Attention NY landlords

[dinosnake]

It’s obviously everyone else’s fault. It sounds like you’ve given up and want to paint a broad brush against people that have worked all their lives to get what they currently own.

That's not the question.  The POINT is that you believe for, and vote for, a system style that you believe will only suit YOUR interests.  The replies given to others by certain types of people usually show a lack of empathy to other possibilities other than their own.  

For example, I am personally doing just fine.  Yet that does not mean that everyone else is that fortunate and may not need help, in a system where help is being consciously removed to appease those who have theirs.

In yet another example: one of those younger people I mentioned I know from marriage association is a recently divorced mother.  The husband broke up the marriage after the child, saying he believed she wasn't holding up her end because she worked less whilst taking care of the house plus the new child.  He believed nothing should have changed in their lives just because the baby came.

Masters in Communications.  Can't find a job.  Had to move back home in order to just survive.  

Another young college associate?  Graduated in Art with computer tech minor.  Almost enlisted in the Army, at the time it was the only way he could literally see putting food in his mouth, because any jobs out there couldn't make any ends ever meet.

You've got yours.  GOOD FOR FREAKING YOU.

[baldo]

Shame on you for taking the side of gov't over the people who are the earners and investors who pay the taxes and provide the jobs and dwellings to people that look to take advantage at every turn and the gov't who supports them.

Who is John Galt?

Wasn't he a character on The Wire? If I remember correctly, he was murdered for testifying to a gang shooting.

[Skinhead]

[quYou are very wrong in your first paragraph.  I have many friends much older than myself.  I am 33 and have good friends in their 60's and 70's. I have never felt like they speak at me and not with me.

Indeed.  I had many personal customers, much, much older than myself, who I considered like friends and they always spoke to me as equals.  But, then again, I was the technician doing practically 'magic' things with black boxes, way past their personal experience level.

But most people have people that they consider true "friends", are mostly closer to their own age.  We all do this.  However I'm married to someone 18 years younger, and therefore the vast majority of people in my life are much younger than I.  Lots and lots of tales of woe, let me tell you.  Add in my own experiences around here and you get to see how truly broken things have become, and that 'evil government!' thing is still other PEOPLE doing things for their own benefits regardless of how much hurt it might bring...to other people.

And then the Millennials get flack, being in a broken system that they did NOT create.  Given flack by some of the most entitled people who live, pulling no punches.  They expect everything to work for THEM, damn everyone else.  The dictionary definition of entitlement.

Your experiences and those of your friends are the result of where you live and what the residents there have allowed, both politically and in their children.  I grew up in Pittsburgh, one of 7 siblings, my Father (May he RIP) worked 3 jobs to support the family, my mother stayed at home and raised us until the youngest was old enough to stay home alone.  We weren't spoiled as kids, no allowances, if you wanted anything beyond the basics you needed, you found a job and earned enough money to buy it yourself.  My Father told us, he couldn't afford to send us all to college, and wouldn't pick who got to go, so if it was college you wanted, you paid for it.  Of us 7, 4 have college degrees, including a MD, Art major, engineer, and CPA.  My brother is a machinist, he struggled for a while after high school, worked as a Laborer, mason, then member of the painters union.  When the economy took a dump, unemployment until a state program provided the machinist training.  We all learned that if you wanted something, you earned it, if you can't afford it, you do without and save until you can.  

Today it is instant gratification, or mommy and daddy giving it to you, or buying on credit.  Madison Avenue paints these unrealistic pictures of how life can be if you buy this, or you MUST have a new car, whatever.  Electing politicians, that pass laws to save the planet and reduce global warming, only increase the cost of these items.  Look what has happened to the cost of vehicles over the last 10 years.  I retired from one of the big 3 and I drive a 2003 and 2010 MY vehicle, because the new ones aren't worth what they cost.

I can see where a kid that goes to college on student loans, with out working and saving, and then buys a new car on credit, and wants to buy a house can't afford to live, but there are other ways to do it.  They may not be as appealing, but it can be done.  In my opinion, this isn't being taught to the youth where you live.  And continuously re-electing the career  politicians that tax and spend, and waste money on problems they created and refuse to fix, well if you continue to do the same thing over and over, the results will not change.  I think you need to move out of that hell hole they created.

Sorry for the rant.

[Pete]

Different Opinion:

Every generation tells a similar tale of woe, similar in terms of how hard and difficult and challenging it was and is.

Sure it was difficult and hard and challenging for every one, some made it and some did not, some worked hard an some did not.

For those that fail, our sympathy (but keep trying) for those that succeed congratulations.

While the challenges may have been different for each generation, challenges were there for every generation.

Those challenges are growing up, getting an education and job, raising a family, establishing friendships, taking care of family, being a responsible citizen and contributing to the greater good of the community and other unlisted challenges.

Get with the program, do it, or sit down and give up and complain about it. It is your choice, usually successful folks make the right choices and put forth effort, others just complain.

Every generation faces a different set of challenges, but all generations face challenges and none have been easy.

[Serk]

That's not the question.  The POINT is that you believe for, and vote for, a system style that you believe will only suit YOUR interests.  The replies given to others by certain types of people usually show a lack of empathy to other possibilities other than their own.  

This is where you are 100% wrong.

Most of us on the right or libertarian side do not lack empathy, we do not want a system that only supports our interests.

We simply believe the best way to help the most number of people to prosper is diametrically opposed to the system those on the left are trying to implement.

That we disagree as to how best to help people doesn't mean we don't want to see people succeed.

[..]

Howabout knowing what your educational "skills" will lead to in the way of employment BEFORE getting a certain type of degree?

Instead of complaining after the degree is tucked in your portfolio.

[dinosnake]

Howabout knowing what your educational "skills" will lead to in the way of employment BEFORE getting a certain type of degree?

Instead of complaining after the degree is tucked in your portfolio.

Life doesn't work that way.  Are you in FANTASY LAND?? 

Are YOU working in the field that you saw yourself in when you were growing up?  In school?

Not many people are.  In my younger years I worked, as a high-end stereo salesman, with a guy with a chemical engineering degree.  Went on to open up his own high end audio shop.

So please don't go telling us you walked to school through snow, barefoot, uphill, both ways.  I'm not young and have heard it all before.

[..]

Howabout knowing what your educational "skills" will lead to in the way of employment BEFORE getting a certain type of degree?

Instead of complaining after the degree is tucked in your portfolio.

Life doesn't work that way.  Are you in FANTASY LAND?? 

Are YOU working in the field that you saw yourself in when you were growing up?  In school?

Not many people are.  In my younger years I worked, as a high-end stereo salesman, with a guy with a chemical engineering degree.  Went on to open up his own high end audio shop.

So please don't go telling us you walked to school through snow, barefoot, uphill, both ways.  I'm not young and have heard it all before.

Retired

Degree in Economics which enabled me to have many different employment opportunities.

My question is still valid regarding some choices for degree education no matter your  annoyance.

[9Ball]

Howabout knowing what your educational "skills" will lead to in the way of employment BEFORE getting a certain type of degree?

Instead of complaining after the degree is tucked in your portfolio.

..and bitching about repaying student loans after filling out all the applications, cashing the checks, and spending the money.

Then many want to reneg on the deal they signed and expect to have the loans forgiven.  Someone has to pay...how about the ones that used the money.

This a serious pet peeve of mine.  I had to repay my loans.  After all, with the low interest rates they are the best deal going.

[9Ball]

It’s obviously everyone else’s fault. It sounds like you’ve given up and want to paint a broad brush against people that have worked all their lives to get what they currently own.

That's not the question.  The POINT is that you believe for, and vote for, a system style that you believe will only suit YOUR interests.  The replies given to others by certain types of people usually show a lack of empathy to other possibilities other than their own.  

For example, I am personally doing just fine.  Yet that does not mean that everyone else is that fortunate and may not need help, in a system where help is being consciously removed to appease those who have theirs.

In yet another example: one of those younger people I mentioned I know from marriage association is a recently divorced mother.  The husband broke up the marriage after the child, saying he believed she wasn't holding up her end because she worked less whilst taking care of the house plus the new child.  He believed nothing should have changed in their lives just because the baby came.

Masters in Communications.  Can't find a job.  Had to move back home in order to just survive.  

Another young college associate?  Graduated in Art with computer tech minor.  Almost enlisted in the Army, at the time it was the only way he could literally see putting food in his mouth, because any jobs out there couldn't make any ends ever meet.

You've got yours.  GOOD FOR FREAKING YOU.

Yes, good for me.  Over 46 years of work, shift work, weekends, overtime.  Started at $3/ hour which  was above minimum wage at the time.

School at night while raising a family to allow for getting a better job or promotion.

Good for freaking me.

[dinosnake]

This is where you are 100% wrong.

Most of us on the right or libertarian side do not lack empathy, we do not want a system that only supports our interests.

We simply believe the best way to help the most number of people to prosper is diametrically opposed to the system those on the left are trying to implement.

That we disagree as to how best to help people doesn't mean we don't want to see people succeed.

It's true, some ideas on the left can't work out.  However, saying this, you can note a difference in many left versus right ideals:

Many ideas proposed by left ideologs and elites are to help other people.  Regardless of being right or wrong.  If someone is in true need, they believe help should be there.

Many ideas proposed by right ideologs and elites are to help themselves.  Regardless of being right or wrong.  Through this method, a rising tide lifts all boats, they see the people in need eventually seeing a benefit.

So glad that 35 years of the latter ideas have worked SO well.

[dinosnake]

Howabout knowing what your educational "skills" will lead to in the way of employment BEFORE getting a certain type of degree?

Instead of complaining after the degree is tucked in your portfolio.

..and bitching about repaying student loans after filling out all the applications, cashing the checks, and spending the money.

Then many want to reneg on the deal they signed and expect to have the loans forgiven.  Someone has to pay...how about the ones that used the money.

This a serious pet peeve of mine.  I had to repay my loans.  After all, with the low interest rates they are the best deal going.

Hmm.  Maybe because they are expected to pay the $2,000 or more a month rent, plus the student loans, plus other costs of living, yet do so on the starting wages that some people believe they have an obligation to be at??  Yet demanding the schooling, and associated costs?

Again, just out of touch with what these people have to deal with.  All everyone can come up with is platitudes about what it was like 40+ years ago for themselves, why can't you do what I did??!

Out.
Of.
Touch.

In my own home town, 65 miles outside the city and an almost 2 hour commute, which I did because I loved my town, rents have gone from $600 average to $1300 in 13 years. And that's 65 miles out.  Rents have gone up even more the closer you get.  Who can afford it?  Why are 30-somethings still house sharing or staying home for as long as possible?

Find out more instead of sounding like your parents.

[..]

Howabout knowing what your educational "skills" will lead to in the way of employment BEFORE getting a certain type of degree?

Instead of complaining after the degree is tucked in your portfolio.

..and bitching about repaying student loans after filling out all the applications, cashing the checks, and spending the money.

Then many want to reneg on the deal they signed and expect to have the loans forgiven.  Someone has to pay...how about the ones that used the money.

This a serious pet peeve of mine.  I had to repay my loans.  After all, with the low interest rates they are the best deal going.

Hmm.  Maybe because they are expected to pay the $2,000 or more a month rent, plus the student loans, plus other costs of living, yet do so on the starting wages that some people believe they have an obligation to be at??  Yet demanding the schooling, and associated costs?

Again, just out of touch with what these people have to deal with.  All everyone can come up with is platitudes about what it was like 40+ years ago for themselves, why can't you do what I did??!

Out.
Of.
Touch.

We all make  choices.

You attacking us with absolutely NO KNOWLEDGE of our  personal histories illuminates your ignorance.

This appears to be your normal modus operandi when you surface on the forum.

[9Ball]

good luck to you.. I’m glad I raised successful grown-ups and not entitled kids.  It’s good to have expectations but choices have consequences.  We all have to live within our means and that’s as true today as it was decades ago.

[Skinhead]

Howabout knowing what your educational "skills" will lead to in the way of employment BEFORE getting a certain type of degree?

Instead of complaining after the degree is tucked in your portfolio.

..and bitching about repaying student loans after filling out all the applications, cashing the checks, and spending the money.

Then many want to reneg on the deal they signed and expect to have the loans forgiven.  Someone has to pay...how about the ones that used the money.

This a serious pet peeve of mine.  I had to repay my loans.  After all, with the low interest rates they are the best deal going.

Hmm.  Maybe because they are expected to pay the $2,000 or more a month rent, plus the student loans, plus other costs of living, yet do so on the starting wages that some people believe they have an obligation to be at??  Yet demanding the schooling, and associated costs?

Again, just out of touch with what these people have to deal with.  All everyone can come up with is platitudes about what it was like 40+ years ago for themselves, why can't you do what I did??!

Out.
Of.
Touch.

In my own home town, 65 miles outside the city and an almost 2 hour commute, which I did because I loved my town, rents have gone from $600 average to $1300 in 13 years. And that's 65 miles out.  Rents have gone up even more the closer you get.  Who can afford it?  Why are 30-somethings still house sharing or staying home for as long as possible?

Find out more instead of sounding like your parents.

MOVE FOR PHUCK'S SAKE!   I would love to live in a tropical paradise in an ocean front home, but can't afford it.  So I live where  I can afford it.  It is not a difficult concept.

[Psychotic Bovine]

Howabout knowing what your educational "skills" will lead to in the way of employment BEFORE getting a certain type of degree?

Instead of complaining after the degree is tucked in your portfolio.

..and bitching about repaying student loans after filling out all the applications, cashing the checks, and spending the money.

Then many want to reneg on the deal they signed and expect to have the loans forgiven.  Someone has to pay...how about the ones that used the money.

This a serious pet peeve of mine.  I had to repay my loans.  After all, with the low interest rates they are the best deal going.

Hmm.  Maybe because they are expected to pay the $2,000 or more a month rent, plus the student loans, plus other costs of living, yet do so on the starting wages that some people believe they have an obligation to be at??  Yet demanding the schooling, and associated costs?

Again, just out of touch with what these people have to deal with.  All everyone can come up with is platitudes about what it was like 40+ years ago for themselves, why can't you do what I did??!

Out.
Of.
Touch.

In my own home town, 65 miles outside the city and an almost 2 hour commute, which I did because I loved my town, rents have gone from $600 average to $1300 in 13 years. And that's 65 miles out.  Rents have gone up even more the closer you get.  Who can afford it?  Why are 30-somethings still house sharing or staying home for as long as possible?

Find out more instead of sounding like your parents.

MOVE FOR PHUCK'S SAKE!   I would love to live in a tropical paradise in an ocean front home, but can't afford it.  So I live where  I can afford it.  It is not a difficult concept.

You know what I love about the US?  We have 50 states with every climate that anyone would want.  We have states that tax the heck out of people and we have states that don't.  We have states that let us own nearly any firearm we want, and we have states that restrict everything.  What makes things even better?  No one forces us to live in a state where rent is high.  Or freedom is low.  Don't like your situation in your state?  There are 49 others that might be better or worse.  Deal with it.
I live in the suburbs in a 900 square foot house that is paid off.  That is my choice.  I could choose to work for nothing more than to afford a $2000 mortgage payment in a 4000 square foot house, but I choose to live in a modest house so I can afford the other things that make me happy (within my means).
I certainly don't complain about the inherent "unfairness" of the world. 

[dinosnake]

We all make  choices.

True.

You attacking us with absolutely NO KNOWLEDGE of our  personal histories illuminates your ignorance.

This appears to be your normal modus operandi when you surface on the forum.

Hmm. Yeah, yes, I can attack often.

Let's get this straight: all one needs to do is to constantly read this forum and find numerous people making absolutist declarations of "truth" as they see it.  Yet these very same "experts" didn't even know that the average rent in NYC was declared at $3,200 as of 2016, nor did they know about $5,000 average rents / starting housing prices at a minimum of $1mil in San Francisco.

And when your version of the "truth" is called out,  you get your knickers in a knot.

I'm not your child. I'm not your wife. If you're looking for irrevocable fealty to your beliefs, getting an approval on opinions and statements without much feedback, you've come to the wrong guy.  This board serves the example of exactly what I have mentioned - surrounding yourself with similar individuals, in a constant positive-feedback loop - but I'm not here to backpat others.

Your history is your own.  You are very correct in that.  The problem is that you expect others to be able to benefit in life, operate as per, your own history.  The world has dramatically changed yet people still cling to the past as if it'll all work today, bescause it worked yesterday.

If only.

Welcome to the 21st Century.  It sounds like you'll never make it here.

[DirtyDan]

New York and San Francisco

Nothing further

Dan

[The emperor has no clothes]

Same sex marriage is legal in Georgia ?

[Serk]

Same sex marriage is legal in Georgia ?

Georgia, the state, yes, thanks to SCOTUS case Obergefell v. Hodges forcing same sex marriage recognition at the federal level.

Georgia, the nation, no.

Not sure what that's got to do with the price of tea in China (Are we still allowed to use that colloquialism or is it offensive now too?) but I aim to be helpful...

[3W-lonerider]

i very rarely jump on a thread like this but i just can't resist this one.
i started out working on farms making 25 dollars a week while i was in school.
i then went to work in a shoe factory loading trucks, ( anybody remember Kinney Shoes ) making 2.10 an hour to start.
could'nt afford an apartment so i stayed at home..
quit that job after i wrecked my car and could'nt afford to buy another one.
started work in an apple plant peeling apples to be canned since i could get a ride to work and moved 50 miles from home into my own 1 bedroom apartment. at 50 dollars a week. still could'nt afford a car till about 2 years after that.
after that i had several jobs in sawmills and various other jobs.
always knew i could better myself and got a job at a garbage company working on garbage trucks. if you've ever smelled one of those that had to sit for 3 days with a full load in it because it could'nt be unloaded you'll never forget it.
wanted more money so i started driving truck.
worked my way up to 15.00 dollars and hour by the time i was in my 30's.
got tired of the rat race and also lost my cdl because of vision issues. and went to work, working on heavy equipment.
i now make enough to have a comfortable living.
i also acquired around  80,000 dollars in tools that i had to buy to do my job.
my point being. i worked a long time to get to where i'm at. and moved around plenty to better my living situation.
i had a nephew live with me for awhile and i seen todays generation threw him, he wanted everything i had but did'nt want to put in the years to acquire it, he wanted it now.
so dino, i do sympathize  with you're situation, BUT.when the older generation flat out tells you that you need to put in your time. we mean it.
we all started out where your at. but we worked ourselves out of the hole..
it does'nt happen over night.
as far as people needing help. i have no problem with that.
but heres the big BUT again.
don't put yourself in a hole then expect someone else to bail you out.
i'm damn proud of what i have accomplished over my lifetime.
and i honestly believe that if i woulda been bailed out every time i fell on my face i never woulda had the gumpsion to better myself.

[The emperor has no clothes]

i then went to work in a shoe factory loading trucks, ( anybody remember Kinney Shoes ) making 2.10 an hour to start.

I started out at $2.10 an hour cleaning up a meat dept. after school. Must have been the minimum wage at the time I guess. After a year I went up to $2.35 , thought I was rich. 

[Serk]

i then went to work in a shoe factory loading trucks, ( anybody remember Kinney Shoes ) making 2.10 an hour to start.

I started out at $2.10 an hour cleaning up a meat dept. after school. Must have been the minimum wage at the time I guess. After a year I went up to $2.35 , thought I was rich. 

$3.35 an hour rounding up carts at the grocery store parking lot and bagging up groceries and taking 'em to customer's cars...

[Wizzard]

My Dad paid us .25 cents an hour to pull weeds out of beans.
First real job i built grain bins for 2.50 an hour in 71. I thought I was making a fortune.

[Bighead]

Got my first job at twelve at a local gas station sweeping floors and stocking drink coolersand pumping gas after school. Havent been unemployed since. However had two or three many times after I first got married to be able to buy a bag of dried beans some corn meal and onions.  Just so we could have beans and cornbread for supper  never ask anyone for anything that I didnt EARN.  Dont want anything I havent earned. Was very tough for several years. But that is OK dont owe anyone for anything.

[Willow]

The talk about how hopeless the younger generation's chances are got me to thinking.  I did hear some time back a statement that the generation now growing up would be the first to generally gain less wealth than their parents.

It's not universal.  

I have eight children.  The youngest is now twenty-eight years of age.

Four have college degrees, one advanced.  Six are buying their own houses in middle class environments.

One is a bank manager.  One is a Wesleyan minister.  One is a counselor working with families whose children have been separated (fostered).  One works in public affairs.  One is an English tutor (teacher) in South Korea. One works as an office person in a medical business.  One is a bartender.  One is a receptionist, office worker, in a car dealership.

Two are struggling financially.

I don't live in NYC or San Francisco so I don't claim the situation isn't as dinosnake describes there but it isn't universal.

As for me I dropped out of high school to join the United States Marine Corps.  The Corps taught and trained me in a specialty that required very high scoring in tests during boot camp.  I was disappointed as that's not why I joined or what I expected.  Eleven years later I joined the civilian workforce continuing in that same field.  It's been good to me.  I'm recently retired and positioned fairly well.  I vote for what I think is good for the country.  

About that high school dropout status, the Marine Corps did send me to school for two years resulting in an associates degree with about the number of semester hours normally applied to a bachelors degree.

I am more conservative, socially and financially, that you could possibly imagine.  That's not necessarily true for all my children.    

[Serk]

I have eight children.  The youngest is now twenty-eight years of age.

One of my greatest hopes is that my measly 4 kids are marginally as successful as your 8 are...

...and I don't just mean that financially, although that helps...

[Jess from VA]

The stories I always enjoy hearing about are the minority who end up going into business for themselves, one way or the other.  After a 33 year career as a company man for the 3d-4th largest US steel producer, my father always believed he could have done better in his own engineering business.  He said that with a young family (wife + 3), he felt he needed to keep the stability of a company job to protect his family (health ins, pension plan, stock sharing, yada), and at some point working your way up the company ladder, you just stay.  Mom had a degree, and did a little volunteer work, but she slaved away at home with the kids for no pay at all.

My first employment at 11-14 walking around the neighborhood asking for work (lawns, windows, digging/weeding, baby sitting, anything at all), was a buck an hour, and hardly prepared me for being in business for myself.  (I had a bank account, but it was pretty comical)

I worked steel mills (and resident advisor in dorms, and law clerk) getting through school, then 3 jobs as a lawyer in 3/4 years, then was out of work again (laid off with 20).  My dad talked with me a long time about going into business for myself, and gave me enough money for a bare bones startup in a cheap storefront (I started up, but was broke the day I opened).  

For all of 1983 I was underemployed, and would not have survived at all if I didn't get on a dozen District Court appointed counsel lists for indigent defendants (mostly big and small misdemeanors, some small felonies, DUI more than anything), and otherwise did divorce, wills, contracts, small business work, criminal defense, traffic, nuts and bolts.  People with money do not come to store front law offices.  People with little to no money do.  I did no-contest divorces for $150 and a $30 filing fee.    

I could not afford a secretary, even part time, and did my own typing on an IBM Selectric typewriter (and in 20 years of schooling the only course I ever flunked out of was typing).  There was an answering machine for when I was out of the office.  I lived hand to mouth that year,  having to make enough money to keep my doors open each month first, before I was allowed to eat or pay the rent on my little ramshackle apartment.  For two of 12 months, I put my overhead on a credit card.  

By the end of the year, even though I was finally just beginning to see a pinhole of light at the end of the tunnel business-wise, I had already decided this was not for me.  I talked to the Navy, Marines and USAF, and got a direct appointment commission as an Air Force JAG lieutenant for about $16,500 (and housing and other military benefits).  That was over twice as much as I made in all of the previous 1983 with my own shingle.  (and was single)

I never again felt the urge to go in business for myself.  It takes a lot of guts and determination, and a willingness to suffer for some years before it may be worth it.

Anyone else in business for themselves?  

[Oss]

I am my own boss, 1st jobs paper route, mowing lawns, dragged that push mower all over town, worked for the school after hours helping custodian (that was a real poop job) $2 an hour was big money working on loading docks all summer and then my night job at the drive in  Where did I get my work ethic?

From my dad who worked full time went to college at night graduated 3.5 year yes thats right then worked full time went tolaw school at nite graduated 3 yrs.  It take 3 yrs day school he did it in 3 at night

I encouraged all my kids to work while in HS and  yes I offered to pay their college if all got b+ average.  They far exceeded my request and all work. 2 own homes. 1 works for amazon on AI for Amazon in Seattle  None of them has school debt and that was my pleasure. 

People who go to college just because and do not think through WHY and what they will do fall into the hole. It can be a deep hole.

We need so many skilled workers in so many areas. But one must be willing to relocate if necessary. and to learn what may be difficult

Sorry to hear of your story, but dont blame us who worked our way up and lend a hand to those on the way behind us  You dont walk in our shoes and neither do we walk in yours 

Some say glass is half full others half empty I always say I have a glass !

I have only just started my pension, but my house is now paid off. With any luck in 5 yrs I will take on an associate and sell the law practice and become a happy traveller like my idol DDT (except hope to remain married to the boss who will fly out to meet me here and there as the mood strikes us)   

I wish your family well

Oss out

[Skinhead]

We all make  choices.

True.

You attacking us with absolutely NO KNOWLEDGE of our  personal histories illuminates your ignorance.

This appears to be your normal modus operandi when you surface on the forum.

Hmm. Yeah, yes, I can attack often.

Let's get this straight: all one needs to do is to constantly read this forum and find numerous people making absolutist declarations of "truth" as they see it.  Yet these very same "experts" didn't even know that the average rent in NYC was declared at $3,200 as of 2016, nor did they know about $5,000 average rents / starting housing prices at a minimum of $1mil in San Francisco.

And when your version of the "truth" is called out,  you get your knickers in a knot.

I'm not your child. I'm not your wife. If you're looking for irrevocable fealty to your beliefs, getting an approval on opinions and statements without much feedback, you've come to the wrong guy.  This board serves the example of exactly what I have mentioned - surrounding yourself with similar individuals, in a constant positive-feedback loop - but I'm not here to backpat others.

Your history is your own.  You are very correct in that.  The problem is that you expect others to be able to benefit in life, operate as per, your own history.  The world has dramatically changed yet people still cling to the past as if it'll all work today, bescause it worked yesterday.

If only.

Welcome to the 21st Century.  It sounds like you'll never make it here.

I find your arrogance hard to believe.  YOU claim there are "experts" here that don't know what rents were in SFBA.  Some perhaps, but I would be willing to bet that MOST on this forum are well aware of the rent/housing situation and earning potential in that area.  Maybe not exact figures, but I (and I'm sure many of the other "experts" here) have been aware of the situation there for years.  And if you bothered to listen to our constant complaining about the politics/politicians in those areas, you would realize that we didn't expect things to improve there.  That is why we decided to live else where.  If things aren't to your liking, change them, either through your vote, relocation, career change, or as Chuck Noll said, "Whatever it takes."

Our history has nothing to do with your history.  We only mention it as an example of what can be done.  Just as you citing the history of those you mentioned, shows the consequences of their choices.

[Gavin_Sons]

We all make  choices.

True.

You attacking us with absolutely NO KNOWLEDGE of our  personal histories illuminates your ignorance.

This appears to be your normal modus operandi when you surface on the forum.

Hmm. Yeah, yes, I can attack often.

Let's get this straight: all one needs to do is to constantly read this forum and find numerous people making absolutist declarations of "truth" as they see it.  Yet these very same "experts" didn't even know that the average rent in NYC was declared at $3,200 as of 2016, nor did they know about $5,000 average rents / starting housing prices at a minimum of $1mil in San Francisco.

And when your version of the "truth" is called out,  you get your knickers in a knot.

I'm not your child. I'm not your wife. If you're looking for irrevocable fealty to your beliefs, getting an approval on opinions and statements without much feedback, you've come to the wrong guy.  This board serves the example of exactly what I have mentioned - surrounding yourself with similar individuals, in a constant positive-feedback loop - but I'm not here to backpat others.

Your history is your own.  You are very correct in that.  The problem is that you expect others to be able to benefit in life, operate as per, your own history.  The world has dramatically changed yet people still cling to the past as if it'll all work today, bescause it worked yesterday.

If only.

Welcome to the 21st Century.  It sounds like you'll never make it here.

I find your arrogance hard to believe.  YOU claim there are "experts" here that don't know what rents were in SFBA.  Some perhaps, but I would be willing to bet that MOST on this forum are well aware of the rent/housing situation and earning potential in that area.  Maybe not exact figures, but I (and I'm sure many of the other "experts" here) have been aware of the situation there for years.  And if you bothered to listen to our constant complaining about the politics/politicians in those areas, you would realize that we didn't expect things to improve there.  That is why we decided to live else where.  If things aren't to your liking, change them, either through your vote, relocation, career change, or as Chuck Noll said, "Whatever it takes."

Our history has nothing to do with your history.  We only mention it as an example of what can be done.  Just as you citing the history of those you mentioned, shows the consequences of their choices.

Wonder how old Dinosnake is? He sounds like a millenial, maybe his 18 years younger woman is rubbing off on him?

[3fan4life]

We all make  choices.

True.

You attacking us with absolutely NO KNOWLEDGE of our  personal histories illuminates your ignorance.

This appears to be your normal modus operandi when you surface on the forum.

Hmm. Yeah, yes, I can attack often.

Let's get this straight: all one needs to do is to constantly read this forum and find numerous people making absolutist declarations of "truth" as they see it.  Yet these very same "experts" didn't even know that the average rent in NYC was declared at $3,200 as of 2016, nor did they know about $5,000 average rents / starting housing prices at a minimum of $1mil in San Francisco.

And when your version of the "truth" is called out,  you get your knickers in a knot.

I'm not your child. I'm not your wife. If you're looking for irrevocable fealty to your beliefs, getting an approval on opinions and statements without much feedback, you've come to the wrong guy.  This board serves the example of exactly what I have mentioned - surrounding yourself with similar individuals, in a constant positive-feedback loop - but I'm not here to backpat others.

Your history is your own.  You are very correct in that.  The problem is that you expect others to be able to benefit in life, operate as per, your own history.  The world has dramatically changed yet people still cling to the past as if it'll all work today, bescause it worked yesterday.

If only.

Welcome to the 21st Century.  It sounds like you'll never make it here.

I find your arrogance hard to believe.  YOU claim there are "experts" here that don't know what rents were in SFBA.  Some perhaps, but I would be willing to bet that MOST on this forum are well aware of the rent/housing situation and earning potential in that area.  Maybe not exact figures, but I (and I'm sure many of the other "experts" here) have been aware of the situation there for years.  And if you bothered to listen to our constant complaining about the politics/politicians in those areas, you would realize that we didn't expect things to improve there.  That is why we decided to live else where.  If things aren't to your liking, change them, either through your vote, relocation, career change, or as Chuck Noll said, "Whatever it takes."

Our history has nothing to do with your history.  We only mention it as an example of what can be done.  Just as you citing the history of those you mentioned, shows the consequences of their choices.

Wonder how old Dinosnake is? He sounds like a millenial, maybe his 18 years younger woman is rubbing off on him?

If the only tool one has in their toolbox is a hammer, then every problem looks like a nail.

The cost of living in my area is much lower than San Francisco or NYC, wages are lower too but that is an inverse equation.

We live modestly but well on wages that are much lower than in any major metropolitan area.

Rent and other things cost what they do because people pay it, that's called the law of supply and demand.

I have recently found myself (not by choice) in the market for a new car.

I have refused to pay the dealers price on several so far, telling them that while I'm looking for a new car, I'm not walking.

Eventually, one of them will realize that if they want to sell me a new car that they will have to come down on the price.

[bagelboy]

Dinosnake, can't really comment on city rents. I have lived in the Catskills a long, long time. I watched my home that I built 32 years ago go from combined (school and general) taxes of $2200 to $11,500. This is primarily the result of nothing more than Politicians who feel no remorse, or feeling for the States hard working families. The city apartment problem is the result of Politicians, plain and simple. Taxes I'm sure are through the roof for landlords, and rising. Rent control keeps owners from raising rent, thereby creating much smaller margins of profit. Now I'm not saying landlords are poor by any means, however, it is business. Pure and simple! No one puts in the time, money, or risks to make smaller profits. Moving for you is an option, getting a bad tenant to leave a building, it seems from this thread, is a painstaking, horrible ordeal.

[Jess from VA]

This is primarily the result of nothing more than Politicians who feel no remorse, or feeling for the States hard working families. The city apartment problem is the result of Politicians, plain and simple.

While cities have always been more expensive than farm country, politicians have have made it far worse than ever.   

It is forced income redistribution, plan and simple.

And there is no Robin Hood to it.  Today, for the most part, it is vote buying.  Besides that, it is greed from a ruling class who loves tax and spend to satisfy their compulsion to show how smart and important and powerful they are.  And the cost of growing government (at all levels) to gynormous size.... for our own good.

Democracy it seems, is great for about 200 years, but at some point we'd probably all be better off with a benevolent dictator/leader (and fire the rest of government).  Maybe a big Cray computer could do it, if it was programmed by benevolent programmers.  Give the fed 10%, and the state 5%, and make them live with it  (maybe local taxes 1%).

 

[Serk]

LOL!!!

And now businesses are fleeing the insanity of NYC before they even get there...

https://www.businessinsider.com/amazon-cancels-new-york-hq2-2019-2

Gotta love over regulation, over taxation, and the thought of being neighbors with the sort of folks that thought electing AOC was a good idea...

[3W-lonerider]

found this in you tube about the san fran housing problem and the reason for the rent being skyhigh.
https://youtu.be/ExgxwKnH8y4

[bagelboy]

Don't see AOC lasting too long. She's as dumb as a bag of hammers, and even the Dems are starting to dislike her. She has absolutely no concept of economics, and wants people that wish to never get jobs to have a better life. Nuff said!