Left or right?

[f6john]

I saw this on Facebook and I make no remarks other than I found it interesting.



I will need to do some more reading to see what the context is for the verse.

[Jess from VA]

Don't let the lefties know about this quote; otherwise they may not like the Bible.   

[The emperor has no clothes]

Ecclesiastes 7.21
"Do not take to heart all the things that people say, lest you hear your servant cursing you. 22 Your heart knows that many times you yourself have cursed others."



There are many quotes in the Bible. Turning them against others seems foolish to me. (But I'm just a simple butcher)

[Chrisj CMA]

John, thanks for posting this.  I have heard this before but never found the occasion to study it.  I believe the reference here to liberals is unfair if you apply it personally, but not far off in policy.

See I believe the fool that inclines to the left is the same sort of fool talked about in Psalm 14:1  (the fool says in his heart there is no God)  From Ecclesiastics 10-2 my Bible references Matthew 25:33 Where at the end Jesus will separate the Sheep to his right and the goats (fools) to his left.  The goats being those that say there is no god.

See in context to this verse, if applied to a political liberal they would not be a fool because they are a Democrat necessarily but a fool if they said there is no God.  So, that's why it's not fair to apply this to all liberals.  I believe there are some liberals that are true Christians so even though I would call some of their liberal thinking foolish, its not what this verse is talking about. However, if you think about it many policies/initiatives on the left seem to be anti God more so than on the right, so if that is the context for comparison than it makes more sense.

[Serk]

I wanted to start jogging for exercise but then I read Proverbs 28:1

"The wicked run when no one is chasing them."

[Serk]

...and one of these days I'll learn to take the wise advice found in Job 13:5

"If only you would be altogether silent! For you, that would be wisdom."

[Chrisj CMA]

...and one of these days I'll learn to take the wise advice found in Job 13:5

"If only you would be altogether silent! For you, that would be wisdom."

Serk as far as quoting scripture you really should take to heart the verse in Job.  You look foolish using scripture to make fun of Gods Word.  That one really does apply to you.  Be Wise

[Serk]

...and one of these days I'll learn to take the wise advice found in Job 13:5

"If only you would be altogether silent! For you, that would be wisdom."

Serk as far as quoting scripture you really should take to heart the verse in Job.  You look foolish using scripture to make fun of Gods Word.  That one really does apply to you.  Be Wise

For what it's worth the intent wasn't to make fun of, it was to have fun with...

Subtle but important difference...

[Willow]

I wanted to start jogging for exercise but then I read Proverbs 28:1

"The wicked run when no one is chasing them." 

It's so fortunate that you found that in time so you didn't do damage to yourself.

As to the original question, over time the right side has always been preferred as more people are right handed than are left handed.  Salutes and hand shakes are done with the right hand as it was assumed that would be the weapon hand.  I think it's likely the liberal or progressive political side was originally assigned the label of left leaning by their opposition.

   Also the right wing is not called such referring to a direction from the body but in the sense that they are the correct (right) position.   

[f6john]

I was pretty sure from the outset that the verse was not an expression of political wisdom but anything that causes me to stop and question the Bible and it’s particular meaning for my life is usually a worthwhile endeavor. Using the Bible to try and make political points is not a good idea in my mind, it has a much higher purpose.

[Davemn]

I may be mistaken (happened once in 1998) but wouldn’t Jesus be considered a Liberal?
BTW, I am a moderate Republican but just trying to be fair (or maybe trying to rile you guys up ).

[Chrisj CMA]

I may be mistaken (happened once in 1998) but wouldn’t Jesus be considered a Liberal?
BTW, I am a moderate Republican but just trying to be fair (or maybe trying to rile you guys up ).

What has defined a liberal as a liberal has evolved much just over the last decade or two.  No Jesus would not participate in most of what liberals of today hold dear.  But if you JUST use love for all and caring for your neighbor as the definition of a liberal (which is terribly inaccurate today) than maybe, but whats the point in that?

[Serk]

I may be mistaken (happened once in 1998) but wouldn’t Jesus be considered a Liberal?
BTW, I am a moderate Republican but just trying to be fair (or maybe trying to rile you guys up ).

Greater minds than mine have argued that point on both sides, but IMHO there is a world of difference between "Help those who need help" and "Put a gun to your neighbors head and force them to help those who you deem need help, if they want to or not."

[Davemn]

I don’t know what guns have to do with it other than there are many gun nuts on this board. Let’s not include all liberals with the nutty ones we see on the news every night. The media loves them.
I think I might break out the Valkyrie today. Finally starting to look like spring today.

[Moonshot_1]

I don’t know what guns have to do with it other than there are many gun nuts on this board. Let’s not include all liberals with the nutty ones we see on the news every night. The media loves them.
I think I might break out the Valkyrie today. Finally starting to look like spring today.

On the point of "what guns have to do with it".

This is in the context of the government creating policy. Government creates a policy that is opposed by the masses. The Government has a number of options to make the masses comply. Ultimately the option of compliance at gunpoint is used against those who continue to oppose the government.

Branch Davidians FBI fiasco at Waco, Texas a case in point.

That is what guns have to do with it.

[f6john]

I may be mistaken (happened once in 1998) but wouldn’t Jesus be considered a Liberal?
BTW, I am a moderate Republican but just trying to be fair (or maybe trying to rile you guys up ).

Jesus has been considered a lot of things during His time on earth and since. I’m of the opinion that the label liberal now only means what the people adopting it say it is, which can be anything that suits them at the time. I would not use the term liberal to describe Jesus in any shape or form.

[The emperor has no clothes]

I may be mistaken (happened once in 1998) but wouldn’t Jesus be considered a Liberal?
BTW, I am a moderate Republican but just trying to be fair (or maybe trying to rile you guys up ).

Jesus has been considered a lot of things during His time on earth and since. I’m of the opinion that the label liberal now only means what the people adopting it say it is, which can be anything that suits them at the time. I would not use the term liberal to describe Jesus in any shape or form.

Personally, I doubt Jesus would be considered a "liberal" or a "conservative" in the way the terms are used nowadays. But, this guy makes some pretty compelling arguments for him being a liberal.
https://www.seacoastonline.com/news/20171022/like-it-or-not-jesus-was-liberal

[Davemn]

I don’t know what guns have to do with it other than there are many gun nuts on this board. Let’s not include all liberals with the nutty ones we see on the news every night. The media loves them.
I think I might break out the Valkyrie today. Finally starting to look like spring today.

On the point of "what guns have to do with it".

This is in the context of the government creating policy. Government creates a policy that is opposed by the masses. The Government has a number of options to make the masses comply. Ultimately the option of compliance at gunpoint is used against those who continue to oppose the government.

Branch Davidians FBI fiasco at Waco, Texas a case in point.

That is what guns have to do with it.

Of  all the things to worry about today the one thing I don’t worry about is having “the government “ try to take my guns away either by force or through policy. But I am not a NRA member nor do I believe in their mission. I am guessing you are. I could be wrong. Let er rip!

[Serk]

Oh all the things to worry about today the one thing I don’t worry about is having “the government “ try to take my guns away either by force or through policy. But I am not a NRA member nor do I believe in their mission. Maybe that’s why I’m not worrying about it. Let er rip!

You missed the point entirely, it had nothing to do with the 2nd amendment, quite the opposite actually.

All government rules, laws, regulations, taxes etc are, ultimately enforced at the end of a gun. All of them.

Anything the government does is ultimately backed up by the threat of violence.

Government is violence, at its core.

[Moonshot_1]

I don’t know what guns have to do with it other than there are many gun nuts on this board. Let’s not include all liberals with the nutty ones we see on the news every night. The media loves them.
I think I might break out the Valkyrie today. Finally starting to look like spring today.

On the point of "what guns have to do with it".

This is in the context of the government creating policy. Government creates a policy that is opposed by the masses. The Government has a number of options to make the masses comply. Ultimately the option of compliance at gunpoint is used against those who continue to oppose the government.

Branch Davidians FBI fiasco at Waco, Texas a case in point.

That is what guns have to do with it.

Of  all the things to worry about today the one thing I don’t worry about is having “the government “ try to take my guns away either by force or through policy. But I am not a NRA member nor do I believe in their mission. I am guessing you are. I could be wrong. Let er rip!

One should worry about the Government doing a lot of things adversely affecting those they govern.

[Willow]

... Using the Bible to try and make political points is not a good idea in my mind, it has a much higher purpose.

I would agree with you on the wisdom of not using the Bible to make political points to others, especially nonbelievers.

However, if we are serious about our Christianity the words of the Bible should directly speak to our own political views.  Actually they should speak to everything we think or do in all our lives.  I'm confident that we agree on that.

I only mention that because I heard once a man who was supposed to be a Christian leader say, "My Christianity doesn't speak to my politics."  I lost a lot of respect for his opinions that day.

[f6john]

... Using the Bible to try and make political points is not a good idea in my mind, it has a much higher purpose.

I would agree with you on the wisdom of not using the Bible to make political points to others, especially nonbelievers.

However, if we are serious about our Christianity the words of the Bible should directly speak to our own political views.  Actually they should speak to everything we think or do in all our lives.  I'm confident that we agree on that.

I only mention that because I heard once a man who was supposed to be a Christian leader say, "My Christianity doesn't speak to my politics."  I lost a lot of respect for his opinions that day.

We are in complete agreement.

[Bighead]

I don’t know what guns have to do with it other than there are many gun nuts on this board. Let’s not include all liberals with the nutty ones we see on the news every night. The media loves them.
I think I might break out the Valkyrie today. Finally starting to look like spring today.

Define a gun Nut!   Liberals (not all) think owning a gun is nuts.

[Robert]

Psa 118:16  The strong right arm of the LORD is raised in triumph. The strong right arm of the LORD has done glorious things!

Isa_44:10  Who but a fool would make his own god—an idol that cannot help him one bit?

Gen_48:13  Then he positioned the boys in front of Jacob. With his right hand he directed Ephraim toward Jacob’s left hand, and with his left hand he put Manasseh at Jacob’s right hand.
Gen_48:14  But Jacob crossed his arms as he reached out to lay his hands on the boys’ heads. He put his right hand on the head of Ephraim, though he was the younger boy, and his left hand on the head of Manasseh, though he was the firstborn.

The right is the strong arm and the one used for blessing.

Isa 41:13  For I hold you by your right hand—I, the LORD your God. And I say to you, ‘Don’t be afraid. I am here to help you.

Luk 20:42  For David himself wrote in the book of Psalms: ‘The LORD said to my Lord, Sit in the place of honor at my right hand

When Aaron and his sons performed animal sacrifices, God instructed them “you shall kill the ram and take part of its blood and put it on the tip of the right ear of Aaron and on the tips of the right ears of his sons, and on the thumbs of their right hands and on the great toes of their right feet, and throw the rest of the blood against the sides of the altar” (Ex 29:20)

in the right hand of him who was seated on the throne a scroll written within and on the back, sealed with seven seals” (Rev 5:1), and having taken “the scroll from the right hand of him who was seated on the throne” (Rev 5:7), He held the “scroll open in his hand. And he set his right foot on the sea” (Rev 10:2), and “In his right hand he held seven stars, from his mouth came a sharp two-edged sword, and his face was like the sun shining in full strength” (Rev 1:16) of which the stars represented the seven churches. The right hand and the right foot both symbolize sovereignty and authority.

 The Latin word for “left handed” means, sinister.

We take so many things for granted that have a basis in truth.

It was the thief on the right hand side of Jesus that went with Jesus to heaven. It was the thief on the left side that cursed Jesus.

Coincidence? Sometimes the truth is in front of your nose. 

I wonder what it must have been like to see and touch God, yet many did not know it by external appearance.