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« on: September 03, 2018, 11:59:08 AM »

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Canada plans to seek help from the United Arab Emirates and Britain to defuse an escalating dispute with Saudi Arabia, sources said on Tuesday, but close ally the United States made clear it would not get involved.



The Saudi government on Sunday recalled its ambassador to Ottawa, barred Canada’s envoy from returning and placed a ban on new trade, denouncing Canada for urging the release of jailed rights activists. Riyadh accused Ottawa on Tuesday of interfering in its internal affairs.





One well placed source said the Liberal government of Prime Minister Justin Trudeau – which stresses the importance of human rights – planned to reach out to the United Arab Emirates.

“The key is to work with allies and friends in the region to cool things down, which can happen quickly,” said the source, who declined to be identified because of the sensitivity of the situation.

Another source said Canada would also seek help from Britain. The British government on Tuesday urged the two nations to show restraint.

The United States, traditionally one of Canada’s most important friends, stayed on the sidelines. U.S. President Donald Trump – who criticized Trudeau after a Group of Seven summit in June – has forged tighter ties with Riyadh.

“Both sides need to diplomatically resolve this together. We can’t do it for them; they need to resolve it together,” U.S. State Department spokeswoman Heather Nauert told a briefing.

The first Canadian source said Ottawa shared the view of foreign policy experts who believe the Saudi reaction reflected internal strains inside the kingdom, where 32-year-old Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman is trying to push through domestic reforms.

The office of Foreign Minister Chrystia Freeland did not respond to requests for comment.

The dispute looks set to damage what is a modest bilateral trade relationship worth nearly $4 billion a year. Canadian exports to Saudi Arabia totaled about $1.12 billion in 2017, or 0.2 percent of the total value of Canadian exports.





Canada says it does not know what will happen to a $13 billion defense contract to sell Canadian-made General Dynamics Corp armored vehicles to Saudi Arabia.

European traders said the main Saudi wheat-buying agency had told grains exporters it will no longer accept Canadian-origin wheat and barley.

Saudi Arabia has also ordered roughly 15,000 Saudis studying in Canada to leave.

Canada’s previous Conservative government, which lost power to the Liberals in 2015, also had challenges with Riyadh over human rights.

Thomas Juneau, an assistant professor and Middle East expert at the University of Ottawa, said Saudi irritation at the way the General Dynamics contract was handled also helped explain Riyadh’s response.

The deal was agreed in 2014 by the Conservatives, who shared the Saudi desire for deeper relations, he said. But the task of approving the export permits fell to the Liberals, who were lobbied by human rights activists to say no.

The Liberals granted the permits but showed little interest in deepening ties with Riyadh amid growing civil society and media attacks on the agreement, Juneau added.

“That for Saudi Arabia was the source of growing frustration,” he said in a phone interview. “(The ambassador) was very clear in saying he was irritated by what he saw as passivity by the Canadian government, which in his view was not resisting that criticism.”

The first Canadian source said Ottawa had no regrets about speaking out on human rights in Saudi Arabia. Canada’s ambassador, Dennis Horak, is not in Riyadh. The source said Saudi authorities were aware Horak was due to start a new posting next month.
SOURCE: Reuters, by David Ljunggren
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« Reply #1 on: September 03, 2018, 12:14:29 PM »

Trudeau’s progressive agenda has gotten him...and therefore us, in trouble diplomatically again.

Having said that....and I couldn’t be any LESS of a Trudeau supporter...it can be a difficult fine line to walk...where you completely ignore what’s going on in the world and pretend/hope it doesn’t affect you, or get involved with bad results.   For an example of either going badly, see the US at the beginning of WWII for the former or Iraq for the latter.

I suspect many here...and probably myself too...would say stay the heck out of other country’s crap unless it affects us directly.
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« Reply #2 on: September 03, 2018, 01:24:50 PM »

Should have nuked them in 2002 for what they did to us in 2001.

Saudi Arabia is no friend to the United States of America or any other democracy in the free world.
They would run to Russia in a heartbeat is we cut them off from all of the benefits that we have given them for three quarters of a century.

Our big mistake was to ever trust them in thinking that we buying their oil would define a friendship.
They fund terrorism (al-Qaeda, ISIS, the Taliban, and  other Islamic extremist organizations) as much as Iran does; they just pay off other countries' politicians to keep it hidden and "off the books".

They laugh at us and play us for the fools we are.  Canada is telling them to stick it up their golden-bidet-washing-asses.  Good for Canada..."desire for deeper relations"?  KMA. Cry

America fought the wrong country then and are fighting in the wrong country now for all the wrong reasons.

Oh yeah, where's all the goddam oil we were supposed to get for disposing of Saddam?  
Quite a large pile of horseshit, that was. tickedoff and we're still dining on it.

Screw them and the camels they rode in on. Tongue
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« Reply #3 on: September 03, 2018, 01:28:47 PM »

Trudeau’s progressive agenda has gotten him...and therefore us, in trouble diplomatically again.

Having said that....and I couldn’t be any LESS of a Trudeau supporter...it can be a difficult fine line to walk...where you completely ignore what’s going on in the world and pretend/hope it doesn’t affect you, or get involved with bad results.   For an example of either going badly, see the US at the beginning of WWII for the former or Iraq for the latter.

I suspect many here...and probably myself too...would say stay the heck out of other country’s crap unless it affects us directly.
Agree with that, AND JM's below it. They may seem at odds, but I don't think they are.   cooldude
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« Reply #4 on: September 03, 2018, 01:36:26 PM »

I personally think their decision to let women drive was a big mistake.

But I wouldn't go to war over it. 
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« Reply #5 on: September 03, 2018, 02:43:57 PM »

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I personally think their decision to let women drive was a big mistake.

But I wouldn't go to war over it.   


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« Reply #6 on: September 03, 2018, 03:05:33 PM »

I personally think their decision to let women drive was a big mistake.

But I wouldn't go to war over it. 

true story
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« Reply #7 on: September 03, 2018, 04:46:01 PM »

Um... Trudeau can in no way in anyone's right mind, be thought of as a "world leader"... inexperienced or otherwise. A very large percentage of Canadians don't even consider him to be any type  of "leader" of this country.
I usually refrain from commenting on political threads on this forum... me doing so here shows how strong my feelings are on this particular matter...  Lips Sealed
Think I'll hijack this thread... went for a nice run up to Mt Baker in WA yesterday with the Mrs... spectacular!  Whew, that makes me feel better again  Smiley

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« Reply #8 on: September 03, 2018, 04:52:54 PM »

Um... Trudeau can in no way in anyone's right mind, be thought of as a "world leader"... inexperienced or otherwise. A very large percentage of Canadians don't even consider him to be any type  of "leader" of this country.
I usually refrain from commenting on political threads on this forum... me doing so here shows how strong my feelings are on this particular matter...  Lips Sealed
Think I'll hijack this thread... went for a nice run up to Mt Baker in WA yesterday with the Mrs... spectacular!  Whew, that makes me feel better again  Smiley



Double thumbs up to that post.  cooldude cooldude
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« Reply #9 on: September 03, 2018, 05:26:51 PM »

Have you heard about the arrests in Saudi Arabia? Saudi Arabia Arrests 11 Princes, Including Billionaire Alwaleed bin Talal, its not about Canada either.
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« Reply #10 on: September 03, 2018, 05:30:05 PM »

Um... Trudeau can in no way in anyone's right mind, be thought of as a "world leader"... inexperienced or otherwise. A very large percentage of Canadians don't even consider him to be any type  of "leader" of this country.
I usually refrain from commenting on political threads on this forum... me doing so here shows how strong my feelings are on this particular matter...  Lips Sealed
Think I'll hijack this thread... went for a nice run up to Mt Baker in WA yesterday with the Mrs... spectacular!  Whew, that makes me feel better again  Smiley


Would this be the Canadian version of, "not my President" so popular 20 seconds after the left realized Trump won? 
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« Reply #11 on: September 03, 2018, 05:42:03 PM »

Um... Trudeau can in no way in anyone's right mind, be thought of as a "world leader"... inexperienced or otherwise. A very large percentage of Canadians don't even consider him to be any type  of "leader" of this country.
I usually refrain from commenting on political threads on this forum... me doing so here shows how strong my feelings are on this particular matter...  Lips Sealed
Think I'll hijack this thread... went for a nice run up to Mt Baker in WA yesterday with the Mrs... spectacular!  Whew, that makes me feel better again  Smiley


Would this be the Canadian version of, "not my President" so popular 20 seconds after the left realized Trump won? 

Closer to the "Not my president" movement 20 seconds after Obama (pbuh) was elected. (Believe it or not, Trudeau is further to the extreme left than Obama (pbuh) is/was.)
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« Reply #12 on: September 03, 2018, 07:08:45 PM »

Um... Trudeau can in no way in anyone's right mind, be thought of as a "world leader"... inexperienced or otherwise. A very large percentage of Canadians don't even consider him to be any type  of "leader" of this country.
I usually refrain from commenting on political threads on this forum... me doing so here shows how strong my feelings are on this particular matter...  Lips Sealed
Think I'll hijack this thread... went for a nice run up to Mt Baker in WA yesterday with the Mrs... spectacular!  Whew, that makes me feel better again  Smiley


Would this be the Canadian version of, "not my President" so popular 20 seconds after the left realized Trump won? 

Closer to the "Not my president" movement 20 seconds after Obama (pbuh) was elected. (Believe it or not, Trudeau is further to the extreme left than Obama (pbuh) is/was.)

I seriously never noticed a Not my President movement when Obama got elected, or an Impeach!!! before he was even sworn in. Don't recall any conservatives threatening to move to Canada. I suppose statistically there were a few, just like flat earthers and "there's a spaceship behind the cometeers".
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« Reply #13 on: September 03, 2018, 07:17:37 PM »

I seriously never noticed a Not my President movement when Obama got elected, or an Impeach!!! before he was even sworn in. Don't recall any conservatives threatening to move to Canada. I suppose statistically there were a few, just like flat earthers and "there's a spaceship behind the cometeers".

I put an IMPEACH OBAMA sticker on my Valk the morning after the election, but I'll never shy away from admitting to being a bit different in many ways... Wink
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« Reply #14 on: September 04, 2018, 05:59:16 AM »

I seriously never noticed a Not my President movement when Obama got elected, or an Impeach!!! before he was even sworn in. Don't recall any conservatives threatening to move to Canada. I suppose statistically there were a few, just like flat earthers and "there's a spaceship behind the cometeers".

I put an IMPEACH OBAMA sticker on my Valk the morning after the election, but I'll never shy away from admitting to being a bit different in many ways... Wink


Serk the impeach Obama sticker you sent me is covered up by a Deport Obama one  cooldude
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« Reply #15 on: September 04, 2018, 06:57:56 AM »

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« Reply #16 on: September 04, 2018, 07:15:12 AM »

Freeland's biggest mistake in this debacle is following Trump's example of using diplomacy by tweet.  Chrystia, be a diplomat, not a social media warrior.  Leave that to the Kardashians and their friends.
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« Reply #17 on: September 04, 2018, 07:50:34 AM »

Well I am thinking that our P.M. Justine Kardashian/East Indian Wedding Prince/Drama Teacher...may very well get back in if Ontario, Quebec and the Maritime Provinces go their "idiotic liberal" way as usual. If that happens,  kiss this god forsaken progressive part of the world adios.
How I wish Stephan Harper was back, but I think he is globe trotting with very powerful people at this time, so I wish him well. Most Canadians have 'no idea' how fortunate they were to have had Mr. Harper as our Prime Minister, especially the significant numbers of "voters" who are always looking for a "leader" who offers a lot of "Free $hit" so they can remain on their lazy arses and let others do the monetary contributing on their behalf.
I am long past tempering my opinions on the present pinheads who are "leading" this country!!!!(into the ground)
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« Reply #18 on: September 04, 2018, 08:31:57 AM »

I seriously never noticed a Not my President movement when Obama got elected, or an Impeach!!! before he was even sworn in. Don't recall any conservatives threatening to move to Canada. I suppose statistically there were a few, just like flat earthers and "there's a spaceship behind the cometeers".

I put an IMPEACH OBAMA sticker on my Valk the morning after the election, but I'll never shy away from admitting to being a bit different in many ways... Wink


Serk the impeach Obama sticker you sent me is covered up by a Deport Obama one  cooldude

I don't put political stickers on my vehicles.  Because I don't want my paint keyed or seats slashed. Exactly what I expect from the left - irresponsible, cowardly vandalism.  However I do have an NRA sticker on Jade on the lower windshield - sort of a "don't F with it" warning I guess but it might inspire a teenager to slit my Russell seat.  If that happens, that will just make money for me because I'll get paid the full replacement cost by insurance but the actual cost will be less.  Plus I'll get to modify the embroidery to add a color I wish I had put on the original Sew-art graphic.

I would prefer to add bumper stickers to Pious cars with "Elect Obama" stickers on them.  Though I haven't done that and it's a bit late to buy and have on hand such stickers.
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« Reply #19 on: September 04, 2018, 10:18:24 AM »

Interesting article about the USA and Saudi Arabia relationship:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2016-05-30/the-untold-story-behind-saudi-arabia-s-41-year-u-s-debt-secret

Quote: "The basic framework was strikingly simple. The U.S. would buy oil from Saudi Arabia and provide the kingdom military aid and equipment. In return, the Saudis would plow billions of their petrodollar revenue back into Treasuries and finance America’s spending.".

And: "With a handful of Treasury and Federal Reserve officials, the secret was kept for more than four decades—until now. In response to a Freedom-of-Information-Act request submitted by Bloomberg News, the Treasury broke out Saudi Arabia’s holdings for the first time this month after “concluding that it was consistent with transparency and the law to disclose the data,” according to spokeswoman Whitney Smith. The $117 billion trove makes the kingdom one of America’s largest foreign creditors.".

And this is why USA won't lift a finger against Saudi Arabia, ignoring whatever crap they do.
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« Reply #20 on: September 04, 2018, 10:36:37 AM »

Interesting article about the USA and Saudi Arabia relationship:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2016-05-30/the-untold-story-behind-saudi-arabia-s-41-year-u-s-debt-secret

Quote: "The basic framework was strikingly simple. The U.S. would buy oil from Saudi Arabia and provide the kingdom military aid and equipment. In return, the Saudis would plow billions of their petrodollar revenue back into Treasuries and finance America’s spending.".

And: "With a handful of Treasury and Federal Reserve officials, the secret was kept for more than four decades—until now. In response to a Freedom-of-Information-Act request submitted by Bloomberg News, the Treasury broke out Saudi Arabia’s holdings for the first time this month after “concluding that it was consistent with transparency and the law to disclose the data,” according to spokeswoman Whitney Smith. The $117 billion trove makes the kingdom one of America’s largest foreign creditors.".

And this is why USA won't lift a finger against Saudi Arabia, ignoring whatever poop they do.
Interesting, thanks. If we owe anything, we need to make payments. As for William E Simon via WESRAY Corp., we're taking a weasel the size of a horse.
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