Cowardly depraved shooting at a synagogue today

[Oss]

I am praying for those killed and injured including the brave first responders

In our country, what kind of animal enters a house of worship on the sabbath, during the service itself and opens fire?

Hope my friends in Pittsburgh were not in attendance at the service.

If you pray, please do so for these victims

[Jess from VA]

Is crazy the new normal? 

I mean really crazy.

I'm sorry the shooter survived the incident.  Many have the common decency to do themselves before arrest.

All churches and churchgoers today should have a plan.... I mean a real plan with active security.

Just like schools, and households, and workplaces and......

[Valker]

I am praying for those killed and injured including the brave first responders

In our country, what kind of animal enters a house of worship on the sabbath, during the service itself and opens fire?

Hope my friends in Pittsburgh were not in attendance at the service.

If you pray, please do so for these victims

So sorry and mad that this happened. My church, here in this small town, has a rather large armed response (prevention) team. Have to get through about a dozen folks before entering the main room where all the old ladies are carrying. (Texas). It's a crazy time we live in (said of nearly every society at one time or another).

[Patrick]

Its a shame this crap goes on, there are some sick people in this world. Shamefully, the progressives are already blaming Trump.

[Bighead]

Its a shame this crap goes on, there are some sick people in this world. Shamefully, the progressives are already blaming Trump.

For what

[da prez]

  The wife read that Trump wants the death penalty for gun violence of this type.
                 H U R  A H  TRUMP.  Let the bleeding hearts cry.

                                  da prez

[..]

Anti Trumper if Alex Jones web site is to be believed


https://www.infowars.com/synagogue-shooter-disliked-trump-posted-i-did-not-vote-for-him/

[..]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6323781/Active-shooter-Pittsburgh-synagogue.html

[Bighead]

I like that Trump called for a quick exicution. I am all for it, anyone that does this deserves no trial just a bullet to the head. It will save lots of tax payer dollars, and the defense attorney claiming he didnt know what he was doing. It would go a long way to deter such actions.

[Patrick]

Its a shame this crap goes on, there are some sick people in this world. Shamefully, the progressives are already blaming Trump.

For what

Some blame Trump for everything. Apparently they don't need a reason.

[Medina]

I'm sorry the shooter survived the incident. 

+1
no, I dont care why he did it, now that pos has become a burden of the state.

[Robert]

Unfortunately this is the new norm, most churches have armed guards or at very least congregates with guns. The doors are locked during service and someone is always at the door to act as security. I'm sorry this happened its pretty disgusting.

About the only thing in this whole thing I am thankful for is he did not like Trump. If he did the media would have had a field day with this.

Trump made some good responses.

Trump, When asked if there should have been more gun control, he said no, in fact, they should have had guns for protection.

If they had protection inside, the results would have been far better. If they had some kind of protection inside the temple, maybe it could have been a very much different situation,” Trump said. “They didn’t have protection. They had a maniac walk in and they didn’t have any protection.”

He added: "If there was an armed guard inside the temple they would have been able to stop him."

[larue]

Heart breaking to see this kind of evil acts  still exists today, my heart goes out to the families and loved ones of  all those who lost their lives and those injured and to all those affected by this. May this world be a better place

[Oss]

I have no idea why so many Jews, especially the women, are anti gun, especially in the northeast.  The old testament does not teach to turn the other cheek but to protect your loved ones.  

The lessons of the Kristallnacht and what happened afterward are lost on an entire generation of holocaust survivors children and most of the survivors I know that are still alive reject gun owership. The ones that went to Israel and served with Haganah and Irgun being the exceptions. ( Ruth Westheimer by the way was a world class sniper)

All I know is if you put a frog in water then turn on the stove the frog doesnt jump out and dies.  Americans are not frogs thank goodness and hopefully we have enough sheepdogs to keep the wolves at bay

The shooter needs to be in Gitmo as a war criminal as if he claims to be a Nazi we are still obliged to treat him as one before we execute him.

In NY you cant carry a concealed gun in any place of education and churches and shuls qualify as they all have religious schools.  You need to carry written permission to be on premises with the firearm
or I believe it is a felony.

I will be bringing this up at our shul and see if I can drum up interest in a mens and ladies gun safety club so members can have a carry to services card on them if they wish to carry to services. Valker send me a PM how they do it at your church

[Willow]

Unfortunately this is the new norm, most churches have armed guards or at very least congregates with guns. ...

Most?  I guess I am pleased to live in my part of the country rather than your part.

Although I am not totally against the idea it is certainly the exception around here.  Worship gathering shootings, despite the media attention they get, are still statistically miniscule.

I have mixed emotions on formal armed guards at worship services although I am strongly against prohibition against armed attendees.  Most here will not necessarily agree with me but I believe that if the worshipers have faith they are worshiping the Almighty Creator their seeking protection will be more on Him than on their own armed guards.  Now if He should direct them to hire armed guards ...   

[old2soon]

             Evan-they already interviewed his lawyer and the lawyer stated this turd is devoid of feelings as we know feelings. His Mother? or step Mother? stated he used a LOT of steroids. Already looking fer an excuse too git this low life sumbitch off. Here in Missouri I carry EVERYWERE-including Church. Already talked to our Armed Response team and let em Know when I'm in Church I'm packing. Evan-sorry for your loss My Friend. I'll Pray for those affected and healing for All. I also PRAY you help get an Armed Response Team started where you attend Worship. While I guess Church burnings and Church shooting are not new the "media" gits word to us mucho quicker these days. Again-Prayers up for ALL affected by this Tragedy. RIDE SAFE.

[..]

NPR commentator wondering if the lunatic was

"anti immigrant" "but that is yet to be proved" "I do wonder if this has anything to do with the upcoming mid terms".

They just can't help themselves.

A bit like many making the statement the Florida lunatic was left leaning BEFORE ANY FACTS ARE KNOWN.

All should be ashamed.

[MAD6Gun]

 Years ago our pastor was getting into guns so my brother and I took him to our range. We had a great time shooting. He tried several of our firearms. Afterwards my brother asked him what Jesus would think of self defence. He said "Jesus would not want you to be a victim". That has stuck with me. With all the violence that has been directed at all religions in the last few years you can't let yourself be a victim.  I carry to church. You just never know these days.....

[cookiedough]

I worked briefly as a temp a few years ago with an optics company for firearms.  They had a sign on the glass door basically informing all who enter that firearms are on premises and several dozen employees had handguns readily seen in their holsters.  Even local police officers came in with their firearms out of their holsters trying out different sight optics on their handguns.  It was a weird, yet safe, feeling I had.

I say if people are legally allowed and sane enough to shoot responsibly even though accidental shootings can still happen easily in a crowded place such as a church gathering,  more power to them.  I just would not want to have an innocent bystander shot though by an armed legally carrying citizen which could happen as well.  It is a double edge sword so to speak.  Am sure some people in church and other places would make them feel uncomfortable going to church, etc. if they knew people were carrying handguns as well.  

Too bad the police officers who shot wounding the psycho could not have just put one close up bullet to his head or chest ending it right there and then when he was crawling surrending to the officers like the coward he is.     I bet some officers were tempted to do that, I know I would.

[Medina]

I say if people are legally allowed and sane enough to shoot responsibly

texting kills, each and every day.
I built custom stocks for 25 years, so I'm PRO gun. Hugely so.

They issue drivers licenses to thousands each day, and what i see on the roads put way more at risk. 
I'm more likely to get snuffed RIDING to church, than some nutter shooting the place up
I'm old enough to remember guns IN school..air rifle shooting, teacher who brought in guns to show after class (great way to keep kids focused actually) taught gun safety...no clue whats going on these days.

Even less understanding why media et al wont skip a beat saying 'this proves all guns should be banned'.....and yet....back to that cold fact on texting.
26% of all car crashes  involved cell phone use.
At least 9 people are killed every day.
More than 1,000 people are injured every day.
NHTSA says 42+% of teens ADMIT they have texted while driving—and texting and driving is the leading cause of death in teens, 80% of the deaths are texting related

so....guns...gotta ban 'em...right?

[Alpha Dog]

I have no idea why so many Jews, especially the women, are anti gun, especially in the northeast.  The old testament does not teach to turn the other cheek but to protect your loved ones.  

The lessons of the Kristallnacht and what happened afterward are lost on an entire generation of holocaust survivors children and most of the survivors I know that are still alive reject gun owership. The ones that went to Israel and served with Haganah and Irgun being the exceptions. ( Ruth Westheimer by the way was a world class sniper)

All I know is if you put a frog in water then turn on the stove the frog doesnt jump out and dies.  Americans are not frogs thank goodness and hopefully we have enough sheepdogs to keep the wolves at bay

The shooter needs to be in Gitmo as a war criminal as if he claims to be a Nazi we are still obliged to treat him as one before we execute him.

In NY you cant carry a concealed gun in any place of education and churches and shuls qualify as they all have religious schools.  You need to carry written permission to be on premises with the firearm
or I believe it is a felony.

I will be bringing this up at our shul and see if I can drum up interest in a mens and ladies gun safety club so members can have a carry to services card on them if they wish to carry to services. Valker send me a PM how they do it at your church

I just heard the same statements about a week or so ago from Dr. Michael Savage who is on late night on WJR talk radio Detroit.  Why are they so anti gun and a big majority vote Democrats even though through out history so much evil has been directed towards them?  To me it makes no sense and it never did with my former Jewish Parents in Law.

[Gavin_Sons]

I worked briefly as a temp a few years ago with an optics company for firearms.  They had a sign on the glass door basically informing all who enter that firearms are on premises and several dozen employees had handguns readily seen in their holsters.  Even local police officers came in with their firearms out of their holsters trying out different sight optics on their handguns.  It was a weird, yet safe, feeling I had.

I say if people are legally allowed and sane enough to shoot responsibly even though accidental shootings can still happen easily in a crowded place such as a church gathering,  more power to them.  I just would not want to have an innocent bystander shot though by an armed legally carrying citizen which could happen as well.  It is a double edge sword so to speak.  Am sure some people in church and other places would make them feel uncomfortable going to church, etc. if they knew people were carrying handguns as well.  

Too bad the police officers who shot wounding the psycho could not have just put one close up bullet to his head or chest ending it right there and then when he was crawling surrending to the officers like the coward he is.     I bet some officers were tempted to do that, I know I would.

The company I work for is not a gun or optic manufacturer but we have build robot cells for several manufacturers. Our owner has a son who is a cop in Indianapolis and several years ago took 20 of us known gun guys to extensive training classes for 6 months, 2 days a week. After passing we got to be security detail at work and carry our weapons at all times. We still have training once a month and if we want to carry a differen gun we have to qualify with it. We had 2 people quit because of weapons in our building but quickly replaced them. We now have 68 employees and 25 of us carry regularly.  I keep hinting to our owner that we need some Wilson Combat 45's. Of course provided by the company.

[Gryphon Rider]

Years ago our pastor was getting into guns so my brother and I took him to our range. We had a great time shooting. He tried several of our firearms. Afterwards my brother asked him what Jesus would think of self defence. He said "Jesus would not want you to be a victim". That has stuck with me. With all the violence that has been directed at all religions in the last few years you can't let yourself be a victim.  I carry to church. You just never know these days.....

I think you pastor would be hard-pressed to back up his response with scripture.  Rather, a willingness to die for one's faith in Christ is essential to be His true follower.

Matthew 16:24-25 (ESV):  Then Jesus told his disciples, “If anyone would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross and follow me. For whoever would save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for my sake will find it.”

It seems the great American motto, "In God we trust" has become, in practise, "In guns we trust."  Any determined, relatively intelligent person could come up with a way to wreak deadly havoc within any synagogue or church even if there were an armed guard or multiple armed congregants.

God allows and prevents tragedies from occurring, natural or man-made, according to His own, often mysterious, purpose.

Proverbs 16:33 (NLT):  We may throw the dice, but the Lord determines how they fall.

Psalm 33:13-22 (ESV):

The Lord looks down from heaven;
    he sees all the children of man;
from where he sits enthroned he looks out
    on all the inhabitants of the earth,
he who fashions the hearts of them all
    and observes all their deeds.
The king is not saved by his great army;
    a warrior is not delivered by his great strength.
The war horse is a false hope for salvation,
    and by its great might it cannot rescue.

Behold, the eye of the Lord is on those who fear him,
    on those who hope in his steadfast love,
that he may deliver their soul from death
    and keep them alive in famine.
Our soul waits for the Lord;
    he is our help and our shield.
For our heart is glad in him,
    because we trust in his holy name.
Let your steadfast love, O Lord, be upon us,
    even as we hope in you.

[Gavin_Sons]

Years ago our pastor was getting into guns so my brother and I took him to our range. We had a great time shooting. He tried several of our firearms. Afterwards my brother asked him what Jesus would think of self defence. He said "Jesus would not want you to be a victim". That has stuck with me. With all the violence that has been directed at all religions in the last few years you can't let yourself be a victim.  I carry to church. You just never know these days.....

I think you pastor would be hard-pressed to back up his response with scripture.  Rather, a willingness to die for one's faith in Christ is essential to be His true follower.

Matthew 16:24-25 (ESV):  Then Jesus told his disciples, “If anyone would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross and follow me. For whoever would save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for my sake will find it.”

It seems the great American motto, "In God we trust" has become, in practise, "In guns we trust."  Any determined, relatively intelligent person could come up with a way to wreak deadly havoc within any synagogue or church even if there were an armed guard or multiple armed congregants.

God allows and prevents tragedies from occurring, natural or man-made, according to His own, often mysterious, purpose.

Proverbs 16:33 (NLT):  We may throw the dice, but the Lord determines how they fall.

Psalm 33:13-22 (ESV):

The Lord looks down from heaven;
    he sees all the children of man;
from where he sits enthroned he looks out
    on all the inhabitants of the earth,
he who fashions the hearts of them all
    and observes all their deeds.
The king is not saved by his great army;
    a warrior is not delivered by his great strength.
The war horse is a false hope for salvation,
    and by its great might it cannot rescue.

Behold, the eye of the Lord is on those who fear him,
    on those who hope in his steadfast love,
that he may deliver their soul from death
    and keep them alive in famine.
Our soul waits for the Lord;
    he is our help and our shield.
For our heart is glad in him,
    because we trust in his holy name.
Let your steadfast love, O Lord, be upon us,
    even as we hope in you.

Oh yeah, here we go again. Your pastor is wrong because ..........................
Who are you to say you are better than any other man of the cloth? Just because you interpret the bible differently than someone else does not make the other person wrong. You may be wrong.  I think you are very wrong when you say God allows these tragedies. Why would he allow 11 Jews to be slain? Why would he allow little kids to be murdered? 

[Valker]

Years ago our pastor was getting into guns so my brother and I took him to our range. We had a great time shooting. He tried several of our firearms. Afterwards my brother asked him what Jesus would think of self defence. He said "Jesus would not want you to be a victim". That has stuck with me. With all the violence that has been directed at all religions in the last few years you can't let yourself be a victim.  I carry to church. You just never know these days.....

I think you pastor would be hard-pressed to back up his response with scripture.  Rather, a willingness to die for one's faith in Christ is essential to be His true follower.

Matthew 16:24-25 (ESV):  Then Jesus told his disciples, “If anyone would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross and follow me. For whoever would save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for my sake will find it.”

It seems the great American motto, "In God we trust" has become, in practise, "In guns we trust."  Any determined, relatively intelligent person could come up with a way to wreak deadly havoc within any synagogue or church even if there were an armed guard or multiple armed congregants.

God allows and prevents tragedies from occurring, natural or man-made, according to His own, often mysterious, purpose.

Proverbs 16:33 (NLT):  We may throw the dice, but the Lord determines how they fall.

Psalm 33:13-22 (ESV):

The Lord looks down from heaven;
    he sees all the children of man;
from where he sits enthroned he looks out
    on all the inhabitants of the earth,
he who fashions the hearts of them all
    and observes all their deeds.
The king is not saved by his great army;
    a warrior is not delivered by his great strength.
The war horse is a false hope for salvation,
    and by its great might it cannot rescue.

Behold, the eye of the Lord is on those who fear him,
    on those who hope in his steadfast love,
that he may deliver their soul from death
    and keep them alive in famine.
Our soul waits for the Lord;
    he is our help and our shield.
For our heart is glad in him,
    because we trust in his holy name.
Let your steadfast love, O Lord, be upon us,
    even as we hope in you.

Several things:
1) A gun is a tool for us to use or not, just like using crosswalks, seatbelts, helmets, etc. helps us not be injured or killed.
2) God of Scripture does not cause things to happen or not happen to us. If he causes or allows evil things to happen, He is a lousy God. The world was given to Satan a long time ago: Jesus referred to him as “the ruler of this world” (John 12:31), and Paul calls him “the prince of the power of the air” (Ephesians 2:2) and “the god of this world” (2 Corinthians 4:4). John makes a further distinction when he says: “We know that we are of God, and the whole world is in the power of the evil one” (1 John 5:19).
3) We retain our free will to do evil, good, or nothing at all. The shooter chose to do evil, as have many in the past. The police chose to do good, as would have anyone who carried that day.

[Robert]

Maybe Im not getting this but if your wife was going to be raped, you would throw your hands up and say its Gods will? Or your friend or someone you know gets terminally ill and you would also just say, its Gods will?

Willow said it was may be Gods will to either save or not save a church from a shooter, that is not how the God I know works.

[Willow]

...
Willow said it was may be Gods will to either save or not save a church from a shooter, that is not how the God I know works.

Acknowledged.  We don't seem to know the same God.  I've no reason to question my understanding of His Word.  I hope you're as confident in yours.

There's a conflict in believing one serves the Almighty but also believing things happen that are not either directed or allowed by that Almighty One.

[Robert]

Acknowledged.  We don't seem to know the same God.  I've no reason to question my understanding of His Word.  I hope you're as confident in yours.

There's a conflict in believing one serves the Almighty but also believing things happen that are not either directed or allowed by that Almighty One.

I would like to see the scripture that says God wants us to be victims.

[Oss]

If a man come to kill you wake up early and kill him first  The Talmud   is a line that I think Clint Eastwood used in many movies, such as Outlaw Josie Wales.

The issue of guns in church and shul is one being discussed in almost every place of worship now.

Sad that that has to be a fact of life in this century and in this country

Finally would the gentleman from Alberta and the one from Delray you kindly refrain from evangelism on my thread.  If you and your congregation wish to pray for the families who lost loved ones, or for peace and sanity to be restored in our land go ahead.

[Forge]

In my Synagogue, our Rabbi had said that if you have the license for it, you may carry your handgun as long as it is concealed. I'm in San Antonio, Texas. Our Modern Orthodox Synagogue has a mix of liberal and conservative individuals. Thankfully, we have a good percentage of conservatives, of which I am one.

 A few years ago, things were revised when we got a day school. Now you have to be on the approved list to carry. We have a system in place now that you have to qualify to be on the "concealed security" list. That includes qualifying with much more precision than what is required as the state minimum to get the permit.

 As typical, we have many that are opposed to the idea of having guns around, but that is why our guns are concealed.

[Forge]

Years ago our pastor was getting into guns so my brother and I took him to our range. We had a great time shooting. He tried several of our firearms. Afterwards my brother asked him what Jesus would think of self defence. He said "Jesus would not want you to be a victim". That has stuck with me. With all the violence that has been directed at all religions in the last few years you can't let yourself be a victim.  I carry to church. You just never know these days.....

It seems the great American motto, "In God we trust" has become, in practise, "In guns we trust."  Any determined, relatively intelligent person could come up with a way to wreak deadly havoc within any synagogue or church even if there were an armed guard or multiple armed congregants.

God allows and prevents tragedies from occurring, natural or man-made, according to His own, often mysterious, purpose.

They can wreak havoc, but we can stop it sooner here in my country because of our rights.

G-d has never said in my scriptures or in yours that you should let jackasses come in and kill multiple people while you stand around doing nothing. Isn't there an obligation to try and save human life in your religion? In my religious and personal beliefs, the preservation of human life takes precedent. If someone comes in with a bat, sword, gun, whatever, I am going to do what I can to protect my family and friends. Thankfully, in my Synagogue, I would have backup.

[Gryphon Rider]

Oh yeah, here we go again. Your pastor is wrong because ..........................
Who are you to say you are better than any other man of the cloth? Just because you interpret the bible differently than someone else does not make the other person wrong. You may be wrong.  I think you are very wrong when you say God allows these tragedies. Why would he allow 11 Jews to be slain? Why would he allow little kids to be murdered? 

I never said I was better than anyone.  I simply conveyed what the Bible says, i.e. what God Himself says, about the issue at hand.  If someone disagrees with the clear words of Scripture, it's not a matter of interpretation, it's a matter of belief.

Of course God allows these tragedies.  If we believe that tragic events happen without God allowing them to happen, we declare God to be powerless.  To demand justification for every or any tragic thing that God allows to happen puts us in the position of judging God according to our standards, and proclaims ourselves to be His peers.

Yes, God allowed those 11 Jews to be slain in the midst of their worship.  Yes, he also allowed many of His prophets, John the Baptist, and most of Jesus' apostles to be executed.

God allows us to live and die experiencing the consequences of living as fallen people in a fallen world.  This includes death by innumerable means: natural, man-made, and homicide.

God also expects us to live righteous lives in spite of our fallen nature/world.  This includes caring for our fellow man, abstaining from evil, taking action to prevent evil, and serving God-ordained authority in the administration of temporal justice.  Where our faith fails is when we make the assumption that our destiny is entirely up to us, and that any means is justified to try to ensure our own security, regardless of intended or unintended consequences to our fellow man, and without depending on the grace of God, without acknowledging that "for those who love God all things work together for good, for those who are called according to his purpose. (Romans 8:28 ESV)"

What does "In God We Trust" mean, when you only trust Him when things are going the way you expect they should go?

I'll end with God's words to Job, the man God allowed Satan to afflict in spite of Job's demonstrated righteousness (Job 40 ESV):

“Shall a faultfinder contend with the Almighty?
    He who argues with God, let him answer it.”

Then Job answered the Lord and said:
“Behold, I am of small account; what shall I answer you?
    I lay my hand on my mouth.
I have spoken once, and I will not answer;
    twice, but I will proceed no further.”

Then the Lord answered Job out of the whirlwind and said:
“Dress for action like a man;
    I will question you, and you make it known to me.
Will you even put me in the wrong?
    Will you condemn me that you may be in the right?
Have you an arm like God,
    and can you thunder with a voice like his?”

Oss, I didn't wish to offend you by responding to someone who supposed Jesus had an opinion that contradicted what He actually said.  The fact of the matter is that people act on their ideas about who God is and what Got values and expects of us.  I realize that you believe that Jesus' words are the words of a man, not of God.  I'll refrain from further discussion in this thread.

[Robert]

The idea that God can either save us from a situation or allow it and man doesn't have a say is ridiculous. But in the most important aspect, salvation, its man that ultimately with God brings other men to salvation. If we have no say in our safety then why would we have a say in mens salvation?


                                                   I will end with a joke of sorts

A very religious man was once caught in rising floodwaters. He climbed onto the roof of his house and trusted God to rescue him. A neighbor came by in a canoe and said, “The waters will soon be above your house. Hop in and we’ll paddle to safety.”

“No thanks” replied the religious man. “I’ve prayed to God and I’m sure he will save me”

A short time later the police came by in a boat. “The waters will soon be above your house. Hop in and we’ll take you to safety.”

“No thanks” replied the religious man. “I’ve prayed to God and I’m sure he will save me”

A little time later a rescue services helicopter hovered overhead, let down a rope ladder and said. “The waters will soon be above your house. Climb the ladder and we’ll fly you to safety.”

“No thanks” replied the religious man. “I’ve prayed to God and I’m sure he will save me”

All this time the floodwaters continued to rise, until soon they reached above the roof and the religious man drowned. When he arrived at heaven he demanded an audience with God. Ushered into God’s throne room he said, “Lord, why am I here in heaven? I prayed for you to save me, I trusted you to save me from that flood.”

“Yes you did my child” replied the Lord. “And I sent you a canoe, a boat and a helicopter. But you never got in.”

[Valker]

(A)Of course God allows these tragedies.  (B)If we believe that tragic events happen without God allowing them to happen, we declare God to be powerless.  (C)To demand justification for every or any tragic thing that God allows to happen puts us in the position of judging God according to our standards, and proclaims ourselves to be His peers.
(D)Yes, God allowed those 11 Jews to be slain in the midst of their worship.  Yes, he also allowed many of His prophets, John the Baptist, and most of Jesus' apostles to be executed.
God allows us to live and die experiencing the consequences of living as fallen people in a fallen world.  This includes death by innumerable means: natural, man-made, and homicide.

A couple of things, again. (A) If 'allows' just means that He doesn't stop them but He can and chooses not too, then He is evil like a father who sees his child about to step in front of a moving car and just watches. (B) If we believe that God just chooses not to stop tragic events, then we declare Him to be cruel. (C) To demand anything of God puts in the position of Him being our "Genie". (D). Again, if you are insinuating that God chose to allow this event-you have a mean, cruel, vindictive god. Satan comes to kill, steal, and destroy. To attribute these qualities to God is to defile Him.
I'm out of this discussion.
We OBVIOUSLY serve two very different gods. You just keep yours, and I'll just keep mine.