSO/CSO for a government contractor. When you get let go or move on from a job that required you to hold a clearance and there is no longer a "Need to Know" on your part, your clearance stays active for two years, or until another agency picks it up or sponsors you. If no one picks it up in that two year period, its gone, and you would have to start over if you needed another clearance.
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