Not all Cops are created equal

[The emperor has no clothes]

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/pregnant-woman-disorderly-conduct-son-pees-parking-lot-205717658.html

Thankfully most police officers have common sense, compassion, and humanity. I think if I was this guy's supervisor I'd be having a little discussion with him as to whether this profession is really for him.

[Jess from VA]

Given the photo, one wonders if the report of public penis was true.  Not that that is the real (ticketed) issue.  I've peed in a couple places I shouldn't have (emergency), but I've made damn sure my junk is not visible.

On the other had, mom ought to consider wearing real pants.

I'd have let it slide (and kept driving).

[Pete]

Police are charged to enforce the law - he did.
Let the judge decide.

Unless he was rude or insulting, I do not see a problem here with the officer.
As for the lady, let the son pee in his pants or the floor board of the car and clean it up.

Based on her comments/actions I would prefer she not get........................again.

[Willow]

It's a rather biased one sided news clip based upon an irate Yahoo post.  Please don't assume it is the whole truth.

Based upon the defensive, offensive, comments of the adult I can believe she was not polite and cooperative with the police officer.  She was within easy walking distance of a restroom, for Pete's sake.   Speaking of Pete I agree with him.  The law is the law.  Honestly she may have gotten away with a stern warning had her attitude and behavior been different.  We just don't know.

Fortunately no one is posting on Yahoo about or judging the decisions of butchers.   

[The emperor has no clothes]

It's a rather biased one sided news clip based upon an irate Yahoo post.  Please don't assume it is the whole truth.

Based upon the defensive, offensive, comments of the adult I can believe she was not polite and cooperative with the police officer.  She was within easy walking distance of a restroom, for Pete's sake.   Speaking of Pete I agree with him.  The law is the law.  Honestly she may have gotten away with a stern warning had her attitude and behavior been different.  We just don't know.

Fortunately no one is posting on Yahoo about or judging the decisions of butchers.   

maybe I will send in a story 

[Skinhead]

Had they been in SFCA all would be good.

[MarkT]

Had they been in SFCA all would be good.

Been to SF a number of times when I used to work for a tech company HQ'd in Oakland.  Some would be shocked to learn they do a lot more with penises in public then let little boys urinate.  And folks look the other way.

[3fan4life]

It seems that police all over the country are cracking down on toddlers relieving themselves in public:


https://www.naturalnews.com/037902_children_bathroom_citation.html#

[f6john]

Now where did I leave that stick meme?

[MAD6Gun]

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/pregnant-woman-disorderly-conduct-son-pees-parking-lot-205717658.html

Thankfully most police officers have common sense, compassion, and humanity. I think if I was this guy's supervisor I'd be having a little discussion with him as to whether this profession is really for him.

 So you're saying this cop needs to quit for doing his job? Did she break the law. Yes. Was it unavoidable. Yep sounds like it was. BUT the cop was doing his job enforcing the law. Could he have had more compassion for the mom?  Possibly but I wasn't there and neither were you. She could have been a real bitch towards the cop and that is why he gave her the ticket. We are only getting one side of the story,hers.

[The emperor has no clothes]

It seems that police all over the country are cracking down on toddlers relieving themselves in public:


https://www.naturalnews.com/037902_children_bathroom_citation.html#

"Apparently, this officer's crack police training led him to conclude that, someday, little Dillan would commit the crime of public urination, and he'd be there to stop it, while earning the city a nice tidy fine.

It makes you wonder what other real crimes are going unnoticed - and unpunished - if this is what Piedmont Police officers do with their time on the job."

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/pregnant-woman-disorderly-conduct-son-pees-parking-lot-205717658.html

Thankfully most police officers have common sense, compassion, and humanity. I think if I was this guy's supervisor I'd be having a little discussion with him as to whether this profession is really for him.

 So you're saying this cop needs to quit for doing his job? Did she break the law. Yes. Was it unavoidable. Yep sounds like it was. BUT the cop was doing his job enforcing the law. Could he have had more compassion for the mom?  Possibly but I wasn't there and neither were you. She could have been a real bitch towards the cop and that is why he gave her the ticket. We are only getting one side of the story,hers.

What I'm saying is cops make (or should make) common sense decisions every day. This cop seems to lack that ability. If I were his supervisor (I'm sure everyone is glad I'm not), I would have a serious talk with him about his decision making. He could have handled it a hundred different ways, all being better. You are correct, I wasn't there. But we did get his side of the story in a sense. It was to issue a ticket for a 3 year old peeing. If the lady was a bitch as you suggest, I'm sure cops are trained to handle that. I imagine they get treated pretty shitty everyday. Most don't take it out by issuing tickets for toddlers urinating. 

[Willow]

What I'm saying is cops make (or should make) common sense decisions every day. This cop seems to lack that ability. ... You are correct, I wasn't there. But we did get his side of the story in a sense. It was to issue a ticket for a 3 year old peeing. ... I imagine they get treated pretty shitty everyday. Most don't take it out by issuing tickets for toddlers urinating. 

Once more if you are deriving your info from a one sided article with an axe to grind you are highly uninformed.

Common sense -  I've found the term is usually applied to what the speaker (or typer) thinks should have been done.  Often that's an untrained or inexperienced speaker.  I personally believe that common sense is a myth invented by folks who wanted to feel somehow superior to Albert Einstein.

Early in the story the pregnant (Oh no!  Not again!) mother said she was having a hard time potty training her three year old.  Potty training her three year old?  She lost my sympathy right there.

Policemen are trained to be polite and respectful even beyond what the advocates of common sense might expect.  However I am willing to assure you that if you get snotty with a policeman after he has politely informed you of your violation you will most likely get a ticket.  He approached her and nicely told her that she needed to take the boy to the bathroom rather than helping him piss in a public parking lot.  She got rude.

Here are a few excerpts from the piece to help you understand from where I drew my opinion.      

Unfortunately, the incident caught the attention of a Richmond County Deputy who approached Johns and told her that she needed to take her child to the bathroom.

"... yes I got rude but I didn’t get rude until after I was accused numerous times of showing my sons penis which was impossible. "

[Rams]

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/pregnant-woman-disorderly-conduct-son-pees-parking-lot-205717658.html

Thankfully most police officers have common sense, compassion, and humanity. I think if I was this guy's supervisor I'd be having a little discussion with him as to whether this profession is really for him.

Had similar thoughts the last time I got a speeding ticket.  The LEO had no sense of humor.   He did not think 22 mph over the posted speed limited was necessary nor funny.   Told him I was close to home and really needed to go pee..  I got a ticket anyway.  It is, what it is. 

I complained to my friend (the Sheriff).   He did not think it was funny either.   

Rams

[The emperor has no clothes]

What I'm saying is cops make (or should make) common sense decisions every day. This cop seems to lack that ability. ... You are correct, I wasn't there. But we did get his side of the story in a sense. It was to issue a ticket for a 3 year old peeing. ... I imagine they get treated pretty shitty everyday. Most don't take it out by issuing tickets for toddlers urinating. 

Once more if you are deriving your info from a one sided article with an axe to grind you are highly uninformed.

Common sense -  I've found the term is usually applied to what the speaker (or typer) thinks should have been done.  Often that's an untrained or inexperienced speaker.  I personally believe that common sense is a myth invented by folks who wanted to feel somehow superior to Albert Einstein.

Early in the story the pregnant (Oh no!  Not again!) mother said she was having a hard time potty training her three year old.  Potty training her three year old?  She lost my sympathy right there.

Policemen are trained to be polite and respectful even beyond what the advocates of common sense might expect.  However I am willing to assure you that if you get snotty with a policeman after he has politely informed you of your violation you will most likely get a ticket.  He approached her and nicely told her that she needed to take the boy to the bathroom rather than helping him piss in a public parking lot.  She got rude.

Here are a few excerpts from the piece to help you understand from where I drew my opinion.      

Unfortunately, the incident caught the attention of a Richmond County Deputy who approached Johns and told her that she needed to take her child to the bathroom.

"... yes I got rude but I didn’t get rude until after I was accused numerous times of showing my sons penis which was impossible. "

You seem to be very selective with your quotes. Here is the exchange as reported :
"Unfortunately, the incident caught the attention of a Richmond County Deputy who approached Johns and told her that she needed to take her child to the bathroom.

“Accidents happen,” Johns said. “What if I would have ran in the bathroom and someone had been in there? What I was going to let him do? Pee on the floor of the gas station?”

The deputy responded by simply handing Johns a ticket and citing her with a disorderly conduct"

That response to the cop's instruction to her to take the child inside didn't seem rude at all. His response to her by simply handing her a ticket seemed condescending. It evidently was later that she got pissy (pun intended) with him about him saying she repeatedly showed her son's genitals.
 I'm curious as to your snarkiness of her having 3 children ? As I remember you have many more than that. A little judgemental on your part that you are capable and worthy of raising children and she is not ? As to a 3 year old not thinking about peeing until it is too late, many kids do that. When my son was 5 he was so ingrossed in playing air hockey he didn't make an attempt to go the bathroom until it was too late. Half way there he peed his pants. Had nothing to do with his potty training. Kids don't always make wise decisions. Hell, even some old men don't make very wise decisions.  

[Jess from VA]

Arguing about whether this should have been a ticket at all is one thing.

Arguing about what was said in the exchange is a waste of time, we don't know almost anything about the full exchange.  And likely never will.

[¿spoom]

A ticket isn't a conviction. Folks need to lighten up. Not all butchers are created equal, either, but I won't start googling meat relabeling incidents just to push a button. That stick was obviously a poop-stirrer.

[The emperor has no clothes]

Arguing about whether this should have been a ticket at all is one thing.

Arguing about what was said in the exchange is a waste of time, we don't know almost anything about the full exchange.  And likely never will.

Agreed.

[The emperor has no clothes]

A ticket isn't a conviction. Folks need to lighten up. Not all butchers are created equal, either, but I won't start googling meat relabeling incidents just to push a button. That stick was obviously a poop-stirrer.

as of yet I have not recieved any citations at work. (But I have another year to go) 

[gordonv]

A $1000 fine for public urination? Now THAT there is the real crime.

We give a $167 fine for distracted driving (and points, which can cost you when buying your insurance).

[Willow]

You seem to be very selective with your quotes. Here is the exchange as reported :
"Unfortunately, the incident caught the attention of a Richmond County Deputy who approached Johns and told her that she needed to take her child to the bathroom.

“Accidents happen,” Johns said. “What if I would have ran in the bathroom and someone had been in there? What I was going to let him do? Pee on the floor of the gas station?”

The deputy responded by simply handing Johns a ticket and citing her with a disorderly conduct"

That response to the cop's instruction to her to take the child inside didn't seem rude at all. His response to her by simply handing her a ticket seemed condescending. It evidently was later that she got pissy (pun intended) with him about him saying she repeatedly showed her son's genitals.
 I'm curious as to your snarkiness of her having 3 children ? As I remember you have many more than that. A little judgemental on your part that you are capable and worthy of raising children and she is not ? As to a 3 year old not thinking about peeing until it is too late, many kids do that. When my son was 5 he was so ingrossed in playing air hockey he didn't make an attempt to go the bathroom until it was too late. Half way there he peed his pants. Had nothing to do with his potty training. Kids don't always make wise decisions. Hell, even some old men don't make very wise decisions.  

Rob, you haven't bothered to read well.  The quote that began with "What was I to do?" was not what she said to the deputy.  It was what she said to the author of the article.

Trouble potty training a three year old was her description, not mine.

My snarkiness of her having too many children had to do with how unprepared she seemed to be at mothering (potty training a three year old?).

As to my being judgemental that is a really odd accusation from you considering your original post.   

[The emperor has no clothes]

Jess is right. We will likely never know what was said exactly. And the point of the post was whether the cop used common sense. (Regardless of your beliefs in it).
 At the risk of beating a dead horse. I assume you were paraphrasing when you quoted "what was I to do ?" Would not the sentence after what she said "The deputy responded by simply handing Johns a ticket and citing her with disorderly conduct" mean that the deputy responded to her statements, not that the lady was talking to the reporter ?
 Getting a 3 year old to understand that going pee before getting in the car for a trip could be construed as part of "potty training".



IS THE HORSE DEAD YET ? 

[Bighead]

Law is the law.  When written it didnt say urinating in public is as against the law except for children. No matter how you feel it is tha law. If I were the LEO would I have looked the other way? Yes probably but he enforced  the law period.

[Jess from VA]

If cops wrote every violation they saw, to the letter of the law, every possible time, they would be poor policeman, and lose significant popular public support.  Of course they have discretion in a case like this, or any number of similar cases.  I seriously doubt he would have been punished, if he had been observed by his lieutenant letting it go (with or without talking to her about it).  

Maybe he walked over there intent to give a ticket no matter what.

Or maybe he walked over there to get a better idea of what was going on, and question the mother.   Maybe he didn't decide to write it until (as Carl noted earlier) he saw the boy was 3 and (very) late to be potty training, and decided it best to nip this public behavior in the bud.  Or maybe the mother was rude or abusive, or maybe she questioned his judgment in even making any issue about it at all, in which case, sometimes the safest thing for an officer to do (to protect himself) is to go ahead and write the ticket (in advance of some threatened or possible risk of a complaint against him) (like asking for a badge number).  This last one happens more than you think (and is probably part of academy training).

As the article is written, I don't like the ticket (and it was written to make you not like it).  But I wasn't there.  And I'd like to read the officer's report before I made up my mind.  

However, in any event, $1000 bucks is a miscarriage of justice and downright confiscatory in nature.

People who turn in front of us, causing us to grab brakes, sweat life and limb and surf our bikes on the pavement don't get $1000 tickets.  

  

[Skinhead]

Mother was cited fr disorderly conduct, fine for DC is up to $1000 (I assume it could be less, depending on judges discretion).  Mother was responsible for child's conduct and did not urinate in public.  Child did urinate in public (probably a fine lower than $1000, no fine in SFCA).  Officer can't cite a 3 yo.  Mother got rude when officer attempted to do his duty, perhaps the fine and citation was for the mother's CONDUCT, not the child's micturating (for you Big Labowski fans) in public.  Perhaps that parking lot really tied the gas station together.

[Pete]

The HORSE was dead before YOU started this thread.

[Hooter]

Thank you Jess!,  and Willow is right. Fostering an opinion to a one sided rant by an irate person is taking sides without the full story. I personally like all the information before making a decision about something. Prosecuting attorneys (attorneys in general)  like it that way. Without full information cases are dropped- dismissed or never even make it to court.

[phideux]

What I'm saying is cops make (or should make) common sense decisions every day. This cop seems to lack that ability. ... You are correct, I wasn't there. But we did get his side of the story in a sense. It was to issue a ticket for a 3 year old peeing. ... I imagine they get treated pretty shitty everyday. Most don't take it out by issuing tickets for toddlers urinating. 

Once more if you are deriving your info from a one sided article with an axe to grind you are highly uninformed.

Common sense -  I've found the term is usually applied to what the speaker (or typer) thinks should have been done.  Often that's an untrained or inexperienced speaker.  I personally believe that common sense is a myth invented by folks who wanted to feel somehow superior to Albert Einstein.

Early in the story the pregnant (Oh no!  Not again!) mother said she was having a hard time potty training her three year old.  Potty training her three year old?  She lost my sympathy right there.

Policemen are trained to be polite and respectful even beyond what the advocates of common sense might expect.  However I am willing to assure you that if you get snotty with a policeman after he has politely informed you of your violation you will most likely get a ticket.  He approached her and nicely told her that she needed to take the boy to the bathroom rather than helping him piss in a public parking lot.  She got rude.

Here are a few excerpts from the piece to help you understand from where I drew my opinion.      

Unfortunately, the incident caught the attention of a Richmond County Deputy who approached Johns and told her that she needed to take her child to the bathroom.

"... yes I got rude but I didn’t get rude until after I was accused numerous times of showing my sons penis which was impossible. "

You seem to be very selective with your quotes. Here is the exchange as reported :
"Unfortunately, the incident caught the attention of a Richmond County Deputy who approached Johns and told her that she needed to take her child to the bathroom.

“Accidents happen,” Johns said. “What if I would have ran in the bathroom and someone had been in there? What I was going to let him do? Pee on the floor of the gas station?”

The deputy responded by simply handing Johns a ticket and citing her with a disorderly conduct"

That response to the cop's instruction to her to take the child inside didn't seem rude at all. His response to her by simply handing her a ticket seemed condescending. It evidently was later that she got pissy (pun intended) with him about him saying she repeatedly showed her son's genitals.
 I'm curious as to your snarkiness of her having 3 children ? As I remember you have many more than that. A little judgemental on your part that you are capable and worthy of raising children and she is not ? As to a 3 year old not thinking about peeing until it is too late, many kids do that. When my son was 5 he was so ingrossed in playing air hockey he didn't make an attempt to go the bathroom until it was too late. Half way there he peed his pants. Had nothing to do with his potty training. Kids don't always make wise decisions. Hell, even some old men don't make very wise decisions.  

That "exchange as reported" is a condensation of the facts. I'll bet you a paycheck that there was more than a 2-3 sentence back and forth, before the cop just whipped out and handed her a ticket.
Do you think he had a pre-filled out ticket just waiting to be used to hand to her??
Before he can hand her a ticket like that he needs to get identification from her, verify that ID, run a records check for warrants, and write up the ticket. A several minutes long process, the kid was well past peeing and I'm sure there was several minutes of conversation before he even walked back to his car and started the process. It was a very one sided article and she herself stated she was rude. I'll guarantee, with the right attitude, she could have gotten off without a ticket.
A couple of things I learned working public service.
The more punctuation marks you have in your name, the greater the chance of encounters with public service folks.
The tighter the yoga pants, stretched over the larger the derriere, the bigger the attitude.
The quicker the Narcan works, the more they deny doing dope.