Freezing in the Dark

[F6Dave]

Here are some numbers from the 'Polar Vortex'.  At 8 AM on January 31, the power grid that supplies 13 states in the mid-Atlantic region was using 140,000 MW of electricity.  Wind supplied just 1,000 MW of that power, and solar provided none.  That was just the electricity being used, as coal, oil, and natural gas provided nearly all of the fuel for heating.  The nearly complete lack of wind is typical for such weather patterns.

How can proponents of the "New Green Deal' (like OC,A) possibly believe we can eliminate fossil fuels in the next decade?  Did they ever take any math or science classes?

[bscrive]

It's because they live in their own world where unicorns and rainbows abound. 

Sure, the items today use less energy than they did years ago, but we also have more electronics and people than ever.  It will be a long time before we can get away from the usual forms of energy.  Wishful thinking doesn't provide any energy. 

Although, we never know what is around the corner.  Someone may make a major breakthrough, but it will be surpressed for a while, as to not destroy the economy of the world.

[Alberta Patriot]

It's because they live in their own world where unicorns and rainbows abound. 

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[Gryphon Rider]

I wonder what is the range of an electric car at -28°C [-18°F] (last night's low in Calgary), with the heater fully on, compared to the same car at 20°C [68°F] when neither heat nor AC are needed?

[Alberta Patriot]

I wonder how many Teslas can be plugged in around greater Los Angeles in a midsummer heat wave before a blackout happens.
I wonder how many Tesla drivers would get frostbite in a Winnipeg "blizzard caused" traffic jam with their heaters turned off to save enough energy to get home.

Here is something interesting-It would take about 3000 sq km of wind farm land area to service New York City's average daily consumption of 11,000 megawatt hours....if the wind is blowing.    New York City is about 750 sq kms. Pray those wind farms don't replace the view on one your favorite Scenic Highways.  
A message to renewable energy pundits...wearing blinders is not a life strategy. Neither is trading the safety of bald eagles for Teslas.  

[bill-jr]

Its "AOC"

[Beardo]

I look forward to the day when electric cars have similar range to ICE and can be recharged at any "gas station" or restaurant in 10 min or less. I'm glad people are buying them and acting as guinea pigs and getting the bugs out.  (Love to own a Bollinger someday, if they ever make it to market)

But we're a LONG ways away from them being viable...or safe...in northern climates.

[¿spoom]

Here are some numbers from the 'Polar Vortex'.  At 8 AM on January 31, the power grid that supplies 13 states in the mid-Atlantic region was using 140,000 MW of electricity.  Wind supplied just 1,000 MW of that power, and solar provided none.  That was just the electricity being used, as coal, oil, and natural gas provided nearly all of the fuel for heating.  The nearly complete lack of wind is typical for such weather patterns.

How can proponents of the "New Green Deal' (like OCA) possibly believe we can eliminate fossil fuels in the next decade?  Did they ever take any math or science classes?

If you take them at the "correct" schools, no math or science is needed regarding green or climate issues, just a good memory. 

[Robert]

People have been complaining about the loss of range because of the cold in the Tesla. Supposedly the range is down 33 to 42 percent.

[cookiedough]

I wonder what is the range of an electric car at -28°C [-18°F] (last night's low in Calgary), with the heater fully on, compared to the same car at 20°C [68°F] when neither heat nor AC are needed?

not good range am sure in the cold.  My neighbor few years ago got a rental for the day got a nissan leaf (I think)  plug in vehicle to drive home 33 miles and BARELY made it home on electricity power having to plug it in all overnight to get it back to the dealership the next morning in the bitter cold.

what a joke that is!!!

[cookiedough]

I look forward to the day when electric cars have similar range to ICE and can be recharged at any "gas station" or restaurant in 10 min or less. I'm glad people are buying them and acting as guinea pigs and getting the bugs out.  (Love to own a Bollinger someday, if they ever make it to market)

But we're a LONG ways away from them being viable...or safe...in northern climates.

not really good, then in say 4-7 years almost a guarantee having to spend 2-4K and replace the batteries on electric vehicles - NO thanks!   However, my neighbor did get on his 2006 prius near 10 years and 150K miles out of their OEM batteries before having to spend 2500 on battery replacement.

[Oss]

I read a while back that one company in Israel - instead of charging batteries can swap em out in minutes. thus eliminating the major problem with electric cars, unlimited range Israel tho is a very small country

In a country with lots warm climate and sunshine it could work like the middle east or desert of africa

Of course there is also a lot to be said for owning a horse which you can run on grass, oats and hay

[Jess from VA]

Just a small step below electric cars.



Though, if you lived very close to work and stores, I could see one being a good idea for a commuter.  

[RP#62]

Here are some numbers from the 'Polar Vortex'.  At 8 AM on January 31, the power grid that supplies 13 states in the mid-Atlantic region was using 140,000 MW of electricity.  Wind supplied just 1,000 MW of that power, and solar provided none.  That was just the electricity being used, as coal, oil, and natural gas provided nearly all of the fuel for heating.  The nearly complete lack of wind is typical for such weather patterns.

How can proponents of the "New Green Deal' (like OCA) possibly believe we can eliminate fossil fuels in the next decade?  Did they ever take any math or science classes?

Anything is possible when you don't know what you're doing.

-RP