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They probably have mine? I submitted to Ancestry and found out who all I was related to. No native american though. Not too many red headed Indians  |
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They probably have mine? I submitted to Ancestry and found out who all I was related to. No native american though. Not too many red headed Indians Did you have more Neanderthal than Serk ? |
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When I first saw those dna testing sites advertised my very first thought was-wait til the gubmint(s) git hold of this. Seen the stories on the "news" but my question is-how many are tracked down that do Not make "news" at 5 6 and 10? RIDE SAFE.
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Actually 46% German 41% England/wales 4% swede 3% French 2% Irish/Scottich 2% Baltic 2% Eastern Europe/Russian.
About what I expected.
Interesting part is that it shows little dots on a world map that have people with similar DNA
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You don't have to give the DNA testing service your real name if you'd like to see your info but not give away the farm.... Just sayin'...
Numbers rounded off, but if anyone cares, I'm 40% French/German, 35% British/Irish, 5% Scandinavian with a tiny trace of Ashkenazi Jewish, southern European, and Native American.
(With around 4% of my DNA being Neanderthal in origin.)
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Are we worried too much? I've been FBI background checked (fingerprinted) twice. Once for a CCW and again for a school bus license. If we have a CCW, it's on a police database. When we get stopped for any driving offense, the officer already knows you have a CCW. The military have DNA for battleground ID. A DNA database can be used to help or ID us for (whatever?) good or bad.
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I aint worried about it at all. Got nothing to hide and they are going to get real bored they want to follow me.
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I aint worried about it at all. Got nothing to hide and they are going to get real bored they want to follow me.
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I aint worried about it at all. Got nothing to hide and they are going to get real bored they want to follow me.
I wouldn't feel worried either. But, I wonder if I have extended family that should be worried ? I'm willing to give up that amount of personal data to find a rapist, a child molestor, a murderer. Yeah what if it went wrong and they collared you and said DNA proves it was you ? But you were innocent? A glitch in the computer system said it was your DNA and it was actually someone elses? Play with fire if you want. |
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Giving someone access to your DNA is more than just an identifying piece of information like a fingerprint.
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The amount of data that can be extracted from DNA today is mind boggling.... In the future it will be even more out there.
I don't want to live in a dystopian world where Big Brother know that level of detail about me, more than I know about myself even.
Analysis of your DNA can reveal such things as sexual orientation, odds of developing certain diseases, odds of developing certain mental illnesses, if you're likely to prefer your coffee black or with creamer, the breast size of females or of your, female offspring (Seriously, that's one I carry, had to apologize to my daughters for that one), etc. etc. etc....
WAY more information than anything as powerful as the government has any business knowing about it's subjects.
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It's a potential somewhat slippery slope IMHO, but it's not real slippery "yet".
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« Reply #15 on: February 22, 2019, 02:32:49 PM » |
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Seems like it could be a form of self incrimination in some cases. i.e 5th amendment issues.
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Giving someone access to your DNA is more than just an identifying piece of information like a fingerprint.
WAY more...
The amount of data that can be extracted from DNA today is mind boggling.... In the future it will be even more out there.
I don't want to live in a dystopian world where Big Brother know that level of detail about me, more than I know about myself even.
Analysis of your DNA can reveal such things as sexual orientation, odds of developing certain diseases, odds of developing certain mental illnesses, if you're likely to prefer your coffee black or with creamer, the breast size of females or of your, female offspring (Seriously, that's one I carry, had to apologize to my daughters for that one), etc. etc. etc....
WAY more information than anything as powerful as the government has any business knowing about it's subjects.
Having read your posts over the years, I feel I’ve got to understand your thinking a little. I believe you are not 100% libertarian. There surely is point that the greater good of society outweighs the individual. I just haven’t figured it out for you. Personally, I would feel proud if my DNA was able to help find a rapist, or child molestor. |
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« Reply #17 on: February 22, 2019, 02:57:20 PM » |
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Giving someone access to your DNA is more than just an identifying piece of information like a fingerprint.
WAY more...
The amount of data that can be extracted from DNA today is mind boggling.... In the future it will be even more out there.
I don't want to live in a dystopian world where Big Brother know that level of detail about me, more than I know about myself even.
Analysis of your DNA can reveal such things as sexual orientation, odds of developing certain diseases, odds of developing certain mental illnesses, if you're likely to prefer your coffee black or with creamer, the breast size of females or of your, female offspring (Seriously, that's one I carry, had to apologize to my daughters for that one), etc. etc. etc....
WAY more information than anything as powerful as the government has any business knowing about it's subjects.
Having read your posts over the years, I feel I’ve got to understand your thinking a little. I believe you are not 100% libertarian. There surely is point that the greater good of society outweighs the individual. I just haven’t figured it out for you. Personally, I would feel proud if my DNA was able to help find a rapist, or child molestor. I'm not a true Libertarian brand libertarian, I'm more of a minarchist if it comes right down to it. In an ideal world I'd be a vuluntaryist, but I realize that ideal world is almost as likely to occur as one that socialism works in. If the DNA thing was as simple as personal identification like a finger print that'd be a different issue, but you're really giving them your entire medical history, your past, your present, your future, what you MIGHT become, the kind of data actuaries can do truly terrifying things with, and that power in the hands of Big Brother I absolutely do not trust.  |
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Seems like it could be a form of self incrimination in some cases. i.e 5th amendment issues.
No sir. The 5th Amend is a testamentary protection. You cannot be forced to speak against yourself, or at all. (although it can be done with grants of use or transactional immunity) They have long been able to to take pictures, fingerprints, fingernail scrapings, hair, urine, blood, bite pattern (physical evidence) with no 5th Amend violation. However, there would be other problems if they wanted to force the whole population to line up for blood/DNA testing for a national database. Or put in a chip in our heads. If they want those, they better come armed. |
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Giving someone access to your DNA is more than just an identifying piece of information like a fingerprint.
WAY more...
The amount of data that can be extracted from DNA today is mind boggling.... In the future it will be even more out there.
I don't want to live in a dystopian world where Big Brother know that level of detail about me, more than I know about myself even.
Analysis of your DNA can reveal such things as sexual orientation, odds of developing certain diseases, odds of developing certain mental illnesses, if you're likely to prefer your coffee black or with creamer, the breast size of females or of your, female offspring (Seriously, that's one I carry, had to apologize to my daughters for that one), etc. etc. etc....
WAY more information than anything as powerful as the government has any business knowing about it's subjects.
Having read your posts over the years, I feel I’ve got to understand your thinking a little. I believe you are not 100% libertarian. There surely is point that the greater good of society outweighs the individual. I just haven’t figured it out for you. Personally, I would feel proud if my DNA was able to help find a rapist, or child molestor. Again Rob you are unfreaking believable in your thinking.  |
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Seems like it could be a form of self incrimination in some cases. i.e 5th amendment issues.
No sir. The 5th Amend is a testamentary protection. You cannot be forced to speak against yourself, or at all. (although it can be done with grants of use or transactional immunity) They have long been able to to take pictures, fingerprints, fingernail scrapings, hair, urine, blood, bite pattern (physical evidence) with no 5th Amend violation. However, there would be other problems if they wanted to force the whole population to line up for blood/DNA testing for a national database. Or put in a chip in our heads. If they want those, they better come armed. I have long thought that to touch and take something that is attached to a person without permission is in fact a violation of personal rights and SHOULD be (and is) illegal and considered assault and punishable by ....... Just my 2 cents worth, I realize I may be in the minority, but that does not make me wrong. And if civilization and government think I am wrong, they have my permission to kiss my a$$ and that is all. I am aware that governments do not think so, they should be taught better. |
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Seems like it could be a form of self incrimination in some cases. i.e 5th amendment issues.
No sir. The 5th Amend is a testamentary protection. You cannot be forced to speak against yourself, or at all. (although it can be done with grants of use or transactional immunity) They have long been able to to take pictures, fingerprints, fingernail scrapings, hair, urine, blood, bite pattern (physical evidence) with no 5th Amend violation. However, there would be other problems if they wanted to force the whole population to line up for blood/DNA testing for a national database. Or put in a chip in our heads. If they want those, they better come armed. And all these companies saying they will protect your privacy. All BS. If you willingly give your DNA I have no sympathy for charges brought. IMHO willingly giving/paying for a DNA profile to find out who/where your ancestors are from is about stupid. |
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A friend of mine from childhood, started a company that uses means way over my head for DNA testing, His company, Cybergenetics, has identified many who perished in the Twin Towers on 9-11 as well as he has testified for and against in criminal cases all around the world. One of the smartest people I know and a real good guy. Here is a link https://www.cybgen.com/information/presentations/2017/AAFS/Perlin-Watson-Hampikian-When-DNA-alone-is-not-enough-exoneration-by-computer-interpretation/page.shtmlI graduated with the 2nd class at Cardozo School of Law where the innocence project was started. |
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I have no problem with the use of available dna to identify someone who has committed a serious crime. Accurately identifying a criminal by dna is not significantly different than using a picture but is more accurate. I have no problem with suspects who are under arrest or criminals who have been convicted having their dna extracted by authorities.
I have no real problem with having my dna publicly available. I don't plan to conceal my identity after committing rape, murder, or other serious crime.
I'm sure there are uses for dna that have not yet been made known. I'll have a problem if they begin to use dna to identify people who may become criminals and eliminate them.
For several purposes fingerprints are taken. Mine have been many times. I see extraction of dna as a normal progression of that practice.
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No sir. The 5th Amend is a testamentary protection. You cannot be forced to speak against yourself, or at all. (although it can be done with grants of use or transactional immunity) They have long been able to to take pictures, fingerprints, fingernail scrapings, hair, urine, blood, bite pattern (physical evidence) with no 5th Amend violation. However, there would be other problems if they wanted to force the whole population to line up for blood/DNA testing for a national database. Or put in a chip in our heads. If they want those, they better come armed. And all these companies saying they will protect your privacy. All BS. If you willingly give your DNA I have no sympathy for charges brought. IMHO willingly giving/paying for a DNA profile to find out who/where your ancestors are from is about stupid. You can call me stupid if you want. Does not bother me at all. We can all have our opinions. That is the great thing about this country. I do not respond to verbal things, but if you or anyone lays a hand on me you will pay. |
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No sir. The 5th Amend is a testamentary protection. You cannot be forced to speak against yourself, or at all. (although it can be done with grants of use or transactional immunity) They have long been able to to take pictures, fingerprints, fingernail scrapings, hair, urine, blood, bite pattern (physical evidence) with no 5th Amend violation. However, there would be other problems if they wanted to force the whole population to line up for blood/DNA testing for a national database. Or put in a chip in our heads. If they want those, they better come armed. And all these companies saying they will protect your privacy. All BS. If you willingly give your DNA I have no sympathy for charges brought. IMHO willingly giving/paying for a DNA profile to find out who/where your ancestors are from is about stupid. You can call me stupid if you want. Does not bother me at all. We can all have our opinions. That is the great thing about this country. I do not respond to verbal things, but if you or anyone lays a hand on me you will pay. Wizzard Inwasnt aiming that at you personally but why one would pay to have their DNA put in a national database is beyond me. BTW I wouldn’t lay hands on anyone without provocation. |
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Seems like it could be a form of self incrimination in some cases. i.e 5th amendment issues.
No sir. The 5th Amend is a testamentary protection. You cannot be forced to speak against yourself, or at all. (although it can be done with grants of use or transactional immunity) They have long been able to to take pictures, fingerprints, fingernail scrapings, hair, urine, blood, bite pattern (physical evidence) with no 5th Amend violation. However, there would be other problems if they wanted to force the whole population to line up for blood/DNA testing for a national database. Or put in a chip in our heads. If they want those, they better come armed. And all these companies saying they will protect your privacy. All BS. If you willingly give your DNA I have no sympathy for charges brought. IMHO willingly giving/paying for a DNA profile to find out who/where your ancestors are from is about stupid. You can call me stupid if you want. Does not bother me at all. We can all have our opinions. That is the great thing about this country. I do not respond to verbal things, but if you or anyone lays a hand on me you will pay. Wizzard Inwasnt aiming that at you personally but why one would pay to have their DNA put in a national database is beyond me. BTW I wouldn’t lay hands on anyone without provocation. oh but you did,, you said ANYONE, That includes me and anyone else that did it. You may not understand it but that does not make it stupid. I could make an attempt to tell you my justification for it but it wont make any difference. You already have your mind made up. |
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Take it the way you want. I see it as senseless. No offense intended to you or anyone who willing pays to have their DNA put in a national data base.
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Giving someone access to your DNA is more than just an identifying piece of information like a fingerprint.
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The amount of data that can be extracted from DNA today is mind boggling.... In the future it will be even more out there.
I don't want to live in a dystopian world where Big Brother know that level of detail about me, more than I know about myself even.
Analysis of your DNA can reveal such things as sexual orientation, odds of developing certain diseases, odds of developing certain mental illnesses, if you're likely to prefer your coffee black or with creamer, the breast size of females or of your, female offspring (Seriously, that's one I carry, had to apologize to my daughters for that one), etc. etc. etc....
WAY more information than anything as powerful as the government has any business knowing about it's subjects.
Having read your posts over the years, I feel I’ve got to understand your thinking a little. I believe you are not 100% libertarian. There surely is point that the greater good of society outweighs the individual. I just haven’t figured it out for you. Personally, I would feel proud if my DNA was able to help find a rapist, or child molestor. So what pray tell is your definition of a libertarian? Judging from your posts, I see that you both like and trust big government and rather enjoy countless legislation and people control, but the founding fathers most certainly did not.  I'm for sure a moderate, but far from a conservative, I am pretty centrist and most certainly lean libertarian.......AKA moderate libertarian. Truth is....there is many nefarious things going on at capital hill, and it's been going on for quite some time. |
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Interesting here on a mostly conservative board that many see and dont trust the government. Would trust the government with DNA information that came from a company that told many their DNA was private not shared with anyone. The fact that the DNA data itself is being stored by the ancestry company, government agencies and , who the founder of Google is ex husband with the founder of one such company and gave a significant amount of money to start the site. Some say the idea was founded by Google also.With Google having worldwide data banks I'm sure they would not violate privacy concerns. That like everything else your browsing history is known, your DNA is known, your driving habits with license plate readers is known, your pay is known, taxes known, buying habits is getting there. With 5G it will be possible to have every transaction approved for you and cash will be a thing in the past. IF Fienstien, Pelosi, Comey dont like you maybe they can just turn your ability to buy and sell off. What if you apply for health insurance and they find in your DNA a inherited trait and share this information with the insurance company. They lied about your information being private, why would they not lie to see the traits in your DNA and if the government goes to single payer, well that would be interesting now wouldn't it. Maybe taxes by the mile that was already proposed and maybe based on annual income? Do you really think in processing your DNA that they would only look at your ancestors? https://www.sciencenews.org/article/health-dna-genetic-testing-diseaseEager to find more relatives, Diamond, now 42, a professional genealogist in Baltimore, decided to try out all the companies that offer geneaological DNA testing to see what else she could learn. Results from one of them, 23andMe, hit her with an entirely different kind of life-changing knowledge: a high risk for breast cancer. They have your ss#,DNA,picture,address,license plate,cars,gun ownership,wages,overseas travel (that they can cut off if you owe back taxes)local travel, purchasing history and it will one day all be linked into a profile called you. We are truly a free people, NOT. Fire and government both have something in common they never say enough and once started will consume everything they can. |
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