Police violence data

[Savago]

Pretty interesting website, collects and presents in an accessible way stats on police lethality:
https://mappingpoliceviolence.org/

According to this website, the odds of an African American being killed by the police are in average 3x bigger than of the white individuals, factoring the percentage of each ethnicity in the American population.

The killings are not evenly distributed around the country: in some cases it is 7x bigger than other locations. Nice link: https://mappingpoliceviolence.org/compare-police-departments

What is more appalling is that less than 1% of the officers were convicted.

It would be interesting to superpose those numbers with States and see if there are correlations with historical events (e.g. segregation and historical lynching of minorities), like this one: http://www.monroeworktoday.org/explore/

There is opinion and there is data. As an Engineer, I favor the later.

[Savago]

This one came as surprise to me, I had no idea that Californian police numbers were so bad:
https://mappingpoliceviolence.org/states

[Robert]

Total deaths at police hands 1168 according to your stats, 995 according to the Washington post
people have been shot and killed by police in 2018

 I am surprised too, I dont know how they do it to keep the numbers so low. Thank you all leo's everywhere. 

144 police officers died in the line of duty in 2018, reversing a one-year decline.

Some are jerks, some are good, its a job and not an easy one at that.

[ridingron]

Does it factor in crime rates percentages for the different races? No, I didn't read the article.

[Rams]

As a good friend of mine once told me, the chances of having a bad encounter with a LEO are directly related to how you treat and react to the LEO that is stopping you.   Treat them with respect and you will normally receive that back.   BTW, my friend is half and half, Hispanic and black.   

That's not to suggest there aren't bad LEOs, there are bad apples in every barrel.  It's important to remember that every encounter they have has the potential to go south.     They want to go home to their families just like we do.

Walk in another man's shoes before making some judgements.

Rams

[Jess from VA]

Black people number 13-14 percent of the population but commit a far higher percentage of all violent crime nationwide, and the majority of that crime is by young black men and in urban/city settings.  And of course, the largest police departments exist in the largest cities and urban areas.  And lets be clear, those big police departments have a high percentage of black police officers, so not all police shootings are by white policeman.

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2016/crime-in-the-u.s.-2016/topic-pages/tables/table-21

If you don't want to be shot by the police, don't commit violent crime (and don't resist arrest at apprehension).

This is oversimplification, and there are many other factors to look at, but this is the BIG fact.

That only a small percentage of policeman are convicted means that the shootings are ruled justified;  by police internal affairs investigations, grand juries, district attorneys, and juries.

Considering this, a 3X higher shooting rate by police does not look all that out of the ordinary.

There are literally hundreds of objective studies and articles to read on this subject.  (but avoid the biased and liberal driven main stream media if you want truth, rather than advocacy)

And, if you really want to look for root causes of blame, study the history of Jim Crow southern Democrats, and its metamorphosis into modern minority dependency on big government assistance in all cities and urban areas (and everywhere else), where people are induced and addicted to free government money and benefits as sure as if it was heroin, for multiple generations, in exchange for their perpetual votes on election day.  Government subsistence, poor education, no fathers in the household, and no jobs or work ethic is not a good living or life, and leads directly to violent crime (and is simply an alternative form of more benign and subtle enslavement).

And to see just how successful (sarcasm) this program has evolved, discover how many black (or minority) republicans there are in state and federal government elected positions, vs democrat.  

[Ken Tarver]

    Rams, Jess, 

[Pete]

Hummmmmm observation!

Simplification:
If they are 3 times more likely to be shot and 4 times more likely to be criminal and only 1/7 of the population -----   seems they may actually be getting the benefit of a doubt. 

Hummmmmmm

[Skinhead]

Black people number 13-14 percent of the population but commit a far higher percentage of all violent crime nationwide, and the majority of that crime is by young black men and in urban/city settings.  And of course, the largest police departments exist in the largest cities and urban areas.  And lets be clear, those big police departments have a high percentage of black police officers, so not all police shootings are by white policeman.

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2016/crime-in-the-u.s.-2016/topic-pages/tables/table-21

If you don't want to be shot by the police, don't commit violent crime (and don't resist arrest at apprehension).

This is oversimplification, and there are many other factors to look at, but this is the BIG fact.

That only a small percentage of policeman are convicted means that the shootings are ruled justified;  by police internal affairs investigations, grand juries, district attorneys, and juries.

Considering this, a 3X higher shooting rate by police does not look all that out of the ordinary.

There are literally hundreds of objective studies and articles to read on this subject.  (but avoid the biased and liberal driven main stream media if you want truth, rather than advocacy)

And, if you really want to look for root causes of blame, study the history of Jim Crow southern Democrats, and its metamorphosis into modern minority dependency on big government assistance in all cities and urban areas (and everywhere else), where people are induced and addicted to free government money and benefits as sure as if it was heroin, for multiple generations, in exchange for their perpetual votes on election day.  Government subsistence, poor education, no fathers in the household, and no jobs or work ethic is not a good living or life, and leads directly to violent crime (and is simply an alternative form of more benign and subtle enslavement).

And to see just how successful (sarcasm) this program has evolved, discover how many black (or minority) republicans there are in state and federal government elected positions, vs democrat.   

I couldn't agree more.  Nor could I have said it any better ( I tried and failed).  Awaiting the liberal response...

[Rams]

   Rams, Jess,  

 Not real sure how to interpret that response.

Rams

[DirtyDan]

    Rams, Jess, 

 Not real sure how to interpret the that response.

Rams

+ 1

Not sure either

Dan

[Bighead]

I think it may be an agreement. But not positive.

[The emperor has no clothes]

Nor could I have said it any better ( I tried and failed).  Awaiting the liberal response...

Now why would you want a response about you trying and failing ? (Just a joke, head brother) 

[Skinhead]

Nor could I have said it any better ( I tried and failed).  Awaiting the liberal response...

Now why would you want a response about you trying and failing ? (Just a joke, head brother) 

A man's got to know his limitations.  I typed up a response, but it didn't sound right so I deleted it.  Jess's was very eloquent, IMHO.

[Psychotic Bovine]

This might be the most telling of the inherent bias of these "statistics".
Two things they count as "unarmed".

* holding household/personal items that were not used to attack others (cellphone, video game controller, cane, etc.)
* holding a toy weapon (BB gun, pellet gun, air rifle, toy sword)

Police rarely have the luxury of seeing in perfect visual conditions what someone might be holding.  This website is little more than anti-police, race-bating, pot stirring, BS.

I would hazard a guess that in 99.99999% of these cases, the "victims" did something to require a police presence.  The police do not drive around looking for minorities to kill.

[Gavin_Sons]

This might be the most telling of the inherent bias of these "statistics".
Two things they count as "unarmed".

* holding household/personal items that were not used to attack others (cellphone, video game controller, cane, etc.)
* holding a toy weapon (BB gun, pellet gun, air rifle, toy sword)

Police rarely have the luxury of seeing in perfect visual conditions what someone might be holding.  This website is little more than anti-police, race-bating, pot stirring, BS.

I would hazard a guess that in 99.99999% of these cases, the "victims" did something to require a police presence.  The police do not drive around looking for minorities to kill.

What? I am shocked to learn this. All along I thought that was the job of police, drive around to find minorities to kill. Now I need to write a letter to my mayor and tell him I amnot pleased with the job the police are doing. To serve and protect  my ass 

[Hooter]

I've been there and it isn't pretty. The initial call by dispatch to you creates your attitude going into a complaint. B & E in progress, shots fired, civil complaints to name a few, put an officer in a defensive mode immediately. I preferred to save my own ass first but the job is to look out for everyone. At 2:00 in the morning you have no idea what color someone is in total darkness. Even in lighted situations if a weapon may be involved, does color matter, not at all. If it came down to me or them, I reacted in a manner to protect everyone involved. In the 28 years I did the job I did some things I didn't like to, but had to.

 I was a road Sgt, and to try and explain what goes through an officers mind while in a deadly situation is impossible for me to do. I was in that situation several times personally, and the outcome wasn't always the preferred one. I also took care of my personnel when they were involved in a "shoot don't shoot" situations as well. Bad all the way around.

There are bad officers just like any other profession. But the good outweigh the bad. To understand an officers mindset, you have to, or, had to wear the uniform. To see the crap that goes on day after day in society is unexplainable as well. Officers work in a negative environment but all have chosen the job.

I went through the Academy years ago. My D.I.s first statement was: "you are an expendable commodity. There are plenty of people to take your place if something happens". By lunch the first day I watched 4 people walk out the door. Some Officers make it for years while a bunch don't make it 1 year. They wash out, not by death. The mental strain or a certain situation tip them over. Suicide among officers is outrageous. That's a stat you rarely if ever hear of or read about.

[Psychotic Bovine]

I've been there and it isn't pretty. The initial call by dispatch to you creates your attitude going into a complaint. B & E in progress, shots fired, civil complaints to name a few, put an officer in a defensive mode immediately. I preferred to save my own ass first but the job is to look out for everyone. At 2:00 in the morning you have no idea what color someone is in total darkness. Even in lighted situations if a weapon may be involved, does color matter, not at all. If it came down to me or them, I reacted in a manner to protect everyone involved. In the 28 years I did the job I did some things I didn't like to, but had to.

 I was a road Sgt, and to try and explain what goes through an officers mind while in a deadly situation is impossible for me to do. I was in that situation several times personally, and the outcome wasn't always the preferred one. I also took care of my personnel when they were involved in a "shoot don't shoot" situations as well. Bad all the way around.

There are bad officers just like any other profession. But the good outweigh the bad. To understand an officers mindset, you have to, or, had to wear the uniform. To see the crap that goes on day after day in society is unexplainable as well. Officers work in a negative environment but all have chosen the job.

I went through the Academy years ago. My D.I.s first statement was: "you are an expendable commodity. There are plenty of people to take your place if something happens". By lunch the first day I watched 4 people walk out the door. Some Officers make it for years while a bunch don't make it 1 year. They wash out, not by death. The mental strain or a certain situation tip them over. Suicide among officers is outrageous. That's a stat you rarely if ever hear of or read about.

I can't speak from actual experience, but my best friend has been a cop for 26 years (He's now a Captain).  Many of my observations on the stresses of the job and a cop's reaction come from him.  Also, the fiction book "The New Centurions" by Joseph Wambaugh does a good job of showing one the mindset that goes into being a police officer.  I know that a lot of the situations in the book are based on actual situations faced by Wambaugh when he was doing the job.  The book was written in the 70's and is still very relevant today, maybe even more so.  It certainly seems like Wambaugh had a crystal ball when he wrote it!

[F6Dave]

Washington State University did an elaborate study on deadly force in 2014.  The results surprised the researchers.  It found the participants felt more threatened in an encounter involving a black person, but were LESS likely to fire in such a case.  It verified the results of an earlier study that found active police officers, military personnel and the general public took longer to shoot black suspects than white or Hispanic suspects.  A possible reason is that in such situations, police are concerned about the social and legal consequences.

The left views just about everything through a racial prism, yet they think everyone else is a racist.

[Hooter]

Hesitation in law enforcement will make you dead!

[Alberta Patriot]

So, what was the reason to post your "statistics" It seems like everywhere Democrats and Progressives look, they see Victims of "Something or Somebody". I get the impression that when a New Victim "Genre" shows up, all the previous Victims lose a bit of their Victim Status. It is like a demented game of snakes and ladders.
Savago...try posting something about Black on Black crime statistics in Liberal run cities like Chicago....you know...just to balance out your narratives somewhat. I'm guessing you won't, so I'll help you out:
https://www.dailywire.com/news/7441/7-statistics-you-need-know-about-black-black-crime-aaron-bandler
I have relatives who live in the Bay Area...I just shake my head after a visit with them... California...the Indoctrin-Nation

[Willow]

Statistics are interesting but they don't say anything of themselves.  It's interpretation of the stats that lead to disagreement.

Separating by race those shot by LEOs tells you nothing.  More meaningful might be those shot who had not produced a weapon.  Maybe one should include policemen shot by criminals.  Perhaps even separating by race is not as meaningful as would be separating by living environment or culture.

The number of convicted blacks in prison does not correspond to the proportion of blacks in the population at large.  It's not (my opinion) because they are black it's largely because of the environment or culture in which they were raised.  It's not because they're black.  It's because the environment in which they were raised breeds more criminal behavior.
 
Statistics tend to say whatever the reader wants to hear.  That's often not correct.