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This thread is not meant for the pros and cons of E Cycles. Its to have fun with the terminology. We ain't going to change nothing. Electric motorcycle is a oxymoron. Years ago I took some courses in avation maintenance. If a student said motor instead of engine the old Army Air Corp instructor would let them know PDQ that a motor is electric and an engine is mechanical. OK. Motorcycles have been called motorcycles since there has been motorcycles. Enginecycles just doesn't have the same ring to it. The term Electric Motorcycle is redundant. Like calling a water heater a hot water heater. Yeah. It is cold and raining here. I like the term E Cycles. I think I will patient it.  |
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« Reply #1 on: February 09, 2019, 03:41:12 PM » |
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This thread is not meant for the pros and cons of E Cycles. Its to have fun with the terminology. We ain't going to change nothing. Electric motorcycle is a oxymoron. Years ago I took some courses in avation maintenance. If a student said motor instead of engine the old Army Air Corp instructor would let them know PDQ that a motor is electric and an engine is mechanical. OK. Motorcycles have been called motorcycles since there has been motorcycles. Enginecycles just doesn't have the same ring to it. The term Electric Motorcycle is redundant. Like calling a water heater a hot water heater. Yeah. It is cold and raining here. I like the term E Cycles. I think I will patient it. Funny to think about an electric MC but to trade mark it. I think that would be what you'd want to do. You should give it a try. Best of luck!  |
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« Reply #3 on: February 09, 2019, 05:32:35 PM » |
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... Its to have fun with the terminology. We ain't going to change nothing. Electric motorcycle is a oxymoron. ... I like the term E Cycles. I think I will patient it. You'd have to be an E Cycle physician to patient it. I think that, too, would be a contradiction of terms.  |
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« Reply #4 on: February 09, 2019, 05:53:17 PM » |
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Dang Gummit. As Hoss would say. Just my luck.  |
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« Reply #5 on: February 10, 2019, 03:40:28 AM » |
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Yesterday I watched a bit of the X- Games in Aspen, CO. They showed the joke of what amounts to a snow hill climb with Harley's only, most wiped out. Harley had a huge convention type shelter for their promotions. Some snowboarders had Harley Davidson hoodies. Then the commercials where about the Livewire. So this is, I would assume, a huge part of their strategy. Promote the greatness of Harley Davidson to the young and energetic sport crowd. I would think that should this lightning or any other manufacture bring in an electric bike for less than half of Harley's price - these youngsters will vote with their pocket books. |
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« Reply #6 on: February 10, 2019, 04:34:51 AM » |
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Oh, I don't know. Harley is upholding its reputation for high prices with its typical corresponding abundance of hype. Maybe we should be patient and see if they will lower their prices. Probably not, especially if they are granted a patent. I, too, have a problem with engine vs motor. Internal combustion engines vs electric motors was what I believed. Of course, Ole' Ollie called his outboard a motor. Sorta like calling wheels 'rims'. |
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« Reply #7 on: February 10, 2019, 05:03:28 AM » |
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I'll give HD credit for good marketing over the years. They made their bikes so 'cool' in people's minds that they could charge a premium for their bikes and sell zillions in merchandise. You see lots of Harley clothing but I rarely see anyone wearing a Honda shirt or hat.
I hope HD gets the E-Cycle marketing figured out because it would help the whole industry. Here are a few numbers I saw the other day. This is the median age of motorcycle riders in the USA:
1990: 32
2009: 40
2017: 47
Median age of Sturgis attendees in 2012: 58!
Obviously this industry needs some younger riders!
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« Reply #8 on: February 10, 2019, 06:28:37 AM » |
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I'll give HD credit for good marketing over the years. They made their bikes so 'cool' in people's minds that they could charge a premium for their bikes and sell zillions in merchandise. You see lots of Harley clothing but I rarely see anyone wearing a Honda shirt or hat.
I hope HD gets the E-Cycle marketing figured out because it would help the whole industry. Here are a few numbers I saw the other day. This is the median age of motorcycle riders in the USA:
1990: 32
2009: 40
2017: 47
Median age of Sturgis attendees in 2012: 58!
Obviously this industry needs some younger riders!
younger riders: Seriously doubt it will happen unless electric bikes come about which they will and are very soon more often and are cheap enough for the younger generation to purchase. Although, the younger generation age 25 and under or so most do not see motorcycle riding as something to do nowadays. This is the case from generation to generation to generation cycle riding getting less and less frequent. When I was very young, more cycle riders took cycles to high school back in the 70s. late 1980s when I was in high school only 3-4 of us had cycles to ride. Now, my kids in high school only one who has a cycle license and rides is my kid is all. Kids nowadays play way too many video games and use that darn cell phone/social media to care or learn how to ride a motorcycle. |
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« Reply #9 on: February 10, 2019, 06:36:12 AM » |
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I will know that the battery has arrived when there is a recharge station at every seven eleven and truck stop for your 5 minute recharge. This will of course be in lock step with the resurgence of "clean coal" power generation to allow the power grid to remain online with the millions of "Plug-ins". "Crazy Eyes" AOCortez will be promoting "Green Coal"  Harley will be showcasing their new Soft Tail Road Queen with twin brushless motors offset at 45 degrees. |
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« Reply #10 on: February 10, 2019, 07:06:36 AM » |
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I will know that the battery has arrived when there is a recharge station at every seven eleven and truck stop for your 5 minute recharge. This will of course be in lock step with the resurgence of "clean coal" power generation to allow the power grid to remain online with the millions of "Plug-ins". "Crazy Eyes" AOCortez will be promoting "Green Coal" Harley will be showcasing their new Soft Tail Road Queen with twin brushless motors offset at 45 degrees. recharge statons are here already in most major cities and some larger companies to plug in your hybrid electric cars while at work, although the charging time is 8+ hours or more, but enough to get you home again I guess? If it was 5-10 minutes to recharge batteries, I think most would be driving electric. |
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« Reply #11 on: February 10, 2019, 07:32:11 AM » |
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If I could get 500 miles on a charge and a 10 minute full recharge I would own an electric vehicle. Until then I'm out. I love the instant power and torque of an electric motor but the batteries are not even close to being there yet.
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« Reply #12 on: February 10, 2019, 07:38:07 AM » |
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I guess the relevant part of my comment was "Resurgence of Clean Coal Generation"
The grid will not handle a massive surge in the use of plug-ins.
Wind/Solar is a "physics reality denying fairytale"...again...Wearing Blinders is Not a Life Strategy for the Blind Faith AOC types who willfully ignoring Common Sense and Reason.
Only Nuclear can replace Fossil, unless there is a Nicola Tesla Genius Level discovery in the wings.
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« Reply #13 on: February 10, 2019, 07:59:08 AM » |
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overheard at HD board meeting about the Livewire. "finally we have a motorcycle that doesn't leak oil."
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« Reply #14 on: February 10, 2019, 09:33:01 AM » |
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I guess the relevant part of my comment was "Resurgence of Clean Coal Generation"
The grid will not handle a massive surge in the use of plug-ins.
Wind/Solar is a "physics reality denying fairytale"...again...Wearing Blinders is Not a Life Strategy for the Blind Faith AOC types who willfully ignoring Common Sense and Reason.
Only Nuclear can replace Fossil, unless there is a Nicola Tesla Genius Level discovery in the wings.
Imagine them scaling out solar panels, enough of them to run major cities on. Imagine them scaling out wind farms, enough of them to run major cities on. All that sun that used to fall on the ground, gone. All that wind that used to blow across the land, gone... why... it would change the climate!  -Mike |
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« Reply #15 on: February 10, 2019, 03:49:48 PM » |
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I guess the relevant part of my comment was "Resurgence of Clean Coal Generation"
The grid will not handle a massive surge in the use of plug-ins.
Wind/Solar is a "physics reality denying fairytale"...again...Wearing Blinders is Not a Life Strategy for the Blind Faith AOC types who willfully ignoring Common Sense and Reason.
Only Nuclear can replace Fossil, unless there is a Nicola Tesla Genius Level discovery in the wings.
Imagine them scaling out solar panels, enough of them to run major cities on. Imagine them scaling out wind farms, enough of them to run major cities on. All that sun that used to fall on the ground, gone. All that wind that used to blow across the land, gone... why... it would change the climate! -Mike Ya... I posted a comment on another thread the other day: NY City is 750 sq kms. and uses 11,000 megawatts of energy per hour. It would take 3000 sq kms of land based turbines to keep up..."when the wind is blowing"...what happens when it's not??? I know one thing that is NOT happening when its calm...bald eagles are not dying!!! |
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« Reply #17 on: February 11, 2019, 12:40:05 AM » |
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I guess the relevant part of my comment was "Resurgence of Clean Coal Generation"
The grid will not handle a massive surge in the use of plug-ins.
Wind/Solar is a "physics reality denying fairytale"...again...Wearing Blinders is Not a Life Strategy for the Blind Faith AOC types who willfully ignoring Common Sense and Reason.
Only Nuclear can replace Fossil, unless there is a Nicola Tesla Genius Level discovery in the wings.
Imagine them scaling out solar panels, enough of them to run major cities on. Imagine them scaling out wind farms, enough of them to run major cities on. All that sun that used to fall on the ground, gone. All that wind that used to blow across the land, gone... why... it would change the climate! -Mike It's scary that there are some in government that actually believe that. |
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