A new petition Re: Montana

[Alberta Patriot]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/more-than-7000-sign-petition-to-sell-montana-to-canada-for-dollar1-trillion-to-pay-down-national-debt/ar-BBTMDkZ
I have a better idea ...you take Quebec, we get Montana...we throw in Ottawa as a signing bonus....Canada doesn't have a spare Trillion.  
Re: the beavers comment...not going there, too many SJW pitfalls. 

[Gavin_Sons]

I think everyone that signed that needs to be loaded up and shipped to a foreign country and their citizenship revoked. If it is even true.

[Serk]

...I wonder how much we could get for California, New York or Illinois...

Not only pay down the debt, but slow down the increase at the same time, win-win!

[hubcapsc]

I think everyone that signed that needs to be loaded up and shipped to a foreign country and their citizenship revoked. If it is even true.

You know how people said they'd leave the country if Trump got elected, and they still say
they'd like to leave. But they're just saying it, not doing it.

I think it is pretty funny how they'd pitch the deal to the Canadians: "just tell them there's beavers
there or something"

-Mike

[Beardo]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/more-than-7000-sign-petition-to-sell-montana-to-canada-for-dollar1-trillion-to-pay-down-national-debt/ar-BBTMDkZ
I have a better idea ...you take Quebec, we get Montana...we throw in Ottawa as a signing bonus....Canada doesn't have a spare Trillion.  
Re: the beavers comment...not going there, too many SJW pitfalls.  

Idaho and Montana for Quebec and southern Ontario. We'll throw in Vancouver for free.

[Serk]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/more-than-7000-sign-petition-to-sell-montana-to-canada-for-dollar1-trillion-to-pay-down-national-debt/ar-BBTMDkZ
I have a better idea ...you take Quebec, we get Montana...we throw in Ottawa as a signing bonus....Canada doesn't have a spare Trillion.  
Re: the beavers comment...not going there, too many SJW pitfalls.  

Idaho and Montana for Quebec and southern Ontario. We'll throw in Vancouver for free.

You really Ottawa not joke about such things... 

[baldo]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/more-than-7000-sign-petition-to-sell-montana-to-canada-for-dollar1-trillion-to-pay-down-national-debt/ar-BBTMDkZ
I have a better idea ...you take Quebec, we get Montana...we throw in Ottawa as a signing bonus....Canada doesn't have a spare Trillion.  
Re: the beavers comment...not going there, too many SJW pitfalls.  

Idaho and Montana for Quebec and southern Ontario. We'll throw in Vancouver for free.

You really Ottawa not joke about such things... 

[Serk]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/more-than-7000-sign-petition-to-sell-montana-to-canada-for-dollar1-trillion-to-pay-down-national-debt/ar-BBTMDkZ
I have a better idea ...you take Quebec, we get Montana...we throw in Ottawa as a signing bonus....Canada doesn't have a spare Trillion.  
Re: the beavers comment...not going there, too many SJW pitfalls.  

Idaho and Montana for Quebec and southern Ontario. We'll throw in Vancouver for free.

You really Ottawa not joke about such things... 

I was gonna line up some more Canadian puns, but I can see they you're having Nunavut.

If I keep it up I'll have to find a new place Toronto.

[baldo]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/more-than-7000-sign-petition-to-sell-montana-to-canada-for-dollar1-trillion-to-pay-down-national-debt/ar-BBTMDkZ
I have a better idea ...you take Quebec, we get Montana...we throw in Ottawa as a signing bonus....Canada doesn't have a spare Trillion.  
Re: the beavers comment...not going there, too many SJW pitfalls.  

Idaho and Montana for Quebec and southern Ontario. We'll throw in Vancouver for free.

You really Ottawa not joke about such things... 

I was gonna line up some more Canadian puns, but I can see they you're having Nunavut.

If I keep it up I'll have to find a new place Toronto.

Being of Nova Scotian heritage, I'm intrigued, eh. Hoser

[Gryphon Rider]

A trillion dollars?  Up here, we still budget in the billions.

How about this:  Alberta, Saskatchewan, Montana, and North Dakota form a new nation, without money changing hands.  Idaho, Manitoba, Wyoming, South Dakota, and Nebraska can negotiate joining later.  Baby steps.

[Beardo]

A trillion dollars?  Up here, we still budget in the billions.

How about this:  Alberta, Saskatchewan, Montana, and North Dakota form a new nation, without money changing hands.  Idaho, Manitoba, Wyoming, South Dakota, and Nebraska can negotiate joining later.  Baby steps.

Not bad at all.

Although...after getting to know the Valhalla group the last few years, BC isn't all hippy dippy granola munchers. Just draw a line around Vancouver and we'll take them too.

#MyCanadaIncludesMSB

[Gryphon Rider]

A trillion dollars?  Up here, we still budget in the billions.

How about this:  Alberta, Saskatchewan, Montana, and North Dakota form a new nation, without money changing hands.  Idaho, Manitoba, Wyoming, South Dakota, and Nebraska can negotiate joining later.  Baby steps.

Not bad at all.

Although...after getting to know the Valhalla group the last few years, BC isn't all hippy dippy granola munchers. Just draw a line around Vancouver and we'll take them too.

#MyCanadaIncludesMSB

No province (or state) is a monolith when it comes to the opinions and attitudes of the citizens (Alberta had a brain fart and elected an NDP government, for crying out loud!), but I'm not sure the bulk of BC's population is in the same headspace as Alberta and Saskatchewan.  The parts that are in the same time zone as Alberta are probably a good bet, though.  And maybe the Okanagan.

[msb]

A trillion dollars?  Up here, we still budget in the billions.

How about this:  Alberta, Saskatchewan, Montana, and North Dakota form a new nation, without money changing hands.  Idaho, Manitoba, Wyoming, South Dakota, and Nebraska can negotiate joining later.  Baby steps.

Not bad at all.

Although...after getting to know the Valhalla group the last few years, BC isn't all hippy dippy granola munchers. Just draw a line around Vancouver and we'll take them too.

#MyCanadaIncludesMSB

No province (or state) is a monolith when it comes to the opinions and attitudes of the citizens (Alberta had a brain fart and elected an NDP government, for crying out loud!), but I'm not sure the bulk of BC's population is in the same headspace as Alberta and Saskatchewan.  The parts that are in the same time zone as Alberta are probably a good bet, though.  And maybe the Okanagan.

GR....with all due respect ,as I consider you to be a well-informed fella , "A-ga-ssiz" (see what I did there, Serk? ) that your knowledge of BC'ers is somewhat limited...considering your statement about not being in the same head space as our friends from the Prairie provinces. Can't be further from the truth....aside  from the Greater Vancouver region and Vancouver Island, those of us that inhabit most other regions of this great Province are definitely more inline with you guys than opposed in that regard. As my young friend Beardo (WOW Jason...my very own hashtag...cool, Thx ), found out a couple of years ago once he started hanging out with us, not only do we have the best riding in all of Canada, many of us also still have our heads screwed on straight. Keep in mind that BC in whole actually VOTED FOR the much more conservative option in our last election...unlike our friends there in Alberta (btw...that was much bigger than a simple "brain fart" you all had ), who jumped in with both feet and gave Ms Notely that rousing endorsement of a Majority mandate. Only the unholy alliance of the NDP who actually LOST the election here and the several Green seats from the Island and Vancouver resulted in the slim Minority government they hold at this time.  Also, poll after poll shows that a majority of BC'ers SUPPORT a continued strong energy industry in general ...and the Alberta oilsands production and pipeline transport in particular...so there's that too.
So, I suggest you saddle up in June and make your way to Valhalla...it certainly should "Merritt" consideration on your part. Beardo can pick you up along the way. A couple of days riding our great roads including to and from Merritt on the glorious Hwy#6 and sharing a few shots of Fireball around the campfire in the evenings will definitely go a long way in helping you to see us in a much truer light I'm sure. Not only will you feel welcomed here, you'll be hard pressed to find anyone along your route (outside of maybe a few of those small hippie villages in the Kootenays) or in our group that disagrees with your frustrations regarding overly progressive politics or even anti-pipeline views. Hopefully we'll "BC-ing" you in June.

[hubcapsc]

I wish I was in this picture!



-Mike "Oh now! Now this thread's about Valkyries!  "

[Beardo]

I wish I was in this picture!



-Mike "Oh now! Now this thread's about Valkyries!  "

I am 

Btw, GR...I've made the mistake of making a similar comment to my buddy msb, he accurately pointed out my province's many decade history of voting NDP, home of the founder of the CCF, etc 

By all means, GR, you'd be welcome to join me...for the interesting half of the trip anyway...I don't think you'd want to keep me company for the other boring half.

[msb]

I wish I was in this picture!



-Mike "Oh now! Now this thread's about Valkyries!  "

Lol...that's exactly why I included these pics...I generally avoid commenting on  "political" posts here (although this one is pretty light-hearted at least), so I had to make it Valkyrie...and Valhalla-related.
I believe I've seen in some of your recent posts that you're recently retired? Sooo, with all that time on your hands now, you CAN be in that picture this year...Valhalla is in the same place as where this pic was taken.

[¿spoom]

I realize we're heading rapidly towards Civil War II, but I'll admit, I never thought it would be over Montana seceding.  

[Gryphon Rider]

Okay, I guess my view of BCers' political alignment is heavily influenced by my relatives who live there, and also by the fact that the best BC riding within reach of Calgary is in the Kootenay Lake / Arrow Lakes region, home of many "unconventional" (not sure if that's the best word) thinkers.

I'm not completely out to lunch thinking the SE and NE corners of BC and the Okanagan area are more conservative. (For our American friends, the BC Liberal party is actually the province's conservative party.  I have no idea how that came to be, and I'm okay with that.)


By DrRandomFactor - Own work, CC BY-SA 4.0, https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?curid=58704722

[Jess from VA]

No Montana.  But if New York and California aren't part of the plan, the deal's off.

And Canada has to build the wall, on our side of CA and NY.

[Rams]

No Montana.  But if New York and California aren't part of the plan, the deal's off.

And Canada has to build the wall, on our side of CA and NY.

Whoa there Bud!

California has been drawing from the other 49 states financially for a very long time.       Ya can't sell your car without paying it off to the lender.   I see no difference with CA.   Canada can buy them if they pay back all the money wasted there.   That would likely kill the deal.   Very few folks I know would care if CA left.   

Rams

[Jess from VA]

No Montana.  But if New York and California aren't part of the plan, the deal's off.

And Canada has to build the wall, on our side of CA and NY.

Whoa there Bud!

California has been drawing from the other 49 states financially for a very long time.       Ya can't sell your car without paying it off to the lender.   I see no difference with CA.   Canada can buy them if they pay back all the money wasted there.   That would likely kill the deal.   Very few folks I know would care if CA left.   

Rams

Hell Ron, it would be a month long party making Mardi Gras look like amateur hour. 

We don't need any money back.  It's time to cut our loses. 

[The emperor has no clothes]

California has been drawing from the other 49 states financially for a very long time.       
Rams

This gets spewed here about once a day it seems. It's BS. It's easy enough to look up for yourself if you truly care about facts.

[Serk]

California has been drawing from the other 49 states financially for a very long time.       
Rams

This gets spewed here about once a day it seems. It's BS. It's easy enough to look up for yourself if you truly care about facts.

As with most things, it depends on who's numbers you believe and other intangibles...

On RAW money, California is BARELY a donor state:

In January 2017, the California Legislative Analyst's Office said by several measures California is, indeed, a donor state, but just barely. It receives $0.99 in federal expenditures per dollar of taxes paid, which is below the national average return for states of $1.22 per dollar paid, according to its review of a 2015 New York Comptroller study.

Source: https://www.politifact.com/california/article/2017/feb/14/does-california-give-more-it-gets-dc/

But if you factor in all the harm they do by allowing in and protecting massive numbers of illegals, the harm they do by consistently voting for those who wish to destroy western civilization, really we as a nation would be much better off without them.

And, they would be happier too I think.

No one's happy when forced to remain in an unhappy relationship, it's time for California to just go it's own way.

(Or Texas, I'd be okay with that too, but I'd prefer to remove the cancer that is California (And New York) and save the overall goodness that is The United States of America from being dragged down with the failing states as they crash and burn.)

(And yes, I know there are still some decent, honest good people in those states, the divorce should be handled slowly, carefully and soberly, allowing those who want to escape plenty of time to do so, in either direction.)

[The emperor has no clothes]

California has been drawing from the other 49 states financially for a very long time.       
Rams

This gets spewed here about once a day it seems. It's BS. It's easy enough to look up for yourself if you truly care about facts.

As with most things, it depends on who's numbers you believe and other intangibles...

On RAW money, California is BARELY a donor state:

In January 2017, the California Legislative Analyst's Office said by several measures California is, indeed, a donor state, but just barely. It receives $0.99 in federal expenditures per dollar of taxes paid, which is below the national average return for states of $1.22 per dollar paid, according to its review of a 2015 New York Comptroller study.

Source: https://www.politifact.com/california/article/2017/feb/14/does-california-give-more-it-gets-dc/

But if you factor in all the harm they do by allowing in and protecting massive numbers of illegals, the harm they do by consistently voting for those who wish to destroy western civilization, really we as a nation would be much better off without them.

And, they would be happier too I think.

No one's happy when forced to remain in an unhappy relationship, it's time for California to just go it's own way.

(Or Texas, I'd be okay with that too, but I'd prefer to remove the cancer that is California (And New York) and save the overall goodness that is The United States of America from being dragged down with the failing states as they crash and burn.)

(And yes, I know there are still some decent, honest good people in those states, the divorce should be handled slowly, carefully and soberly, allowing those who want to escape plenty of time to do so, in either direction.)

I think that's what some in current power like to call "alternate facts" 

[Jess from VA]

Alternate is good, when true, like this time.

[The emperor has no clothes]

Alternate is good, when true, like this time.

What's true is California puts in financially what it gets out (or pretty close), unlike some states. If you disagree with their politics that is fine, but don't put out BS that they are financially draining the other states (like many southern states are)

[Rams]

Alternate is good, when true, like this time.

What's true is California puts in financially what it gets out (or pretty close), unlike some states. If you disagree with their politics that is fine, but don't put out BS that they are financially draining the other states (like many southern states are)

Their politics is the major reason they cost the rest of us a fortune.......   

Rams

[Jess from VA]

Alternate is good, when true, like this time.

What's true is California puts in financially what it gets out (or pretty close), unlike some states. If you disagree with their politics that is fine, but don't put out BS that they are financially draining the other states (like many southern states are)

Their politics is the major reason they cost the rest of us a fortune.......   

Rams

Which was exactly what the Serkman said... truthfully. 

It's not just money.  Not by a long shot.

[Beardo]

Alternate is good, when true, like this time.

What's true is California puts in financially what it gets out (or pretty close), unlike some states. If you disagree with their politics that is fine, but don't put out BS that they are financially draining the other states (like many southern states are)

Their politics is the major reason they cost the rest of us a fortune.......   

Rams

Which was exactly what the Serkman said... truthfully. 

It's not just money.  Not by a long shot.

Consider yourselves lucky. Quebec costs us both politically AND financially...we'll give them $13B next year as a reward for being a "have-not" province.  A lot of that money comes from western Canada directly from oil and gas revenues...which Quebec has the nerve to oppose and stand in the way of us building pipelines.

[Jess from VA]

It's pretty entertaining when you think about it.  150 years ago, we fought a war with 650-800K dead, to keep all the States in the union.  (and about a million horses and mules)

The next one could be about trying to throw some of the States out.  And the ones being thrown out probably wouldn't be inclined to fight much about it anyway.  (and the horses and mules are pretty safe)