Camp David Accords 40 years later

[The emperor has no clothes]

It's rather strange becoming old. You see stuff on TV and the newspaper about history that you were around for. Say what you will about Jimmy Carter, he was and is a good man. He fought to bring a little bit of peace to a land which has been at war for most of history itself.

[bagelboy]

Too honest a person. Something that never works in politics!

[Jess Tolbirt]

I had good income when he was Pres. also,

[Oss]

I remember hours on line for gas

incredibly high interest rates

a failed effort in Iran

but yeah there was camp david

unfortunately the agenda is still the wholesale destruction of one of the countries to the accord so other than the peace with egypt itself it was a failure.  We have more hope with the Saudi's being scared $hitless of iran and the loss of yemen and the other gulf states to radical islam

YMMV

[Wizzard]

Jimmy Carter might have been a good man but was one of the worst presidents ever. And the economy showed it. Nearly bankrupted me. 18% interest rates

[Gavin_Sons]

Hmmmm very interesting.
Don't you know his work in the white house is not what matters. Only his life outside and the way he portrayed himself?

[Robert]

To bad they never moved the embassy, but at least the leader we have now sets the bar in more ways than one.






An interesting article written at the time brings back real memories of Carters presidency. Most men have good points and bad points of things they do the ratio of what they do and intent is the judge of good or bad person. Or you can be a good person just bad at your job and in the case if effects everyone.   

https://www.brookings.edu/opinions/jimmy-carter-why-he-failed/
Editor’s Note: Following is a column Mr. Hess wrote in June 1978, when Jimmy Carter was just midway through his term. We think it’s worth reprinting. It shows how early Carter’s flaws became apparent to eagle-eyed pundits like Mr. Hess.

[The emperor has no clothes]

 

[Gryphon Rider]

This thread:

meathead:  In spite of everything else, remember this one awesome thing Jimmy Carter accomplished!

everyone else:  Yeah, he's a good man, but look at all these failures we blame on him.

Robert:  And President Trump's wife is the hottest First Lady ever!

meatheat: 

[The emperor has no clothes]

This thread:

meathead:  In spite of everything else, remember this one awesome thing Jimmy Carter accomplished!

everyone else:  Yeah, he's a good man, but look at all these failures we blame on him.

Robert:  And President Trump's wife is the hottest First Lady ever!

meatheat: 

Pretty well sums it up 

[Wizzard]

Just like most other political threads. No surprise here. Move on yall

[DirtyDan]

I was born in 1971

Made sign with my crayons

Reagan 1980

I knew........... early

Dan

[The emperor has no clothes]

Just like most other political threads. No surprise here. Move on yall

Randy, it really wasn't a political thread. It was meant as a look back as a historic event. As I remember at the time,  nobody thought a treaty would be possible between Egypt and Israel. It was really due to Carter, Brezinski, (sp.) planning and research into the 2 men that pulled it off. And the courage of Sadat and Beghin to come together.

[Serk]

I was born in 1971

Made sign with my crayons

Reagan 1980

I knew........... early

Dan

Also born in 1971...

I remember on the bus headed to YMCA Summer Camp when I was in elementary school having a sing along to the Oscar Meyer song: Jimmy Carter Has A Way Of *$#@'ing Up The USA...
(In lieu of Oscar Meyer Has A Way With B-O-L-O-G-N-A)

(We'd switch to "Messing Up" whenever an adult was in ear shot of course.)

[baldo]

I was born in 1971

Made sign with my crayons

Reagan 1980

I knew........... early

Dan

Also born in 1971...

I remember on the bus headed to YMCA Summer Camp when I was in elementary school having a sing along to the Oscar Meyer song: Jimmy Carter Has A Way Of *$#@'ing Up The USA...
(In lieu of Oscar Meyer Has A Way With B-O-L-O-G-N-A)

(We'd switch to "Messing Up" whenever an adult was in ear shot of course.)

You were in elementary school and were singing political jingles?.....

dork

[Robert]

This thread:

meathead:  In spite of everything else, remember this one awesome thing Jimmy Carter accomplished!

everyone else:  Yeah, he's a good man, but look at all these failures we blame on him.

Robert:  And President Trump's wife is the hottest First Lady ever!

meatheat: 

The point?

I also think you got to focused on Melania and dont read


but I said they did not move the embassy and included a link to the time of Carters presidency that pretty much sums things up for me and does not get the post deleted.

I guess we see what we want to see, which I say is the exact point of the whole post and opinions offered. Since each person  saw and heard what Carter did and yet the variance of opinions is diverse. Someone is not seeing the whole picture either since the presidencies both past and present have much more significance like this picture of Melania that may have been altered. If it has not then its a real statement. Sometimes seeing we do not see.

[Wizzard]

Just like most other political threads. No surprise here. Move on yall

Randy, it really wasn't a political thread. It was meant as a look back as a historic event. As I remember at the time,  nobody thought a treaty would be possible between Egypt and Israel. It was really due to Carter, Brezinski, (sp.) planning and research into the 2 men that pulled it off. And the courage of Sadat and Beghin to come together.

My comment was not at you. I just had no love for Carter at all. He set my life back a few years.

[baldo]

I remember hours on line for gas

incredibly high interest rates

a failed effort in Iran

but yeah there was camp david

unfortunately the agenda is still the wholesale destruction of one of the countries to the accord so other than the peace with egypt itself it was a failure.  We have more hope with the Saudi's being scared $hitless of iran and the loss of yemen and the other gulf states to radical islam

YMMV

point/counterpoint

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/paul-a-london/inflation-the-reagan-myth_b_3418868.html

Yeah, I know...

[carolinarider09]

When I saw this post I was thinking the same thing.  "The Camp David Accord"  I had forgotten all about it.  Like it never happened.

And yes, just for the record, I did vote for Jimmy Carter.   He was an ex-submarine Captain.  I served on SSBN 599 (Blue) for three years.  Had two great captains.  Even played chess with my last one while on patrol.  So I was biased by my experience.  I was wrong.

So why bring it up now.  It failed.  There is no information I can find that says what we have today in the middle east is any better than it was then.  Its been 40 years and still no peace (well 70 years since the State or Israel was proclaimed a nation). 

[Willow]

Yeah, I know...

And that, my friend, is highly unlikely.   

[Gryphon Rider]

This thread:

meathead:  In spite of everything else, remember this one awesome thing Jimmy Carter accomplished!

everyone else:  Yeah, he's a good man, but look at all these failures we blame on him.

Robert:  And President Trump's wife is the hottest First Lady ever!

meatheat:  

The point?

I also think you got to focused on Melania and dont read


but I said they did not move the embassy and included a link to the time of Carters presidency that pretty much sums things up for me and does not get the post deleted.

I guess we see what we want to see, which I say is the exact point of the whole post and opinions offered. Since each person  saw and heard what Carter did and yet the variance of opinions is diverse. Someone is not seeing the whole picture either since the presidencies both past and present have much more significance like this picture of Melania that may have been altered. If it has not then its a real statement. Sometimes seeing we do not see.

No, I did read your post.  Your stuff after your ogling-at-Melania picture is summarized in the "everyone else" part.

[f6john]

Every time I hear the name Jimmy Carter I also remember Paul Volker. I liked Carter as a man but the economics of the time was horrendous for the manager of a lumber yard that depended on housing starts to make money.

[Robert]

No, I did read your post.  Your stuff after your ogling-at-Melania picture is summarized in the "everyone else" part.

Its a shame you don't see the true significance of the picture, while Melina is very pretty there is something more beautiful in the picture if you only knew.

[¿spoom]

I had good income when he was Pres. also,

Carter had a great income, also. Can't beat high dollar peanut grower subsidies. Then there's health insurance for life and all sorts of perks, even though he as was (until Obama) the worst President in my lifetime. Carter was and is a very nice man and a great humanitarian, but a horrible, impotent, leader. I'd rather have someone as personally flawed as FDR Kennedy, Clinton, Trump, etc. as long as they lead the country well.

[Gryphon Rider]

No, I did read your post.  Your stuff after your ogling-at-Melania picture is summarized in the "everyone else" part.

Its a shame you don't see the true significance of the picture, while Melina is very pretty there is something more beautiful in the picture if you only knew.

I'll admit, I often find your posts enigmatic.

[¿spoom]

When I saw this post I was thinking the same thing.  "The Camp David Accord"  I had forgotten all about it.  Like it never happened.

And yes, just for the record, I did vote for Jimmy Carter.   He was an ex-submarine Captain.  I served on SSBN 599 (Blue) for three years.  Had two great captains.  Even played chess with my last one while on patrol.  So I was biased by my experience.  I was wrong.

So why bring it up now.  It failed.  There is no information I can find that says what we have today in the middle east is any better than it was then.  Its been 40 years and still no peace (well 70 years since the State or Israel was proclaimed a nation). 

Amen on all counts, I'd bet that the middle east would be in better shape if it had just been fought out. No sense fighting off puking for decades when you know it's inevitable. Once a country declares you have no right to exist and they're going to destroy you-get it over with.

[The emperor has no clothes]

I guess this thread is pretty indicative of where we are at in our society today. 


I was watching the news this morning and a story came on about it being the 40th anniversary. It was a historic treaty that stopped 2 countries from killing each other. How that is not viewed as a good thing is beyond me.

[Serk]

How that is not viewed as a good thing is beyond me.

Because it's overall success at bringing peace to the region has been almost as successful as the Munich Agreement of 1938.

[Robert]

How that is not viewed as a good thing is beyond me.

Because it's overall success at bringing peace to the region has been almost as successful as the Munich Agreement of 1938.

You forgot the Iran deal also.

[The emperor has no clothes]

How that is not viewed as a good thing is beyond me.

Because it's overall success at bringing peace to the region has been almost as successful as the Munich Agreement of 1938.

I don't think anybody said it brought peace to the region. It did end killing between Egypt and Israel. At the time that was almost inconceivable.

[The emperor has no clothes]

Are we so callous that we can't even give the man his due on this one thing ?

[Wizzard]

if you can do that for Trump,, I suppose I can do that for Carter. There.. diplomacy. 

[Willow]

I guess this thread is pretty indicative of where we are at in our society today. 
...

There are only a little over a dozen people commenting in this thread.  Please don't let that small number set your view of our society.  

Jimmy Carter lived as a good man and achieved many worthwhile accomplishments.  Whether it was the times or Jimmy himself, his presidency did not shine as it might have.

The Wizzard is wise.  What we see in others we need to be careful is not a reflection of what is in ourselves.   

[MAD6Gun]

Are we so callous that we can't even give the man his due on this one thing ?

Hmmm. I could say the same thing about you and Trump huh...? You never give him any credit for the good he does.....

[DirtyDan]

History footnote

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_hostage_crisis

Dan

[Gryphon Rider]

No, I did read your post.  Your stuff after your ogling-at-Melania picture is summarized in the "everyone else" part.

Its a shame you don't see the true significance of the picture, while Melina is very pretty there is something more beautiful in the picture if you only knew.

I figured it out!  It's her joy in being out in public without her husband!

[3fan4life]

Jimmy Carter was and is a good man.

Unfortunately, he was not a good President.

The peace treaty between Egypt and Israel was a good thing and it was Carter's one success.

It as any peace treaty in that region was always on shaky ground.


However, It did not die a natural death.

It was Obama's foreign policy mistakes that caused it to unravel.  

[The emperor has no clothes]

Are we so callous that we can't even give the man his due on this one thing ?

Hmmm. I could say the same thing about you and Trump huh...? You never give him any credit for the good he does.....

Wrong again. 

http://www.valkyrieforum.com/bbs/index.php/topic,99632.0.html

[..]

I rest my case your honor. 

[MAD6Gun]

Are we so callous that we can't even give the man his due on this one thing ?

Hmmm. I could say the same thing about you and Trump huh...? You never give him any credit for the good he does.....

Wrong again. 

http://www.valkyrieforum.com/bbs/index.php/topic,99632.0.html

Well even a blind squirrel finds a nut every now and then......