Oss
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« on: October 24, 2018, 02:13:09 PM » |
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If you don't know where your going any road will take you there George Harrison
When you come to the fork in the road, take it Yogi Berra (Don't send it to me C.O.D.)
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« Reply #1 on: October 24, 2018, 02:59:18 PM » |
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Judicial Watch • “Elaborately Planned” Caravan Brings Human Traffickers & Violent Gangbangers to Guatemala https://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2018/10/elaborately-planned-caravan-brings-human-traffickers-violent-gangbangers-to-guatemala/?utm_source=t.co&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=corruption%20chroniclesThe migrant caravan marching northbound through Central America is an “elaborately planned” movement that’s benefiting human smugglers and bringing disturbing numbers of violent gang members and other criminal elements through Guatemala, according to government sources in the capital city. “MS-13 gang members have been detained and coyotes (human smugglers) are joining the march with clients who pay to get smuggled into the United States,” a Guatemalan official told Judicial Watch. People from Asian countries waiting to get smuggled into the U.S. through Central America are also integrating with poor Hondurans in the caravan, a high-level Guatemalan government source confirmed. Among them are nationals of Bangladesh, a south Asian Islamic country that’s well known as a recruiting ground for terrorist groups such as ISIS and Al-Qaeda Indian Subcontinent (AQIS). “There are lots of dirty businesses associated with this,” Guatemalan authorities told Judicial Watch. “There’s lots of human trafficking.” "It has been a delicate and complicated task, Guatemalan officials say, because the caravan is a very organized movement that has been well orchestrated. There are rest points along the route with food, water and shelter for the migrants as well as medical care in some areas. “It’s very strategic and extremely organized,” a Guatemalan government source told Judicial Watch. " During an afternoon interview at the National Palace, President Morales said that Guatemala has absorbed the huge cost of mobilizing police and military to return thousands of people to Honduras. He would like the United States to help him find the organizers of the caravan so they can face legal consequences
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« Reply #2 on: November 01, 2018, 07:39:39 AM » |
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So when the first shot is fired, by someone wanting this to escalate for political reasons, and several people are killed, what would you do if you were in this caravan?
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Oss
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« Reply #3 on: November 01, 2018, 07:42:23 AM » |
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I wouldn't be there in the first place
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If you don't know where your going any road will take you there George Harrison
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« Reply #4 on: November 01, 2018, 08:15:23 AM » |
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I wouldn't be there in the first place
I'd be at the back ready to skedaddle if things go south.
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« Reply #5 on: November 01, 2018, 08:49:53 AM » |
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So when the first shot is fired, by someone wanting this to escalate for political reasons, and several people are killed, what would you do if you were in this caravan?
Get on CNN and lie about it.
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« Reply #6 on: November 01, 2018, 09:07:36 AM » |
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I'm guessing the troops are going to have explicit orders to not use deadly force. No one and especially not Trump, wants this to be another Kent State. That would be a major political backfire. I would think tear gas might be the maximum force allowed.
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JimmyG
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« Reply #7 on: November 01, 2018, 09:14:41 AM » |
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Oss, not a personal question, but what would you do if you were a person caught up in this invasion, with the mentality of this mob, being paid to be a part of this. You see Juan get his head exploded, then several more falling down dead,etc. What would you do? Run like hell, rush the border thinking you will make it through? I've read comments on forums from civilians living close to where this is happening. Some have got their rifles ready to take out invaders. Do these people realize they are about to knock down a hornets nest? Is this too far fetched to actually be a possibility? I'm just trying to get in the head of a foreign invader that thinks he has the right to wave his flag, burn ours and come out ahead in this. Smells to high heaven to me, but of course we already know this, well some do, others seem to have their heads up their asses. 
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« Reply #8 on: November 01, 2018, 09:21:42 AM » |
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My fear is that someone has thought this out, and has got to get the fireworks started when there is a showdown. If you think troops don't have live rounds ready to lock and load, you obviously have not been in combat, nor anything resembling what is happening. The military may not issue bullets and give orders to stand down and use tear gas only, but I will guarantee you, most of those troops have mags loaded, ready to pop in their poppers and defend themselves if someone starts shooting. I hope it does not come to that. Everyone loses then 
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« Reply #9 on: November 01, 2018, 09:52:58 AM » |
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Tear gas will NOT work. It didnt at the southern Mexico Border .
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« Reply #10 on: November 01, 2018, 10:30:14 AM » |
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Tear gas and water cannons. If that fails, bring out the weapon of last resort. Loud speakers playing the brown noise from South Park: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9mB0OGWkYE
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« Reply #11 on: November 01, 2018, 11:11:09 AM » |
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« Reply #12 on: November 01, 2018, 11:27:48 AM » |
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Those crowd dispersing rubber bullets? I've also seen video demos of the rifle launched nets and the glue crap the WILL slow you down and some foam "stuff" that sets up quickly making walking danged near impossible. Yeah-don't look like "friendlies" approaching OUR border. Should they INSIST on pushin their luck I hope they meet with "things" that WILL dissuade them. RIDE SAFE.
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« Reply #13 on: November 01, 2018, 01:27:45 PM » |
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Sonic nausea?   If Mexico lets this happen, there should be MAJOR consequences. Being a principle enabler is a co-conspirator in this misconduct.
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« Reply #14 on: November 02, 2018, 03:34:05 AM » |
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LOLOL...that reaches several levels of WRONG!
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« Reply #15 on: November 02, 2018, 04:47:03 AM » |
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CNN will be right at the gates along with another hundred News Teams. Whether it gets violent, or they show children crying, or old people hungry. It's not going to fair well for the GOP who has no compassion for these people, and the bleeding heart Dems will condemn anything Trump does. I believe most people in the US are against the caravans, but it's different when the News shows all the horrible scenes on TV. Hopefully, none of this happens before elections next week. Swing voters might just pull Democrat!
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« Reply #16 on: November 02, 2018, 04:51:26 AM » |
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No compassion is because they are NOT refugees fleeing violence they ARE invaders pure and simple. Saw video clips of interviews with many that said they were just coming here for jobs. Mexico should not allow them to cross their country undocumented in the first place.
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« Reply #17 on: November 02, 2018, 05:05:03 AM » |
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I think the shock factor of this will be lost no matter what happens since most and I stress most already know its for political reasons. But I would say that if anyone gets hurt there should be a investigation to who underwrites this and prosecute them for the damages.
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« Reply #18 on: November 02, 2018, 05:08:24 AM » |
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CNN will be right at the gates along with another hundred News Teams. Whether it gets violent, or they show children crying, or old people hungry. It's not going to fair well for the GOP who has no compassion for these people, and the bleeding heart Dems will condemn anything Trump does. I believe most people in the US are against the caravans, but it's different when the News shows all the horrible scenes on TV. Hopefully, none of this happens before elections next week. Swing voters might just pull Democrat!
all news teams should be arrested if they show up.
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« Reply #19 on: November 02, 2018, 06:18:26 AM » |
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On the news today, Trump has authorized deadly force if they begin throwing rocks at our troops.
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« Reply #20 on: November 02, 2018, 06:28:37 AM » |
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On the news today, Trump has authorized deadly force if they begin throwing rocks at our troops.
Hell yeah  rightfully so
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« Reply #21 on: November 02, 2018, 06:57:43 AM » |
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